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#501 kcpp2b
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Kcpp2b and I have talked on the subject before, he knows the answers to his questions already.

subrosian

You know what I also found very funny, since you wanna pull stuff out from the past... yes I did make SW Bets based on the cheeseburger bets but I doubt you are now gonna take credit for the idea of taking bets cause MANY bets threads have tried to start up in SW for a LONG time. I was informed of this many many times in SW Bets.

Anywho....back to what I was saying.... you basically said I'm a troll cause of my way of thinking and you have hated SW Bets since forever but I find it funny that since me and SW Bets is helping and feeding trolls and ruining SW somehow that you still asked me to be an Officer in your Avant Gamer Union. Which I accepted then removed myself from after seeing more of your attitude in Posting. Just thought I'd bring up something too

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#502 sonicmj1
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I don't think this forum has really changed all that much in the years I've been here.

In many ways, this place is less inflammatory than it used to be. The biggest change is that there has been a larger crackdown on things like trolling and flaming and OT, and it has been both good and bad. But the way that the forum works has been the same for some time now, and I don't think it'll change without cutting out the vast majority of the posting population, which would eliminate the point for a site like Gamespot to do that.

People have always been focused on the scores and the flops, on trolling for attention, on making favorites threads and matchups and stuff. These threads haven't been being rehashed for months; they've been rehashed for years, just with different games, platforms, fanboy groups, and trolls. The only thing that has changed is that I've realized it. That's just the way this place is, and many of the suggestions won't change it without killing most of it.

I don't like what trolls do, but I like a lot of the OT stuff, and some of my favorite threads ever in SW would probably be considered OT. This isn't because they reward trolling and the grand 'game' of SW, but because they allow posters to get to know each other and respect each other in a way they might not solely through normal discussion. When posters know each other, they post differently than they would when everyone is a stranger. They build a community, and when people feel that they are part of a community, they are less likely to act like idiots.

I really like the intention, and I would like some kind of promised land where everyone posts intelligently about games as much as anybody, but this board won't be where it happens, and your method isn't the way to do it. A minimum poster level (or, at the very least, a minimum topic creator level) would make things better for everyone, though. But if you want to have that fabled board, you'll have to create it yourself. It simply won't happen here.

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#503 AdobeArtist  Moderator
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[QUOTE="astiop"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]Talking isn't going to change the forum. In fact, nothing will. smokeydabear076

I'm Pming the admin and mods to force everyone to use pink text in system wars. I am going to make a difference!

Sorry but I actually used to have that post styl around three years ago :P

But posting in pink sucks :S why would you do that?

Exactly! They put prisoners in pink clothing these days and it does something with them psychologically. System Wars will be rehabilitated!

White is last gen. Pink is next gen :D

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#504 JPOBS
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LMFAO in this cornr we have:

Subrosian:
Much respected (or dismayed) for his long winded, well thought out jargon about internet forums and their continual mprovement

AND IN THIS CORNER we have:

kcpp2b:
Also greatly respected for his work in systemwarsbets. a crowd favorite. one of those guys who probably works for the man becaus ehe has a sticky. Isnt really recognized for much else but his contributions are greatly appriciated.

READY....FIGHT!!!!

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#505 JPOBS
Member since 2007 • 9675 Posts

and I thought it was decided some 200 posts ago that systemwars isnt goign too, nor need to, change? :|
When threads get too long you just tend to run over the same arguments continuously as new enterers bring up already stated rebuttles.

lets let it rest k?

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#506 Jacboy71
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and I thought it was decided some 200 posts ago that systemwars isnt goign too, nor need to, change? :|
When threads get too long you just tend to run over the same arguments continuously as new enterers bring up already stated rebuttles.

lets let it rest k?

JPOBS

Never!!! oh yeah now you must post in pink the system war gods have spoken!!!

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#507 smokeydabear076
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White is last gen. Pink is next gen :D

AdobeArtist
Indeed! We are very close to making System Wars a better place. We just have to assimilate everyone who resistes this change.
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#508 JPOBS
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[QUOTE="JPOBS"]

and I thought it was decided some 200 posts ago that systemwars isnt goign too, nor need to, change? :|
When threads get too long you just tend to run over the same arguments continuously as new enterers bring up already stated rebuttles.

lets let it rest k?

Jacboy71

Never!!! oh yeah now you must post in pink the system war gods have spoken!!!

