R.I.P. dvd9

1) Voila, I'm correct - If hating Lemmings makes me a Cow by default despite the fact that my PC probably outbenches yours by a mile then so be it

2) Threatening moderation is against the ToS. :) - glad I could make your day.

3) You're the one using shoddy evidence to support your argument. Are you sure I'M the one that needs lessons in debating, 'buddy'?

Who says my evidence is shoddy? You haven't argued a single point, just come in here pointing fingers.

Shewgenja

I'm not sure if you're talking about the super-rig or this "Also, believing the company that has shamelessly been releasing the worst DLC this generation has yet seen in droves that there's content of their TPS that can't fit onto the format that contained Crysis? ;Gullible''s written on the ceiling."

I think, in a way, the joke is on you. Here's why.. Games like Crysis on the PC don't deal with the DRM that 360 games have. A LOT of people take the DVD9 as a good solid 9GBs of usable disc space, but that is not the case in reality. Whether or not Capcom could have fit this extra content in the room taken by the DRM remains to be seen. At the smae time, it also remains to be seen if your theory that the disc isn't even being used up to full is true, as well.

Can we at least agree that both assumptions are making an arse of u and me? No, I am not one of those cows who pretends to have a super rig. I can take pics if you want me to prove it.

my PC probably outbenches yours by a mile Shewgenja

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]And here people were saying installations were a bad things once upon a time.Arach666

Oh it doesn't stop there, a variety of things on PC were bad until consoles got them.

Seriously guys, try not to turn every thread into consoles vs PC.

On topic - I still don't see the need of Blu-ray. The number of critically acclaimed games released on DVD is far greater than the amount of critically acclaimed games that only released on Blu-ray. Most recently, I've played Mass Effect 2 and Batman:AA and neither seemed to be hurting for more space. That being said, I wouldn't object to longer games, if devs can continue to provide incentive for me to see it through to the ending. That will require more intelligent game design than extra space on a disc...

I'm not sure if you're talking about the super-rig or this "Also, believing the company that has shamelessly been releasing the worst DLC this generation has yet seen in droves that there's content of their TPS that can't fit onto the format that contained Crysis? ;Gullible''s written on the ceiling."

I think, in a way, the joke is on you. Here's why.. Games like Crysis on the PC don't deal with the DRM that 360 games have. A LOT of people take the DVD9 as a good solid 9GBs of usable disc space, but that is not the case in reality. Whether or not Capcom could have fit this extra content in the room taken by the DRM remains to be seen. At the smae time, it also remains to be seen if your theory that the disc isn't even being used up to full is true, as well.

Can we at least agree that both assumptions are making an arse of u and me? No, I am not one of those cows who pretends to have a super rig. I can take pics if you want me to prove it.

Shewgenja

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"] my PC probably outbenches yours by a mile delta3074

Okay, that actually did make me lol. Thank you for making me lol at myself! :)

I honestly could not care less if you have a super rig or not. The point is, one of your main sources of evidence is a company that does NOT have a good reputation in terms of DLC and has gone so far as to try and charge for content that was already on the disc. The RE5 multiplayer backlash was so great that it is NO stretch of the imagination to assume that they left the content of their little third person shooter under the guise of storage limitation issues so they could afford a PR hit like that again. This isn't about CONSOLE DVD9 either, but the format as a whole. Regardless of DRM or not, games like Crysis prove that the format is far from dying.Verge_6

I suppose I should have clarified in that respect. Although, DVD9 is dead for PC gaming in a way. With Direct2Drive and STEAM leading the way in content distribution, it's becoming far less common for PC gamers to buy their games on disc at Brick and Mortar stores. If you go to any Gamestop, you will find that their PC "section" is usually little more than a small rack that may or may not even be bookended with games as well, tbh. Very few games are coming on a single DVD these days as well. For Lulz I picked up Crysis Warhead and they had to put Crysis Wars on a seperate disc, too.

