Shadow Of The Tomb Raider Xbox One X version has 4K 60 fps

When was I wrong ?

all the time

wonder when you'll get the boot again

@m3Boarder32: Where's those 3% low charts at?

@m3Boarder32 said:

@drlostrib said:

@m3Boarder32 said:

@drlostrib said:

because it happens so rarely?

When was I wrong ?

all the time

I think we all leave that up to you

DF did you 1 better with a 1% tear inducing graph

stop crying tho

why is all of this continuing anyways?

@m3Boarder32: Stop avoiding tho. LMAO!!!

Hey, buddy. Would you lock pubg to 14 fps on your X if ya could?

People can’t accept that X1X is matching a GTX 1070 and obliterating a GTX 1060 in Far Cry 5 at 4k

The One X continue to stress gamers out. At the end of the day, the fact that will continue to stay the same is that the One X offers the best performance in console space and the best performance per dollar. None of the discourse in this thread or any other thread is going to change that.

For the same reason people can't accept the flat Earth model, the idea that humans and dinosaurs coexisted at the same time, or that babies come from the stork. I showed VIDEO PROOF, and all we have from you is your contrived abstract speculative wishful thinking. I've seen people refuse to admit defeat before, but you turn denial into a religion.

Sorry babe, you didn’t post any proof of anything, especially not for Far Cry 5

Video. Proof. SHOWING 4K gameplay at actual native 4K.... with a GTX 1060 no less. The only native 4K games on X1X is Forza 7 and low graphics games like Minecraft and cartoon visuals. And where is your proof of Farcry 5.

Or should I post some GTX 1070 4K gameplay videos? I think your fragile psyche won't be able to handle it ?

@AdobeArtist: Why don’t you ban him?

For?

are you ready to be a big boy and compare minimums vs minimums In Far Cry 5?

Yo know, the latest AAA big budget title to release, th biggest sole indicator of what to expect going forward

uh huh...

not what i was talking about

Are you ready to give up your futile efforts in moving goal posts?

m3Boarder=Gio?

Moving goal posts in what way? You’re the one trying to compare an unlocked average framerate vs a locked minimum frame rate

That would be locked maximum frame rate on console (30 fps). The minimums and averages aren't locked.

But you just can't have what you want, a "fair" comparison. The only way X1X could ever match a GTX 1060 is to create a custom fan setting so low, the card would have to throttle to prevent overheating. On any manufacturer settings, no chance for 1X.... as my video actually showed.

so you think Far Cry 5 On X1X can’t render over 4K30hz? You think it’s a GPU limitation?

@ronvalencia:

Oh I'm sure X1X can run FC5 at 4K/30 (with dips), with checkerboard resolution. A GTX 1060 might also get just over 30 fps at native 4K, anywhere between Med and High settings. GTX 1070, that other card you actually somehow think the X1X has a chance against, could likely play in 4K in a range of 45-60 fps with a mix of Med/High settings.

Holy shit! LOL! God tier roasting!

You been living under a rock? Far Cry 5 On X1X is Native 3840x2160 And 30 FPS with zero dips below 30, and perfect frame times. Digital Foundry has videos a and deliberately tried to make the game drop frames and it never did.

A GTX 1060 needs all settings on LOW and will still drop frames below 30 FPS, something that never happens on X1X

“Now I know why a lot of you are here, multiple outlets have reported that a GTX 1060 or RX580 cannot match an Xbox One X at Native 4K and that’s true”

The 1060 doesn't have the bandwidth to match the X1X.

"I'm sure X1X can run FC5 at 4K/30 (with dips), with checkerboard resolution." claim is FALSE.

https://www.game-debate.com/news/24785/far-cry-5-pc-performance-report

According from Digital Foundry, X1X's FarCry 5 10 graphics settings has 1 ultra (AF), 8 at high and 2 at low (i.e. Terrain AF and Fog)

GTX 1060 failed at medium settings.

Against Xbox One X, GTX 1060 must deliver 4K minimum 30 fps for ALL scenes, not just easy scenes.

game-debate.com's GTX 1060 has 1987 Mhz

1987 Mhz clock speed is NOT stock. https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2862/geforce-gtx-1060-6-gb

From https://uk.hardware.info/reviews/7131/21/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-3gb-and-6gb-review-8-models-tested-throttling-test

EVGA's GTX 1060 FTW+ has 1987 Mhz clockspeed !

That's all nice and dandy but why aren't you addressing the reason we're all here?