No. only FrizzyFresh is cool enough to post in pink. All of you are just lamers. Remove it. NOW.
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#510 JPOBS
Member since 2007 • 9675 Posts

Sub wants you to decide I say why bother.... just create a new board that people like Sub can go to and still keep SW and people can choose one or both!

kcpp2b

No need. its called General Games Discussion.

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#511 smokeydabear076
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[QUOTE="Jacboy71"][QUOTE="JPOBS"]

and I thought it was decided some 200 posts ago that systemwars isnt goign too, nor need to, change? :|
When threads get too long you just tend to run over the same arguments continuously as new enterers bring up already stated rebuttles.

lets let it rest k?

JPOBS

Never!!! oh yeah now you must post in pink the system war gods have spoken!!!

No. only FrizzyFresh is cool enough to post in pink. All of you are just lamers. Remove it. NOW.

I will never do that!
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#512 kcpp2b
Member since 2006 • 12498 Posts

LMFAO in this cornr we have:

Subrosian:
Much respected (or dismayed) for his long winded, well thought out jargon about internet forums and their continual mprovement

AND IN THIS CORNER we have:

kcpp2b:
Also greatly respected for his work in systemwarsbets. a crowd favorite. one of those guys who probably works for the man becaus ehe has a sticky. Isnt really recognized for much else but his contributions are greatly appriciated.

READY....FIGHT!!!!

JPOBS

Hey I resent that works for the man part LOL

We asked them to sticky it and they did cause we had more and more traffic coming in. I am a man of the people! lol

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#513 Jacboy71
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[QUOTE="Jacboy71"][QUOTE="JPOBS"]

and I thought it was decided some 200 posts ago that systemwars isnt goign too, nor need to, change? :|
When threads get too long you just tend to run over the same arguments continuously as new enterers bring up already stated rebuttles.

lets let it rest k?

JPOBS

Never!!! oh yeah now you must post in pink the system war gods have spoken!!!

No. only FrizzyFresh is cool enough to post in pink. All of you are just lamers. Remove it. NOW.

Now with my spirit broken I post in blue I hope your proud of yourself:cry:

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#514 JPOBS
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[QUOTE="JPOBS"][QUOTE="Jacboy71"][QUOTE="JPOBS"]

and I thought it was decided some 200 posts ago that systemwars isnt goign too, nor need to, change? :|
When threads get too long you just tend to run over the same arguments continuously as new enterers bring up already stated rebuttles.

lets let it rest k?

smokeydabear076

Never!!! oh yeah now you must post in pink the system war gods have spoken!!!

No. only FrizzyFresh is cool enough to post in pink. All of you are just lamers. Remove it. NOW.

I will never do that!

Then I have nothing more to say to you heathen.
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#515 kcpp2b
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[QUOTE="kcpp2b"]

Sub wants you to decide I say why bother.... just create a new board that people like Sub can go to and still keep SW and people can choose one or both!

JPOBS

No need. its called General Games Discussion.

Well I'm saying... for even further choice Sub can create his own that is exactly how he wants it. What is fair or good about forcing us to do things that has been a staple here and in most gaming forums for years and years. I say do what you want.

VOTE FOR KCP!!!!! :p

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#516 smokeydabear076
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Then I have nothing more to say to you heathen.
JPOBS
You will be assimilated!
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#517 Hoffgod
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The more I see of this the less I like it. Subrosian has a good intent to deal with trolls and flamers, but in practice he's taking aim at the sense of community which ties SW together. Why? I don't know. Because the people who make things like SW Bets and SW Monthly "encourage" trolling because... heck, I don't know. It doesn't make sense to me. All I know is that in order to make SW a more civil place Sub is trying to take down the most civil part of SW. Doesn't make any damn sense to me. And that's the more benevolent way of looking at it. There are much more malevolent, scheming motivations for Sub that I could see, but I'll keep those to myself.
[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

White is last gen. Pink is next gen :D

smokeydabear076
Indeed! We are very close to making System Wars a better place. We just have to assimilate everyone who resistes this change.

Never! Never will I bow to your horrible pink overlords and obey your commands! Never! NEVE... Ah, ****!
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#518 smokeydabear076
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The more I see of this the less I like it. Subrosian has a good intent to deal with trolls and flamers, but in practice he's taking aim at the sense of community which ties SW together. Why? I don't know. Because the people who make things like SW Bets and SW Monthly "encourage" trolling because... heck, I don't know. It doesn't make sense to me. All I know is that in order to make SW a more civil place Sub is trying to take down the most civil part of SW. Doesn't make any damn sense to me. And that's the more benevolent way of looking at it. There are much more malevolent, scheming motivations for Sub that I could see, but I'll keep those to myself. [QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

White is last gen. Pink is next gen :D

Hoffgod
Indeed! We are very close to making System Wars a better place. We just have to assimilate everyone who resistes this change.