Now, as far as Capcom's inscrupulous tactics with RE5, I concede you have a good point. Hopefully someone will analyze the disc and see if there's any free space on there or not. If there is, I hope they get blasted.

Considering alot of games these days feature maybe 5 hours of campaign time and then try to pass off the multiplayer as being "the true game", I don't think most are hurting for space when people can fit 40 hour games on one DVD.

Considering alot of games these days feature maybe 5 hours of campaign time and then try to pass off the multiplayer as being "the true game", I don't think most are hurting for space when people can fit 40 hour games on one DVD.

Pixel-Pirate

Well, that's relatively subjective. You can fit 40 hours of tetris on a CD. What you apparently can't fit on 3 DVDs is an HD resolution copy of FFXIII, though.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Considering alot of games these days feature maybe 5 hours of campaign time and then try to pass off the multiplayer as being "the true game", I don't think most are hurting for space when people can fit 40 hour games on one DVD.

Shewgenja

Well, that's relatively subjective. You can fit 40 hours of tetris on a CD. What you apparently can't fit on 3 DVDs is an HD resolution copy of FFXIII, though.

And yet DVD is still the leading media format.

Go fig.

Pixel-Pirate

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

And yet DVD is still the leading media format.

Go fig.

II_Seraphim_II

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Considering alot of games these days feature maybe 5 hours of campaign time and then try to pass off the multiplayer as being "the true game", I don't think most are hurting for space when people can fit 40 hour games on one DVD.

Verge_6

Well, that's relatively subjective. You can fit 40 hours of tetris on a CD. What you apparently can't fit on 3 DVDs is an HD resolution copy of FFXIII, though.

Yes, but your argument also glances over the fact that not all the cutscenes are CGI and, are in fact, in-engine. Whether or not Square uses good compression or not is actually a moot point when you think about it. Due to Microsoft's licensing policies, SE would have to pay extra money if the game spilled over to a fourth DVD. On the flip-side, due to BluRay (and in no small part due to the fact the game was conceived as exclusive tothe platform) the developers simply make the game that they want to make and let the rest sort itself out.

BTW, as an addendum to the Crysis argument, don't overlook the fact that I stated that DVD9 would remain relevant in the BluRay generation the same way VHS stayed relevant during the DVD generation, at least for a while.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Shewgenja"]so, my dads bigger than your dad,lol your PC being more powerful than verge's doesn't make you less of a fanboy, may as well compare **** sizes at an IQ contest,lolShewgenja

Okay, that actually did make me lol. Thank you for making me lol at myself! :)

I honestly could not care less if you have a super rig or not. The point is, one of your main sources of evidence is a company that does NOT have a good reputation in terms of DLC and has gone so far as to try and charge for content that was already on the disc. The RE5 multiplayer backlash was so great that it is NO stretch of the imagination to assume that they left the content of their little third person shooter under the guise of storage limitation issues so they could afford a PR hit like that again. This isn't about CONSOLE DVD9 either, but the format as a whole. Regardless of DRM or not, games like Crysis prove that the format is far from dying.Verge_6

I suppose I should have clarified in that respect. Although, DVD9 is dead for PC gaming in a way. With Direct2Drive and STEAM leading the way in content distribution, it's becoming far less common for PC gamers to buy their games on disc at Brick and Mortar stores. If you go to any Gamestop, you will find that their PC "section" is usually little more than a small rack that may or may not even be bookended with games as well, tbh. Very few games are coming on a single DVD these days as well. For Lulz I picked up Crysis Warhead and they had to put Crysis Wars on a seperate disc, too.

Now, as far as Capcom's inscrupulous tactics with RE5, I concede you have a good point. Hopefully someone will analyze the disc and see if there's any free space on there or not. If there is, I hope they get blasted.

