Rumour: The Xbox One is getting an upgrade GPU and RAM?

[QUOTE="NathanDrakeSwag"]

:lol: what a fvcking disaster of a console. 4 months from launch and they still don't know what to do.

Raziel831991

This, the final specs of the ps4 were known since february, I dont know wtf is Microsoft doing.

[QUOTE="mprince131"]

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] You see but the thing is its not just "some people". Its the overwhelming majority. What you just said is like saying "why remove DRM? Its what makes it different from the other consoles and to remove it just cause some people dont think its useful is just silly." lol.bigbaldwolf86

How do you come to the conculusion that it is the overwhelming majority? Even if everyone on here hated Kinect being included, which isn't the case anyway, it wouldn't be the overwhelming majority. Remember, Kinect is the reasons for 360 resurgance in many markets on top of the fact that 24+ million have bought one. Remember these forums are only a tiny fraction of the population. People tend to feel so strongly against kinect because knee jerk reactions are a thing of the interwebs. 

To be fair. 24 million sales don't mean that all of those people liked Kinect either. I bought it and it quickly became an ornament. A lot of people don't like it or don't want to try it because of how poorly the current one was used, supported etc. The main issue with Kinect seems to be that it's pushing the price up above the PS4 and that's a deal breaker. If MS had not made in mandatory and given people the freedom to choose by releasing 2 bundles they could have made a lot of people happier.

I know they want Kinect as standard so that devs know everyone has one and can develop for it but we risk having it shoe horned onto so many games that don't necessarily need it. I don't want to shout orders for troops at my TV and I don't want to jump around like an idiot. I just want my console and my controller.

The Kinect is in there whether people like it or not. People bough the PS3 despite it costing more than the 360 for the majority of the generation. People would've traded the blu-ray drive for a lower priced PS3 at launch. I don't think it is a deal breaker. You're not going to be shouting orders at your troops if you dont want to or jumping up and down if you don't want to, but the hardware will be there for people who don't mind. You may not see the utility in having kinect included yet, but by it being included it will encourage developers to create those reasons to own it. Manufacturers need to differentiate their offerings and if the generation passes by and you find one useful reason for having a kinect then it was worth it.

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[QUOTE="bigbaldwolf86"]

[QUOTE="mprince131"]

 

To be fair. 24 million sales don't mean that all of those people liked Kinect either. I bought it and it quickly became an ornament. A lot of people don't like it or don't want to try it because of how poorly the current one was used, supported etc. The main issue with Kinect seems to be that it's pushing the price up above the PS4 and that's a deal breaker. If MS had not made in mandatory and given people the freedom to choose by releasing 2 bundles they could have made a lot of people happier.

I know they want Kinect as standard so that devs know everyone has one and can develop for it but we risk having it shoe horned onto so many games that don't necessarily need it. I don't want to shout orders for troops at my TV and I don't want to jump around like an idiot. I just want my console and my controller.

mprince131

The Kinect is in there whether people like it or not. People bough the PS3 despite it costing more than the 360 for the majority of the generation. People would've traded the blu-ray drive for a lower priced PS3 at launch. I don't think it is a deal breaker. You're not going to be shouting orders at your troops if you dont want to or jumping up and down if you don't want to, but the hardware will be there for people who don't mind. You may not see the utility in having kinect included yet, but by it being included it will encourage developers to create those reasons to own it. Manufacturers need to differentiate their offerings and if the generation passes by and you find one useful reason for having a kinect then it was worth it.

Despite my  personal opinions and experiances with Kinect I hope you are right to a degree. As I said in my post there is a danger that Kinect could just be whacked onto any game that doesn't need it but if developers can get creative then I expect we will see some great games for it in a few years. If everyone takes the safe option then it's just another Kinect. We will have to see how devs use it over the next few years to see if it was a good idea to have it in the box at launch

Yea i highly doubt this.

[QUOTE="mprince131"]

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] You see but the thing is its not just "some people". Its the overwhelming majority. What you just said is like saying "why remove DRM? Its what makes it different from the other consoles and to remove it just cause some people dont think its useful is just silly." lol.bigbaldwolf86

How do you come to the conculusion that it is the overwhelming majority? Even if everyone on here hated Kinect being included, which isn't the case anyway, it wouldn't be the overwhelming majority. Remember, Kinect is the reasons for 360 resurgance in many markets on top of the fact that 24+ million have bought one. Remember these forums are only a tiny fraction of the population. People tend to feel so strongly against kinect because knee jerk reactions are a thing of the interwebs. 

