Racing w/ 20 other people online>>> Crash damage

[QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"][QUOTE="SupraGT"]

Who cares if there isn't any crash damage. Forza still limits you to 8 players per race. Look at it this way, w/o crash damage more players are now feasable to race w/ each other. Imagine a room filled w/ 19 others to race against which would make racing online more exciting w/ well, just 7 other players.
Online in GT5 will be a blast.

SupraGT

I was going to say that 20 player online is way too hectic and the best driver doesn't aways win, but without damage it doesn't really matter, especially when someone uses your car to help them get around a corner, you might be in a gravel trap or hit a wall, but a least your cars performance is still the same.

so now more people online is all of a sudden bad according to the lemming. :roll: I bet if it was the other way around, you guys will be claiming ownage. I still fail to see how using a car around a turn will be different from forza.

More people online is 'all of a sudden' bad, for certain games I prefer the numbers we have already.

Just like 40 players on Resistance maybe quite good fun, that many on Rainbow would be a camp fest. When full damage is on in Forza2, you don't want 20 racers. If some idiot comes screaming intothe firstcorner and knocks you into a sandtrap, your race is over. That happens now, but with 20 people, the game would be a nightmare and I doubt it would be enjoyable to people who love racing. Grid positions would be a bit unfair as well without qualifying.

We'll see though, as far as I can tell, you picked 20 out of the air anyway, more than your usual 6 would be a better thing to wish for.

The funniest thing to me is the dev saying 'we might add it later' combined with 'we would have to re-write the whole engine'.

Seems to me that DP saw Forza 2, wet themselves a little, and went on the PR damage control wagon.

Actually, having thought about it the funniest thing is the people believing they might actually add it after. Rofl.

The funniest thing to me is the dev saying 'we might add it later' combined with 'we would have to re-write the whole engine'.

Seems to me that DP saw Forza 2, wet themselves a little, and went on the PR damage control wagon.

Actually, having thought about it the funniest thing is the people believing they might actually add it after. Rofl.

Stonin

I disagree. If GT5 does in fact, not have crash damage, then I'd rather have damage. Racing without it no matter how many people is completely unrealistic. If it does have crash damage, then ok, it will be better....of course, it hasn't come out and yet and probably will not for at least another 2 years. So meanwhile, I'll be playing "inferior" Forza, but at least I'll be playing.whoisryanmack

burnout revenge's crash damage was realistic

forza's is anything but

[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]I disagree. If GT5 does in fact, not have crash damage, then I'd rather have damage. Racing without it no matter how many people is completely unrealistic. If it does have crash damage, then ok, it will be better....of course, it hasn't come out and yet and probably will not for at least another 2 years. So meanwhile, I'll be playing "inferior" Forza, but at least I'll be playing.mestizoman

burnout revenge's crash damage was realistic

forza's is anything but

As I already explained, on the cosmetic side of things, Forza's isn't that realistic. The way it affects your car's performance and handling is.

[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]I disagree. If GT5 does in fact, not have crash damage, then I'd rather have damage. Racing without it no matter how many people is completely unrealistic. If it does have crash damage, then ok, it will be better....of course, it hasn't come out and yet and probably will not for at least another 2 years. So meanwhile, I'll be playing "inferior" Forza, but at least I'll be playing.mestizoman

burnout revenge's crash damage was realistic

forza's is anything but

A classic case of 'I forgot to play the game before shooting my mouth off about it on SW'.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Since when has GT5 been confirmed to have 20 players online?

The_Game21x

I'm still waiting on a response to this. ^^

they didnt confirm it yet, but dont be surpriesed if you see it. It was a thing that they mentioned, just like car interiors. Damage is a whole different aspect so don't say "just like damage"

[QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"][QUOTE="SupraGT"]

Who cares if there isn't any crash damage. Forza still limits you to 8 players per race. Look at it this way, w/o crash damage more players are now feasable to race w/ each other. Imagine a room filled w/ 19 others to race against which would make racing online more exciting w/ well, just 7 other players.
Online in GT5 will be a blast.

SgtWhiskeyjack

I was going to say that 20 player online is way too hectic and the best driver doesn't aways win, but without damage it doesn't really matter, especially when someone uses your car to help them get around a corner, you might be in a gravel trap or hit a wall, but a least your cars performance is still the same.

so now more people online is all of a sudden bad according to the lemming. :roll: I bet if it was the other way around, you guys will be claiming ownage. I still fail to see how using a car around a turn will be different from forza.

More people online is 'all of a sudden' bad, for certain games I prefer the numbers we have already.