Cows problem is they don't recognise the PS3 is equipped with a bottom of the line Blu-ray player, it may have the capacity of a Blu-ray; but at 2x speed it's slower than most DVDs. Hence why most cross platform games have to install on PS3, even though they are likely optimized for the last gen format DVD.

Blu-ray as a format will replace DVD, but the one in the PS3 isn't superior to DVD in every way, that's what happens when you adopt new tech too early.

Cows problem is they don't recognise the PS3 is equipped with a bottom of the line Blu-ray player, it may have the capacity of a Blu-ray; but at 2x speed it's slower than most DVDs. Hence why most cross platform games have to install on PS3, even though they are likely optimized for the last gen format DVD.

Blu-ray as a format will replace DVD, but the one in the PS3 isn't superior to DVD in every way, that's what happens when you adopt new tech too early.

AnnoyedDragon

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Shewgenja"]so, my dads bigger than your dad,lol your PC being more powerful than verge's doesn't make you less of a fanboy, may as well compare **** sizes at an IQ contest,lolShewgenja

Okay, that actually did make me lol. Thank you for making me lol at myself! :)

I honestly could not care less if you have a super rig or not. The point is, one of your main sources of evidence is a company that does NOT have a good reputation in terms of DLC and has gone so far as to try and charge for content that was already on the disc. The RE5 multiplayer backlash was so great that it is NO stretch of the imagination to assume that they left the content of their little third person shooter under the guise of storage limitation issues so they could afford a PR hit like that again. This isn't about CONSOLE DVD9 either, but the format as a whole. Regardless of DRM or not, games like Crysis prove that the format is far from dying.Verge_6

I suppose I should have clarified in that respect. Although, DVD9 is dead for PC gaming in a way. With Direct2Drive and STEAM leading the way in content distribution, it's becoming far less common for PC gamers to buy their games on disc at Brick and Mortar stores. If you go to any Gamestop, you will find that their PC "section" is usually little more than a small rack that may or may not even be bookended with games as well, tbh. Very few games are coming on a single DVD these days as well. For Lulz I picked up Crysis Warhead and they had to put Crysis Wars on a seperate disc, too.

Now, as far as Capcom's inscrupulous tactics with RE5, I concede you have a good point. Hopefully someone will analyze the disc and see if there's any free space on there or not. If there is, I hope they get blasted.

that i agree with,the PC section is tiny down at gamestation, and although i disagree that DVD 9 is dead now, it's definitly knocking on heavens door,so to speak, and we will know straight away if capcoms pulling a fast one, when we install the game to the HDD on the 360 it will tell us how much disc space it takes up,anything less the 6.4gb to 6.8 and we start flapping about it on system wars, watch this space,loldelta3074

See, that's what I'm getting at. Dragon Age: Origins is a perfect example of why DVD9 is starting to creak and crack. You couldn't even play the game for five hours without being prompted to download an add-on to access content that was built into the game itself (not on the disc, mind you). Why on heck there would be DLC for a game not even a week after it launches is 100% evidence that these developers are trying to stretch their distribution format and use it to segway revenue generation. The gamers are losing out (BTW I love that game, but it needs to be said).

The longer people hold on to the believe that DVD9 is perfectly fine for this generation, the more developers are going to take liberties with your wallet. That may not be the case with FFXIII, but it is evident in plenty of others.

Cows problem is they don't recognise the PS3 is equipped with a bottom of the line Blu-ray player, it may have the capacity of a Blu-ray; but at 2x speed it's slower than most DVDs. Hence why most cross platform games have to install on PS3, even though they are likely optimized for the last gen format DVD.

Blu-ray as a format will replace DVD, but the one in the PS3 isn't superior to DVD in every way, that's what happens when you adopt new tech too early.

AnnoyedDragon

and DVD proponents fail to admit that depending on where the content is on the disc itself on the DVD, even a 2x BD-ROM will out-transfer the faster DVD-Rom drives. It's a moot argument.

Cows problem is they don't recognise the PS3 is equipped with a bottom of the line Blu-ray player, it may have the capacity of a Blu-ray; but at 2x speed it's slower than most DVDs. Hence why most cross platform games have to install on PS3, even though they are likely optimized for the last gen format DVD.

Blu-ray as a format will replace DVD, but the one in the PS3 isn't superior to DVD in every way, that's what happens when you adopt new tech too early.

AnnoyedDragon

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

And yet DVD is still the leading media format.

Go fig.

Verge_6

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

Well, that's relatively subjective. You can fit 40 hours of tetris on a CD. What you apparently can't fit on 3 DVDs is an HD resolution copy of FFXIII, though.

Shewgenja

Yes, but your argument also glances over the fact that not all the cutscenes are CGI and, are in fact, in-engine. Whether or not Square uses good compression or not is actually a moot point when you think about it. Due to Microsoft's licensing policies, SE would have to pay extra money if the game spilled over to a fourth DVD. On the flip-side, due to BluRay (and in no small part due to the fact the game was conceived as exclusive tothe platform) the developers simply make the game that they want to make and let the rest sort itself out.

BTW, as an addendum to the Crysis argument, don't overlook the fact that I stated that DVD9 would remain relevant in the BluRay generation the same way VHS stayed relevant during the DVD generation, at least for a while.

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

Cows problem is they don't recognise the PS3 is equipped with a bottom of the line Blu-ray player, it may have the capacity of a Blu-ray; but at 2x speed it's slower than most DVDs. Hence why most cross platform games have to install on PS3, even though they are likely optimized for the last gen format DVD.

Blu-ray as a format will replace DVD, but the one in the PS3 isn't superior to DVD in every way, that's what happens when you adopt new tech too early.

Eddie-Vedder

Thats debateable.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

Cows problem is they don't recognise the PS3 is equipped with a bottom of the line Blu-ray player, it may have the capacity of a Blu-ray; but at 2x speed it's slower than most DVDs. Hence why most cross platform games have to install on PS3, even though they are likely optimized for the last gen format DVD.

Blu-ray as a format will replace DVD, but the one in the PS3 isn't superior to DVD in every way, that's what happens when you adopt new tech too early.

Pixel-Pirate

Thats debateable.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

Well, that's relatively subjective. You can fit 40 hours of tetris on a CD. What you apparently can't fit on 3 DVDs is an HD resolution copy of FFXIII, though.

Shewgenja

Yes, but your argument also glances over the fact that not all the cutscenes are CGI and, are in fact, in-engine. Whether or not Square uses good compression or not is actually a moot point when you think about it. Due to Microsoft's licensing policies, SE would have to pay extra money if the game spilled over to a fourth DVD. On the flip-side, due to BluRay (and in no small part due to the fact the game was conceived as exclusive tothe platform) the developers simply make the game that they want to make and let the rest sort itself out.

BTW, as an addendum to the Crysis argument, don't overlook the fact that I stated that DVD9 would remain relevant in the BluRay generation the same way VHS stayed relevant during the DVD generation, at least for a while.

Now, a 4X BD drive...now that trumps DVD is virtually every way possible, including transfer rate. By next gen, consoles should have 4-8x BD drives standard.HuusAsking

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Now, a 4X BD drive...now that trumps DVD is virtually every way possible, including transfer rate. By next gen, consoles should have 4-8x BD drives standard.foxhound_fox

Basically, by the time the next generation rolls around, good BD drives and massive hard drives will be old hardware.

And yet DVD is still the leading media format.

Go fig.

Pixel-Pirate

Now, a 4X BD drive...now that trumps DVD is virtually every way possible, including transfer rate. By next gen, consoles should have 4-8x BD drives standard.HuusAsking

Sure, next gen, just not now.

and DVD proponents fail to admit that depending on where the content is on the disc itself on the DVD, even a 2x BD-ROM will out-transfer the faster DVD-Rom drives. It's a moot argument.

