Should Used Games be Blocked on Next Gen Consoles?

IMO I think if they do block used games they will be cutting of their nose to spite their face, used games helps the industry whatever you want to admit it or not that's just a fact.  What's far more likely however is Sony and Microsoft trying to double dip and charge a 10$ activation fee to play used games and this would also come with always on DRM or at least an online activation, (not sure how they would block used games without this feature)

IMO Used games are no different than buying a used Blu-ray, DvD or CD.  The sale has been made and the publishers don't deserve a penny more, they can't take the good side of capitalism without taking the bad.

No.

No.

lundy86_4

Given that there's already a thread right on the front that has been going for who knows know many pages, I'm kind of surprised that this isn't a Nameless12345 thread. 

No they shouldn't block used games on Next Generation consoles.

Any console that blocks used games is a console I will not buy. I have no problem making the PS3 my last console.AmazonTreeBoa

if games fall to pc prices then i don't care.

if prices stay the same and they block used i would not buy it.

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]Any console that blocks used games is a console I will not buy. I have no problem making the PS3 my last console.Shielder7

IMO I think if they do block used games they will be cutting of their nose to spite their face, used games helps the industry whatever you want to admit it or not that's just a fact.  What's far more likely however is Sony and Microsoft trying to double dip and charge a 10$ activation fee to play used games and this would also come with always on DRM or at least an online activation, (not sure how they would block used games without this feature)

IMO Used games are no different than buying a used Blu-ray, DvD or CD.  The sale has been made and the publishers don't deserve a penny more, they can't take the good side of capitalism without taking the bad.

Shielder7

Do you like money? I like money. 

So I'd probably pursue the cheapest possible avenue. 

That might end up being stocking up at Steam Sales, and buying nothing at other times. 

I do find buying and selling physical games privately to be quite lucrative. Speaking from experience - it can be cheaper than piracy. 

[QUOTE="Cranler"] So its ok for Gamestop to double dip but not Sony and MS? The ones who sold you the hardware at a loss?Shielder7

Hell no. Only a complete moron or a complete corporate apologist would want something so anti-consumer.

[QUOTE="Shielder7"][QUOTE="Cranler"] So its ok for Gamestop to double dip but not Sony and MS? The ones who sold you the hardware at a loss?Cranler

1. They pretty much have to buy it back for 30$. Just because they buy it back for 30$ doesn't that they WILL sell it for 55$ If they don't sell it in the first couple of weeks they're not going to be able to sell it for 55$. Yes they CAN make 25$ profit buy doing quick resells but they also take the risk of being stung. They're reaping the rewards but they're also taking a risk.

2. Yes you can compare games to blu-ray, dvd's and cd's, because it's all digital media.

3. I'm sorry did EA, Activision and Ubisoft sell me the console at a loss? No you're acting like Sony and Microsoft are the only ones making games, not to mention the fact AGAIN they're sell the console at a loss to get it in my house to sell software which was accomplished with the initial sale.

4. Music and film industry have concerts and theaters. So what? Just because I buy the Blu-ray or CD doesn't mean I went to the concert or theater and last I checked a blu-ray / CD doesn't cost 60$ new.

5. What exactly would Gamespot be paying royalties for?  You have to have grounds for charging royalties, I don't think you understand the concept of royalties or how they're used.  You can't charge royalties for used products.  Sorry but they don't get to chose what laws in capitalism they want and which they want to make up.

I think they should be blocked but only if the prices on games are cut also.

I think they should be blocked but only if the prices on games are cut also.

PCgameruk

No, but they could ban renting and that would help a lot. 

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

Selling 2ed hand items is not double dipping. I don't think you understand what double dipping means or implies. Yes they might have sold the original product new but they also had to buy it back so it's not double dipping. If Sony and MS are selling the hardware at a loss it's to sell software that was accomplished with the original sale.Shielder7

1. They pretty much have to buy it back for 30$. Just because they buy it back for 30$ doesn't that they WILL sell it for 55$ If they don't sell it in the first couple of weeks they're not going to be able to sell it for 55$. Yes they CAN make 25$ profit buy doing quick resells but they also take the risk of being stung. They're reaping the rewards but they're also taking a risk.

2. Yes you can compare games to blu-ray, dvd's and cd's, because it's all digital media.

3. I'm sorry did EA, Activision and Ubisoft sell me the console at a loss? No you're acting like Sony and Microsoft are the only ones making games, not to mention the fact AGAIN they're sell the console at a loss to get it in my house to sell software which was accomplished with the initial sale.