Just like 40 players on Resistance maybe quite good fun, that many on Rainbow would be a camp fest. When full damage is on in Forza2, you don't want 20 racers. If some idiot comes screaming intothe firstcorner and knocks you into a sandtrap, your race is over. That happens now, but with 20 people, the game would be a nightmare and I doubt it would be enjoyable to people who love racing. Grid positions would be a bit unfair as well without qualifying.

We'll see though, as far as I can tell, you picked 20 out of the air anyway, more than your usual 6 would be a better thing to wish for.

20 compared to 8 will be the same aspect with crashing around corners. they only difference is that more people will be taken out. Maybe the same percentage as there would be w/ 8 ppl. It's a dead argument. 20>8. There wouldn't be any damage anyways. And GT has what forza doesn't, running starts further preventing pileups on the first corner.

Who cares if there isn't any crash damage. Forza still limits you to 8 players per race. Look at it this way, w/o crash damage more players are now feasable to race w/ each other. Imagine a room filled w/ 19 others to race against which would make racing online more exciting w/ well, just 7 other players.
Online in GT5 will be a blast.

SupraGT

[QUOTE="CAlNlAC"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="CAlNlAC"]That may be true. Forza's damage model may not be 100% true to life but it is miles ahead of what the GT series has offered, which is none. -Renegade

i don't get how you lemmings are trying to compare the next generation of forza to the gt series when we have yet to see the next generation of the gt series released on playstation yet.

Wait.....who started this thread? A cow or lem?

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Since when has GT5 been confirmed to have 20 players online?

SupraGT

I'm still waiting on a response to this. ^^

they didnt confirm it yet, but dont be surpriesed if you see it. It was a thing that they mentioned, just like car interiors. Damage is a whole different aspect so don't say "just like damage"

So wait a minute, let me get this straight. You're basing this thread on, and claiming ownage about something that mightbe true?

Wow...just...wow. :|

[QUOTE="rappid_rabbit"][QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Come back to me when 18 of the other players decide to use you as a bumper on corners and deliberately smash into you. It's not funny and would happen almost every race.

Online racing must have severe penalties for those who like to go bumper car racing otherwise it becomes unplayable.

SupraGT

and again, who said GT5 will have bumper car physics? they can still achieve realistic collision physics w/o the damage. And I can't even count the # of times i was taken out in forza b/c of a bad drive and yet, there is no penalty. So is forza unplayable?

How do you get "realistic collision physics" without damage? Thats just an oxymoron.

How is that an oxymoron? Collision physics is when you collide with another object. Action Reaction. I'm sure you studied that in HS physics.:|

Currently in GT games a car is propelled BACKWARDS after colliding with an object...

so, what natural force is that, exactly...since you're the physics major...;)

[QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Since when has GT5 been confirmed to have 20 players online?

The_Game21x

I'm still waiting on a response to this. ^^

they didnt confirm it yet, but dont be surpriesed if you see it. It was a thing that they mentioned, just like car interiors. Damage is a whole different aspect so don't say "just like damage"

So wait a minute, let me get this straight. You're basing this thread on, and claiming ownage about something that mightbe true?

Wow...just...wow. :|

That's all cows have.

Cows absolutely hate Forza2 being AAA

Gears of War with 8 people >>>>> RFOM with 40 people. Your thread is garbage. You want me to sum this thread up real quick and easy for you?

Car damage is last gen :|

20 Players racing is awesome no denying that but not having car damage is like having an incomplete racing game no matter how you cut it.

[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]You can attempt to finish, although you will be limping in last....or restart, which is the cheap way out, but i do it anyway!Dualshockin

[QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Since when has GT5 been confirmed to have 20 players online?

The_Game21x

I'm still waiting on a response to this. ^^

they didnt confirm it yet, but dont be surpriesed if you see it. It was a thing that they mentioned, just like car interiors. Damage is a whole different aspect so don't say "just like damage"

So wait a minute, let me get this straight. You're basing this thread on, and claiming ownage about something that mightbe true?

Wow...just...wow. :|

Oh the desperation lol

without damage physics, there is no reason not to ram someone in a corner forcing them off track when your losing... instead of real life racing when your most concerned with not wrecking your car so you can actually complete the race. Without the mental fear of crashing or punishment for pushing the car beyond the limits of traction or driver ability it simply isnt racing.... its bumper cars.

