rsx is not a g70

hey, i bet in 2005 or whenever that was the PS3's theoretical power was the best ever. Its now 2009, things have moved on, if you honestly think n vidia still haven't surpassed the RSX years later you are more stupid than i thought.

Really, they claimed the ps3 was more powerfull than 2x6800 in sli, back then this was, WOW, OMG, thats amazing. Now even budget cards beat that lol.

Frozzik

Its not only the graphics card its the way the whole system has been build!!!im sure you dont have ram that runs at 3.2gz and youi dont have cell NOC network on a chip!...What game on your PC loads once and never loads again through the whole game?8)

The Hypervisor in virtulization mode they can made RSX look like whatever they want!

hey, i bet in 2005 or whenever that was the PS3's theoretical power was the best ever. Its now 2009, things have moved on, if you honestly think n vidia still haven't surpassed the RSX years later you are more stupid than i thought.

Really, they claimed the ps3 was more powerfull than 2x6800 in sli, back then this was, WOW, OMG, thats amazing. Now even budget cards beat that lol.

Frozzik

Here's the Problem with GPU based systems on PC's. First of all, GPU's (like G80) have moved to more general purpose scaler processors. They are good at crunching numbers in certain tasks faster than CPU Scalers though (Special Purpose) and now both of them being Scaler Processors makes it so any vector type calculations must be emulated. Scalers can do that, but not nearly as well as true Vector Processors like those in older GPU's and Cell BE SPU's.

So old systems with the GPU using vector chips and CPU's using Scalers, had a kind of symbiotic relationship! ....Now with both the same they aren't as efficient (more jobs have to be emulated). But the main problem, is the BANDWIDTH limits of PCI Express Bus! .....if it wasn't for the slow bandwidth, GPU's would be real Monsters!

That's the part that makes PS3 so very unique in it's design. It utilizes Rambus FLEX Bus Interface (fastest in the world) for highways. The potential to push out higher FLOPS is built into the system.

Now in the PS3, we have Cell BE (broadband engiine) and RSX GPU. The symbiotic relationship is returned, but they are reversed types now for the two purposes (wave of the future). The CPU is an Asymmetric Multi-core (GPU's are asymmetric by nature and highly Parallel). Meaning both types of chips are on the same core separated by the EIB Ring Bus. That RingBus is responsible for integrating the two different types of chips data flow with each other. It does this very well with bandwidth speeds ranging from 200GB/s to 380GB/s. Mating Vector core SPU's with the Scaler Core PPU and pushing DMA Memory to and from both chips and XDR Modules.

Across the road from Cell, we have the RSX GPU. Now Rambus designed the EIB for Cell and every part in that pipeline must have a Rambus designed interface. The thinking is that RSX has a some type of Ring Bus as well. Interconnects are then extremely fast and most likely faster than PC GPU's w/the same Scaler Processors(G80). *(remember this is rumor only, but is supported by Sony's extreme claim of 1.8 TFLOPS for RSX)

Which makes sense then, is PS3 has two Xtremely well matched (symbiotic) chips that have basically switched places from traditional PC structures (Vector CPU, Scaler GPU on PS3). Again mating up these two chips is the FLEXiO with the capability to push over 60GB/s of Total Bandwidth between the main processor (Cell) and the Co-Processor RSX. So PCI-Express with just 4GB/s to and from the GPU is really limiting these chip's power on PC's and is part of what makes up the FLOPS number people are quoting on PC/GPU.

Not only that, the new fuzzy logic (or Artificial Neural Network) on at least the Cell (possibly RSX too) makes it a Second Generation NoC (Network on Chip - Broadband Engine). The first generation NoC was PS2's Emotion Engine and Intel's 80 core chip will be a NoC as well (Broadband Core logic Interconnects are fast).

So as you see the Bandwidth between Cell BE and it's RSX GPU flat out kicks Butt!!

The best of this equation though, is both chips can really work together almost as if they were on the same chip substrate. If a job is done better on Cell BE's Vector Cores (like casting rays), that's where you can push that job. If the compute job is done better on a Scaler, that's where you can have it done.

The entire motherboard in PS3 was designed for Broadband it holds many secrets we have yet to uncover. But it is completely designed with Broadband in mind. This includes some compensation devices to keep the metal pathways and chips from literally vibrating to pieces (being eaten up) from EMI - ElectroMagnetic Interference. These devices on PS3 are newly designed NEC Proadlizers (located below main chips). Which are like capacitors that draw the EMI off the board, preventing any destruction of metal parts from EMI. This damage is caused from the extremely fast bandwidth speeds shutting on and off, changing frequency speeds, etc!