4. Music and film industry have concerts and theaters. So what? Just because I buy the Blu-ray or CD doesn't mean I went to the concert or theater and last I checked a blu-ray / CD doesn't cost 60$ new.

5. What exactly would Gamespot be paying royalties for?  You have to have grounds for charging royalties, I don't think you understand the concept of royalties or how they're used.  You can't charge royalties for used products.  Sorry but they don't get to chose what laws in capitalism they want and which they want to make up.

If Sony or Microsoft were to do that, they'd be shooting themselves in the foot.

Last I checked Gamestop makes a killing in the used market.Cranler

They're essentialy a pawn shop, so what's your point?

You cant compare different business models with games. A form of entertainment that has muliple avenues of revenue vs games which has one. Its an unfair comparison. Popular recording artists can make $500k for one concert! Sony and MS sold the console at a loss and rely on new game sales to recoup the loss. Cranler

Microsoft and Sony also charges for Xbox Live and Playstation Plus. They also make partnerships with Netflix, Youtube, Facebook, etc. for their online services. They also charge a #*$@ ton for peripherals. They're not these matyrs you're making them out to be.

More one sided thinking and some poeple go to concerts without buying the cd's. So what? Last I checked CD's and Blu rays didnt have as much as 100 hours. Confusing a game license with physical property. Cranler

I can spend more time reading a book than I do playing a lot of modern games. Should I no longer be allowed to sell my book? Or my car? I'm sorry, but video games don't get to have special treatment or exemptions just because the developers whine the loudest.

[QUOTE="Cranler"]Last I checked Gamestop makes a killing in the used market.Lionheart08

They're essentialy a pawn shop, so what's your point?

You cant compare different business models with games. A form of entertainment that has muliple avenues of revenue vs games which has one. Its an unfair comparison. Popular recording artists can make $500k for one concert! Sony and MS sold the console at a loss and rely on new game sales to recoup the loss. Cranler

Microsoft and Sony also charges for Xbox Live and Playstation Plus. They also make partnerships with Netflix, Youtube, Facebook, etc. for their online services. They also charge a #*$@ ton for peripherals. They're not these matyrs you're making them out to be.

More one sided thinking and some poeple go to concerts without buying the cd's. So what? Last I checked CD's and Blu rays didnt have as much as 100 hours. Confusing a game license with physical property. Cranler

I can spend more time reading a book than I do playing a lot of modern games. Should I no longer be allowed to sell my book? Or my car? I'm sorry, but video games don't get to have special treatment or exemptions just because the developers whine the loudest.

Live, Plus and extra peripherals arent required.

Would you like to compare the budgets between writing a book and making a game? A book is something your constantly holding, so tears, folded pages, stains etc will always be noticable with a used book. Used game experience is no different than a new game experience. Does Barnes and Noble try to push cutomers into buying used? Do books require a machine thats sold at a loss to be able to read the books?

A car is designed to last a specific amount of time, numer of owners is irrelavant to the manufacturer.

No, but if they are it's no skin off my neck.

An always online requirement however, that would make me furious.  Not gonna happen, just saying.

[QUOTCranler" Last I checked Gamestop makes a killing in the used market. ]

Last I checked it was completely legal an nothing wrong with this, they don't owe royalties like you seem to think.

You cant compare different business models with games. A form of entertainment that has muliple avenues of revenue vs games which has one. Its an unfair comparison. Popular recording artists can make $500k for one concert! Cranler

Sony and MS sold the console at a loss and rely on new game sales to recoup the loss. Cranler

Last I checked CD's and Blu rays didnt have as much as 100 hours. Confusing a game license with physical property. Cranler

Nope, won't buy 'em if they do.

Eh, I'm uncertain.  I don't deal enough with used games to begin with but I still believe it's more harmful to the industry than helpful.

Nupi.

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Last I checked it was completely legal an nothing wrong with this, they don't owe royalties like you seem to think.

[QUOTE="Cranler"] Yes you can the digital side of the market is completely comparable, developers also don't have to drive around and make live talent performances. [QUOTE="Cranler"] Sony and MS sold the console at a loss and rely on new game sales to recoup the loss. Shielder7

Last I checked CD's and Blu rays didnt have as much as 100 hours. Confusing a game license with physical property. Cranler

Not everyone who buys a console buys new games.

What does filming out of the studio have to do with anything? Napolean Dynamite wasnt shot in a studio and its cost $400k to make. Most movies are worth one viewing and thats it. A good game purchase can get you multiple playthrough or 100's of hours of mp, games can give you a lot more bang for the buck.