[QUOTE="mentzer"][QUOTE="SupraGT"]

Who cares if there isn't any crash damage. Forza still limits you to 8 players per race. Look at it this way, w/o crash damage more players are now feasable to race w/ each other. Imagine a room filled w/ 19 others to race against which would make racing online more exciting w/ well, just 7 other players.
Online in GT5 will be a blast.

SupraGT

Even with bumper car physics???

If so I'll pass.

um, who said GT5 will have bumper car physics? no damage doesn't= bumper car.

Who cares if there isn't any crash damage. Forza still limits you to 8 players per race. Look at it this way, w/o crash damage more players are now feasable to race w/ each other. Imagine a room filled w/ 19 others to race against which would make racing online more exciting w/ well, just 7 other players.
Online in GT5 will be a blast.

SupraGT

Why not half the number of people in game and put minimal car damage in the game? 10 > 8 after all. Win win.

I agree,if Polyphony can pull off 15-20 racers online,then GT5 will be a revolution. Regarding the crash damage,the thing that makes me chuckle is there are people who actually claim Forza 2's crash damage is realistic. When you drive into a wall at over 100MPH,in the real world,your car will probably be done for. In Forza,your bumper falls off.Dualshockin

O Rly? I'd prefer DiRT-style damage with 4-player races than damage-free races with 16 players.

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]I agree,if Polyphony can pull off 15-20 racers online,then GT5 will be a revolution. Regarding the crash damage,the thing that makes me chuckle is there are people who actually claim Forza 2's crash damage is realistic. When you drive into a wall at over 100MPH,in the real world,your car will probably be done for. In Forza,your bumper falls off.UnnDunn

Don't mind him. He's just another GT fanboy that thinks he knows everything about Forza 2 based on what he's seen at a "Friend's house". :roll:

Your bumper does not just fall off duelshockin. Actually play the games you bash. In GT, you can slam into a wall at 100mph and bounce off, completely unaffected, and even go on to win the race. Do that in Forza, you've totalled your car and you're out. Hit the wall at just 50, and you'll cripple your suspension or do bad things to your gear box, making the rest of the race much more difficult.

Your bumper does not just fall off duelshockin. Actually play the games you bash. In GT, you can slam into a wall at 100mph and bounce off, completely unaffected, and even go on to win the race. Do that in Forza, you've totalled your car and you're out. Hit the wall at just 50, and you'll cripple your suspension or do bad things to your gear box, making the rest of the race much more difficult.

Ninja-Vox

Dualshockin is not known for basing his claims on personal experience...

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

Your bumper does not just fall off duelshockin. Actually play the games you bash. In GT, you can slam into a wall at 100mph and bounce off, completely unaffected, and even go on to win the race. Do that in Forza, you've totalled your car and you're out. Hit the wall at just 50, and you'll cripple your suspension or do bad things to your gear box, making the rest of the race much more difficult.

Choga

Dualshockin is not known for basing his claims on personal experience...

I just found it comical how he said its unrealistic as you cant hit a wall at 100mph and keep going; EXACTLY. That's EXACTLY what the game does; crash badly and you're out of there. Usually fanboys try to make it look at least a little like they've actually played the game they're bashing.

[QUOTE="Choga"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

Your bumper does not just fall off duelshockin. Actually play the games you bash. In GT, you can slam into a wall at 100mph and bounce off, completely unaffected, and even go on to win the race. Do that in Forza, you've totalled your car and you're out. Hit the wall at just 50, and you'll cripple your suspension or do bad things to your gear box, making the rest of the race much more difficult.

Ninja-Vox

Dualshockin is not known for basing his claims on personal experience...

I just found it comical how he said its unrealistic as you cant hit a wall at 100mph and keep going; EXACTLY. That's EXACTLY what the game does; crash badly and you're out of there. Usually fanboys try to make it look at least a little like they've actually played the game they're bashing.

AHAHAHA he got self-owned. I love it :lol:

[QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Since when has GT5 been confirmed to have 20 players online?

The_Game21x

I'm still waiting on a response to this. ^^

they didnt confirm it yet, but dont be surpriesed if you see it. It was a thing that they mentioned, just like car interiors. Damage is a whole different aspect so don't say "just like damage"

So wait a minute, let me get this straight. You're basing this thread on, and claiming ownage about something that mightbe true?

Wow...just...wow. :|

Hey now, don't give up all hope. After all, they DID say GT5 would possibly have car damage in it. And look how that turned out.

Oh wait. Whoops.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="SupraGT"]

they didnt confirm it yet, but dont be surpriesed if you see it. It was a thing that they mentioned, just like car interiors. Damage is a whole different aspect so don't say "just like damage"

AcidTWister

So wait a minute, let me get this straight. You're basing this thread on, and claiming ownage about something that mightbe true?

Wow...just...wow. :|

Hey now, don't give up all hope. After all, they DID say GT5 would possibly have car damage in it. And look how that turned out.

Oh wait. Whoops.

:lol:

Well, we'll soon see. :wink:

and again, who said GT5 will have bumper car physics? they can still achieve realistic collision physics w/o the damage. And I can't even count the # of times i was taken out in forza b/c of a bad drive and yet, there is no penalty. So is forza unplayable?

SupraGT

Thing is, no damage means you can use the other car as a bumper, no matter how good the physics are.

And if you're hit so badly as to get you out of the track, and you were racing decently, I can take that at least the spoilers and the brakes of your opponent will not longer be functional. He ain't winning no races.

If you got taken out and there's no damage... well, you're playing a glimpse of what GT5 will be.

[QUOTE="no_submission"]I am a Sony fan but I am extremely disappointed by this "no damage" news, I might actually buy a 360 just for Forza 2.Dualshockin

damage control at its finest :roll:

was that the best asnwer you could come up with? so just because he hasn't spent as much time here on GS means his opinions aren't worth anything?

pathetic response, try again...

i see the gt fanboys treat this as all or nothing. damage has to the 100% realistic to real life or there should be no damage at all. what a naive notion. you don't take that same approach with gun damage in games(one shot doesn't take you out in most games), realism in graphics(we're not 100% realistic so why don't we stay as cartoons for all games?), damage to buildings and object in games(we can't break everything so lets not break anything). so why take the all or nothing approach to racing?Ontain

Great post that was completely overlooked. It shows how completely nonsensical the arguments of GT fanboys are. Trying to claim that having no damage makes GT closer to a racing sim boggles my mind with how idiotic that idea is.

The self ownage in this thread is legendary.

Who cares if there isn't any crash damage. Forza still limits you to 8 players per race. Look at it this way, w/o crash damage more players are now feasable to race w/ each other. Imagine a room filled w/ 19 others to race against which would make racing online more exciting w/ well, just 7 other players.
Online in GT5 will be a blast.

SupraGT

[QUOTE="SupraGT"]

Who cares if there isn't any crash damage. Forza still limits you to 8 players per race. Look at it this way, w/o crash damage more players are now feasable to race w/ each other. Imagine a room filled w/ 19 others to race against which would make racing online more exciting w/ well, just 7 other players.
Online in GT5 will be a blast.

planbfreak4eva

:lol: This post right here is hilarious!

I'm guessing you have no idea what an "accident" is. See, these accidents tend to happen, yes, even in Sumulations. If a game is a true racing simulation, it should truly simulate what happens when you crash into something. In GT, there is no damage, and thus, simulates nothing when it comes to crashes. Forza does. It may not be entirely realistic, but at leastit's there, and is significantly better than the lack of damage modeling in GT.

I agree,if Polyphony can pull off 15-20 racers online,then GT5 will be a revolution. Regarding the crash damage,the thing that makes me chuckle is there are people who actually claim Forza 2's crash damage is realistic. When you drive into a wall at over 100MPH,in the real world,your car will probably be done for. In Forza,your bumper falls off.Dualshockin

HOw would more people make a revolution? It wouldn't what it will make after a few months is lots of half fully servers (with about say 8 ppl in them) or long waits in lobbys only to play in a full laggy server.

[QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Since when has GT5 been confirmed to have 20 players online?

The_Game21x

I'm still waiting on a response to this. ^^

they didnt confirm it yet, but dont be surpriesed if you see it. It was a thing that they mentioned, just like car interiors. Damage is a whole different aspect so don't say "just like damage"

So wait a minute, let me get this straight. You're basing this thread on, and claiming ownage about something that mightbe true?

Wow...just...wow. :|

it's not "might" be true, but will most likely be true. GT4 already has online on the PS2 in japan. It's just moving forward from there. RFOM has 40 and runs smooth. GT5 will have 20 cars and run smooth. I guess you lemmings are jealous that PS3 has a better online service.

[QUOTE="SupraGT"]

and again, who said GT5 will have bumper car physics? they can still achieve realistic collision physics w/o the damage. And I can't even count the # of times i was taken out in forza b/c of a bad drive and yet, there is no penalty. So is forza unplayable?

Grive

Thing is, no damage means you can use the other car as a bumper, no matter how good the physics are.

