Scorpio or PC?

Ok, I'll play along and I'll try to explain it as simply as I can... you ready?

Some people prefer to play games on a console... or, don't want to play on a PC.

You understand? Or you want me to draw you a little picture?

@hrt_rulz01: Thats fine, not my loss. Lems are funny, at least playstation and nintendo have actual exclusives like zelda or last of us 2. But unless u absolutely can not stand PC for whatever stupid reason even though u can display on a TV, sit on a couch, and use controllers like console, Scorpio is the most useless purchase of the consoles. Its a low-mid PC that is very limiting with no exclusives, no mod support, 100x less games, and no way to upgrade with all its games on a superior platform. Xbox brand is a scam for suckers or lazy people. Its like paying $5 for a simple hamburger instead of $7 for an all you can buffet that includes the hamburger and 50 more things to choose from

Systems Wars, where people actually think this kind of logic applies to the real world, real world purchasing for mostly all people and real people living in it.

Yeah... he has to be a troll because like I said earlier, nobody can be that dumb or blind.

I'd like to see the picture please.

@hrt_rulz01: ok enjoy paying $500 for a console with no exclusives and is outdated shortly after release day: Lem logic. And then paying $60 a year only for Microsoft to charge another $500 for a Scorpio 2 probably three years later (average microsoft console release cycle besides 360-xbone) cause 6 terraflops aint gonna cut it in 2018 or 2019

You have to be a fanboy to believe a PC <$600 is worth a damn. Building one just to say you can is one thing but actually trying to get on a $600 Pc build? no thanks.

PCs play Scorpio games plus PC exclusives and you can do infinitely more with them. Unless you really REALLY love the Xbone ecosystem there's no reason to pick a Scorpio over a PC if you can get either one.

• You don't want a PC
• You don't care about PC
• You don't want to deal with upgrading
• You don't want to deal with compatibility issues
• You don't want to deal with games not working
• You don't want to deal with updating
• You don't want to deal with noise
• You don't want to deal with high costs
• You don't want to deal with a desktop operating system
• You don't want to deal with reformatting
• You don't want to deal with a mouse and keyboard
• You want something that is family friendly
• You want something that is simple that just works
• You want something that specifically plays games and functions as an entertainment device
• You want something that is small, easy to hook up and use

I mean this really could go on and on, consoles in general are an everyday joe kind of device, and the everyday joe is the majority of the consumer market.

Bolded statements no longer apply and others like reformatting hard drives are a long stretch. I have not had to reformat a hard drive in many years and reasons for having to reformat are not caused by gaming on a PC unless you are pirating games and get a nasty virus. If that happens, that is on the user.

Consoles are becoming less user friendly and more complicated.

They actually do apply, a console for example can go for 9 years as we've seen before needing a replacement and still keep up with all the most modern games. For PC development they do not adjust to the constraints of present technology, they push it and within a short few years your PC will no longer be able to hack it.

Some games just flat out don't work for people, they won't start, they won't launch, there's too many variables, it's a state of PC gaming reality sometimes.

Regardless of what you may think, if you get a PC you're going to get into more advanced programs, custom programs etc, that of which will all have to be updated manually and individually.

Any PC capable of playing modern games, especially ones which will be operating games at 4K are going to be noisy.

You need a mouse and keyboard to navigate the operating system.

As for reformatting, it's an eventuality through the natural act of cluttering your file system, if you overclock it's a certainty, you can completely brick your boot sector from a botched OC.

Hell, I didn't even mention driver problems of all things.

Let me give you an example of the modern console experience...

Connect the system for the first time... oh shit... network settings.... video output settings, audio settings, etc... OK, got through that... system update (waiting)... need to create a user account or log in (wtf was my password again?).. Ok, logged in... Pop in disc (loud spin up sound)... game needs to install (waiting)... game needs an update (waiting)... wow these consoles are so easy and pickup up and play! (not)

I want to play with my buddy... OK, bought a second controller.... WTF? why doesn't it work? Oh shit... I need to sync it... where the **** is the sync button or where the hell is that USB cable?

I am running out of hard drive space.... I need to upgrade my hard drive or buy another one to connect via USB.

I want to game in 4K.... got to upgrade to the Pro or the Scorpio. I want to play in HDR... got to upgrade to the Xbox One S (does not apply to Sony).

As you can see, the consoles are not just fun and games. They are more and more complicated and less user friendly than ever.

@spitfire-six: You can play the vast majority of PC games with a $600 PC if u buy the parts individually and use a TV instead of a monitor

@hrt_rulz01: You're wasting your on him, it's just another cow hiding behind his PC while damage controlling a console that no one has seen, yet alone played. His thread reeks of desperation and best ignored :)

@i_p_daily: Haha, yep.

You are not going to pass this nonsense off on me because i tried that before and it failed with ARMA2. Moving forward I promised to never build a shitty PC just for the sake of saying I am a PC gamer. Now I have a x99 with 16gb and 980ti. Tv's are slower than monitors so why would i waste my time doing that ? You will not be able to play a vast majority of games with no problem, why dont you check out the latest PC performance threads. People say this until they actually try it then they complain about "poor optimization". Just do it right or dont do it.

@spitfire-six: Im building one thats $700 with a RX 480 4gb, i5 cpu, and 8 RAM. I will be able to play most games and i can crossfire that 480 later this year

PC. You can play Windows 10 and Steam games.

Can you get an internal UHD Blu-Ray drive for it? If you could it would likely be $200+ alone if they even exist yet for PC's, then you're running 4GB's of RAM light, and also running a weaker GPU, plus you have no access to Xbox 360 games which Scorpio natively runs...

