Should Used Games be Blocked on Next Gen Consoles?

No. Gamers shouldnt be punished just because Publishers/Devs are butthurt at Gamestop.

If Sony and Microsoft does actually go through with this horsesh!t  ....then I'll just stick with only PC and Nintendo.

 QUOTE="Cranler"PR release? Wth does that have to do with my point that the music industry is radically different from games? Musicians make 95% of their living off of performing. "

LMAO No they don't where did you hear this BS or did you just pull it from your a$$? In other words I'm calling you and want a credible source.

QUOTE"Cranler" Comparing music industry to games is just plain stupid. /QUOTE

Well you're half right something is being stupid, but besides that point it's still digital media and Blu-ray / DvDs are compatible as well.

Who am I telling not to buy used? I'm just saying the savings are rarely worth it and that Gamestop should give a cut to the pubs. Cranler

Why? Why should Gamestop do this? Name one 2ed hand product that gives over royalists for used merchandise. If that used game doesn't sell are the publishers going to reimburse Gamestop?

A kid who could watch the same movie that many times could also enjoy playing the same game 100 times as wellCranler

Sounds like you were dumb enough to buy the Farce Unleashed for $60. Lol at you. I make more informed game purchase decisions. And if you spend $10 at the theater on a bad movie you cant resell the ticket. Who am I telling they cant sell?Cranler

 QUOTE="Cranler"PR release? Wth does that have to do with my point that the music industry is radically different from games? Musicians make 95% of their living off of performing. "

 

LMAO No they don't where did you hear this BS or did you just pull it from your a$$? In other words I'm calling you and want a credible source.

 

QUOTE"Cranler" Comparing music industry to games is just plain stupid. /QUOTE

 

Well you're half right something is being stupid, but besides that point it's still digital media and Blu-ray / DvDs are compatible as well.

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Why? Why should Gamestop do this? Name one 2ed hand product that gives over royalists for used merchandise. If that used game doesn't sell are the publishers going to reimburse Gamestop? [QUOTE="Cranler"] A kid who could watch the same movie that many times could also enjoy playing the same game 100 times as wellShielder7

Sounds like you were dumb enough to buy the Farce Unleashed for $60. Lol at you. I make more informed game purchase decisions. And if you spend $10 at the theater on a bad movie you cant resell the ticket. Who am I telling they cant sell?Cranler

Paid trolls coming out of the wood work on all kinds of forums pushing this. They want to do this is what that tells me. But they won't risk it unless they can win over a bigger chunk of people.

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More worried about microsofts continued blocking of new games, myself.Heirren

Paid trolls coming out of the wood work on all kinds of forums pushing this. They want to do this is what that tells me. But they won't risk it unless they can win over a bigger chunk of people.

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75% voted No.. Idiots like Cranier = Owned jessejay420

Gamestop says 60% of gamers said they wouldn't purchase a console that didn't allow used contwent to be played. Hopefully the powers that be are listening.

QUOTE="Cranler"PR release? Wth does that have to do with my point that the music industry is radically different from games? Musicians make 95% of their living off of performing. "

LMAO No they don't where did you hear this or did you just pull it from your In other words I'm calling you and want a credible source.

QUOTE"Cranler" Comparing music industry to games is just plain stupid. /QUOTE

Well you're half right something is being stupid, but besides that point it's still digital media and Blu-ray / DvDs are compatible as well.

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

Why? Why should Gamestop do this? Name one 2ed hand product that gives over royalists for used merchandise. If that used game doesn't sell are the publishers going to reimburse Gamestop? [QUOTE="Cranler"] A kid who could watch the same movie that many times could also enjoy playing the same game 100 times as wellShielder7

Sounds like you were dumb enough to buy the Farce Unleashed for $60. Lol at you. I make more informed game purchase decisions. And if you spend $10 at the theater on a bad movie you cant resell the ticket. Who am I telling they cant sell?Cranler

I thought it was common knowledge that musicians get practically nothing from album sales. Living under a rock? For every $1,000 in music sales, the average musician makes $23.40. http://minorityfortune.com/liabilities/how-much-musicians-really-make-in-the-industry-part-i/

Rihanna makes $400k a show. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/rihanna/despite-lousy-ticket-sales-rihanna-still-earns-400000-concert

Industries with multiple avenues of revenue cannot be compared.