What happened to Tomb Riader running at 4K/60fps? What happened to all these examples you were using to support your bogus claims?

Who gives a shit, he was just repeating what he read or saw.

its not like a GTX 1060/1070/1080 is gonna run this shit at 4K 60 FPS either

I really don't know what the arguing is about. Farcry 5, Forza 7 and Gears of War are the EXCEPTION they are not the rule when it comes to performance of the X1X... Its why they are the only games out of the what 20+ games where the X1X is on par with a GTX 1060/ RX 580.

Its like a Ryzen 5 1600 in several games it looks better than the i5 7600K but in the MAJORITY of games the 7600K wipes the floor with it.

The same applies to X1X, in games where memory bandwidth play a bit part and where the CPU isn't a bottleneck the X1X will perform better than a PC with a GTX 1060 and RX 580 but those games are not the rule they are the exceptions.

Really not sure what the arguing is about, its pretty black and white... Even the Xbox fans know it its why they always bring up those 3 games, they are the exceptions not the rule.

Also no one with a GTX 1060 is going to be hooking it up to a 4K TV, they have CPU's that can handle 60FPS+ with ease unlike the X1X its why the 30FPS lock on consoles for almost every game even if it doesn't run at 4K, a GTX 1060 is for 1440P/60FPS or 1080p 144Hz gaming... 4K/30FPS on PC?... I understand its for comparison but aint nobody doing that.

Without NVIDIA's transparent just-in-time immediate mode render to immediate mode tile cache render translator engine included with the driver, X1X's game performance is up to the game programmer to create tile cache render programming structure.

NVIDIA's Maxwell/Pascal driver makes classic immediate mode render into tile cache render i.e. this driver is not cheap to develop.

Hardware tile cache render is nothing without software to exploit it. Hardware is only half the solution.

There are X1X games that rivaled RX-580/R9-390X and close to GTX 980 Ti/GTX 1070 and beats GTX 1060 e.g. Killer Instinct. This is the normal RX-580/R9-390X's advantage over GTX 1060.

There are X1X games that are superior to RX-580 and/or GTX 1060.

X1X was designed for Digital Foundry's pixel counting. If 1440p at >60 hz or 1080p >60 hz was the main target, MS could have allocated 128bit bus towards DDR3 and reallocate it's cost towards beef-up CPU.

Games that delivered RX-580/R9-390X's advantage over GTX 1060 are usually minimized ROPS path usage e.g. forward plus render via compute shader optimizations.

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/directx/2018/03/19/announcing-microsoft-directx-raytracing/

You may have noticed that DXR does not introduce a new GPU engine to go alongside DX12’s existing Graphics and Compute engines. This is intentional – DXR workloads can be run on either of DX12’s existing engines. The primary reason for this is that, fundamentally, DXR is a compute-like workload. It does not require complex state such as output merger blend modes or input assembler vertex layouts. A secondary reason, however, is that representing DXR as a compute-like workload is aligned to what we see as the future of graphics, namely that hardware will be increasingly general-purpose, and eventually most fixed-function units will be replaced by HLSL code. The design of the raytracing pipeline state exemplifies this shift through its name and design in the API. With DX12, the traditional approach would have been to create a new CreateRaytracingPipelineState method. Instead, we decided to go with a much more generic and flexible CreateStateObject method. It is designed to be adaptable so that in addition to Raytracing, it can eventually be used to create Graphics and Compute pipeline states, as well as any future pipeline designs.

Output merger blend modes = ROPS path! Basic idea, use TMUs instead ROPS for read/write operations to replace (in place of) output merger blend modes usage. AMD hasn't skip on TMUs and it's connected to multi-MB L2 cache.

On ray-tracing compute workloads, RX-580/R9-390X murders GTX 1060 i.e. it's all about TFLOPS and cache size with this workload.

@ronvalencia:

No it doesn't RIVAL the RX 580 in killer instinct. The X1X had drops to the low 50's... While a PC with a RX 580 ran it close to flawless at 58-60FPS.

All your gibberish aside, the X1X on paper SHOULD out perform a PC with a GTX 1060 and RX 580 but in MOST cases its just on par with them or at times comes close, very RARELY is it actually better.

They're a lot of salty lem haters let the game commence if the game is 30 fps and it hits 4K THATS good enough

Yikes, I'm almost out so get'em while the getting is good folks, these prices and product won't last...

Lolol :P

This is why we do research before making claims. Don't worry, we all make this mistake sometimes.

@kuu2:

That's the truth. I thought when I bought a million cases of the stuff it would last a while but nope, now that it's not only cows with that super sore spot but really, the Hole lol SW barnyard has the super sore affliction.

The Pee Salty Seas have never been saltier this time of year. It's good to be MasterRace. lol :P

Stop being full of shit. He was defending something that was clearly impossible because he was fanboying it up. We told him this wasn't happening and to wait but he went full fanboy mode and started using bogus examples like Forza and Battlefield. As if MP shooters/racers didn't target 60fps 90% of the time so his comparison was useless in the first place. If he had linked the article and just left it there it'd be one thing but he was full on defending it and saying it was possible when it wasn't. You guys are a joke.

Okay I can really care less what you all are talking about and it was funny seeing people think Tomb Raider would run at 4K@60, but this blatant lie in bold is complete shit. Fanboys need to quit creating false narratives and quit making shit up to prove points. Sorry there are more games running native 4K then just Forza. Come on man. PS4 Pro even has games that run native 4K.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-killer-instinct-on-xbox-one-x-is-native-4k-60fps

Xbox One X's performance at 4K is absolutely bang on 60fps 99 per cent of the time, with v-sync engaged as well. It's not a completely solid read-out though as there are drops when those heavy alpha effects kick in for special moves. As an average though, 60fps is largely what you're looking at. And to cherry pick some worst-case moments during those intensive special moves, you do momentary get drops to 50-60fps

Among Maxwell and GCNs, frame rate almost matches TFLOPS GPU rankings .

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@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

@ronvalencia:

No it doesn't RIVAL the RX 580 in killer instinct. The X1X had drops to the low 50's... While a PC with a RX 580 ran it close to flawless at 58-60FPS.

All your gibberish aside, the X1X on paper SHOULD out perform a PC with a GTX 1060 and RX 580 but in MOST cases its just on par with them or at times comes close, very RARELY is it actually better.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-killer-instinct-on-xbox-one-x-is-native-4k-60fps

Xbox One X's performance at 4K is absolutely bang on 60fps 99 per cent of the time, with v-sync engaged as well. It's not a completely solid read-out though as there are drops when those heavy alpha effects kick in for special moves. As an average though, 60fps is largely what you're looking at. And to cherry pick some worst-case moments during those intensive special moves, you do momentary get drops to 50-60fps

Wait so... You use DF to show performance of a X1X but then don't use DF to show that the RX 580 on PC is better?...

You bringing up performance benchmarks that aren't relevant to what I said don't work with me son.

"with Far Cry 5, and some other games, X1X is getting GTX 1070 performance." That has never happened, you have no evidence to prove this.

Oh please, I don't even need to look up things to know you are dead wrong. You still haven't grasped that the X1X's capabilities are no match for a PC at my level. I could get Far Cry 5 and be 100% sure I will prove you dead wrong, but then what happens when the next game roles out and you repeat the same rubbish? waste more of my time? look, until we come to an understanding of the fundamental FACT (which is that the X1X has performance closer to a GTX 1060/RX 580 rather than a GTX 1070/980ti) I'm afraid engaging you further is a waste of time.

I triple dog dear your ass to prov me wrong.

Make sure your video shows the core clock of the GPU so we can calculate the Teraflops

AF: Ultra

Shadows: High

Environment: High

Geo & Vegetation: High

Terrain: Low

Fog: Low

AA: TAA

Motion Blur: On

And this challenge goes out to anyone with a GTX 980, GTX 1060, And GTX 1070 as well.

Run the benchmarK, it’s easy to manipulate gameplay Framerates.

Minimum frame rates will be the judge

I did some digging and it turns out I was half right and half wrong.

It looks like the Xbox ONE X outperforms a GTX 1060, so I was wrong about that

HOWEVER, the game is still no match for a GTX 1070, which I was right about and you were wrong about

According to DF Far Cry 5 on the X1X runs on a mix of low and high settings like you listed.

This video shows a GTX 1060, 1070, 1070 ti, 1080 and 1080ti running at native 4k at ultra settings (as in everything is at ultra settings)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqp9yZU66TA

As you can see he 1070 averages at around 32fps, again with everything at ultra, something the X1X would most definitely NOT handle, the X1X may outperform a GTX1060 but not by a large enough margine to separate it from it in performance scaling, the gap however from a GTX 1070 is clearly large, so no, you are not getting 1070 performance with an X1X.