Never! Never will I bow to your horrible pink overlords and obey your commands! Never! NEVE... Ah, ****!

You see JPOBS everyone falls to the power of pink. Even the great Hoffgod. :twisted:
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#519 -RPGamer-
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No. only FrizzyFresh is cool enough to post in pink. All of you are just lamers. Remove it. NOW.
JPOBS

I always thought Frizzy (aka TeddyBear) took that from me afterI was playing around ^u^, man I miss him being around...

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#520 JPOBS
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[QUOTE="JPOBS"] No. only FrizzyFresh is cool enough to post in pink. All of you are just lamers. Remove it. NOW.
-RPGamer-

I always thought Frizzy (aka TeddyBear) took that from me afterI was playing around ^u^, man I miss him being around...

He's at systemwars2.com like everyone else from the systemwars2 ucb after they moved.

BTW? Why dont you post at sw.com or sw2.com? thats where literally ALL of the vets are.

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#521 smokeydabear076
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[QUOTE="JPOBS"] No. only FrizzyFresh is cool enough to post in pink. All of you are just lamers. Remove it. NOW.
-RPGamer-

I always thought Frizzy (aka TeddyBear) took that from me afterI was playing around ^u^, man I miss him being around...

I miss a lot of the folks that used to go here. They probably got banned or something.
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#523 kcpp2b
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[QUOTE="JPOBS"]Then I have nothing more to say to you heathen.
smokeydabear076
You will be assimilated!

The Borg Queen wants to disco dance... you have been invitied

ATTEND OF YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED!

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!

And Bill Cosby Rules!

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#525 -RPGamer-
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[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="JPOBS"] No. only FrizzyFresh is cool enough to post in pink. All of you are just lamers. Remove it. NOW.
JPOBS

I always thought Frizzy (aka TeddyBear) took that from me afterI was playing around ^u^, man I miss him being around...

He's at systemwars2.com like everyone else from the systemwars2 ucb after they moved.

BTW? Why dont you post at sw.com or sw2.com? thats where literally ALL of the vets are.

LOL, youknow I'm a member to both, albeit sw.com is the only one I can actually login into anymore. I shadow the place from time to time. I've had many people ask (PM) why I don't, and I don't really have much of a reason... alright makes mental note. I'll give it another whirl. ^_^

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#526 The_AI
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Must... not... GIVE IN!

Crap.

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#527 smokeydabear076
Member since 2004 • 22109 Posts

TWO MINUTE BREAK FROM THE DEBATING!!

Now..

WHO WANTS SOME MANGO'S!

kcpp2b
Hand the king of pink some of them mangos!
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#528 smokeydabear076
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Must... not... GIVE IN!

Crap.

The_AI
Gottcha!
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#529 JPOBS
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[QUOTE="JPOBS"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="JPOBS"] No. only FrizzyFresh is cool enough to post in pink. All of you are just lamers. Remove it. NOW.
-RPGamer-

I always thought Frizzy (aka TeddyBear) took that from me afterI was playing around ^u^, man I miss him being around...

He's at systemwars2.com like everyone else from the systemwars2 ucb after they moved.

BTW? Why dont you post at sw.com or sw2.com? thats where literally ALL of the vets are.

LOL, youknow I'm a member to both, albeit sw.com is the only one I can actually login into anymore. I shadow the place from time to time. I've had many people ask (PM) why I don't, and I don't really have much of a reason... alright makes mental note. I'll give it another whirl. ^_^

Yea do.

i have accoutns at all three (including gamespot obviously) and go by Chase at the other two, and interchange between sw.com and gs mostly, and pass by sw2.com every once in a while.

dont know what's up with the logins though, sw2 works for me.

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#530 Tsug_Ze_Wind
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You totally stole my revolution, smokey.

But you shall be forgiven....if my w00t revolution can borrow the creamy pink bold.

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#531 kcpp2b
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[QUOTE="kcpp2b"]

TWO MINUTE BREAK FROM THE DEBATING!!

Now..