So there you have it the possible reason the best is yet to come for the PS3! ;)

One last thing. Remember when Kutaragi said PS3 was Upgradeable? .....it is! Cell BE can do 3.2GHz and 4GHz. The XDR Memory Modules can also do those two speeds along with XiO Memory Bus and the EIB can run speeds to match. The base frequency of the EIB is half that of PPU Core. But it's effective rate is then double data rate = same speed as the PPU core. The whole Motherboard and chips become an Extremely Fast Streamlined Communications Network!

RSX then has the potential to exceed the FLOPS that are normally there in a PC GPU and CPU!!!
Graphics and Computing Nirvana!!! ....and 1.8 TFLOPS becomes very possible indeed!!!

[QUOTE="Frozzik"]

hey, i bet in 2005 or whenever that was the PS3's theoretical power was the best ever. Its now 2009, things have moved on, if you honestly think n vidia still haven't surpassed the RSX years later you are more stupid than i thought.

Really, they claimed the ps3 was more powerfull than 2x6800 in sli, back then this was, WOW, OMG, thats amazing. Now even budget cards beat that lol.

faultline187

Its not only the graphics card its the way the whole system has been build!!!im sure you dont have ram that runs at 3.2gz and youi dont have cell NOC network on a chip!...What game on your PC loads once and never loads again through the whole game?8)

The Hypervisor in virtulization mode they can made RSX look like whatever they want!

Look, i dont care about numbers or hype or flashy sounding gizmo's. I care about games and graphics (aswell as gameplay) and what i can actually see with my own 2 eye's. What i see is my PS3 hooked up to a 40" 1080 tv, alongside it, a PC that cost 200 pounds more. My PS3 doesn't play games above 720p, has little AA little AF and struggles to get more than 30 fps on most games. Added to that load times are long on many games. My pc however plays ALL games at 1080p with 2-8xAA, 8-16xAF and 30-60fps not to mention sharper more detailed textures and faster load times.

Now, if all you say is true shouldn't the PS3 be equal to my PC, shouldn't it surpass my PC? If like you say its just a matter of time then surely this thread should actually be attacking sony and its Ps3 not praising it. I mean i for one wouldn't go buy a ferrari and have to wait 3 or 4 years before i get to actually witness the performance i was promised by the salesman.

[QUOTE="Frozzik"]

hey, i bet in 2005 or whenever that was the PS3's theoretical power was the best ever. Its now 2009, things have moved on, if you honestly think n vidia still haven't surpassed the RSX years later you are more stupid than i thought.

Really, they claimed the ps3 was more powerfull than 2x6800 in sli, back then this was, WOW, OMG, thats amazing. Now even budget cards beat that lol.

faultline187

Here's the Problem with GPU based systems on PC's. First of all, GPU's (like G80) have moved to more general purpose scaler processors. They are good at crunching numbers in certain tasks faster than CPU Scalers though (Special Purpose) and now both of them being Scaler Processors makes it so any vector type calculations must be emulated. Scalers can do that, but not nearly as well as true Vector Processors like those in older GPU's and Cell BE SPU's.

So old systems with the GPU using vector chips and CPU's using Scalers, had a kind of symbiotic relationship! ....Now with both the same they aren't as efficient (more jobs have to be emulated). But the main problem, is the BANDWIDTH limits of PCI Express Bus! .....if it wasn't for the slow bandwidth, GPU's would be real Monsters!

That's the part that makes PS3 so very unique in it's design. It utilizes Rambus FLEX Bus Interface (fastest in the world) for highways. The potential to push out higher FLOPS is built into the system.

Now in the PS3, we have Cell BE (broadband engiine) and RSX GPU. The symbiotic relationship is returned, but they are reversed types now for the two purposes (wave of the future). The CPU is an Asymmetric Multi-core (GPU's are asymmetric by nature and highly Parallel). Meaning both types of chips are on the same core separated by the EIB Ring Bus. That RingBus is responsible for integrating the two different types of chips data flow with each other. It does this very well with bandwidth speeds ranging from 200GB/s to 380GB/s. Mating Vector core SPU's with the Scaler Core PPU and pushing DMA Memory to and from both chips and XDR Modules.

