Simple Fact: Loading times in PS3 games are shorter then 360 games.

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#51 stylesPS3
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[QUOTE="stylesPS3"]doesnt get bigger, just uses more space because the data is kept decompressed. Ninja-Hippo
No. Just no. Games are shipped on a number of digital tapes which are then burned to a disc. They dont compress one and not compress the other. Also; news flash, a compressed game loads faster than an uncompressed one. It's easier to read 50mb of data off a disc than it is to read 200GB.

look up, you clearly dont even know what your talking about if you think the ps3 games dont use uncompressed data.
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#52 TOAO_Cyrus1
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360 games use compressed data and every time a game needs to load, the data needs to be decompressed either with RAM or in the HD. Bluray's space is utilized for decompressed data and this simple fact is why you will notice ps3 games have shorter loading times then 360.

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On the other hand PS3's drive is slower then the 360's. Also disk drives are the slowest part of the system by far so in many cases its faster to load a smaller amount of compressed data and decompress it then to load a large amount of uncompressed data. This of course varies depending in the efficiency of the decompression algorithm and the compression ratio.

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#53 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

That is 100% not true. Also in almost all cases compressing and compressing data is tremendously faster than reading it off an optical drive uncompressed.

stylesPS3
this mainly applies to sounds in game, they are read dynamically off an optical drive if need be, but they need to be decompressed first . you dont get loading times before every sound in a game, but if it is compressed it needs to be be decompressed first, loaded again, then ready for use.

no no no wrong wrong wrong, its still a simple fact It is far faster to read, and decompressed 50 megabytes of information then it would be to just read and load 100 megabytes of information it doesn't matter what your working with its all ways faster to load a small bit of info that a super fast cpu then decompresses then it would for a slow dvd or bluray drive to just load the data.
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="stylesPS3"]doesnt get bigger, just uses more space because the data is kept decompressed. stylesPS3
No. Just no. Games are shipped on a number of digital tapes which are then burned to a disc. They dont compress one and not compress the other. Also; news flash, a compressed game loads faster than an uncompressed one. It's easier to read 50mb of data off a disc than it is to read 200GB.

look up, you clearly dont even know what your talking about if you think the ps3 games dont use uncompressed data.

PS3 games generally dont use compressed data. First party games, certainly. Take a look at Resistance; it nearly filled the whole disc, yet was it a massive game? No. Just uncompressed. But multiplat games? No. Developers dont go to special lengths to make the data uncompressed for the PS3. Besides, the more data you have to read, the longer the load times. The smaller the space you use, the faster it loads. So, as about 50 people have told you, your thread is flat-out wrong. PS3 games by and large take longer to load. That doesn't make them bad games by any means, but it makes you dead wrong.
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#55 The_Game21x
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In my experience, it's usually the other way around.

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Exactly what I was going to say.
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#56 TOAO_Cyrus1
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="stylesPS3"]doesnt get bigger, just uses more space because the data is kept decompressed. stylesPS3
No. Just no. Games are shipped on a number of digital tapes which are then burned to a disc. They dont compress one and not compress the other. Also; news flash, a compressed game loads faster than an uncompressed one. It's easier to read 50mb of data off a disc than it is to read 200GB.

look up, you clearly dont even know what your talking about if you think the ps3 games dont use uncompressed data.

They do for quality reasons but the biggest example of uncompresed data is MGS4 and that has to install gigs upon gigs to the hardrive to compensate.
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#57 stylesPS3
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[QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"][QUOTE="stylesPS3"]

360 games use compressed data and every time a game needs to load, the data needs to be decompressed either with RAM or in the HD. Bluray's space is utilized for decompressed data and this simple fact is why you will notice ps3 games have shorter loading times then 360.