WHO WANTS SOME MANGO'S!

smokeydabear076

Hand the king of pink some of them mangos!

Holy donkeys guys hold on there's enough for everyone stop grabbing you're gonna knock....

THERE YOU DID IT!

THE MANGO'S ARE ON THE FLOOR I HOPE YOU ARE HAPPY!

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#532 Saturos3091
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My thoughts on what you brought up:

Minimum Poster Level - I support this idea, but I still think it won't do much. I highly doubt trolls/bandodgers will be discouraged by having to wait a few weeks at most to start posting here.

Change of Leadership - I don't consider Casey to be a leader. I think what he volunteers for is fine and he's done a good job, but Cake/Casey are mods. We need mods to make sure trolls and what not don't get out of hand and if you want to give them titles of "master mod" or whatever, that's fine, but I don't see how this will affect SW in any way.

Encourage a Community of Discussion - I'd like to see more intelligent discussion in here, and we do get quite a few from time to time. I don't think there's anything wrong with comic strips or whatever from time to time either. What I really want is more discussion about the games themselves, seems to be missing a lot lately.

Removal of Reward Mechanisms - This will suck the life out of SW and I can't see the majority supporting this. I personally don't.

Acceptance of Positive Outlook - Definitely agreed. The "I hate" threads get old quick.

Anyhoo, nice thread. I agree with a few of the points and I do agree that SW overall needs to shake things up a bit, it's gotten a little dull post Jeff, and there seems to be a lot of confusion here now. I'm interested to see how everyone else looks at this.

the-very-best


I view Subrosian's ideas the same way you do; I agree SW has been a bit more "stale" in the last 6 months than it was when I first started coming here. I do think the removal of reward mechanisms would drastically change SW though, despite me not being involved in any way with them. I also don't mind a comic or two or anything that would help liven SW up. The discussion of games (as you said) is why I come here in the first place, and recently SW has been lacking that.
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#533 smokeydabear076
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You totally stole my revolution, smokey.

But you shall be forgiven....if my w00t revolution can borrow the creamy pink bold.

Tsug_Ze_Wind
The king of pink shall allow you to borrow the creamy pink bold.
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#534 The_AI
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TWO MINUTE BREAK FROM THE DEBATING!!

Now..

WHO WANTS SOME MANGO'S!

kcpp2b

GIMME MANGOS!

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#535 Jacboy71
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Must... not... GIVE IN!

Crap.

The_AI

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#536 smokeydabear076
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"]

TWO MINUTE BREAK FROM THE DEBATING!!

Now..

WHO WANTS SOME MANGO'S!

kcpp2b

Hand the king of pink some of them mangos!

Holy donkeys guys hold on there's enough for everyone stop grabbing you're gonna knock....

THERE YOU DID IT!

THE MANGO'S ARE ON THE FLOOR I HOPE YOU ARE HAPPY!

I am very happy!
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#537 kcpp2b
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[QUOTE="kcpp2b"]

TWO MINUTE BREAK FROM THE DEBATING!!

Now..

WHO WANTS SOME MANGO'S!

The_AI

GIMME MANGOS!

OK ok ok ok

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#538 Tsug_Ze_Wind
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[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

You totally stole my revolution, smokey.

But you shall be forgiven....if my w00t revolution can borrow the creamy pink bold.

smokeydabear076

The king of pink shall allow you to borrow the creamy pink bold.

Oh by the way, I'm also borrowing the pic.

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#539 subrosian
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I find it interesting that the most vocal objectors are blatantly violating the TOU in this very thread. I would think that objectors would attempt to demonstrate their civility with careful, thought out objections, in order to demonstrate that these changes are not necessary.

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I see no need for a "sit down and chat" with people who wish SW to ignore the TOU on why reform is necessary, it is impossible to have a logical discussion with someone who does not abide by logic. QED why certain posts will not be responded to, for those who have (politely) asked.

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#540 The_AI
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[QUOTE="The_AI"]

Must... not... GIVE IN!

Crap.

Jacboy71

ROFL

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So... much... off... topicness!!!
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#542 The_AI
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I find it interesting that the most vocal objectors are blatantly violating the TOU in this very thread. I would think that objectors would attempt to demonstrate their civility with careful, thought out objections, in order to demonstrate that these changes are not necessary.