Shewgenja

Proponents? Must everything be made into fanboy vs fanboy in SW? I'd say it is more a matter of downplayers vs exagerators.

Anyway your point doesn't mean much, regardless of the variable nature of a DVD; its 'real world' application shows a transfer speed advantage to DVD.

What are you babling on about, UC2 is the best looking game on consoles and only loads once when you start playing. It's better then DvD...Eddie-Vedder

Games specifically designed to go around x2 speed Blu-ray limitations are not evidence that those limitations don't exist. The PS3 blu-ray drive is x2 speed, this is a fact, Uncharted 2 does not change this fact.

PS3's Blu-ray drive speed limitations are highlighted when it attempts to perform at the same level as 360s DVDs, which results in installations.

Also you are linking visual quality with optical disk performance, they are not related.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

And yet DVD is still the leading media format.

Go fig.

Hahadouken

Thing is, Square Enix has a reputation for insisting on quality. They've said it themselves that the models for their CGI cutscenes are at least an order of magnitude more complex than their realtime ones. Meanwhile, you have companies like Bioware and Bethesda who are cranking out some vast and storied (and critically-acclaimed) RPGs, yet the only one on the list to creep over the 1-DVD barrier was Mass Effect 2. And this while being no slouches in the content department.HuusAsking

And I say, you are right, however, as a gamer I don't want every RPG to be the same as Oblivion or Fallout 3. The developers should be free to make the type of game that they want to. DVD 9 will continue to be able to bring a quality experience, I don't think anyone is going to deny that. What's happening, though, as this generation goes forward is that developers are starting to break past the limitations it imposed on itself. Art assets are becoming cheaper by the day to create. Experience with the hardware is getting better (all hardware, not just the PS3 mind you).

More and more, the developers are turning to DLC to fill the gap. That's the (good?) news. The bad news is not every gamer has access to that content like you and I do. Even worse, like in FFXII's case, they are finding the contraint to actually diminish the experience for the gamers. Hey, I've played some beautiful games on the 360. I don't think Xenon or Xenos are holding FFXIII at sub-HD resolution. Maybe you do, though.

Now, the practical advantages of BD vs. DVD aren't so great, which is why it's taking a bit longer for the transition to take place. The tipping point is almost there, though, as BD drives are within commodity prices and BD pressing costs are getting close to parity with DVD.

That is highly subjective. if you didn't have access to broadband, you wouldn't be saying that at all.

Wanna hear something funny? I don't even use my dvd drive in my PC, because all my games are digital, that is the future, not blu-ray

DoomZaW

Thing is, not everyone has broadband, and BD drives are getting to the commodity level (buy a nice 8x model at Newegg for $100--imagine the bulk sale price, especially in two years' time). And while DVD pressing costs are still cheaper than BD, it's not by that much (probably no cheaper than a factor of 2). As content gets bigger, the DVD advantage goes away as the need for more discs increases. BD will take over, but it still needs a year or so, by which time the next generation will be on its way. As for the Wii, you should look and see which companies are benefitting the most from it. Hint: I doubt you'll find a third party on the list.

Basically, by the time the next generation rolls around, good BD drives and massive hard drives will be old hardware.

HuusAsking

And what does that mean? VHS was still the leader when DVD came out. Hahadouken

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]

Sure, next gen, just not now.

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

and DVD proponents fail to admit that depending on where the content is on the disc itself on the DVD, even a 2x BD-ROM will out-transfer the faster DVD-Rom drives. It's a moot argument.

AnnoyedDragon

Proponents? Must everything be made into fanboy vs fanboy in SW? I'd say it is more a matter of downplayers vs exagerators.

Anyway your point doesn't mean much, regardless of the variable nature of a DVD; its 'real world' application shows a transfer speed advantage to DVD.

What are you babling on about, UC2 is the best looking game on consoles and only loads once when you start playing. It's better then DvD...Eddie-Vedder

Games specifically designed to go around x2 speed Blu-ray limitations are not evidence that those limitations don't exist. The PS3 blu-ray drive is x2 speed, this is a fact, Uncharted 2 does not change this fact.

PS3's Blu-ray drive speeds limitations are highlighted when it attempts to perform at the same level as 360s DVDs, which results in installations.

Also you are linking visual quality with optical disk performance, they are not related.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Thing is, not everyone has broadband, and BD drives are getting to the commodity level (buy a nice 8x model at Newegg for $100--imagine the bulk sale price, especially in two years' time). And while DVD pressing costs are still cheaper than BD, it's not by that much (probably no cheaper than a factor of 2). As content gets bigger, the DVD advantage goes away as the need for more discs increases. BD will take over, but it still needs a year or so, by which time the next generation will be on its way. As for the Wii, you should look and see which companies are benefitting the most from it. Hint: I doubt you'll find a third party on the list.

Basically, by the time the next generation rolls around, good BD drives and massive hard drives will be old hardware.

foxhound_fox

That's just a straight up lie, Blu Ray is part of a whole, which has helped make better games. DO you really think the PS3 exclusives like KZ2, MGS4, UC2 would be exactly the same if the PS3 was dvd only? It doesn't need to be a MASSIVE jump to be a helpfull component. You peeps on system wars are always on extremes, it either does something completly revolutionary or it's meaningless.

Eddie-Vedder

I honestly wouldn't bother. Sub-HD FFXIII with non-1080p cutscenes says Hi. Heck, MGS4s disc space says hi long long ago. Let people live in a bubble if they like.

That's just a straight up lie, Blu Ray is part of a whole, which has helped make better games. DO you really think the PS3 exclusives like KZ2, MGS4, UC2 would be exactly the same if the PS3 was dvd only? It doesn't need to be a MASSIVE jump to be a helpfull component. You peeps on system wars are always on extremes, it either does something completly revolutionary or it's meaningless.

Eddie-Vedder

Wait a sec here, are you seriously trying to defend dvd > Blu Ray?Eddie-Vedder

Must I repeat myself?

"Proponents? Must everything be made into fanboy vs fanboy in SW? I'd say it is more a matter of downplayers vs exagerators."

Stop thinking like a fanboy and look at the facts right in front of you.

A x2 speed Blu-ray disk drive is typically slower than a x12 DVD drive, if you don't believe that check the specs. Whenever a cross platform game is created it is designed for DVD capacity and speed to ensure cross platform compatibility, the PS3 version often results in a install while the 360 version does not. The only reason a install is needed is to accommodate the slower speed of x2 Blu-ray, demonstrating that the variable speed on DVD still results in a overall faster read speed.

I am not saying DVD > Blu-ray, I am saying the Blu-ray drive in the PS3 is a premature model before the format demonstrates its full superiority.

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

:roll:

DVD based games are still more widely used than bluray (I don't believe anyone uses it besides sony for the PS3) and I'm pretty sure DVD movies still outsell Bluray.

Bluray is taking an awful long time to become the media standard it wants to think it is. By the time it makes it, a new larger and better format will be out.

Pixel-Pirate

Look, I know what you're saying. You have a good point and all, but I'm still not sure what the bigger and better format would be since BluRay will go up to 200GBs. It is far more likely that the next-gen systems will all have BluRay drives in them or some derivative technology (like, I could totally see Nintendo going with that Chinese BluRay format or something along those lines).

The real point here is that BluRay is turning into an advantage for games during this generation. A lot of people said it would be completely unecessary but they are getting proven wrong time and again. Sony was clairvoyant in this regard. There's no denying that.

I believe a format is already being worked on that stores between 800 gb to 1 TB.

Bluray is nice but I don't feel it was worth it for sony. It's cost raised the PS3's cost which cost them alot of sales and took them from 1st place to 3rd in one generation all for the convenience of not having to switch a disc? I don't really see the big problem with switching a disc out, you know back in the PS1 era we sometimes had to switch between 4 discs! My God! 4! How we didn't strain our muscles and run out of breath having to swap a disc out is beyond me!