On the other hand PS3's drive is slower then the 360's. Also disk drives are the slowest part of the system by far so in many cases its faster to load a smaller amount compressed and decompress it then to load a large amount of uncompressed data. This of course varies depending in the efficiency of the decompression algorithm and the compression ratio.

doesnt really matter that the drive is slower, because the only things read off of the disk are the uncompressed sounds, if they were compressed they would need to be moved to memory (ram) decompressed and then played. these are two reasons why the 360 sounds like an airplane is about to go off: 1. the disk being read for so much 2. the constant decompression. the ps3 however moves what would need to be read off of disk straight to harddrive to decrease these load times and uses bluray for a pool of uncompressed data which is the only thing the disk drive is used for reading, hence the smooth peaceful ocean wave sounds that come from the ps3.
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#58 WilliamRLBaker
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A modern cpu can decompress a compressed file about 200-300X faster then a optical medium would take to load the uncompressed version of that file...

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#59 rolo107
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So not true, load times are much longer on PS3 in general, and when they are faster it is only due to the install which takes up time and space in itself. And l don't think the data being uncompressed makes a difference, otherwise what would be the point of an install, etc.? The blu-ray medium is just a bottleneck for loadtimes, or at least l believe so from what l've read.
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#60 stylesPS3
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A modern cpu can decompress a compressed file about 200-300X faster then a optical medium would take to load the uncompressed version of that file...

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read my post above yours.
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#61 -Pred-Alien-
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[QUOTE="-Pred-Alien-"][QUOTE="stylesPS3"] ive played both, and you are lying. ps3 version is not even a single second when entering into your house or other loading screens.stylesPS3
Wow you really know how to make people laugh dont you:lol:

whats so funny? why dont you add something to the convo insteady of putting yourself into heiarchy.

Because on the 360 version there are NO loads going in and out of a building:lol:
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#62 stylesPS3
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[QUOTE="stylesPS3"][QUOTE="-Pred-Alien-"]Wow you really know how to make people laugh dont you:lol:-Pred-Alien-
whats so funny? why dont you add something to the convo insteady of putting yourself into heiarchy.

Because on the 360 version there are NO loads going in and out of a building:lol:

neither is the ps3 version, im talking about the the parts that do have it. unless going into your house with that arrow pointing down doesnt fade to a black screen, there is load times :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: get it? no need to laugh so hard.

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#63 cainetao11
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In my experience, it's usually the other way around.

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Same here. Theory is great and all, but I have both in the same desk unit. 360 is faster in my house.
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#64 TOAO_Cyrus1
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[QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"][QUOTE="stylesPS3"]

360 games use compressed data and every time a game needs to load, the data needs to be decompressed either with RAM or in the HD. Bluray's space is utilized for decompressed data and this simple fact is why you will notice ps3 games have shorter loading times then 360.

stylesPS3

On the other hand PS3's drive is slower then the 360's. Also disk drives are the slowest part of the system by far so in many cases its faster to load a smaller amount compressed and decompress it then to load a large amount of uncompressed data. This of course varies depending in the efficiency of the decompression algorithm and the compression ratio.

doesnt really matter that the drive is slower, because the only things read off of the disk are the uncompressed sounds, if they were compressed they would need to be moved to memory (ram) decompressed and then played. these are two reasons why the 360 sounds like an airplane is about to go off: 1. the disk being read for so much 2. the constant decompression. the ps3 however moves what would need to be read off of disk straight to harddrive to decrease these load times and uses bluray for a pool of uncompressed data which is the only thing the disk drive is used for reading, hence the smooth peaceful ocean wave sounds that come from the ps3.

Some 360's are loud because of cheap DVD players. My current one is just as quite as my PS3. And you have got it completely backwords, uncompressed sound is much larger then compressed sound so it requires much more loading from the disk, MGS4 and other first party games get around this by doing installs, most everyone else just uses compressed audio. Using compressed data minimizes disk reads on the 360, not the other way around.

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#65 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

A modern cpu can decompress a compressed file about 200-300X faster then a optical medium would take to load the uncompressed version of that file...

stylesPS3
read my post above yours.