To be fair. 24 million sales don't mean that all of those people liked Kinect either. I bought it and it quickly became an ornament. A lot of people don't like it or don't want to try it because of how poorly the current one was used, supported etc. The main issue with Kinect seems to be that it's pushing the price up above the PS4 and that's a deal breaker. If MS had not made in mandatory and given people the freedom to choose by releasing 2 bundles they could have made a lot of people happier.

I know they want Kinect as standard so that devs know everyone has one and can develop for it but we risk having it shoe horned onto so many games that don't necessarily need it. I don't want to shout orders for troops at my TV and I don't want to jump around like an idiot. I just want my console and my controller.

This is pathetic.Why are they releasing the console,if they don't know what to do with it?

M$ is a joke.

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Sagem28

Oh crikey I bet you're a cracking shiela. 

[QUOTE="Raziel831991"]

[QUOTE="NathanDrakeSwag"]

:lol: what a fvcking disaster of a console. 4 months from launch and they still don't know what to do.

Cuby_Finest

This, the final specs of the ps4 were known since february, I dont know wtf is Microsoft doing.

It did have originally 4gigs of ram but in february 2013 it already had 8gigs of ram so you are wrong

:lol: what a fvcking disaster of a console. 4 months from launch and they still don't know what to do.

NathanDrakeSwag

i can telll they pressed dat panic button 

I thought MS pr said specs didn't really matter?

Whether true or not this latest rumor makes MS look like a company in turmoil that really doesnt have a clue what to do with their new product and who would buy anything from a company in that position??

I never was interested in the xbone but with all these rumors consistantly coming through i'm amazed anybody at all is other than the hardcore fans that can see no wrong no matter the company does.

I thought MS pr said specs didn't really matter?

TorqueHappens08

I thought MS pr said specs didn't really matter?

TorqueHappens08

more ram wont mean a thing without a decent gpu and cpu backing it up, 4 gb of ram are cheap, and would be nothing more than yet another publicity stunt by M$

Oh, you Lems.  So full of spunk and for what reason?  LOL!

bahahahaha so much damage control coming MS

Not that we need it, but we'll take it. Praise Microsoft! ShoulderOfOrion

FAKE

Impossible to change RAM amount and GPU if launch is in November. It would mean redesign the APU and the memory layout. Considering the board already has 16 x 512mb modules, and a giant APU (compared to PS4) , there is no room for more 8 x 512mb memory modules...

Mass production has to start , the latest, in August, no way they could change the design from June to August and produce test units in time.

According to a NeoGAF leak, PS4 production started in June with about 500 units for testing and developer input, increasing to a couple thousands in July, then entering mass production in August.

[QUOTE="Cuby_Finest"][QUOTE="Raziel831991"]

This, the final specs of the ps4 were known since february, I dont know wtf is Microsoft doing.

Raziel831991

It did have originally 4gigs of ram but in february 2013 it already had 8gigs of ram so you are wrong

By now, the console should be in mass production. This is impossible. Major changes would have to be made to the mainboard to make room for extra memory modules.

By now, the console should be in mass production. This is impossible. Major changes would have to be made to the mainboard to make room for extra memory modules.

PinkiePirate

[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"]

By now, the console should be in mass production. This is impossible. Major changes would have to be made to the mainboard to make room for extra memory modules.

Shewgenja

I dont understand why this is a bad thing? MS saw what the competition had and want to make sure that their machine is a competitive as possible. They have plenty of time before the XBOX ONE goes into full production with the launch likely nearly 4 months away.ShoTTyMcNaDeS

By now, the console should be in mass production. This is impossible. Major changes would have to be made to the mainboard to make room for extra memory modules.

PinkiePirate

not necessarily, 360 only entered mass production 69 days before release, but i do get your point. This rumor is pretty close to 0.

I dont understand why this is a bad thing? MS saw what the competition had and want to make sure that their machine is a competitive as possible. They have plenty of time before the XBOX ONE goes into full production with the launch likely nearly 4 months away.ShoTTyMcNaDeS

plenty of time? rofl, learn before talking. if you dont know is better to be quiet than to pass as an idiot.

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"][QUOTE="PinkiePirate"]

By now, the console should be in mass production. This is impossible. Major changes would have to be made to the mainboard to make room for extra memory modules.