Yeah in the real world the PS4 is slaughtering the xbone in sales and the PS4 has exclusives. So your "real world" is mostly in your head.

Some of you guys...lmao. I spent $1,500 on building my PC almost 2 years ago and I definitely love it, but problems do occur. I've had issues with UPlay, issues with forwarding my ports because I would end up with a strict NAT on Rainbow Six Siege, issues with Skype to be able to chat with my friends, issues with Discord as well, even some games aren't very well optimized for PC and tend to be horrible ports, minor things; issues nonetheless...

Issues are in everything you purchase electronic/technical/software wise

Get the Scorpio first

Get play anywhere games

Get a really good PC when I can afford one

The points you listed that I bolded are either non-issues, subjective opinion or apply to modern consoles as well.

Like I said earlier and I'll keep saying, the advantages for picking up a PC over a Scorpio far outweigh the disadvantages. Picking a PC is just a far better choice unless you are terribly attached to the Xbone ecosystem.

I built a new PC to play the Witcher, and also played the Witcher 2. Not going to bother building a new PC again, consoles are so much easier and cheaper. I will just go the best route and purchase a Scorpio next year.

Mighty Scorpio and it's not even close.

I understand this cow not asking PC or Bore Poo because it would be PC and it's not even close. :P

@quadknight: I seriously can not recall the last time a game failed to run on my pc.. Even the so called train wreck releases in which people say they are have problems gets shortly fixed within a matter of days tops..

Absolutely silly.. It depends entirely on what genres you enjoy.. Less than 5% of pc releases are cutting edge releases that require mid range pcs to run well.. ARMA series is one of the most demanding games on the pc and is not a good example as evidence why you should go that route.. That and imo you wasted a lot of money on a X99 chipset when a Z170 would have been fine and cheaper..

Happened to me on my PC at work. Tried to run Cities Skylines from Steam, but since the PC isn't 64bit, it wouldn't install. That is a small game, and just happened this summer...and it is running Windows 10.

Why would you be using Win 10 on a 32-bit pc?? Evan at work that is a reaaaaaallly odd choice, unless you are running some archaic specialised software from the late 90's early 2000's perhaps???

@jereb31: just an outdated PC. Nothing I intentionally did. My actual work PC is 64 bit but even that can't run games with the onboard graphics chip and 2gb of ram.

Me personally, i'll have Project Scorpio for the living room along with a decent laptop for travels and a decent desktop for the office..

Why does it have to be one or the other?.. Different devices perform better for different situations.. a laptop is better for mobility.. a desktop is better if you want a larger screen and a bit more potential power versus a laptop or console.. consoles are a better living room solution for gaming and multimedia..

Each has their advantages and Xbox gaming exists across all of them.. and no matter which device you choose, Xbox Live grows.. seeya online..

@Antwan3K: options are not a good thing

lol I know right.. how many more of these DC threads are we going to see?.. the friggin console is still a year away lol..

Seriously? Come on dude I prefer consoles for gaming but between the two....Scorpio or PC....PC IS the better value.

Let me know how long this works out for you.

but is it the better value for a console gamer?..

I'll probably get a Scorpio, when enough friends upgrade to it. And Upgrade my PC as well.

I have no desire to create human beings. I just like the "practicing". So, I never have that burden and can spend my $ as I wish.

Damn this is an easy choice. I will just have both! I like my PC and I like my Xbox. Win - win for me!

@Antwan3K: No, it isn't.

Out of curiosity, why would you want to wait until enough of your friends upgrade to Project Scorpio before you get it?.. The console will surely have online play across Xbox One, Windows 10 PC, and even Xbox 360.. if you want to continue to game with your friends, isn't that a non-issue at that point?..

You just made Scorpio look like ... Wii or worse ! lol ! And its not even out yet !

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Sure if you use your computer for only playing games and dont use it for anything production related yes you could get away with a z170. Z170 was also pretty new when I started building my PC. ARMA was/is demanding on CPU's both games ARM2 and ARMA3 performance is directly related to CPU. However when you read the build advice you get from forums they still pass off this bad information that you only need to worry about the GPU and it will cover "most" games. Building your computer to be scoped to a specific genre of games is nonsense because if you are trying to pass it off as a proper gaming machine it needs to be able to play all games better than the console you are trying to compare it to consoles are not scoped to playing only one genre. Arma is just one example building your PC to compete with game consoles is stupid, build your PC to play games and make sure you come in spec wise over the requirements instead of trying to cut corners or see what you can get away with using only to show up on a forum later asking why your shit rig cant run the latest game smoothly.

@dynamitecop: u can get a blu ray player for $50 but i already own a ps4, the gpu is pratically the same as 6 terraflops with crossfire support to surpass it, and i own a 360

Being drunk tonight, you're right.

Thank you

You're better off with a gaming PC but dont skimp out on one -especially your first one.

Here is the dilemma you have with consoles now: PS4 > XBOne because it runs games at higher res and higher frame-rate (performance and resolution a long standing advantage of PC is a really big thing with console gamers today and funnily enough doesnt matter when you bring PC into the argument because it still beats both consoles and probably always will). MS then release XBOoneS because HDR! Then PS4 Pro comes out to keep that lead over the XBOneS. Next year Scorpio will release making it the most powerful console and people will undoubtedly flock to that until all of a sudden Sony announce a new console to beat Scorpio ...and the cycle continues.

You may as well just get a gaming PC and have the most capable system while saving yourself money by not buying annual console upgrades.

objectively speaking PC is the obvious choice, especially now that all Microsoft games will be coming to Xbox and PC

subjectively (and arguably the important part) it depends if you like plug-and-play ease of use and sitting on your couch, or if you are more of an enthusiast

Not all of them though.