R.I.P. dvd9

Wanna hear something funny? I don't even use my dvd drive in my PC, because all my games are digital, that is the future, not blu-ray

DoomZaW

Wanna hear something funny? I don't even use my dvd drive in my PC, because all my games are digital, that is the future, not blu-ray

DoomZaW

and I'm pretty sure DVD movies still outsell Bluray.

Bluray is taking an awful long time to become the media standard it wants to think it is. By the time it makes it, a new larger and better format will be out.

Pixel-Pirate

It is still 5-10 years before DD starts taking off due to internet speeds and storage capacities become cheaper

[QUOTE="DoomZaW"]

Wanna hear something funny? I don't even use my dvd drive in my PC, because all my games are digital, that is the future, not blu-ray

Vasichko

[QUOTE="Vasichko"][QUOTE="DoomZaW"]

Wanna hear something funny? I don't even use my dvd drive in my PC, because all my games are digital, that is the future, not blu-ray

SakusEnvoy

DVD9s are fine. At least on real gaming platforms...

Sony could have just put a nice hdd in the ps3 and have strait installs. It would have much fatser loading, and it would have made th2 ps3 200 bucks cheapr at launch.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

And yet DVD is still the leading media format.

Go fig.

II_Seraphim_II

I also have to disagree with the comment that Blu-ray discs will be replaced by a bigger, better physical disc format within the decade...

Blu-ray discs have the advantage of having an open-ended storage limit, and most Blu-Ray players on the market are upgradeable through firmware updates. Hitachi has claimed a 100GB Blu-ray disc which is readable on standard Blu-ray Disc drives; Pioneer created a 400 GB Blu-Ray disc which will be compatible with current players.

That's not to say that bigger discs than BR players are capable of reading won't exist, but there's little reason to doubt that Blu-ray may well be the last physical disc storage medium we need for a long, long time.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

Look, I know what you're saying. You have a good point and all, but I'm still not sure what the bigger and better format would be since BluRay will go up to 200GBs. It is far more likely that the next-gen systems will all have BluRay drives in them or some derivative technology (like, I could totally see Nintendo going with that Chinese BluRay format or something along those lines).

The real point here is that BluRay is turning into an advantage for games during this generation. A lot of people said it would be completely unecessary but they are getting proven wrong time and again. Sony was clairvoyant in this regard. There's no denying that.

Fuhgeddabouditt

I believe a format is already being worked on that stores between 800 gb to 1 TB.

Bluray is nice but I don't feel it was worth it for sony. It's cost raised the PS3's cost which cost them alot of sales and took them from 1st place to 3rd in one generation all for the convenience of not having to switch a disc? I don't really see the big problem with switching a disc out, you know back in the PS1 era we sometimes had to switch between 4 discs! My God! 4! How we didn't strain our muscles and run out of breath having to swap a disc out is beyond me!

CD was a big jump from cartridges because you can't really have a two cart game (I've never seen one) but you can have a 4 CD game.

I often ask myself why I should want Bluray when my TV cannot take advantage of it.

I'm honestly still not convinced bluray will replace DVD anytime soon. Maybe in 3 to 5 years but within the year? I really doubt it.

Wanna hear something funny? I don't even use my dvd drive in my PC, because all my games are digital, that is the future, not blu-ray

DoomZaW

[QUOTE="DoomZaW"]

Wanna hear something funny? I don't even use my dvd drive in my PC, because all my games are digital, that is the future, not blu-ray

JunkTrap

[QUOTE="JunkTrap"][QUOTE="DoomZaW"]

Wanna hear something funny? I don't even use my dvd drive in my PC, because all my games are digital, that is the future, not blu-ray

kidcool189

Why don't they just put it on 2 discs?

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"] and I'm pretty sure DVD movies still outsell Bluray.

Bluray is taking an awful long time to become the media standard it wants to think it is. By the time it makes it, a new larger and better format will be out.

CajunShooter

It is still 5-10 years before DD starts taking off due to internet speeds and storage capacities become cheaper

I had never seen a DVD in stores or heard of one untill around 1999-2000. Shortly after I heard of it it seemed to quickly catch fire. I've known of bluray for several years now.

I personally won't go bluray until such time as I am forced to because DVD is no longer sold. Mainly because it doesn't seem worth it to me.

Wanna hear something funny? I don't even use my dvd drive in my PC, because all my games are digital, that is the future, not blu-ray

DoomZaW

Hardcopies will never be replaced. THey will always be around no matter if its cd based or ssd..

[QUOTE="JunkTrap"][QUOTE="DoomZaW"]

Wanna hear something funny? I don't even use my dvd drive in my PC, because all my games are digital, that is the future, not blu-ray

kidcool189

I highly disagree. Having a discless/cartridgeless mobile gaming platform seems ideal.

They should sell games in a Solid-State Disk, like an SD card or something like that. Go into the shop, where they will have an work-station class SSD with the data on it. Buy the data, which is then transferred onto the SD. Off you go!

Probably will take a few years or so before that happens, but whatever....

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

And yet DVD is still the leading media format.

Go fig.

Pixel-Pirate

The lead format of failing gamers.

:roll:

DVD based games are still more widely used than bluray (I don't believe anyone uses it besides sony for the PS3) and I'm pretty sure DVD movies still outsell Bluray.

Bluray is taking an awful long time to become the media standard it wants to think it is. By the time it makes it, a new larger and better format will be out.

And by the time that better format is out, it won't be as affordable or as wide spread as bluray.

Although I highly doubt we are going to launch very far beyond bluray.

Wanna hear something funny? I don't even use my dvd drive in my PC, because all my games are digital, that is the future, not blu-ray

DoomZaW

They should sell games in a Solid-State Disk, like an SD card or something like that. Go into the shop, where they will have an work-station class SSD with the data on it. Buy the data, which is then transferred onto the SD. Off you go!

Probably will take a few years or so before that happens, but whatever....

siddhu33

This idea would work. It would be perfect for all the people with download caps. Not only that there will be no more "sold out" games. No more waiting in line for your favorite games. No more having to reserve copies. Buy games whenever you want/ whatever you want. It would just have to be HYPER secure to prevent privacy. I could see people being given a CD-key of sorts... also all next gen consoles should have a 3g connection or atleast a simple one so that they can authenticate your CD-key online even if you don't have internet in your area.

[QUOTE="kidcool189"]

[QUOTE="JunkTrap"] Yea because PSP Go! is such a success :roll:Shewgenja

I highly disagree. Having a discless/cartridgeless mobile gaming platform seems ideal.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

:roll:

DVD based games are still more widely used than bluray (I don't believe anyone uses it besides sony for the PS3) and I'm pretty sure DVD movies still outsell Bluray.

Bluray is taking an awful long time to become the media standard it wants to think it is. By the time it makes it, a new larger and better format will be out.

Shewgenja

Look, I know what you're saying. You have a good point and all, but I'm still not sure what the bigger and better format would be since BluRay will go up to 200GBs. It is far more likely that the next-gen systems will all have BluRay drives in them or some derivative technology (like, I could totally see Nintendo going with that Chinese BluRay format or something along those lines).

The real point here is that BluRay is turning into an advantage for games during this generation. A lot of people said it would be completely unecessary but they are getting proven wrong time and again. Sony was clairvoyant in this regard. There's no denying that.

[QUOTE="Fuhgeddabouditt"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I believe a format is already being worked on that stores between 800 gb to 1 TB.

Bluray is nice but I don't feel it was worth it for sony. It's cost raised the PS3's cost which cost them alot of sales and took them from 1st place to 3rd in one generation all for the convenience of not having to switch a disc? I don't really see the big problem with switching a disc out, you know back in the PS1 era we sometimes had to switch between 4 discs! My God! 4! How we didn't strain our muscles and run out of breath having to swap a disc out is beyond me!

CD was a big jump from cartridges because you can't really have a two cart game (I've never seen one) but you can have a 4 CD game.

Pixel-Pirate

I often ask myself why I should want Bluray when my TV cannot take advantage of it.

I'm honestly still not convinced bluray will replace DVD anytime soon. Maybe in 3 to 5 years but within the year? I really doubt it.

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

:roll:

DVD based games are still more widely used than bluray (I don't believe anyone uses it besides sony for the PS3) and I'm pretty sure DVD movies still outsell Bluray.

Bluray is taking an awful long time to become the media standard it wants to think it is. By the time it makes it, a new larger and better format will be out.

toxicmog

Look, I know what you're saying. You have a good point and all, but I'm still not sure what the bigger and better format would be since BluRay will go up to 200GBs. It is far more likely that the next-gen systems will all have BluRay drives in them or some derivative technology (like, I could totally see Nintendo going with that Chinese BluRay format or something along those lines).

The real point here is that BluRay is turning into an advantage for games during this generation. A lot of people said it would be completely unecessary but they are getting proven wrong time and again. Sony was clairvoyant in this regard. There's no denying that.

[QUOTE="kidcool189"]

[QUOTE="JunkTrap"] Yea because PSP Go! is such a success :roll:Eddie-Vedder

DD will fail on consoles anyways because it'll reveal the harsh truth about the closed console style of business: console companies rape consumers' wallets

currently having physical medium that they can't control after it's sold at retail masks this

Owning a physical copy is power. Consumers should never let that be taken away from them.

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

:roll:

DVD based games are still more widely used than bluray (I don't believe anyone uses it besides sony for the PS3) and I'm pretty sure DVD movies still outsell Bluray.

Bluray is taking an awful long time to become the media standard it wants to think it is. By the time it makes it, a new larger and better format will be out.

Pixel-Pirate

Look, I know what you're saying. You have a good point and all, but I'm still not sure what the bigger and better format would be since BluRay will go up to 200GBs. It is far more likely that the next-gen systems will all have BluRay drives in them or some derivative technology (like, I could totally see Nintendo going with that Chinese BluRay format or something along those lines).

The real point here is that BluRay is turning into an advantage for games during this generation. A lot of people said it would be completely unecessary but they are getting proven wrong time and again. Sony was clairvoyant in this regard. There's no denying that.

I believe a format is already being worked on that stores between 800 gb to 1 TB.

Bluray is nice but I don't feel it was worth it for sony. It's cost raised the PS3's cost which cost them alot of sales and took them from 1st place to 3rd in one generation all for the convenience of not having to switch a disc? I don't really see the big problem with switching a disc out, you know back in the PS1 era we sometimes had to switch between 4 discs! My God! 4! How we didn't strain our muscles and run out of breath having to swap a disc out is beyond me!

CD was a big jump from cartridges because you can't really have a two cart game (I've never seen one) but you can have a 4 CD game.

Thats business, you WILL! lose money and spend money to make money. Sony did take a hit on the PS3, but it's working forSony now. Sony thought ahead, Microsoft didnt. All I'm saying is you have to spend money to make money.

Owning a physical copy is power. Consumers should never let that be taken away from them.

hakanakumono

That's wuz up!!! I'm 100% for physical copies, but the way you put it is like, dayum!!!

Wanna hear something funny? I don't even use my dvd drive in my PC, because all my games are digital, that is the future, not blu-ray

DoomZaW

DVD is dying but it's not dead it would have been better if the 360 used hd-dvd or blu-ray but the 360 came out 1 year before the ps3.

I won't argue that HDD for gaming > all, I though you were saying DVD > Blu Ray like some other poster was which is just lol worthy, Blu Ray is just the next logical step in disc media format. I'm not sure if will ever see full install on consoles tho, that sounds like a pirates dream, I honestly think Blu Ray and then whatever media disk format comes next will be the future on consoles. PC is a diferent beast, all it's games are fully installed, there really is no need to move over to Blu Ray right now, but that's not the case on consoles, consoles run the games off the disc so it makes a lot more sense evolve that aging dvd format. And Dev's are having more and more probs with the limitations of the DVD format, Blu Ray is getting better and better, in the begining EVERY game had an install, now hardly any of them do, and even if they do who cares, if it makes the game run better...

Eddie-Vedder

That's just Capcom.

The same Capcom that released overpriced DLC on nearly every game they've released this gen. I find it hard to believe that LP2 couldn't fit on a single disc when games like Oblivion, Fallout 3 and ToV came on a single disc and had campaigns that were over 30 hours.

[...] games like Oblivion, Fallout 3 and ToV came on a single disc and had campaigns that were over 30 hours.

SpinoRaptor24

Jeez, so what if a game has more than 1 disc. Gamers are getting so lazy. You want a laser beam that can scratch your a* from space too?

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"][...] games like Oblivion, Fallout 3 and ToV came on a single disc and had campaigns that were over 30 hours.

foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] I won't argue that HDD for gaming > all, I though you were saying DVD > Blu Ray like some other poster was which is just lol worthy, Blu Ray is just the next logical step in disc media format. I'm not sure if will ever see full install on consoles tho, that sounds like a pirates dream, I honestly think Blu Ray and then whatever media disk format comes next will be the future on consoles. PC is a diferent beast, all it's games are fully installed, there really is no need to move over to Blu Ray right now, but that's not the case on consoles, consoles run the games off the disc so it makes a lot more sense evolve that aging dvd format. And Dev's are having more and more probs with the limitations of the DVD format, Blu Ray is getting better and better, in the begining EVERY game had an install, now hardly any of them do, and even if they do who cares, if it makes the game run better...

foxhound_fox

well for games dvd may be dead but movies, i just dont see that possible oh and wii , practically because of focus on hd the other systems need more space , thus why nintendo waited ,, and will probably use bigger disc next gen at half the price, lol while ms is still lacking behind

If games get bigger next gen, then even hard drives won't be able to keep up. I filled up half my hard drive on Steam installs, and I consider my library only of medium size (close to 30 games)--not all of which are big hulking beasts like Witcher. I can certainly see installations still available as an option, like it is on the 360, but the norm? Unlikely since people complain now about their hard drives not being big enough. Trust me--hard drives are never big enough.

