Should Used Games be Blocked on Next Gen Consoles?

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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]The thing is, what consumers want is a little bit more important than what developers and publishers want. Consumers are the ones buying the games and putting money into the hands of the people making and selling the games. Publishers needs consumers way more than consumers need publishers. Games aren't my job, they aren't what's putting food on my table, I have the luxury of just not buying them if I feel like my wants aren't being met. Shinobi120

Agree with bold statement #2. Consumers are the ones that buy the product. It's the wonderful thing of capitalism. Basically the game companies/publishers should be kissing our asses. It's our money that keeps them going and even creates the business market to begin with. I think sometimes companies forget that and that's when they see their profits hit the tank. If the public doesn't like what they're putting out, the publishers go bye bye.

However, I do feel bad for some devs. Some decent devs like Superbot and THQ have gone bankrupt/been sold. But $60 a game is asinine. I wait until they drop to $20 or less.

I also agree with both of you.

Plus anyone like Cranler who seriously thinks that the average consumer (or average gamer) is going to praise or buy a console that doesn't allow trading or borrowing games are as dumb as mud.

Where did i say consoles should block used games? I simply think Gamestop should either give a cut to the pub or sell used games for less.

Anyone who thinks consumers are going to buy a console that charges to play online are dumb as mud.

Where did i say consoles should block used games? I simply think Gamestop should either give a cut to the pub or sell used games for less.

Anyone who thinks consumers are going to buy a console that charges to play online are dumb as mud.

Cranler

Where did i say consoles should block used games? I simply think Gamestop should either give a cut to the pub or sell used games for less.

Anyone who thinks consumers are going to buy a console that charges to play online are dumb as mud.

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

Where did i say consoles should block used games? I simply think Gamestop should either give a cut to the pub or sell used games for less.

Anyone who thinks consumers are going to buy a console that charges to play online are dumb as mud.

MrGeezer

Where did i say consoles should block used games? I simply think Gamestop should either give a cut to the pub or sell used games for less.

Anyone who thinks consumers are going to buy a console that charges to play online are dumb as mud.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Cranler"]

Where did i say consoles should block used games? I simply think Gamestop should either give a cut to the pub or sell used games for less.

Anyone who thinks consumers are going to buy a console that charges to play online are dumb as mud.

jessejay420

i jus got aliens colonial Marines NEW. if i hadn't traded a few games i wouldn't have been able too which would have been a LOST SALE for the publisher:)delta3074

[QUOTE="jessejay420"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"] Why should they sell used games for less? If consumers are willing to buy a used game for a mere $5 less than a new copy, then why should Gamestop charge less than that? If customers are willing to pay $350 for Microsoft's and Sony's next console, then should Microsoft and Sony drop the price by $100? Companies charge what customers are willing to pay. And why should Gamestop give a cut of the money to publishers when Gamestop sells used games? The publishers aren't investing in those copies by buying them back. The publishers aren't the ones hiring people to make the transaction, the publishers aren't the ones giving the money in exchange for the game, the publishers aren't the ones having to let those games take up space with the risk of them still not selling. Gamestop is doing the work at this point, Gamestop is the one investing time and money, Gamestop is the one taking the risk. So why should the publisher benefit? If the publisher wants to benefit from secondhand sales, then they should be able to take the same risk as well. delta3074

[QUOTE="jessejay420"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"] Why should they sell used games for less? If consumers are willing to buy a used game for a mere $5 less than a new copy, then why should Gamestop charge less than that? If customers are willing to pay $350 for Microsoft's and Sony's next console, then should Microsoft and Sony drop the price by $100? Companies charge what customers are willing to pay. And why should Gamestop give a cut of the money to publishers when Gamestop sells used games? The publishers aren't investing in those copies by buying them back. The publishers aren't the ones hiring people to make the transaction, the publishers aren't the ones giving the money in exchange for the game, the publishers aren't the ones having to let those games take up space with the risk of them still not selling. Gamestop is doing the work at this point, Gamestop is the one investing time and money, Gamestop is the one taking the risk. So why should the publisher benefit? If the publisher wants to benefit from secondhand sales, then they should be able to take the same risk as well. Cranler

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="jessejay420"] You're talking to an idiot who needs a manual to play halo 4 :lol: what a moron :lol:delta3074

