Radeon VII reveal burries the hopes for trully High-end Next-gen consoles.

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/amd_s_radeon_vii_supports_directml_-_an_alternative_to_dlss/1

AMD confirms Radeon VII to support DirectML (DirectX's machine learning API), MS's DirectX ML API alternative to Nvidia's DLSS technology

@loco145: Doesn't it compete with the 2080?

@loco145:

Xbox one x costed me 349€ on black friday (but normal price is 499€).

Its a full system with case. Psu. Water vapor cooling. Cpu. Gpu. Ram. Hdd. 4k disk drive. Bluethooth and wifi motherboard.

I imagine ps5 and xbox scarllet december 2020 for 500 price each or even 400.

They both will be better than one x obviously.

But what specs? We can only guess.

Id say this being the first 7nm amd gpu that in 2 years they will release better and more refined gpu's. For now we are all guessing and making bets.

Not every one has a PC capable of 60fps in all games using at least console settings.

So saying PC can do both is not accurate.

Keyword is "can", though. I know not all PCs are the same, or as powerful as, say, Bassman's with 2080 Tis. But I know my PC blows current gen consoles out of the water.

I should have added "for the right price" on my original message anyway.

To continue VII's support for hardware accelerated (Rapid Pack Math for octa rate INT4, quad rate INT8, double rate INT16/FP16) DirectML subject

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/directx/2018/10/02/directx-raytracing-and-the-windows-10-october-2018-update/

To quote Microsoft

ML techniques such as denoising and super-resolution will allow hardware to achieve impressive raytraced effects with fewer rays per pixel. We expect DirectML to play a large role in making raytracing more mainstream.

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And some PC games have 30fps caps that even modders can't get rid of :P

I expect ray tracing to be fully supported and usable in the real world on next generation consoles.

Although I would prefer them to work on Voxel based stuff first as a nice middle ground as Voxel based reflections also offer reflections for objects not in screen space just like Ray Tracing does.

If VII has accelerated support for DirectML (raytracing denoise pass), then VII is like Volta in terms of hardware support features.

http://cgicoffee.com/blog/2018/03/what-is-nvidia-rtx-directx-dxr

To speed up ray tracing, the amount rays are reduced.

The result needs to be de-noised.

De-noised applied.

Radeon-Rays 2.0 already supports BVH search tree raytacing processing via compute units.

Luckily, those are few and far between.

Back into the real world its 2019 and nobody cares about PC graphics.

Nope

Consoles are nothing more than budget computers with custom front-ends.

It makes sense that the latest consoles should use hardware that was bleeding edge 2-3 years ago.

No one wants to pay $1000+ for a computer that can only do gaming and multimedia.

Consoles can get more millage out of the lower-end hardware too because the custom front-ends require less resources than a generic OS.

What makes you think PC gamers give a dam about graphics to start with? most games on PC that are massively popularize are not graphical demanding games but still push high end systems to the brink to the point even highest end of pc gamers upgrade just for those games.

Then why would any PC gamer want a game be designed even high end pc gamers around a 2080 gtx? or any high end card? so he can play games at 1080p barely 30 fps with medium settings?

Have you followed the RTX debacle even remotely and what a backslash that created in the PC community?

All the 12 tflops are pushed on every game on PC, there is no limiter or anything. 30/60 fps are all pathetic for high end gamers they sit at 100+ fps at the absolute bare minimum if not 200 fps and then start to move resolution upwards and settings to the point it doesn't effect there framerates.

You are constantly looking at PC through console eyes. Sorry but 30 fps and 4k with mid settings in console ports that no PC gamer gives a dam about is beyond idiotic for PC gaming and you are doing it completely wrong at this point.

Both of my PCs will blow away any next gen console.

PC doesn't dictate graphics and it's been that way for a while. Unless it's a PC exclusive meant to push the platform forget about it. At the end of the day fancy PC hardware only ups resolution, better AA, shadows, SSR among other effects to console games. It is for this reason that PC will also receive a boost when next gen consoles are released.

Par for the course. Brand new consoles are always a generation behind the best PC hardware, and the gap only gets wider.

Turing has dedicated silicon for that. Is rather a mayor point of the whole architecture. And the main point is, it took AMD $700, 300W and 7nm to reach what Nvidia did in 16nm 3 years ago. Is rather disappointing.

Consoles are always going to be far behind spec wise due to price and energy restrictions. 10 tf is about the best next gen consoles can bring.