all ready did and its complete drivel, Since games use the 360 hard drive if it is present as a storage medium even without install they use it as a cache, and with install they load even faster. Ps3 multiplats DO NOT load faster then the 360 versions of those games, even when theres an install for said games they OFTEN load still slower then when the game isn't installed on the 360 and forget about when you install it my god it beats it out LIKE THAT! *snap of the fingers* FACT: The bluray drive in the ps3 is slower then the dvd drive in the 360, Constant speed ratings that the bluray is capable of are infact a hindrance since no must have data can be placed at parts of the disc that read faster then other parts like in DVD, DVD non-consistent speed are infact a benefit because ""often"" used data can be placed in I believe *outer tracks* where the top speed of the DVD is achieved ensuring the most needed data is loaded FAR faster then is capable on the ps3 regardless of where the data track is located inner or outer track. FACT: It is faster to have a compressed file load and be decompressed by the CPU then it is to just load uncompressed data, As I said before a modern CPU is capable of decompressing and loading a compressed file 200-300 x faster then a optical drive of any type is able to just load the uncompressed data.
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this guy does realize that games with installs for4 ps3 dont install the whole disc, it only instals the most important(teh most used info) on the disc for muich faster access, so most of the data is still on the blu-ray (and that is slow as hell) so some parts might load faster but the majoritty won't load faster on ps3. 360 on the other hand, installs the whole disc on the hd, thus even with "decompression" it is still much faster then ps3 nice try ,
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#67 stylesPS3
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do u ever wonder why if two same games can be installed on both 360 and ps3, why they are different sizes? it is because they install different things. 360 installs a bit of decompressed data to compensate for all of that decompression, while the ps3 installs the actual game because it has the storage neccessary to hold the decompressed data (bluray). a whole game is usually no bigger then 5gb, but the sounds alone make up more room then the whole game size. 360 tries to compensate for this, and if they could fit all the data as decompressed like the ps3 can, they would.
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#68 stylesPS3
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this guy does realize that games with installs for4 ps3 dont install the whole disc, it only instals the most important(teh most used info) on the disc for muich faster access, so most of the data is still on the blu-ray (and that is slow as hell) so some parts might load faster but the majoritty won't load faster on ps3. 360 on the other hand, installs the whole disc on the hd, thus even with "decompression" it is still much faster then ps3 nice try ,adman66
a whole game is less then 5gb, its the sounds in the game that make up the majority of GB's. most ps3 games install the whole game on HD because they dont need to worry about the sounds as they are already decompressed. microsoft uses its optical drive and reads the game straight off disk, and even when they do installs, they are just taking away a load off the optical drive by moving some decompressed data onto the hard drive. two different ways of using it, doesnt matter if blu ray is slow as hell after install it is just reading sounds off the disk.
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#69 stylesPS3
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[QUOTE="stylesPS3"][QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"] On the other hand PS3's drive is slower then the 360's. Also disk drives are the slowest part of the system by far so in many cases its faster to load a smaller amount compressed and decompress it then to load a large amount of uncompressed data. This of course varies depending in the efficiency of the decompression algorithm and the compression ratio.TOAO_Cyrus1

doesnt really matter that the drive is slower, because the only things read off of the disk are the uncompressed sounds, if they were compressed they would need to be moved to memory (ram) decompressed and then played. these are two reasons why the 360 sounds like an airplane is about to go off: 1. the disk being read for so much 2. the constant decompression. the ps3 however moves what would need to be read off of disk straight to harddrive to decrease these load times and uses bluray for a pool of uncompressed data which is the only thing the disk drive is used for reading, hence the smooth peaceful ocean wave sounds that come from the ps3.

Some 360's are loud because of cheap DVD players. My current one is just as quite as my PS3. And you have got it completely backwords, uncompressed sound is much larger then compressed sound so it requires much more loading from the disk, MGS4 and other first party games get around this by doing installs, most everyone else just uses compressed audio. Using compressed data minimizes disk reads on the 360, not the other way around.

of course its cuz of the dvd player making sounds, because the disk is constantly being read for the game to decompress the data. im not arguing with that i agree.
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looks like the TC had resorted to basically covering his ears and going lalalalala. lol

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[QUOTE="stylesPS3"]do u ever wonder why if two same games can be installed on both 360 and ps3, why they are different sizes? it is because they install different things. 360 installs a bit of decompressed data to compensate for all of that decompression, while the ps3 installs the actual game because it has the storage neccessary to hold the decompressed data (bluray). a whole game is usually no bigger then 5gb, but the sounds alone make up more room then the whole game size. 360 tries to compensate for this, and if they could fit all the data as decompressed like the ps3 can, they would.