Across the road from Cell, we have the RSX GPU. Now Rambus designed the EIB for Cell and every part in that pipeline must have a Rambus designed interface. The thinking is that RSX has a some type of Ring Bus as well. Interconnects are then extremely fast and most likely faster than PC GPU's w/the same Scaler Processors(G80). *(remember this is rumor only, but is supported by Sony's extreme claim of 1.8 TFLOPS for RSX)

Which makes sense then, is PS3 has two Xtremely well matched (symbiotic) chips that have basically switched places from traditional PC structures (Vector CPU, Scaler GPU on PS3). Again mating up these two chips is the FLEXiO with the capability to push over 60GB/s of Total Bandwidth between the main processor (Cell) and the Co-Processor RSX. So PCI-Express with just 4GB/s to and from the GPU is really limiting these chip's power on PC's and is part of what makes up the FLOPS number people are quoting on PC/GPU.

Not only that, the new fuzzy logic (or Artificial Neural Network) on at least the Cell (possibly RSX too) makes it a Second Generation NoC (Network on Chip - Broadband Engine). The first generation NoC was PS2's Emotion Engine and Intel's 80 core chip will be a NoC as well (Broadband Core logic Interconnects are fast).

So as you see the Bandwidth between Cell BE and it's RSX GPU flat out kicks Butt!!

The best of this equation though, is both chips can really work together almost as if they were on the same chip substrate. If a job is done better on Cell BE's Vector Cores (like casting rays), that's where you can push that job. If the compute job is done better on a Scaler, that's where you can have it done.

The entire motherboard in PS3 was designed for Broadband it holds many secrets we have yet to uncover. But it is completely designed with Broadband in mind. This includes some compensation devices to keep the metal pathways and chips from literally vibrating to pieces (being eaten up) from EMI - ElectroMagnetic Interference. These devices on PS3 are newly designed NEC Proadlizers (located below main chips). Which are like capacitors that draw the EMI off the board, preventing any destruction of metal parts from EMI. This damage is caused from the extremely fast bandwidth speeds shutting on and off, changing frequency speeds, etc!

So there you have it the possible reason the best is yet to come for the PS3! ;)

One last thing. Remember when Kutaragi said PS3 was Upgradeable? .....it is! Cell BE can do 3.2GHz and 4GHz. The XDR Memory Modules can also do those two speeds along with XiO Memory Bus and the EIB can run speeds to match. The base frequency of the EIB is half that of PPU Core. But it's effective rate is then double data rate = same speed as the PPU core. The whole Motherboard and chips become an Extremely Fast Streamlined Communications Network!

RSX then has the potential to exceed the FLOPS that are normally there in a PC GPU and CPU!!!
Graphics and Computing Nirvana!!! ....and 1.8 TFLOPS becomes very possible indeed!!!

[QUOTE="faultline187"][QUOTE="Frozzik"]

hey, i bet in 2005 or whenever that was the PS3's theoretical power was the best ever. Its now 2009, things have moved on, if you honestly think n vidia still haven't surpassed the RSX years later you are more stupid than i thought.

Really, they claimed the ps3 was more powerfull than 2x6800 in sli, back then this was, WOW, OMG, thats amazing. Now even budget cards beat that lol.

Frozzik

Its not only the graphics card its the way the whole system has been build!!!im sure you dont have ram that runs at 3.2gz and youi dont have cell NOC network on a chip!...What game on your PC loads once and never loads again through the whole game?8)

The Hypervisor in virtulization mode they can made RSX look like whatever they want!

Look, i dont care about numbers or hype or flashy sounding gizmo's. I care about games and graphics (aswell as gameplay) and what i can actually see with my own 2 eye's. What i see is my PS3 hooked up to a 40" 1080 tv, alongside it, a PC that cost 200 pounds more. My PS3 doesn't play games above 720p, has little AA little AF and struggles to get more than 30 fps on most games. Added to that load times are long on many games. My pc however plays ALL games at 1080p with 2-8xAA, 8-16xAF and 30-60fps not to mention sharper more detailed textures and faster load times.

Now, if all you say is true shouldn't the PS3 be equal to my PC, shouldn't it surpass my PC? If like you say its just a matter of time then surely this thread should actually be attacking sony and its Ps3 not praising it. I mean i for one wouldn't go buy a ferrari and have to wait 3 or 4 years before i get to actually witness the performance i was promised by the salesman.

[QUOTE="faultline187"][QUOTE="Frozzik"]

hey, i bet in 2005 or whenever that was the PS3's theoretical power was the best ever. Its now 2009, things have moved on, if you honestly think n vidia still haven't surpassed the RSX years later you are more stupid than i thought.