PC doesn't dictate graphics, yet has better graphics... Maybe both consoles and PC offer advancements that one another can utilize. PCs offer hardware headroom and consoles offer bare-metal coding.

INB4 consoles get raytracing

@dzimm: that's just not true though.

@fedor: that's just not true though.

@nfamouslegend: Yes it is, tgob.

If we get that PS3 shite, i'll lose my mind lol.

Xbox One to PS4 Pro saw over a 300% increase in performance, they're 3 years apart

PS4 to PS4 Pro saw a 250% increase in performance, they're 3 years apart

Xbox One to Xbox One X saw a 500% increase in performance, they're 4 years apart

PS4 Pro to Xbox One X, saw a 45% increase in performance they're 1 year apart.

If PS5 releases in 2021, 5 years after PS4 Pro, why would you only expect a 125% increase in performance?

If Xbox Next released in 2021, 4 years after Xbox One X, why would you only expect a 60% increase in performance ?

@neutrinoworks: First, your numbers are off. Second, PS5/XBN are coming in 2020. Third, Moore's law is slowing if not death outright.

@neutrinoworks: Your math is bad, gio. You also only think in raw gpu power. Regardless, I expect the consoles in 2020, just like everyone else in the world.

10 tflops in 2020 you guys are morons? I expect 12.

@blackhairedhero: No, I'm just a realist. You can have your pipe dreams. Fix your sentence structure before you call anyone morons.

@fedor: "Anyone morons".

That makes no sense MORON!

Now do a little more research. Any console releasing in 2020 on a new 7NM architecture can reach 12 tflops.

You can also look at multiple leaks.

@blackhairedhero: It makes sense just fine.

"That makes no sense, MORON!"

Ftfy, moron. (You also had "since" instead of "sence" before your edit, which is also wrong... LMAO)

"Now do a little more research. Any console releasing in 2020 on a new 7NM architecture can reach 12 tflops."

No way.... /s

The question is simple, what's the power draw and price of 12 tflop amd tech?

All the leaks are unsubstantiated rumors. Quit while you're behind.

Too many variables to actually state they will be able to get 12 TFLOPS. Between the Cost, power and cooling restraints. If Sony and MS continue with same plan since 2013 with breaking even and making profit on the hardware at the start. Seeing a 12 TFLOP GCN based gpu in them is highly unlikely.

Even with Radeon VII being 7nm and being 13.8 TFLOPS..... Still has a 295w TDP..... That much gpu grunt is not going into a console....

AMD's GCN architecture needs to be replaced and if the rumors are said to be true with PS5 using NAVI, only expect a 10 TFLOP type of gpu to fit the power and cooling restraints for an APU using a Ryzen based cpu even with 7nm.

But PC CAN still do both. It does have the ability, if you spend the money, which can do both.

It literally makes perfect sense. And you can't spell "sense" correctly either. Do not call other people morons when you just embarrass yourself.

@fedor: No it doesn't ya dunce.

" Before you call anyone a moron"

That's the proper sentence structure. You're the one that wanted to babble about sentence structure and then screwed up on the very same post.

Regardless I don't really care about being a grammar Nazi on a gaming forum. The point is DF did an in depth analysis on what we can expect. 10 tflops is realistic for a console coming in 2019 but it appears that's not happening. 12 tflops is far more likely in 2020. Also Madz gaming who is a respectable YouTube tech junkie goes in detail and his analysis also matches DF.

@boxrekt: Whats the price and power draw of navi, tgob? Provide confirmed links.

@Diddies: I use a mobile device that auto text. And no it doesn't ya dunce.

@blackhairedhero: Anyone who can read knows the sentence is good.

@fedor: Why is "Who" capitalized in the middle of your sentence?

For someone focused on sentence structure you're not good at it.

@blackhairedhero: Its not. Stop while you're behind.

You are dumb as hell and so is your phone if it auto-corrects your text to not a real word. lol Damn...keep embarrassing yourself. lol

@fedor: That's because you edited it, I think I'll keep going.

So consoles of 2020 will have the performance of a high end PC from 2015. No surprises here.

@Diddies: " to not a real word"

Wtf is that? Please don't call anyone dumb you sound illiterate.

@blackhairedhero: Why are you still talking to me? You have been proven a fool, move on.

@fedor: Why because you babble about sentence structure then screw it up in the very next post and capitalize words in the middle of your sentence?

Or is it because for some reason you want consoles to have 10tflops or less in 2020?