[QUOTE="delta3074"]i jus got aliens colonial Marines NEW. if i hadn't traded a few games i wouldn't have been able too which would have been a LOST SALE for the publisher:)Cranler

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Cranler"] An idiot who's so cheap he'll buy used instead of new from a low rated seller on amazon just to save $3.76.Cranler

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="delta3074"]i jus got aliens colonial Marines NEW. if i hadn't traded a few games i wouldn't have been able too which would have been a LOST SALE for the publisher:)delta3074

They will steal new sales from the pub by selling Gears and Far Cry for a few quid cheaper.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Cranler"] Surprised anyone is willingly admitting to buying that awful game. What games did you trade in if you dont mind me asking?Cranler

They will steal new sales from the pub by selling Gears and Far Cry for a few quid cheaper.

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[QUOTE="delta3074"]Farcry 3, Hunted, RAGE and gears 3, i got a leaflet through the door From game offering me colonial marines for Half price if i traded in a selected game which was farcry 3 so i threw in gears 3 cos i have played that to death and Hunted and RAGE i ended up paying 3 quid for a 45 quid game the end, SEGA got the complete cut for there game,publishers win, i win GAME wins because they can sell FC 3 and gears 3 Pre-owned, everyones a happy bunny. And for the record, i am thoroughly enjoying Colonial marines, i don't regret buying it at all, on my second playthrough already:)delta3074

They will steal new sales from the pub by selling Gears and Far Cry for a few quid cheaper.

Farcry 3, Hunted, RAGE and gears 3, i got a leaflet through the door From game offering me colonial marines for Half price if i traded in a selected game which was farcry 3 so i threw in gears 3 cos i have played that to death and Hunted and RAGE i ended up paying 3 quid for a 45 quid game the end, SEGA got the complete cut for there game,publishers win, i win GAME wins because they can sell FC 3 and gears 3 Pre-owned, everyones a happy bunny. And for the record, i am thoroughly enjoying Colonial marines, i don't regret buying it at all, on my second playthrough already:)delta3074

They will steal new sales from the pub by selling Gears and Far Cry for a few quid cheaper.

How exactly can milk be used as a model for used games?

How exactly can milk be used as a model for used games?

psymon100

How exactly can milk be used as a model for used games?

psymon100

Hey Cranier! i have a half gallon of milkin the fridge,wanna buy it? :lol: only $1 cheaper than the store price :lol:jessejay420

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How exactly can milk be used as a model for used games?

Cranler

They will steal new sales from the pub by selling Gears and Far Cry for a few quid cheaper.

[QUOTE="jessejay420"]Hey Cranier! i have a half gallon of milkin the fridge,wanna buy it? :lol: only $1 cheaper than the store price :lol:Cranler

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="psymon100"]

How exactly can milk be used as a model for used games?

jessejay420

[QUOTE="jessejay420"]Hey Cranier! i have a half gallon of milkin the fridge,wanna buy it? :lol: only $1 cheaper than the store price :lol:Cranler

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="delta3074"]if i didn't trade games i wouldn't be able to afford to buy games new, i Trade to make sure that all the games i get are NEW to support the Developer , i could always keep them and buy all my games Pre-owned for 10 quid cheaper,Note that farcry 3 is still Full price (40 quid) New but only 30 quid preowned, Maybe i should have saved money by buying Pre-owned to get colonial marines eh. Things are not as Black and White as you would want people to believe. AND it's not stealing at all, i suggest you look up the defenition of theft sunshine:)delta3074

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

[QUOTE="jessejay420"]Hey Cranier! i have a half gallon of milkin the fridge,wanna buy it? :lol: only $1 cheaper than the store price :lol:jessejay420

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[QUOTE="jessejay420"]Hey Cranier! i have a half gallon of milkin the fridge,wanna buy it? :lol: only $1 cheaper than the store price :lol:delta3074

[QUOTE="jessejay420"][QUOTE="Cranler"] It certainly would not hurt the dairy farmers like a used game might hurt the devs and pubs. Knowing you its probably got piss in it.