Name one product thats played by a machine sold at a loss.

What difference does it make how many times you watched a movie. You watched a movie 100 times, I played a game 100 times, now were right back where we started, did that sink into your thickness?Games have on average at least 5x as much content as the average film dvd/bluray. And thats after the film already made a lot of money at the box office. Again, your comparing industries one one way of income to another that has multiple.

Who would buy a dvd if it wasnt a movie they knew was freaking awesome? If youre not sure about a movie you can rent it.

The vast majority have a biased outlook. I mainly buy pc games when theyre on sale anyway.

Royalists? Lol. Name one product that requires a machine thats sold at a loss with a huge used market. Why would publishers reimburse Gamestop if they dont sell a used game?

[QUOTE="jessejay420"]75% voted No.. Idiots like Cranier = Owned Cranler

I thought it was common knowledge that musicians get practically nothing from album sales. Living under a rock? For every $1,000 in music sales, the average musician makes $23.40. http://minorityfortune.com/liabilities/how-much-musicians-really-make-in-the-industry-part-i/

Rihanna makes $400k a show. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/rihanna/despite-lousy-ticket-sales-rihanna-still-earns-400000-concert

Industries with multiple avenues of revenue cannot be compared. Cranler

LMAO so you're comparing what an average musician makes on album sale to what a Super Star like Rihanna makes at a concert? Did you think that through before you wrote it?

 

Name one product thats played by a machine sold at a loss.Cranler

What does that have to do with anything?  If they're selling machines at a loss they're doing it to get it in your house to sell software, DLC and live.  Which was accomplished with the initial sale of the game period deal with it.

What difference does it make how many times you watched a movie. You watched a movie 100 times, I played a game 100 times, now were right back where we started, did that sink into your thickness? Cranler

What difference does it make how many times you played through the game?  You brought up this pointless point smart one not me.  It does't matter how many times you played through a game or watched a movie, it's yours you can do what you want with it INCLUDING SELL IT!

Games have on average at least 5x as much content as the average film dvd/bluray. And thats after the film already made a lot of money at the box office. Again, your comparing industries one one way of income to another that has multiple. Cranler

Yeah and Games cost 3X as much not to mention the additional money they make off of DLC, online passes and micro-transactions.  So you're wrong on both accounts.  You very well can compare a used sale on a DvD to a used game, because they're both 2ed had digital products your buying used.

Who would buy a dvd if it wasnt a movie they knew was freaking awesome?   Cranler

For the same reason I've bought games that I thought were freaking awesome and ended up not liking.  And don't you dare say I should of looked at reviews because I do and they're wrong more than they are right.   I trust very few reviewers.

If youre not sure about a movie you can rent it. Cranler

Well the same thing can be said about games, oh wait under your rationality this would be impossible.

The vast majority have a biased outlook.  Cranler

No just you.

I mainly buy pc games when theyre on sale anyway. Cranler

Than why do you even care?  Are you upset that console people get to buy used and you don't

Royalists? Lol. Name one product that requires a machine thats sold at a loss with a huge used market. Cranler

I already answered this but you keep asking and stating it.  I don't think it means what you think it means........

Why would publishers reimburse Gamestop if they dont sell a used game? Cranler

Why would  Gamestop pay Royalists to publishers for 2ed hand items?  Name me one product that's bought used that pays Royalists?

Gamestop says 60% of gamers said they wouldn't purchase a console that didn't allow used contwent to be played. Hopefully the powers that be are listening.

BlendThree

Well, there is an unbiased source.