And if you're hit so badly as to get you out of the track, and you were racing decently, I can take that at least the spoilers and the brakes of your opponent will not longer be functional. He ain't winning no races.

If you got taken out and there's no damage... well, you're playing a glimpse of what GT5 will be.

It just turns into a game of catch up from there on out. At least I wont go out in vein by some crappy driver who never deserved to be in front of me in the first place. They'll probably keep on messing up around turns while I go ahead and pass them. Let's not forget about the people that you are about to relap who try to take you out. They need to have an option to turn that map off.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Since when has GT5 been confirmed to have 20 players online?

SupraGT

I'm still waiting on a response to this. ^^

they didnt confirm it yet, but dont be surpriesed if you see it. It was a thing that they mentioned, just like car interiors. Damage is a whole different aspect so don't say "just like damage"

So wait a minute, let me get this straight. You're basing this thread on, and claiming ownage about something that mightbe true?

Wow...just...wow. :|

it's not "might" be true, but will most likely be true. GT4 already has online on the PS2 in japan. It's just moving forward from there. RFOM has 40 and runs smooth. GT5 will have 20 cars and run smooth. I guess you lemmings are jealous that PS3 has a better online service.

A better online service will not make up for inferior games. As has been said, with no damage, a race between 20, 40, 200 people will be no more realistic or fun than a race with 3. Besides, what do I care if there are 6 people behind me, or 19?

[QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Since when has GT5 been confirmed to have 20 players online?

whoisryanmack

I'm still waiting on a response to this. ^^

they didnt confirm it yet, but dont be surpriesed if you see it. It was a thing that they mentioned, just like car interiors. Damage is a whole different aspect so don't say "just like damage"

So wait a minute, let me get this straight. You're basing this thread on, and claiming ownage about something that mightbe true?

Wow...just...wow. :|

it's not "might" be true, but will most likely be true. GT4 already has online on the PS2 in japan. It's just moving forward from there. RFOM has 40 and runs smooth. GT5 will have 20 cars and run smooth. I guess you lemmings are jealous that PS3 has a better online service.

A better online service will not make up for inferior games. As has been said, with no damage, a race between 20, 40, 200 people will be no more realistic or fun than a race with 3. Besides, what do I care if there are 6 people behind me, or 19?

or 6 people infront of you.

The racing field will feel more realistic and less shallow. It will feel like you are actually apart of JGTC which are cars that are interesting to drive in GT4. The only interesting classes in forza are A and B class. Sometimes C. More cars=more intensity.

[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"][QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Since when has GT5 been confirmed to have 20 players online?

SupraGT

I'm still waiting on a response to this. ^^

they didnt confirm it yet, but dont be surpriesed if you see it. It was a thing that they mentioned, just like car interiors. Damage is a whole different aspect so don't say "just like damage"

So wait a minute, let me get this straight. You're basing this thread on, and claiming ownage about something that mightbe true?

Wow...just...wow. :|

it's not "might" be true, but will most likely be true. GT4 already has online on the PS2 in japan. It's just moving forward from there. RFOM has 40 and runs smooth. GT5 will have 20 cars and run smooth. I guess you lemmings are jealous that PS3 has a better online service.

A better online service will not make up for inferior games. As has been said, with no damage, a race between 20, 40, 200 people will be no more realistic or fun than a race with 3. Besides, what do I care if there are 6 people behind me, or 19?

or 6 people infront of you.

The racing field will feel more realistic and less shallow. It will feel like you are actually apart of JGTC which are cars that are interesting to drive in GT4. The only interesting classes in forza are A and B class. Sometimes C. More cars=more intensity.

But why would the racing be intense when the strategy that wins has nothing to do with racing? Bouncing off others thru corners and at braking zones will become standard fare...which needless to say is not JGTC racing of any sort. Also, there are JGTC cars available to race in Forza. Classes R4, R3,R2,and R1 are all spec series cars of different types. Each manufacturer that fields a real team has at least 1 of each, and most have up to 5-10 just like GT4. You also forgot S class (supercars) and U class (modded supercars, or limited hypercars). There is much more to Forza than some of you would like to believe I see.

I don't know why Polyphony won't implement the crashes. I mean you can have realistic damage and crashes without showing them visualy. Just implement the physics and damage results without visual effects. So when you crash you end the race, even if your car looks brand new. It's not perfect, but still beats no damage

take a look at this NetKar PRO vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXaFQncm2gg

netkar pro is quite likely THE most realistic racing sim ever made, it physics make Forza2 play like an arcade in comparision, it's even a LOT better than GTR2. And it has great damage/crash model. It even simulates drivers injuries. But it was a game bassicaly made by one guy and he doesn't have the resources to make visual damages, so the game just doesn't show the flying parts, broken metal etc. No matter what the crash is, the car stays perfectly fine visualy, but the game simulates the damage it had recieved with physics.

[QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"][QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Since when has GT5 been confirmed to have 20 players online?

whoisryanmack

I'm still waiting on a response to this. ^^

they didnt confirm it yet, but dont be surpriesed if you see it. It was a thing that they mentioned, just like car interiors. Damage is a whole different aspect so don't say "just like damage"

So wait a minute, let me get this straight. You're basing this thread on, and claiming ownage about something that mightbe true?

Wow...just...wow. :|

it's not "might" be true, but will most likely be true. GT4 already has online on the PS2 in japan. It's just moving forward from there. RFOM has 40 and runs smooth. GT5 will have 20 cars and run smooth. I guess you lemmings are jealous that PS3 has a better online service.

A better online service will not make up for inferior games. As has been said, with no damage, a race between 20, 40, 200 people will be no more realistic or fun than a race with 3. Besides, what do I care if there are 6 people behind me, or 19?

or 6 people infront of you.

The racing field will feel more realistic and less shallow. It will feel like you are actually apart of JGTC which are cars that are interesting to drive in GT4. The only interesting classes in forza are A and B class. Sometimes C. More cars=more intensity.

But why would the racing be intense when the strategy that wins has nothing to do with racing? Bouncing off others thru corners and at braking zones will become standard fare...which needless to say is not JGTC racing of any sort. Also, there are JGTC cars available to race in Forza. Classes R4, R3,R2,and R1 are all spec series cars of different types. Each manufacturer that fields a real team has at least 1 of each, and most have up to 5-10 just like GT4. You also forgot S class (supercars) and U class (modded supercars, or limited hypercars). There is much more to Forza than some of you would like to believe I see.

Racing=/= crashing into each other on purpose. And with collision physics I'm sure people will want to avoid that. This wont be GT4. No one races in those classes onlineanyways.

[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"][QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"][QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Since when has GT5 been confirmed to have 20 players online?

SupraGT

I'm still waiting on a response to this. ^^

they didnt confirm it yet, but dont be surpriesed if you see it. It was a thing that they mentioned, just like car interiors. Damage is a whole different aspect so don't say "just like damage"

So wait a minute, let me get this straight. You're basing this thread on, and claiming ownage about something that mightbe true?

Wow...just...wow. :|

it's not "might" be true, but will most likely be true. GT4 already has online on the PS2 in japan. It's just moving forward from there. RFOM has 40 and runs smooth. GT5 will have 20 cars and run smooth. I guess you lemmings are jealous that PS3 has a better online service.

A better online service will not make up for inferior games. As has been said, with no damage, a race between 20, 40, 200 people will be no more realistic or fun than a race with 3. Besides, what do I care if there are 6 people behind me, or 19?

or 6 people infront of you.

The racing field will feel more realistic and less shallow. It will feel like you are actually apart of JGTC which are cars that are interesting to drive in GT4. The only interesting classes in forza are A and B class. Sometimes C. More cars=more intensity.

But why would the racing be intense when the strategy that wins has nothing to do with racing? Bouncing off others thru corners and at braking zones will become standard fare...which needless to say is not JGTC racing of any sort. Also, there are JGTC cars available to race in Forza. Classes R4, R3,R2,and R1 are all spec series cars of different types. Each manufacturer that fields a real team has at least 1 of each, and most have up to 5-10 just like GT4. You also forgot S class (supercars) and U class (modded supercars, or limited hypercars). There is much more to Forza than some of you would like to believe I see.

Racing=/= crashing into each other on purpose. And with collision physics I'm sure people will want to avoid that. This wont be GT4. No one races in those classes onlineanyways.

Exactly, racing does not equal crashing in other people on purpose. Forza mimics that quite well by penalizing you for doing so, both making your lap slower, and by damaging your car to the extent of the crash. So, you actually have to run quality lines, and plan passes and braking points accordingly.

GT with no damage however, will encourage this tactic. I've played all 4 GT's to death, and I know that if you're in a pinch to win, using another car as a bumper is an effective tool because of the way the cars react to each other. You actually gain a cornering or braking advantage by using that tactic. What's to stop people from using it? Nothing, and rest assured they will exploit the advantage....likely to the point that GT5 racing will be nothing like real racing in any way. It will become a cheat contest.