HuusAsking

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]If games get bigger next gen, then even hard drives won't be able to keep up. I filled up half my hard drive on Steam installs, and I consider my library only of medium size (close to 30 games)--not all of which are big hulking beasts like Witcher. I can certainly see installations still available as an option, like it is on the 360, but the norm? Unlikely since people complain now about their hard drives not being big enough. Trust me--hard drives are never big enough.

foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

:roll:

DVD based games are still more widely used than bluray (I don't believe anyone uses it besides sony for the PS3) and I'm pretty sure DVD movies still outsell Bluray.

Bluray is taking an awful long time to become the media standard it wants to think it is. By the time it makes it, a new larger and better format will be out.

Shewgenja

Look, I know what you're saying. You have a good point and all, but I'm still not sure what the bigger and better format would be since BluRay will go up to 200GBs. It is far more likely that the next-gen systems will all have BluRay drives in them or some derivative technology (like, I could totally see Nintendo going with that Chinese BluRay format or something along those lines).

The real point here is that BluRay is turning into an advantage for games during this generation. A lot of people said it would be completely unecessary but they are getting proven wrong time and again. Sony was clairvoyant in this regard. There's no denying that.

nope. We aren't anywhere close to the 14 or so floppy discs some PCs used. Woah, 4 DVD discs? Sounds like when the PS1 had to use 3-4 CDs for some of its games.

5 is pushing it, and an Xbox 360 exclusive did 4, FFXIII only made it to 3 and NOTHING stopped Capcom from using 2, because common sense wasn't around that day.

Blu-Ray can hit 400 Gb BTW, but thanks for half-assing your research. it fits with the rest of your argument.

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"][...] games like Oblivion, Fallout 3 and ToV came on a single disc and had campaigns that were over 30 hours.

foxhound_fox

+GTA IV which barely broke 3/4 of a disc.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"][...] games like Oblivion, Fallout 3 and ToV came on a single disc and had campaigns that were over 30 hours.

HavocV3

+GTA IV which barely broke 3/4 of a disc.

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"] my PC probably outbenches yours by a mile delta3074

lmao, now browsing this thread really became worthwhile. the laugh was at least.

RIP TC.

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]If they had that much extra content, they could have easily put it on a second disc. They know what they were dealing with from the start, and here they're acting suprised. Do they really expect us to believe they didn't know how big their game was? This is just an excuse for them to milk gamers...Nothing more.TintedEyes

If this is really the case - the real question should be; will all the DLC that cannot fit on DVD9 be on the PS3 version of the game as standard.

I think Capcom and its big mouth will cause its self a lot of problems with this revelation.

They have no real excuse not to include the DLC fro FREE as standard for PS3 users and it would be unfair to charge 360 owners for it. I mean if the DLC was originally part of the game, the DLC is already technically paid for it you decide to buy the game.

If they don't include it on a blu-ray and charge PS3 users for the DLC they will lose credibility and be accused of just milking gamers.

If the content is not released as standard on the PS3 it will also bring back the argument that the 360 is holding back development of the PS3 .

Changing discs was not a problem back when I had a PS1, I doubt it will be much of a problem now. This is the kind of topic that should bring system wars together, because in this case if the 360 suffers the PS3 suffers also.

If this is really the case - the real question should be; will all the DLC that cannot fit on DVD9 be on the PS3 version of the game as standard.

I think Capcom and its big mouth will cause its self a lot of problems with this revelation.

They have no real excuse not to include the DLC fro FREE as standard for PS3 users and it would be unfair to charge 360 owners for it. I mean if the DLC was originally part of the game, the DLC is already technically paid for it you decide to buy the game.

If they don't include it on a blu-ray and charge PS3 users for the DLC they will lose credibility and be accused of just milking gamers.

If the content is not released as standard on the PS3 it will also bring back the argument that the 360 is holding back development of the PS3 .

Changing discs was not a problem back when I had a PS1, I doubt it will be much of a problem now. This is the kind of topic that should bring system wars together, because in this case if the 360 suffers the PS3 suffers also.

If this is really the case - the real question should be; will all the DLC that cannot fit on DVD9 be on the PS3 version of the game as standard.

I think Capcom and its big mouth will cause its self a lot of problems with this revelation.

They have no real excuse not to include the DLC fro FREE as standard for PS3 users and it would be unfair to charge 360 owners for it. I mean if the DLC was originally part of the game, the DLC is already technically paid for it you decide to buy the game.

If they don't include it on a blu-ray and charge PS3 users for the DLC they will lose credibility and be accused of just milking gamers.

If the content is not released as standard on the PS3 it will also bring back the argument that the 360 is holding back development of the PS3 .

Changing discs was not a problem back when I had a PS1, I doubt it will be much of a problem now. This is the kind of topic that should bring system wars together, because in this case if the 360 suffers the PS3 suffers also.