I think there should be a system for reimbursing the publisher/developer for used games that are resold by retailers ( not private sales like selling your games on Ebay), but that doesn't exactly mean there needs to be DRM. DRM should be used for piracy (even that doesn't work very well) and not for trying to screw over resellers, and resellers should come up with an agreement to share profit lest they be edged out of the business by the very people giving them something to sell. Consumers should not be the ones stuck in the middle of this bullsh*t.Ilikemyname420

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Gamestop says 60% of gamers said they wouldn't purchase a console that didn't allow used contwent to be played. Hopefully the powers that be are listening.

tenaka2

Well, there is an unbiased source.

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[QUOTE="BlendThree"]

Gamestop says 60% of gamers said they wouldn't purchase a console that didn't allow used contwent to be played. Hopefully the powers that be are listening.

delta3074

Well, there is an unbiased source.

I realise that, but having so much of game money going into the hands of retailers is self destructive. Games companies would still make more money if they blocked used games.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Well, there is an unbiased source.

tenaka2

I realise that, but having so much of game money going into the hands of retailers is self destructive. Games companies would still make more money if they blocked used games.

I'm sure developers and publishers would love it if a console blocks used games. I think that if one does it but the other don't, developers/publishers will move towards the console that will block used games. They will make more of a profit and each game sold means more money for them. If used games are blocked then they should lower the prices to $40 from $60. They would still make a huge profit and it would be a good trade off. sirk1264

I can see this blocking of used games becoming a pretty a big problem 5-10, or even 15 years down the line when you can't find new copies of games for these consoles. I wonder what collectors of retro games would do.

I can see this blocking of used games becoming a pretty a big problem 5-10, or even 15 years down the line when you can't find new copies of games for these consoles. I wonder what collectors of retro games would do.

Tonindo

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="jessejay420"]75% voted No.. Idiots like Cranier = Owned Shielder7

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Than why do you even care? Are you upset that console people get to buy used and you don't

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Royalists? Lol. Name one product that requires a machine thats sold at a loss with a huge used market. Shielder7

I already answered this but you keep asking and stating it. I don't think it means what you think it means........

Why would publishers reimburse Gamestop if they dont sell a used game? Cranler

Why would Gamestop pay Royalists to publishers for 2ed hand items? Name me one product that's bought used that pays Royalists?

I say games have 5x more content and you say they cost 3x more but I'm wrong? Then you bring up dlc which no ones being forced to buy. Priced drop more on games so Uncharted for instance is about 2x the cost of a movie released around the same time. So 5x the content at only twice the cost.

Where did I say renting was wrong? I think its stupid to buy dvd unless its for a little kid who will watch the same movie over and over. If your rich I could see buying the dvd so you dont have to worry about returning. I only buy my fav movies. Most movies are worth one viewing so buying is silly. Its easier to rent a movie than a game. Blockbuster has a limited selection of games while most new movies are always available and then theirs streaming rentals.

I have pc and ps360. I can rent if I want but I wait for good deals on pc. I could have bought Arkham City for $7.49 during the steam hilday sale but I'm waiting for it to be $5.

You dont seem to know what biased means.

Royalists? Lol at the stupidity. Gamestop is stealing new game sales.

almost as bad as cock blocking

no because people who buy second hand games probably wouldn't buy next gen games at all and ms/sony would make even less money from them than they do now.

They can do whatever they want. But if they think it is beneficial to do so, I am pretty confident their hubris will feel the pain. Everyone will move to different gaming avenues.

However, a very little part of me does hope they become blocked so Gamestop goes under.

MS better be doing some damage control here really soon because the rumor of no used games is  becoming pretty viral. That is of course if they intend to allow the sale of used games.

[QUOTE="Cranler"] The rationality is the same as yours just from the other side. How can you not see that? The poll here is mainly biased since most people here arent in the game industry, the are consumers thinking of themselves. MrGeezer

Agree with bold statement #2. Consumers are the ones that buy the product. It's the wonderful thing of capitalism. Basically the game companies/publishers should be kissing our asses. It's our money that keeps them going and even creates the business market to begin with. I think sometimes companies forget that and that's when they see their profits hit the tank. If the public doesn't like what they're putting out, the publishers go bye bye.

However, I do feel bad for some devs. Some decent devs like Superbot and THQ have gone bankrupt/been sold. But $60 a game is asinine. I wait until they drop to $20 or less.

But $60 a game is asinine. I wait until they drop to $20 or less. lild1425

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Cranler"] The rationality is the same as yours just from the other side. How can you not see that? The poll here is mainly biased since most people here arent in the game industry, the are consumers thinking of themselves. lild1425

Agree with bold statement #2. Consumers are the ones that buy the product. It's the wonderful thing of capitalism. Basically the game companies/publishers should be kissing our asses. It's our money that keeps them going and even creates the business market to begin with. I think sometimes companies forget that and that's when they see their profits hit the tank. If the public doesn't like what they're putting out, the publishers go bye bye.

However, I do feel bad for some devs. Some decent devs like Superbot and THQ have gone bankrupt/been sold. But $60 a game is asinine. I wait until they drop to $20 or less.

no because people who buy second hand games probably wouldn't buy next gen games at all and ms/sony would make even less money from them than they do now.

[QUOTE="Shielder7"][QUOTE="Cranler"] How does having an unpopular opinion make me owned? If the same poll was done on a publishers intranet the results would be the opposite. You and many others just dont want to look at it from both sides.Cranler

no because people who buy second hand games probably wouldn't buy next gen games at all and ms/sony would make even less money from them than they do now.

Music costs the same no matter who it is. Thats an average of what anyone who plays one part in the making of a song get. Cranler

With most songs Rihanna is simply the singer, everyone else needs to get paid from the writer to mixers to labels. Cranler

I say games have 5x more content and you say they cost 3x more but I'm wrong? Cranler

Yeah you are.

Then you bring up dlc which no ones being forced to buy. Cranler

So no one forces you to buy a movie ticket before you buy the DvD. In fact most of my DvDs/Blu-Rays are for Movies I never weren't to see in the theaters.  You said there is only once source of revenue for games and that is complete BS and a flat out lie.

Priced drop more on games so Uncharted for instance is about 2x the cost of a movie released around the same time. So 5x the content at only twice the cost. Cranler

Based on what I haven't seen this, I've found DvD's and Blu-Ray on amazon for 10$.  Sorry pal you don't get to compare old games prices to new Movie prices stop being biased.  We're comparing new to new.

Where did I say renting was wrong? Cranler

Well how do you expect the system to know what is used and what is rented?  Use your head if they block used they will block rented.

I think its stupid to buy dvd unless its for a little kid who will watch the same movie over and over. If your riitch I could see buying the dvd so you dont have to worry about returning. Cranler

Yeah so in your opinion only stupid people and rich people buy DvDs or Blu-ray.  WoW what an idiotic opinion.

I think only stupid people would want to give away their right and see used games block.  I got a  felling more people are going to agree with me than you on this.

I only buy my fav movies. Most movies are worth one viewing so buying is silly. Its easier to rent a movie than a game. Blockbuster has a limited selection of games while most new movies are always available and then theirs streaming rentals. I have pc and ps360. I can rent if I want but I wait for good deals on pc. I could have bought Arkham City for $7.49 during the steam hilday sale but I'm waiting for  to be $5.Cranler

Bla bla bla this means nothing, what you do, how you like to spend your money and what systems you have is irrelevant.  Not everyone like plying games on their PC or consoles wouldn't exist, not everyone is without data caps to download a bunch of games and Blockbuster is completely shut down in Canada so that's not even an option for movies or Games if your yeapering was relevant which it's not.

You don't seem to know what biased means.Royalists? Lol at the stupidity. Gamestop is stealing new game sales.Cranler

I don't think you even understand what stealing means let alone what biased means.  Gamestop bought that used game back they can resell it for whatever they want and if no one buys it that's on them.  The only stupidity here is coming from you.

Yes, digital is the future anyway, so get used to buying new/ waiting for sales 

almost as bad as cock blocking

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Yeah so in your opinion only stupid people and rich people buy DvDs or Blu-ray.  WoW what an idiotic opinion.