"OMG, developers dont have to drive around doing live performances? i hope youre joking. If a dev could get that kind of money for doing some sort of lecture or seminar they sure as hell would do it and be happy to do all the travelling. If devs and pubs could first release games in an arcade where they could gross 500 million and then 6 months later release the game for home use to double the profits they would do that as well. "

I love how you altered my phrase and left out the word talent which completely changed the meaning and context. Nice attempt at a straw man here, you changed my statement and than attempted to tear it down. Paying to go hear someone sing is a hell of a lot different than a PR meeting.

Not everyone who buys a console buys new games.Cranler

Most movies are worth one viewing and thats it. Cranler

A good game purchase can get you multiple playthrough or 100's of hours of mp, games can give you a lot more bang for the buck. Cranler

Not unless they replace the current retail model with a digital distrubtion platform as nice as what can be found on the PC.

No.

lundy86_4

[QUOTE="PCgameruk"]

I think they should be blocked but only if the prices on games are cut also.

Shielder7

"OMG, developers dont have to drive around doing live performances? i hope youre joking. If a dev could get that kind of money for doing some sort of lecture or seminar they sure as hell would do it and be happy to do all the travelling. If devs and pubs could first release games in an arcade where they could gross 500 million and then 6 months later release the game for home use to double the profits they would do that as well. "

I love how you altered my phrase and left out the word talent which completely changed the meaning and context. Nice attempt at a straw man here, you changed my statement and than attempted to tear it down. Paying to go hear someone sing is a hell of a lot different than a PR meeting. [QUOTE="Cranler"] Unless they're buying stolen games your point is mot, because Sony and Microsoft got money from the original sale. Also I'm unaware of anyone who only buys used, but regardless even if they do that still doesn't defeat the point that the game was once originally bought once. [QUOTE="Cranler"] Most movies are worth one viewing and thats it. Shielder7

A good game purchase can get you multiple playthrough or 100's of hours of mp, games can give you a lot more bang for the buck. Cranler

Money from what original sale? If MS sells a console at a loss and the gamers only borrows or buys used then MS loses money on the transaction.

$20 movie for 4hrs vs $60 games for 100hrs. BF 3 cost my $60 and I'm at 150hrs.

Thats the gamers fault for buying a short game for $60. Reviews would have told them the length.

You don't know the definition of talent? Are you honestly going to play dumb and pretend not to know the difference between going to see a 3h concert where singers are putting on a show and a PR release? [QUOTE="Cranler"] Money from what original sale? If MS sells a console at a loss and the gamers only borrows or buys used then MS loses money on the transaction.Cranler

$20 movie for 4hrs vs $60 games for 100hrs. BF 3 cost my $60 and I'm at 150hrs. Cranler

Thats the gamers fault for buying a short game for $60. Reviews would have told them the length. Cranler

It should not be blocked at all.

If the people want to sell their used games let them!

[QUOTE="Cranler"] You don't know the definition of talent? Are you honestly going to play dumb and pretend not to know the difference between going to see a 3h concert where singers are putting on a show and a PR release? [QUOTE="Cranler"] Well in that RARE case that's on them, and the risk they take, not like there's more than a handful of people that don't have at least one new copy of a game or haven't bought any DLC. But that still doesn't defeat the purpose that used game was once bought new so mission accomplished. They made money off the original sale and if that person doesn't want that product he bought new anymore he has every right to sell it to whom ever he wants. And you have no right to tell him different. [QUOTE="Cranler"] $20 movie for 4hrs vs $60 games for 100hrs. BF 3 cost my $60 and I'm at 150hrs. Shielder7

Thats the gamers fault for buying a short game for $60. Reviews would have told them the length. Cranler

Who am I telling not to buy used? I'm just saying the savings are rarely worth it and that Gamestop should give a cut to the pubs.

A kid who could watch the same movie that many times could also enjoy playing the same game 100 times as well.

Sounds like you were dumb enough to buy the Farce Unleashed for $60. Lol at you. I make more informed game purchase decisions. And if you spend $10 at the theater on a bad movie you cant resell the ticket. Who am I telling they cant sell?

Paid trolls coming out of the wood work on all kinds of forums pushing this. They want to do this is what that tells me. But they won't risk it unless they can win over a bigger chunk of people.

Nope.

nope,they arent for wiiu so if the other two implement such harsh environment im sure nintendo would be very happy to know that there is no competition next gen for the wiiu lol

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