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I see no need for a "sit down and chat" with people who wish SW to ignore the TOU on why reform is necessary, it is impossible to have a logical discussion with someone who does not abide by logic. QED why certain posts will not be responded to, for those who have (politely) asked.

subrosian

dot dot dot

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#543 kcpp2b
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I find it interesting that the most vocal objectors are blatantly violating the TOU in this very thread. I would think that objectors would attempt to demonstrate their civility with careful, thought out objections, in order to demonstrate that these changes are not necessary.

-

I see no need for a "sit down and chat" with people who wish SW to ignore the TOU on why reform is necessary, it is impossible to have a logical discussion with someone who does not abide by logic. QED why certain posts will not be responded to, for those who have (politely) asked.

subrosian

What are we doing that is against the TOS or TOU? Please explain cause I have no idea honestly...

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#544 Jacboy71
Member since 2007 • 1421 Posts
[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

You totally stole my revolution, smokey.

But you shall be forgiven....if my w00t revolution can borrow the creamy pink bold.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

The king of pink shall allow you to borrow the creamy pink bold.

Oh by the way, I'm also borrowing the pic.

lol

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#545 JPOBS
Member since 2007 • 9675 Posts

I find it interesting that the most vocal objectors are blatantly violating the TOU in this very thread. I would think that objectors would attempt to demonstrate their civility with careful, thought out objections, in order to demonstrate that these changes are not necessary.

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I see no need for a "sit down and chat" with people who wish SW to ignore the TOU on why reform is necessary, it is impossible to have a logical discussion with someone who does not abide by logic. QED why certain posts will not be responded to, for those who have (politely) asked.

subrosian

I've already posted on why your proposals are unnecessary. i've already taken the morally high road to understanding and civil debate and all that jargon some 200+ posts back.

Now, since you wish it so evidently, I'll leave your thread. we were the only ones bumping it anyway.

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#547 Tsug_Ze_Wind
Member since 2006 • 9511 Posts

I find it interesting that the most vocal objectors are blatantly violating the TOU in this very thread.

subrosian

Probably, but we're having fun, while you're still trying to be serious about these changes that will never see the light of day. You know why? Because the thread speaks for itself: We of System Wars do not approve.

Join us, Subrosian. Join us.

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#548 astiop
Member since 2005 • 3582 Posts

I find it interesting that the most vocal objectors are blatantly violating the TOU in this very thread. I would think that objectors would attempt to demonstrate their civility with careful, thought out objections, in order to demonstrate that these changes are not necessary.

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I see no need for a "sit down and chat" with people who wish SW to ignore the TOU on why reform is necessary, it is impossible to have a logical discussion with someone who does not abide by logic. QED why certain posts will not be responded to, for those who have (politely) asked.

subrosian

The objectors already shared their views, a lot of them were ignored. Now people are having some fun, you know, the thing you want to get rid of.

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#549 kcpp2b
Member since 2006 • 12498 Posts
[QUOTE="subrosian"]

I find it interesting that the most vocal objectors are blatantly violating the TOU in this very thread. I would think that objectors would attempt to demonstrate their civility with careful, thought out objections, in order to demonstrate that these changes are not necessary.

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I see no need for a "sit down and chat" with people who wish SW to ignore the TOU on why reform is necessary, it is impossible to have a logical discussion with someone who does not abide by logic. QED why certain posts will not be responded to, for those who have (politely) asked.

JPOBS

I've already posted on why your proposals are unnecessary. i've already taken the morally high road to understanding and civil debate and all that jargon some 200+ posts back.

Now, since you wish it so evidently, I'll leave your thread. we were the only ones bumping it anyway.

You're right.... I'll leave too since he refuses to actually debate and answer my simple question anyway.

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#550 smokeydabear076
Member since 2004 • 22109 Posts
[QUOTE="subrosian"]

I find it interesting that the most vocal objectors are blatantly violating the TOU in this very thread. I would think that objectors would attempt to demonstrate their civility with careful, thought out objections, in order to demonstrate that these changes are not necessary.

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I see no need for a "sit down and chat" with people who wish SW to ignore the TOU on why reform is necessary, it is impossible to have a logical discussion with someone who does not abide by logic. QED why certain posts will not be responded to, for those who have (politely) asked.

JPOBS

I've already posted on why your proposals are unnecessary. i've already taken the morally high road to understanding and civil debate and all that jargon some 200+ posts back.

Now, since you wish it so evidently, I'll leave your thread. we were the only ones bumping it anyway.

Yeah sorry about that. I'm seriously gone from System Wars so what I say doesn't really matter.:lol: