should MS really be talking down to sony when 3rod is still a major problem?

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#151 ninjaxams
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[QUOTE="ToScA-"][QUOTE="tmntPunchout"]

Problem is, you need to get the falcon model to get that estimated 9% failure rate. What about people who don't have the falcon model, which is probably the majority at this point? That probably brings the average failure rate to maybe a 25% chance if you include all the MS hardware out right now using the 30% failure estimate. That is still not so good. Also, does buying a 360 after August guarentee a falcon model? I'm not sure if they removed older models from circulation, but that would be a good thing if they did.

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Well, if the consoles of the early adopters happens to RROD, doesn't their console get replaced with a latter model (Falcon in this case) for free?

I have no idea haha.. It would be good if it did. I've heard possibilities ranging from the sent 360 getting repaired, getting refurbished, and getting new 360s. Hopefully the RROD also happens before the 3 years is up.

tell you what, when your 360 is close to that 3 year point, leave that bastard on for days untill it 3rods. it'll do it within those first 48 hrs I promise you :P hell, 15hrs is probally more accurate...
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#152 angelkimne
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Ive done many a 12 hour online gaming sessions without getting 3rod
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#153 ericsp2081
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I just like the fact that I own and enjoy both consoles, and can come on here and watch the fireworks of people who have aligned themselves with one. Did you guys take a blood oath to these corporations or something? Ah screw it, I don't want this to end...

DANCE MONKEYS!! DANCE!! :D

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#154 jimm895
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I will take the reliable system over a system that can break at any time. What happens in a few years when you want to go back and play some of your favorite games and you have nothing to play them on.
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#155 lawlessx
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did cows mind when sony trashed the xbox while knowing about the issues the ps2 was having? At microsoft is doing something about it.
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#156 The_Game21x
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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]

[QUOTE="darkIink"]The point is, why have a faulty 360 if you already have those other consoles. ninjaxams

I dunno, maybe to play the games that you can't play on the others? :|

Also, I don't see how that was 'the point'.

Shame on you. You should know by now that every game that's on the 360 is on the PC as well!

Besides that, well...RRoD. Yeah. I'm just going to go with that.

[QUOTE="ninjaxams"][QUOTE="degerminvanen"]Not true. They are fixing it, it's pretty much over with consoles made after 2007, and it will be completely over soon. HOWEVER. Could someone fill me in on all these "broken promises" Sony made?The_Game21x

lol really? their fixing it finallyafter almost 3 years huh? wasn't it supposed to be fixed with the falcon chipset? face it, its NEVER going to be fixed and I truely feel horrible for anyone who puts stock in such an idea...

It took Sony 3 years to fix the DRE problem in the PS2 and to date, there are new systems (I'm talking about the slim models) that can't read dual layered discs. So I guess that just makes the PS2 a horrible console too right? :roll:

If you honestly think the RROD problem will never be fixed, then you obviously don't know as much about it as you think you do. You can't honestly think hardware designers at Microsoft isn't busting their asses to find a way to fix their problem. Last I checked, the Falcon chipset have a drastically reduced failure rate compared to older models.

no i dont think their busting their asses trying to fix the problem. face it, MS is a shrewd company. my guess is 1. they either planned this from the start knowing full well some ppl would buy multiple consoles or gladly shell out money for repairs like they did with ps2. the warrenty was so they could avoid a class action lawsuit. or 2. they will introduce something new soon so they can say the problem is fixed making those who are perfectly happy with their system jump to something new sooner than what they normally would. MS doesn't give a damn how many consoles were going through now just as long as they can milk the situation for all its worth.

as for dre, that problem wasn't nearly as bad as what the 3rod situation is. not only was it less common, but it was an incredibly easy fix anyway. i should know as I've repaired about 9 myself. sry, but I don't have links or facts to back this claim up...

If you honestly believe any of those conspiracy theories then you've seriously gone off the deep end buddy. :|

Do you know how easily they could be sued for "allowing" a problem like this to persist? Do you know how quickly the government could step in and force them to recall each and every system until the problem is fixed? If you know this, do you know how many billions of dollars (on top of the billion dollars it's already cost them) something like that could cost?

Knowing all of that, do you honestly think the RRoD was created as some sort of diabolical scheme to milk consumers out of their money. Beyond that, how exactly would they milk consumers out of their money now when they fix the problem for free?

Seriously, where do people come up with this kind of nonsense? :?

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#157 cosmostein77
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While I think MS and the RROD's is a big issue and one that reflects poorly on MS, As a long term Gamer I can say with full certainty I have never seen a company take this sort of responsability for a hardware issue, Sony did nothing for DRE users last generation, So Sony really does not have the moral highground on that issue.

In regards to MS talking down to Sony,

Games.

That is all that matters, and realistically as much as we try to find ways around it and pick and chose which scores we review and use Sony's failure can be summed up in a very simple way:

Heavenly Sword + Uncharted + R&C = > 22 Hours of Gameplay.

Three of the biggest hitters for Sony last year offered the loyal Sony base less then 22 hours of combine gameplay with no multiplayer option at the bargin basement price of 209.97 + Sales Taxes

Aside from Warhawk, why did anyone need a PS3 in 2007?

Even Gamecube was able to deliver an average of two (2) AAA type games that were exclusive to Gamecube, we are passed the year and a half mark and Sony's claim to fame last year is three AA games with less then 22 hours of combine gameplay.

So should MS be talking down to Sony?

Yeah, heck the folks still in the Atari Jaguar camp have the right to do so,

Till Sony ponies up and offers us something that we cannot get elsewhere to justify the purchase of their console,

And while MGS4 and its 20 hours of cut scenes is a start, if that is all that 2008 has to offer then perhaps the 3d0 and Cdi folks have the right to start talking down to Sony in regards to game quality,.

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#158 VirtuaCast
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RROD is old news give it up.
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#159 Verge_6
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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]

[QUOTE="darkIink"]The point is, why have a faulty 360 if you already have those other consoles. ninjaxams

I dunno, maybe to play the games that you can't play on the others? :|

Also, I don't see how that was 'the point'.

Shame on you. You should know by now that every game that's on the 360 is on the PC as well!

Besides that, well...RRoD. Yeah. I'm just going to go with that.

[QUOTE="ninjaxams"][QUOTE="degerminvanen"]Not true. They are fixing it, it's pretty much over with consoles made after 2007, and it will be completely over soon. HOWEVER. Could someone fill me in on all these "broken promises" Sony made?The_Game21x

lol really? their fixing it finallyafter almost 3 years huh? wasn't it supposed to be fixed with the falcon chipset? face it, its NEVER going to be fixed and I truely feel horrible for anyone who puts stock in such an idea...

It took Sony 3 years to fix the DRE problem in the PS2 and to date, there are new systems (I'm talking about the slim models) that can't read dual layered discs. So I guess that just makes the PS2 a horrible console too right? :roll:

If you honestly think the RROD problem will never be fixed, then you obviously don't know as much about it as you think you do. You can't honestly think hardware designers at Microsoft isn't busting their asses to find a way to fix their problem. Last I checked, the Falcon chipset have a drastically reduced failure rate compared to older models.

no i dont think their busting their asses trying to fix the problem. face it, MS is a shrewd company. my guess is 1. they either planned this from the start knowing full well some ppl would buy multiple consoles or gladly shell out money for repairs like they did with ps2. the warrenty was so they could avoid a class action lawsuit. or 2. they will introduce something new soon so they can say the problem is fixed making those who are perfectly happy with their system jump to something new sooner than what they normally would. MS doesn't give a damn how many consoles were going through now just as long as they can milk the situation for all its worth.

as for dre, that problem wasn't nearly as bad as what the 3rod situation is. not only was it less common, but it was an incredibly easy fix anyway. i should know as I've repaired about 9 myself. sry, but I don't have links or facts to back this claim up...

I stopped reading as soon as I saw that you thought MS planned the RROD debacle. Are you trying to be funnyor something? I'm not laughing...

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#160 xsubtownerx
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RROD is old news give it up.VirtuaCast

It happened to me this weekend. Not cool!