Cuby_Finest

By now, the console should be in mass production. This is impossible. Major changes would have to be made to the mainboard to make room for extra memory modules.

PinkiePirate

not necessarily. It could use one 8GB stick and then another 4GB stick.   It depends on the max ram the board is designed to take. 

[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"]

By now, the console should be in mass production. This is impossible. Major changes would have to be made to the mainboard to make room for extra memory modules.

mprince131

not necessarily, 360 only entered mass production 69 days before release, but i do get your point. This rumor is pretty close to 0.

Financially this is completely possible. I don't understand how everyone seems to think otherwise. 

But... TEH CLAUDZZZZ!!!!!!

I could see the memory upgrade, but a GPU is not needed because, NONE of the PS4 games were running at 60fps. Most were running at 30fps and a few were struggling at that rate. This info came from the developer of each game and one developer said their game was running at 25fps but they were hoping to reach 30fps by launch. Compare that to Microsofts booths. NOT ALL games were running on finished consoles but ALL games that were running on finished X1 consoles were running at 60fps.

[QUOTE="rjdofu"][QUOTE="Sagem28"]

All this backpedaling...

Good grief, MS.

I_can_haz

why are they upgrading the hardware? I remember them saying the cloud will make the X1 4 times more powerful than it is.

I could see the memory upgrade, but a GPU is not needed because, NONE of the PS4 games were running at 60fps. Most were running at 30fps and a few were struggling at that rate. This info came from the developer of each game and one developer said their game was running at 25fps but they were hoping to reach 30fps by launch. Compare that to Microsofts booths. NOT ALL games were running on finished consoles but ALL games that were running on finished X1 consoles were running at 60fps.

rrjim1

Wrong. TitanFall was confirmed by DF that it was not running on 60 fps. Forza 5 is a sim racer. 60 fps on a sim must be the norm. Ryse was almost an on-rails game. Killzone SF, on the other hand, looks more open than previous games so 30 fps would be good for it. The only games I dont understand not being 60 fps on the PS4 are DriveClub and knack. Theres no point why games like that wont manage the 60 fps. But then again, they're launch titles.

They had to downclock the GPU to 750Mhz to get acceptable yields, and now a fantasy rumors says they are upclocking it?? Expect a new RRoD then! The eSRAM will be useless above 800mhz, it will just cook along with the GPU.

They had to downclock the GPU to 750Mhz to get acceptable yields, and now a fantasy rumors says they are upclocking it?? Expect a new RRoD then! The eSRAM will be useless above 800mhz, it will just cook along with the GPU.

ManatuBeard

I don't know why but i get the distinct impression that you're totally full of shit, hmmm.

They had to downclock the GPU to 750Mhz to get acceptable yields, and now a fantasy rumors says they are upclocking it?? Expect a new RRoD then! The eSRAM will be useless above 800mhz, it will just cook along with the GPU.

ManatuBeard

Did you see the the X1 internal from Wired? it has like a big heatsink with 120mm fan exaust directly to the top.

[QUOTE="rjdofu"][QUOTE="Sagem28"]

All this backpedaling...

Good grief, MS.

I_can_haz

They had to downclock the GPU to 750Mhz to get acceptable yields, and now a fantasy rumors says they are upclocking it?? Expect a new RRoD then! The eSRAM will be useless above 800mhz, it will just cook along with the GPU.

ManatuBeard

They had to downclock the GPU to 750Mhz to get acceptable yields, and now a fantasy rumors says they are upclocking it?? Expect a new RRoD then! The eSRAM will be useless above 800mhz, it will just cook along with the GPU.

ManatuBeard

This is pathetic.Why are they releasing the console,if they don't know what to do with it?

M$ is a joke.

Praisedasun

[QUOTE="TorqueHappens08"]

I thought MS pr said specs didn't really matter?

Krelian-co

more ram wont mean a thing without a decent gpu and cpu backing it up, 4 gb of ram are cheap, and would be nothing more than yet another publicity stunt by M$

:lol: what a fvcking disaster of a console. 4 months from launch and they still don't know what to do.

NathanDrakeSwag

Can some1 tell me why the f*ck would anyone release a console with 12gb of ram!? PC is far needing this and a console does? INVEST THE ADDITIONAL MONEY ON A BETTER GPU, dumbasses...silversix_