Really, they claimed the ps3 was more powerfull than 2x6800 in sli, back then this was, WOW, OMG, thats amazing. Now even budget cards beat that lol.

Dynafrom

Here's the Problem with GPU based systems on PC's. First of all, GPU's (like G80) have moved to more general purpose scaler processors. They are good at crunching numbers in certain tasks faster than CPU Scalers though (Special Purpose) and now both of them being Scaler Processors makes it so any vector type calculations must be emulated. Scalers can do that, but not nearly as well as true Vector Processors like those in older GPU's and Cell BE SPU's.

So old systems with the GPU using vector chips and CPU's using Scalers, had a kind of symbiotic relationship! ....Now with both the same they aren't as efficient (more jobs have to be emulated). But the main problem, is the BANDWIDTH limits of PCI Express Bus! .....if it wasn't for the slow bandwidth, GPU's would be real Monsters!

That's the part that makes PS3 so very unique in it's design. It utilizes Rambus FLEX Bus Interface (fastest in the world) for highways. The potential to push out higher FLOPS is built into the system.

Now in the PS3, we have Cell BE (broadband engiine) and RSX GPU. The symbiotic relationship is returned, but they are reversed types now for the two purposes (wave of the future). The CPU is an Asymmetric Multi-core (GPU's are asymmetric by nature and highly Parallel). Meaning both types of chips are on the same core separated by the EIB Ring Bus. That RingBus is responsible for integrating the two different types of chips data flow with each other. It does this very well with bandwidth speeds ranging from 200GB/s to 380GB/s. Mating Vector core SPU's with the Scaler Core PPU and pushing DMA Memory to and from both chips and XDR Modules.

Across the road from Cell, we have the RSX GPU. Now Rambus designed the EIB for Cell and every part in that pipeline must have a Rambus designed interface. The thinking is that RSX has a some type of Ring Bus as well. Interconnects are then extremely fast and most likely faster than PC GPU's w/the same Scaler Processors(G80). *(remember this is rumor only, but is supported by Sony's extreme claim of 1.8 TFLOPS for RSX)

Which makes sense then, is PS3 has two Xtremely well matched (symbiotic) chips that have basically switched places from traditional PC structures (Vector CPU, Scaler GPU on PS3). Again mating up these two chips is the FLEXiO with the capability to push over 60GB/s of Total Bandwidth between the main processor (Cell) and the Co-Processor RSX. So PCI-Express with just 4GB/s to and from the GPU is really limiting these chip's power on PC's and is part of what makes up the FLOPS number people are quoting on PC/GPU.

Not only that, the new fuzzy logic (or Artificial Neural Network) on at least the Cell (possibly RSX too) makes it a Second Generation NoC (Network on Chip - Broadband Engine). The first generation NoC was PS2's Emotion Engine and Intel's 80 core chip will be a NoC as well (Broadband Core logic Interconnects are fast).

So as you see the Bandwidth between Cell BE and it's RSX GPU flat out kicks Butt!!

The best of this equation though, is both chips can really work together almost as if they were on the same chip substrate. If a job is done better on Cell BE's Vector Cores (like casting rays), that's where you can push that job. If the compute job is done better on a Scaler, that's where you can have it done.

The entire motherboard in PS3 was designed for Broadband it holds many secrets we have yet to uncover. But it is completely designed with Broadband in mind. This includes some compensation devices to keep the metal pathways and chips from literally vibrating to pieces (being eaten up) from EMI - ElectroMagnetic Interference. These devices on PS3 are newly designed NEC Proadlizers (located below main chips). Which are like capacitors that draw the EMI off the board, preventing any destruction of metal parts from EMI. This damage is caused from the extremely fast bandwidth speeds shutting on and off, changing frequency speeds, etc!

So there you have it the possible reason the best is yet to come for the PS3! ;)

One last thing. Remember when Kutaragi said PS3 was Upgradeable? .....it is! Cell BE can do 3.2GHz and 4GHz. The XDR Memory Modules can also do those two speeds along with XiO Memory Bus and the EIB can run speeds to match. The base frequency of the EIB is half that of PPU Core. But it's effective rate is then double data rate = same speed as the PPU core. The whole Motherboard and chips become an Extremely Fast Streamlined Communications Network!

RSX then has the potential to exceed the FLOPS that are normally there in a PC GPU and CPU!!!
Graphics and Computing Nirvana!!! ....and 1.8 TFLOPS becomes very possible indeed!!!

[QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"][QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]

multiplat games on ps3 are based on gpu rendering only but exclusives are rendered with both the gpu and the cell. Im sure if it wasnt for the cell, games like kz2, uncharted, mgs4, etc, wouldnt have a chance to look like that.

so in reality ps3 is capable of rendering graphics far beyond than what its gpu specs show. This is the part where everyone in this thread failed to understand how the ps3 design works.

faultline187

MAKE A bet?

All games will be Real Time Procedurally Rendered from Sony.

Oh and whats the difference with ASYMETRICAL AND SYMETRICAL systems? hehehehehehehe

U got no idea, its gona smack people in the face LOL

Look i'm not arguing, i know what i see. You PS3 fanboys can believe what you want, go look at GS graphics comparison, read what they say about PC vs PS3. I know what i see. I'm not going to argue that killzone isn't a fine looking game, just a shame PS3 isn't able to run it how a Pc would.

[QUOTE="faultline187"][QUOTE="Frozzik"]

hey, i bet in 2005 or whenever that was the PS3's theoretical power was the best ever. Its now 2009, things have moved on, if you honestly think n vidia still haven't surpassed the RSX years later you are more stupid than i thought.

Really, they claimed the ps3 was more powerfull than 2x6800 in sli, back then this was, WOW, OMG, thats amazing. Now even budget cards beat that lol.

Dynafrom

Here's the Problem with GPU based systems on PC's. First of all, GPU's (like G80) have moved to more general purpose scaler processors. They are good at crunching numbers in certain tasks faster than CPU Scalers though (Special Purpose) and now both of them being Scaler Processors makes it so any vector type calculations must be emulated. Scalers can do that, but not nearly as well as true Vector Processors like those in older GPU's and Cell BE SPU's.

So old systems with the GPU using vector chips and CPU's using Scalers, had a kind of symbiotic relationship! ....Now with both the same they aren't as efficient (more jobs have to be emulated). But the main problem, is the BANDWIDTH limits of PCI Express Bus! .....if it wasn't for the slow bandwidth, GPU's would be real Monsters!

That's the part that makes PS3 so very unique in it's design. It utilizes Rambus FLEX Bus Interface (fastest in the world) for highways. The potential to push out higher FLOPS is built into the system.

Now in the PS3, we have Cell BE (broadband engiine) and RSX GPU. The symbiotic relationship is returned, but they are reversed types now for the two purposes (wave of the future). The CPU is an Asymmetric Multi-core (GPU's are asymmetric by nature and highly Parallel). Meaning both types of chips are on the same core separated by the EIB Ring Bus. That RingBus is responsible for integrating the two different types of chips data flow with each other. It does this very well with bandwidth speeds ranging from 200GB/s to 380GB/s. Mating Vector core SPU's with the Scaler Core PPU and pushing DMA Memory to and from both chips and XDR Modules.

Across the road from Cell, we have the RSX GPU. Now Rambus designed the EIB for Cell and every part in that pipeline must have a Rambus designed interface. The thinking is that RSX has a some type of Ring Bus as well. Interconnects are then extremely fast and most likely faster than PC GPU's w/the same Scaler Processors(G80). *(remember this is rumor only, but is supported by Sony's extreme claim of 1.8 TFLOPS for RSX)

Which makes sense then, is PS3 has two Xtremely well matched (symbiotic) chips that have basically switched places from traditional PC structures (Vector CPU, Scaler GPU on PS3). Again mating up these two chips is the FLEXiO with the capability to push over 60GB/s of Total Bandwidth between the main processor (Cell) and the Co-Processor RSX. So PCI-Express with just 4GB/s to and from the GPU is really limiting these chip's power on PC's and is part of what makes up the FLOPS number people are quoting on PC/GPU.

Not only that, the new fuzzy logic (or Artificial Neural Network) on at least the Cell (possibly RSX too) makes it a Second Generation NoC (Network on Chip - Broadband Engine). The first generation NoC was PS2's Emotion Engine and Intel's 80 core chip will be a NoC as well (Broadband Core logic Interconnects are fast).

So as you see the Bandwidth between Cell BE and it's RSX GPU flat out kicks Butt!!

The best of this equation though, is both chips can really work together almost as if they were on the same chip substrate. If a job is done better on Cell BE's Vector Cores (like casting rays), that's where you can push that job. If the compute job is done better on a Scaler, that's where you can have it done.

The entire motherboard in PS3 was designed for Broadband it holds many secrets we have yet to uncover. But it is completely designed with Broadband in mind. This includes some compensation devices to keep the metal pathways and chips from literally vibrating to pieces (being eaten up) from EMI - ElectroMagnetic Interference. These devices on PS3 are newly designed NEC Proadlizers (located below main chips). Which are like capacitors that draw the EMI off the board, preventing any destruction of metal parts from EMI. This damage is caused from the extremely fast bandwidth speeds shutting on and off, changing frequency speeds, etc!

So there you have it the possible reason the best is yet to come for the PS3! ;)

One last thing. Remember when Kutaragi said PS3 was Upgradeable? .....it is! Cell BE can do 3.2GHz and 4GHz. The XDR Memory Modules can also do those two speeds along with XiO Memory Bus and the EIB can run speeds to match. The base frequency of the EIB is half that of PPU Core. But it's effective rate is then double data rate = same speed as the PPU core. The whole Motherboard and chips become an Extremely Fast Streamlined Communications Network!

RSX then has the potential to exceed the FLOPS that are normally there in a PC GPU and CPU!!!
Graphics and Computing Nirvana!!! ....and 1.8 TFLOPS becomes very possible indeed!!!

Actually ur wrong! send me the link from google then

Look i'm not arguing, i know what i see. You PS3 fanboys can believe what you want, go look at GS graphics comparison, read what they say about PC vs PS3. I know what i see. I'm not going to argue that killzone isn't a fine looking game, just a shame PS3 isn't able to run it how a Pc would.

Frozzik

Look im not arguing either...Ps3 is doing things it never aparantly was suppose to...and its still moving forward! thats all i see..

its amazing the stuff you see here on system wars. I mean i like to think the bulk of us, myself included, just love to play games and apreciate great looking games. I like to think the majority of us don't care what system these gamers are on. You fanboys however really give me a laugh, really, thanks ever so much, you making a slow and boring night at work go so much faster, and with a smile may i add.Frozzik

1st of all, i own 3 systems and although i like my 3fixme and my pc, ps3 is the most unique, unexplored system of them all.

Im only a casual gamer, i must say i do work alot and have very little time for games. Although in my spare time i may play for 1 hour or 2 max.

Im not a fanboy of anykind.....i just give credit to wer credit is due!

Look i'm not arguing, i know what i see. You PS3 fanboys can believe what you want, go look at GS graphics comparison, read what they say about PC vs PS3. I know what i see. I'm not going to argue that killzone isn't a fine looking game, just a shame PS3 isn't able to run it how a Pc would.

Frozzik

Im not a fanboy of anykind.....i just give credit to wer credit is due!faultline187

[QUOTE="Frozzik"]

Look i'm not arguing, i know what i see. You PS3 fanboys can believe what you want, go look at GS graphics comparison, read what they say about PC vs PS3. I know what i see. I'm not going to argue that killzone isn't a fine looking game, just a shame PS3 isn't able to run it how a Pc would.

Adrian_Cloud

Because ther pc fanboys and nothing ever is going to replace ther beloved PC....

[QUOTE="Frozzik"]

Look i'm not arguing, i know what i see. You PS3 fanboys can believe what you want, go look at GS graphics comparison, read what they say about PC vs PS3. I know what i see. I'm not going to argue that killzone isn't a fine looking game, just a shame PS3 isn't able to run it how a Pc would.

Adrian_Cloud

its amazing the stuff you see here on system wars. I mean i like to think the bulk of us, myself included, just love to play games and apreciate great looking games. I like to think the majority of us don't care what system these gamers are on. You fanboys however really give me a laugh, really, thanks ever so much, you making a slow and boring night at work go so much faster, and with a smile may i add.Frozzik

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="Frozzik"]

Look i'm not arguing, i know what i see. You PS3 fanboys can believe what you want, go look at GS graphics comparison, read what they say about PC vs PS3. I know what i see. I'm not going to argue that killzone isn't a fine looking game, just a shame PS3 isn't able to run it how a Pc would.

faultline187

Because ther pc fanboys and nothing ever is going to replace ther beloved PC....

[QUOTE="Frozzik"]

Look i'm not arguing, i know what i see. You PS3 fanboys can believe what you want, go look at GS graphics comparison, read what they say about PC vs PS3. I know what i see. I'm not going to argue that killzone isn't a fine looking game, just a shame PS3 isn't able to run it how a Pc would.

Adrian_Cloud

Yes i'm new to console gaming.........Don't make me laugh, i have been gaming since the pong days and ownwd almost every console made. I'm actually rather new to PC gaming.Very, very few, graphically intensive games run any higher than 720p and 30fps on a PS3. Is that better for you? This will no doubt include Killzone and Uncharted 2. To say Killzone looks better than many PC games could well be true, i'll comment once i have played it. Fact is it will still be 720p and does not mean PS3 is as powerfull as a pc. I can max out every single game i own bar 2 (crysis and clear skies) at 1920x1080 and get between 30-60 fps on last gen pc hardware, 8800 gts. New cards eat mine alive but dont really make these games look any better.

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="Frozzik"]

Look i'm not arguing, i know what i see. You PS3 fanboys can believe what you want, go look at GS graphics comparison, read what they say about PC vs PS3. I know what i see. I'm not going to argue that killzone isn't a fine looking game, just a shame PS3 isn't able to run it how a Pc would.

McdonaIdsGuy

[QUOTE="faultline187"]Im not a fanboy of anykind.....i just give credit to wer credit is due!McdonaIdsGuy

No offence taken :)

Its just that im sick to death of people i talk to on forums telling me that my game runs this resolution and it runs at these frames! Give the system a chance before you knock it...because it will knock you back trust me i know!

Alot of the information i know about on this particular system is not just of the internet i can assure you!

DX15 may be able to touch ps3 when its ready to Display!

Believe me or not it is inevitable.

[QUOTE="Frozzik"]its amazing the stuff you see here on system wars. I mean i like to think the bulk of us, myself included, just love to play games and apreciate great looking games. I like to think the majority of us don't care what system these gamers are on. You fanboys however really give me a laugh, really, thanks ever so much, you making a slow and boring night at work go so much faster, and with a smile may i add.DAZZER7

You forgot particle effects that have never been seen before in a game on any platform

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="Frozzik"]

Look i'm not arguing, i know what i see. You PS3 fanboys can believe what you want, go look at GS graphics comparison, read what they say about PC vs PS3. I know what i see. I'm not going to argue that killzone isn't a fine looking game, just a shame PS3 isn't able to run it how a Pc would.

Frozzik

Yes i'm new to console gaming.........Don't make me laugh, i have been gaming since the pong days and ownwd almost every console made. I'm actually rather new to PC gaming.Very, very few, graphically intensive games run any higher than 720p and 30fps on a PS3. Is that better for you? This will no doubt include Killzone and Uncharted 2. To say Killzone looks better than many PC games could well be true, i'll comment once i have played it. Fact is it will still be 720p and does not mean PS3 is as powerfull as a pc. I can max out every single game i own bar 2 (crysis and clear skies) at 1920x1080 and get between 30-60 fps on last gen pc hardware, 8800 gts. New cards eat mine alive but dont really make these games look any better.

[QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"][QUOTE="faultline187"]Im not a fanboy of anykind.....i just give credit to wer credit is due!faultline187

No offence taken :)

Its just that im sick to death of people i talk to on forums telling me that my game runs this resolution and it runs at these frames! Give the system a chance before you knock it...because it will knock you back trust me i know!

Alot of the information i know about on this particular system is not just of the internet i can assure you!

DX15 may be able to touch ps3 when its ready to Display!

Believe me or not it is inevitable.

[QUOTE="faultline187"]

[QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"] No offence but doesn't look like..McdonaIdsGuy

No offence taken :)

Its just that im sick to death of people i talk to on forums telling me that my game runs this resolution and it runs at these frames! Give the system a chance before you knock it...because it will knock you back trust me i know!

Alot of the information i know about on this particular system is not just of the internet i can assure you!

DX15 may be able to touch ps3 when its ready to Display!

Believe me or not it is inevitable.

I will take you up on that offer...hey and if it dosn't happen ill buy you a cheeseburger..how bout that? ;)

@Mcdonaldsguy

And please stop comparing every game to crysis...it really isnt that special :)

@Mcdonaldsguy

And please stop comparing every game to crysis...it really isnt that special :)

faultline187

[QUOTE="faultline187"]

@Mcdonaldsguy

And please stop comparing every game to crysis...it really isnt that special :)

McdonaIdsGuy

Well in my eyes personally, and i do own crysis, killzone's art style/direction is CGI like, i do believe they came very close to the target render. You do know that crysis is being made for ps3 right? despite what you read....

You do know why you need 8gig of ram on your PC too!

Vista dosnt come close to linux! Opengl accelerated desktop

WATCH

try run a game with 512mb on your pc..see how far u get!

You do know that crysis is being made for ps3 right? despite what you read....

faultline187

Oh god he's one of those...

[QUOTE="faultline187"]

You do know that crysis is being made for ps3 right? despite what you read....

AnnoyedDragon

Oh god he's one of those...

ROFL, i know, just when you thought he'd done and said enough to lose all credibility he says that, that and the 8gig thing lol. Great entertainment.

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"][QUOTE="faultline187"]

You do know that crysis is being made for ps3 right? despite what you read....

Frozzik

Oh god he's one of those...

ROFL, i know, just when you thought he'd done and said enough to lose all credibility he says that, that and the 8gig thing lol. Great entertainment.

....Yep, Saving this Thread for future laughs.:lol:

[QUOTE="Frozzik"][QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

Oh god he's one of those...

Krayzie_3334

ROFL, i know, just when you thought he'd done and said enough to lose all credibility he says that, that and the 8gig thing lol. Great entertainment.

....Yep, Saving this Thread for future laughs.:lol:

So you are ignoring the fact that the base G70 chipset does not support Open GL 3 then? No G70 based PC card can do Open GL 3, yet the RSX can. Im not saying that its a G80 and can do DX10. But from the fact that it can use Open GL 3 tells me that it is more advanced then regular G70. It must in fact be like the 360's GPU, which was the precursor to the R600 chipset which is used today. That isn't saying that it is a R600, but it has SOME of the functionality of the R600. The RSX isn't a G80, but it was the precursor for it and can very likely have some of its functions and ability. trasherhead

[QUOTE="DAZZER7"][QUOTE="Frozzik"]its amazing the stuff you see here on system wars. I mean i like to think the bulk of us, myself included, just love to play games and apreciate great looking games. I like to think the majority of us don't care what system these gamers are on. You fanboys however really give me a laugh, really, thanks ever so much, you making a slow and boring night at work go so much faster, and with a smile may i add.faultline187

You forgot particle effects that have never been seen before in a game on any platform

ps3's api is open gl es

http://www.khronos.org/opengles/

ps3's api is open gl es

http://www.khronos.org/opengles/

smokedope420

notice the picture of the ps3 console on opengl page?

[QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="trasherhead"] So you are ignoring the fact that the base G70 chipset does not support Open GL 3 then? No G70 based PC card can do Open GL 3, yet the RSX can. Im not saying that its a G80 and can do DX10. But from the fact that it can use Open GL 3 tells me that it is more advanced then regular G70. It must in fact be like the 360's GPU, which was the precursor to the R600 chipset which is used today. That isn't saying that it is a R600, but it has SOME of the functionality of the R600. The RSX isn't a G80, but it was the precursor for it and can very likely have some of its functions and ability. trasherhead

PS3 doesn't have OpenGL ES, it has PSGL. It's not an offical OpenGL implementation since it's not certified, and it also has extra bits added in that are specific to the PS3.

See this thread, specifically this post by DeanA (works for SCEE).
Teufelhuhn

rsx supports all the same stuff as a real g70/g71 chip.

dx9c/open gl 1.5 if i remember.

sony use's open gl es to make their games

OpenGL® ES is a royalty-free, cross-platform API for full-function 2D and 3D graphics on embedded systems - including consoles, phones, appliances and vehicles. It consists of well-defined subsets of desktop OpenGL

sony use's open gl es to make their games

smokedope420

OpenGL® ES is a royalty-free, cross-platform API for full-function 2D and 3D graphics on embedded systems - including consoles, phones, appliances and vehicles. It consists of well-defined subsets of desktop OpenGL

smokedope420

sony could use dx9 to make their ps3 games...but it's microsoft so they arent gonna use it and chose to use free api not made by microsoft.

lol i seen ps3 developers/warhawk say we use open gl es.

rsx still supports dx9c/open gl 1.5 like it's desktop counter parts

you think they are gonna totally redesign the chip to take out the support?

open gl es is mobile/console development api

open 1.5 is for desktop.

i dont think i know all but i know rsx is based on the 7800 gtx architecture and i highly doubt they would go through all the trouble to remove dx9c and open gl 1.5 support.

LOL you couldnt run open gl es without 1.5 support.

open gl es is just a simplified desktop open gl for mobility/console development.

xbox360's uses custum api because the gpu is dx9 but also supports some features found in dx10.

Look i'm not arguing, i know what i see. You PS3 fanboys can believe what you want, go look at GS graphics comparison, read what they say about PC vs PS3. I know what i see. I'm not going to argue that killzone isn't a fine looking game, just a shame PS3 isn't able to run it how a Pc would.

Look im not arguing either...Ps3 is doing things it never aparantly was suppose to...and its still moving forward! thats all i see..