CD was a big jump from cartridges because you can't really have a two cart game (I've never seen one) but you can have a 4 CD game.

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]And here people were saying installations were a bad things once upon a time.delta3074

Oh it doesn't stop there, a variety of things on PC were bad until consoles got them.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]That's just a straight up lie, Blu Ray is part of a whole, which has helped make better games. DO you really think the PS3 exclusives like KZ2, MGS4, UC2 would be exactly the same if the PS3 was dvd only? It doesn't need to be a MASSIVE jump to be a helpfull component. You peeps on system wars are always on extremes, it either does something completly revolutionary or it's meaningless.

foxhound_fox

And you actually believe capcom? A developer that made u pay for stuff that was already on a disc? (RE5 versus mode.)

Like they couldn't have put their game on multiple dvds....

It is a sad excuse to leave some content out and milk you later through DLC

Wake up people!!!

And before someone comes out with the "but you have to swap discs" argument let me remind you that we did that for what? 20 years? never killed anybody

[QUOTE="DoomZaW"]

Wanna hear something funny? I don't even use my dvd drive in my PC, because all my games are digital, that is the future, not blu-ray

Vasichko

Well theres always next gen. Lets hope MS actually includes bluray this time. It will actually help move the industry forward as well.

i guess this is another reason why the ps3 is the best. i should just throw my 360 in the trash i guess.

Looks like people saying Blu-Ray is still unnecessary and isn't important are getting heavily owned lately, with both this and FF13

I am not sure why people are bringing up the PC and it's trends as an example of what is to come with consoles? Let's make this very clear, console gaming is the one size fits all, fisher price version of PC gaming. It's a way for people who aren't tech savvy, lazy, or just don't have the money or want to keep up with upgrades to buy ONE piece of hardware and know they can play video games as long as the game has the name of their system on the cover. These people are the reason why console gaming has BOOMED and why many PC devs are looking towards consoles and investing man hours and money to make games for consoles. Because they have such a large fanbase between all the available consoles.

PC gamers, rest easy knowing that you will always be ahead of console gamers in new tech and trends. There is a reason for that, because they are a very different gaming audience. The appeal to making games for consoles is being able to hit a large amount of varied people. Now what some people here in this thread propose is that the console industry will SHRINK their current fanbase by MILLIONS and cater to the audience that has plays online or has high speed internet only. ARE YOU SERIOUS?! Hasn't the Wii, Natal and the stupid Sony wand shown anybody that the industry will always want and need to cater to the casual audience to survive. Sony, Nintendo and MS will always want to include those 7 year old kids with no credit cards who get their first console because it's easy for them to game. These gamers are not getting a gaming rig, a credit and expected to buy their games online. DD will shrink the gaming industry which is exactly what these people DON'T want to do. DD will be an option but that is it. It will replace nothing on the console front.

Now Blu ray may not be on every console next gen. but I do believe something bigger will be the standard and not DD and complete installs. Maybe they will do what Nintendo does and create their own format, possibly an HD DVD hybrid. It really depends on the evolution of games this gen.

[QUOTE="Vasichko"][QUOTE="DoomZaW"]

Wanna hear something funny? I don't even use my dvd drive in my PC, because all my games are digital, that is the future, not blu-ray

kidcool189

If the PSP Go is anything to judge by, then I would say DLC only machines are a long ways off. Imagine how convenient it is to not have to carry around a bunch of cartridges and discs on a portable? I have a Go and I LOVE it. That being said, it is a commercial flop and I can not imagine any home console following suit next-gen.

[QUOTE="kidcool189"]

[QUOTE="Vasichko"] You forgetting that over half of the US doesnt have highspeed internet. Disc format will be around for quite sometime.Javy03