Cranler

Hey Cranier! i have a half gallon of milkin the fridge,wanna buy it? :lol: only $1 cheaper than the store price :lol:jessejay420

[QUOTE="jessejay420"][QUOTE="Cranler"] The same could be said for clothes and cars but those get used as a model for games also. Cranler

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="delta3074"]if i didn't trade games i wouldn't be able to afford to buy games new, i Trade to make sure that all the games i get are NEW to support the Developer , i could always keep them and buy all my games Pre-owned for 10 quid cheaper,Note that farcry 3 is still Full price (40 quid) New but only 30 quid preowned, Maybe i should have saved money by buying Pre-owned to get colonial marines eh. Things are not as Black and White as you would want people to believe. AND it's not stealing at all, i suggest you look up the defenition of theft sunshine:)delta3074

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Cranler"] It certainly would not hurt the dairy farmers like a used game might hurt the devs and pubs. Knowing you its probably got piss in it.Cranler

i jus got aliens colonial Marines NEW. if i hadn't traded a few games i wouldn't have been able too which would have been a LOST SALE for the publisher:)delta3074

Oh dear, to figure out the loss to gave publishers you have to consider people other then just you. 

What about the games you traded in? When people buy those how much of that money goes to the publisher?

Cranier got owned the second he started comparing games to Milk and Charity :lol:jessejay420

[QUOTE="delta3074"]i jus got aliens colonial Marines NEW. if i hadn't traded a few games i wouldn't have been able too which would have been a LOST SALE for the publisher:)tenaka2

Oh dear, to figure out the loss to gave publishers you have to consider people other then just you.

What about the games you traded in? When people buy those how much of that money goes to the publisher?

72% of the people in this thread are for used games.. in other words, 72% think Cranier is an Idiot :lol: anyone up for some halo 4? i have a manual :lol:jessejay420

[QUOTE="delta3074"]i jus got aliens colonial Marines NEW. if i hadn't traded a few games i wouldn't have been able too which would have been a LOST SALE for the publisher:)tenaka2

Oh dear, to figure out the loss to gave publishers you have to consider people other then just you. 

What about the games you traded in? When people buy those how much of that money goes to the publisher?

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[QUOTE="delta3074"]i jus got aliens colonial Marines NEW. if i hadn't traded a few games i wouldn't have been able too which would have been a LOST SALE for the publisher:)Cranler

Oh dear, to figure out the loss to gave publishers you have to consider people other then just you.

What about the games you traded in? When people buy those how much of that money goes to the publisher?

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]i jus got aliens colonial Marines NEW. if i hadn't traded a few games i wouldn't have been able too which would have been a LOST SALE for the publisher:)delta3074

Oh dear, to figure out the loss to gave publishers you have to consider people other then just you. 

What about the games you traded in? When people buy those how much of that money goes to the publisher?

Anecdotal?

When a person buys a used game from ASDA none of the money goes to the publisher, there is no proof required, the information is factual.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Oh dear, to figure out the loss to gave publishers you have to consider people other then just you. 

What about the games you traded in? When people buy those how much of that money goes to the publisher?

tenaka2

Anecdotal?

When a person buys a used game from ASDA none of the money goes to the publisher, there is no proof required, the information is factual.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]Tell you what, i AM doing my bit to support the publisher, Buying all my games New, Does the publisher give a F*** about me and my Family, no they don't, so give me one good reason why i should give a f*** about them , Also, can you Prove that every Prowned sale is a loss for the publisher? it's a baseless assumption that if people couldn't buy a game Pre-owned they would buy it new, bottom line is that Blocking Pre-owned games is ANTI- consumer, which side of the fence are you on, the hard working consumer or are you a corperate b**** bot for Big industry Publishers like Activision or EA because the only publishers i see moan about Pre-owned sales are the comapnys that DO make huge Bank in the games industry, which would you Prefer i do? trade in my old games to buy new or just buy all my games Pre-owned, those are the only options for me and i choose the lesser of 2 evils. People moaning about Pre-owned games based on completely baseless assumptions and unproven Anecdotal evidence, wheres the Proof from the publishers that Pre-owned sales affect there bottom line?delta3074

Anecdotal?

When a person buys a used game from ASDA none of the money goes to the publisher, there is no proof required, the information is factual.

It really is basic economics, if you work out yout total spend on games for a year, lets say it is 200 quid. If 50% of that was spent on used games then obviously the publusher gets £100 quid from you per year.

If used games didn't exist you would still spend £200 a year on games, 100% of which would go to the publisher.

If companies offered 2 versions of a game, a boxed version for £60 (tradable) and a digital only (non-tradable) for £30 which one would you get?