 

I think only stupid people would want to give away their right and see used games block.  I got a  felling more people are going to agree with me than you on this.

 

 

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I only buy my fav movies. Most movies are worth one viewing so buying is silly. Its easier to rent a movie than a game. Blockbuster has a limited selection of games while most new movies are always available and then theirs streaming rentals. I have pc and ps360. I can rent if I want but I wait for good deals on pc. I could have bought Arkham City for $7.49 during the steam hilday sale but I'm waiting for  to be $5.Shielder7

Bla bla bla this means nothing, what you do, how you like to spend your money and what systems you have is irrelevant.  Not everyone like plying games on their PC or consoles wouldn't exist, not everyone is without data caps to download a bunch of games and Blockbuster is completely shut down in Canada so that's not even an option for movies or Games if your yeapering was relevant which it's not.

You don't seem to know what biased means.Royalists? Lol at the stupidity. Gamestop is stealing new game sales.Cranler

I don't think you even understand what stealing means let alone what biased means.  Gamestop bought that used game back they can resell it for whatever they want and if no one buys it that's on them.  The only stupidity here is coming from you.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]The thing is, what consumers want is a little bit more important than what developers and publishers want. Consumers are the ones buying the games and putting money into the hands of the people making and selling the games. Publishers needs consumers way more than consumers need publishers. Games aren't my job, they aren't what's putting food on my table, I have the luxury of just not buying them if I feel like my wants aren't being met. lild1425

Agree with bold statement #2. Consumers are the ones that buy the product. It's the wonderful thing of capitalism. Basically the game companies/publishers should be kissing our asses. It's our money that keeps them going and even creates the business market to begin with. I think sometimes companies forget that and that's when they see their profits hit the tank. If the public doesn't like what they're putting out, the publishers go bye bye.

However, I do feel bad for some devs. Some decent devs like Superbot and THQ have gone bankrupt/been sold. But $60 a game is asinine. I wait until they drop to $20 or less.

I also agree with both of you.

Plus anyone like Cranler who seriously thinks that the average consumer (or average gamer) is going to praise or buy a console that doesn't allow trading or borrowing games are as dumb as mud.

nomems_1224

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Shielder7"] That would be a 100% biased poll. That would be almost as stupid as asking EA why people hate EA, or trying to get an general opinion on the Vita by going to a playstation showing. Your rationality is beyond stupid.Shielder7

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

Yeah so in your opinion only stupid people and rich people buy DvDs or Blu-ray. WoW what an idiotic opinion.

I think only stupid people would want to give away their right and see used games block. I got a felling more people are going to agree with me than you on this.

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

I only buy my fav movies. Most movies are worth one viewing so buying is silly. Its easier to rent a movie than a game. Blockbuster has a limited selection of games while most new movies are always available and then theirs streaming rentals. I have pc and ps360. I can rent if I want but I wait for good deals on pc. I could have bought Arkham City for $7.49 during the steam hilday sale but I'm waiting for to be $5.Shielder7

Bla bla bla this means nothing, what you do, how you like to spend your money and what systems you have is irrelevant. Not everyone like plying games on their PC or consoles wouldn't exist, not everyone is without data caps to download a bunch of games and Blockbuster is completely shut down in Canada so that's not even an option for movies or Games if your yeapering was relevant which it's not.

You don't seem to know what biased means.Royalists? Lol at the stupidity. Gamestop is stealing new game sales.Cranler

I don't think you even understand what stealing means let alone what biased means. Gamestop bought that used game back they can resell it for whatever they want and if no one buys it that's on them. The only stupidity here is coming from you.

Point is that you dont need to buy a dvd, you can rent the movie and easily finish it during the rental period.

Uncharted 3 is currenty $16 new on amazon.

Who besides a little kid would watch the same movie over and over? I might buy my absolute fav movies but thats it. Why would I buy a dvd for a movie I'll watch once? When Gamestop tries to talk a csutomer into saving $5 buying used they are trying to steal a sale from the pub. Its "royalties" not "royalists". How stupid can you be?