*laughs hard* oh god...oh man so much wrong...its hard to take...*laughs* so let me get this straight larger games on the ps3 that take up 20-30 gigs of bluray install 5 gigs and this means the ps3 installs the entire game? Yet 360 NXE installs take up average 6-7 gigs of information.....And they come on dvds which hold 8 gigs or so of information...and its not installing the full game? *laughs hard* FACT:Mgs4 took up 32gigs of a 50 gig bluray at most its sound used about 10 gigs....so 22 gigs aren't installed because 5 gigs are installed? Wow so much wrong in a post, But I can tell why you've changed the subject and are no longer trying to claim ps3 multiplats load faster then 360 versions, because you've been proven wrong so many times.
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#72 stylesPS3
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[QUOTE="stylesPS3"]do u ever wonder why if two same games can be installed on both 360 and ps3, why they are different sizes? it is because they install different things. 360 installs a bit of decompressed data to compensate for all of that decompression, while the ps3 installs the actual game because it has the storage neccessary to hold the decompressed data (bluray). a whole game is usually no bigger then 5gb, but the sounds alone make up more room then the whole game size. 360 tries to compensate for this, and if they could fit all the data as decompressed like the ps3 can, they would.WilliamRLBaker
*laughs hard* oh god...oh man so much wrong...its hard to take...*laughs* so let me get this straight larger games on the ps3 that take up 20-30 gigs of bluray install 5 gigs and this means the ps3 installs the entire game? Yet 360 NXE installs take up average 6-7 gigs of information.....And they come on dvds which hold 8 gigs or so of information...and its not installing the full game? *laughs hard* FACT:Mgs4 took up 32gigs of a 50 gig bluray at most its sound used about 10 gigs....so 22 gigs aren't installed because 5 gigs are installed? Wow so much wrong in a post, But I can tell why you've changed the subject and are no longer trying to claim ps3 multiplats load faster then 360 versions, because you've been proven wrong so many times.

lol at thinking theres a 22gig game even with that extreme example. you want to look at large sizes of games? simple, look at pc games. rarely will you find a game more then 5gb. and thats with everything in it.
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#73 delta3074
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[QUOTE="stylesPS3"][QUOTE="omgimba"]

The bluray player on the PS3 is slow. About the same speed as the Xbox's DVD player (I think its slitghtly slower actully).

Reading 5 times more data with the same speed takes 5 times as long speed.

This isn't everything but it sure is something. There is a reason the PS3 needs installs for many games.

yes there is a reason, it is because blu ray holds so much data that it would be more efficient to move some of it to HD instead of reading it off the disk.

no it's not, it's because the blu-ray drive in the ps3 is only 2 speed, the game installs are to stop the loading from the disc becoming incredibly slow, besides, on the 360 you can install the whole game to the HDD, and anyone will tell you that loading from the HDD is faster than any disc loading.
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="stylesPS3"][QUOTE="omgimba"]

The bluray player on the PS3 is slow. About the same speed as the Xbox's DVD player (I think its slitghtly slower actully).

Reading 5 times more data with the same speed takes 5 times as long speed.

This isn't everything but it sure is something. There is a reason the PS3 needs installs for many games.

yes there is a reason, it is because blu ray holds so much data that it would be more efficient to move some of it to HD instead of reading it off the disk.

no it's not, it's because the blu-ray drive in the ps3 is only 2 speed, the game installs are to stop the loading from the disc becoming incredibly slow, besides, on the 360 you can install the whole game to the HDD, and anyone will tell you that loading from the HDD is faster than any disc loading.

i already agreed, i stated this was another reason they move it to HD.
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#75 delta3074
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="stylesPS3"] yes there is a reason, it is because blu ray holds so much data that it would be more efficient to move some of it to HD instead of reading it off the disk. stylesPS3
no it's not, it's because the blu-ray drive in the ps3 is only 2 speed, the game installs are to stop the loading from the disc becoming incredibly slow, besides, on the 360 you can install the whole game to the HDD, and anyone will tell you that loading from the HDD is faster than any disc loading.

i already agreed, i stated this was another reason they move it to HD.

good, then you agree that the 360 obviously loads faster, like i said, loading the game from the HDD is the fastest method of loading.
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Compressed is smaller so it reads faster, data is even compressed on blu-ray.
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360 games use compressed data and every time a game needs to load, the data needs to be decompressed either with RAM or in the HD. Bluray's space is utilized for decompressed data and this simple fact is why you will notice ps3 games have shorter loading times then 360.

stylesPS3

WRONG. Do some research before you try to post facts.

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[QUOTE="LinKuei_warrior"]

lol are you kidding me?GTA IV on PS3 gave me like 5-7 loading screens..when xbox 360 version only goes through 3-5

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ive played both. ps3 version is not even a single second when entering into your house or other loading screens.

No.

http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/ps3-vs-360-gtaiv-load-times/213730

360 has faster loads. Who are you trying to fool?

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[QUOTE="stylesPS3"][QUOTE="delta3074"]no it's not, it's because the blu-ray drive in the ps3 is only 2 speed, the game installs are to stop the loading from the disc becoming incredibly slow, besides, on the 360 you can install the whole game to the HDD, and anyone will tell you that loading from the HDD is faster than any disc loading.delta3074
i already agreed, i stated this was another reason they move it to HD.

good, then you agree that the 360 obviously loads faster, like i said, loading the game from the HDD is the fastest method of loading.

yes loading from HDD is the fastest, and if you read my post you would see that the games are installed on the HD, and the uncompressed sounds are read straight off disk simultaneously, which is why the ps3 has faster loading times.
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#80 stylesPS3
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="stylesPS3"] i already agreed, i stated this was another reason they move it to HD.stylesPS3
good, then you agree that the 360 obviously loads faster, like i said, loading the game from the HDD is the fastest method of loading.

yes loading from HDD is the fastest, and if you read my post you would see that the games are installed on the HD, and the uncompressed sounds are read straight off disk simultaneously, which is why the ps3 has faster loading times.

the 360 can either run the game from the HD too and keep decompressing sounds from disk, or they can install some of the decompressed sounds and read the game off disk. or it can do everything off disk. the latter is what they usually do with the second option being if u can install the game. the first option however is not plausible for the 360 as it would be innefficient to use the HD space for game when they could eliminate a part of the compression problem and just read everything elsestraight off disk.

the ps3 uses the first option, and already has decompressed sounds on disk so they just read it straight.

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#81 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="stylesPS3"]do u ever wonder why if two same games can be installed on both 360 and ps3, why they are different sizes? it is because they install different things. 360 installs a bit of decompressed data to compensate for all of that decompression, while the ps3 installs the actual game because it has the storage neccessary to hold the decompressed data (bluray). a whole game is usually no bigger then 5gb, but the sounds alone make up more room then the whole game size. 360 tries to compensate for this, and if they could fit all the data as decompressed like the ps3 can, they would.stylesPS3
*laughs hard* oh god...oh man so much wrong...its hard to take...*laughs* so let me get this straight larger games on the ps3 that take up 20-30 gigs of bluray install 5 gigs and this means the ps3 installs the entire game? Yet 360 NXE installs take up average 6-7 gigs of information.....And they come on dvds which hold 8 gigs or so of information...and its not installing the full game? *laughs hard* FACT:Mgs4 took up 32gigs of a 50 gig bluray at most its sound used about 10 gigs....so 22 gigs aren't installed because 5 gigs are installed? Wow so much wrong in a post, But I can tell why you've changed the subject and are no longer trying to claim ps3 multiplats load faster then 360 versions, because you've been proven wrong so many times.

lol at thinking theres a 22gig game even with that extreme example. you want to look at large sizes of games? simple, look at pc games. rarely will you find a game more then 5gb. and thats with everything in it.

okay man whatever you say :roll: i mean come on so i guess the 32 gigs of mgs 4 is just redundent data then right?
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[QUOTE="stylesPS3"][QUOTE="delta3074"]good, then you agree that the 360 obviously loads faster, like i said, loading the game from the HDD is the fastest method of loading.stylesPS3

yes loading from HDD is the fastest, and if you read my post you would see that the games are installed on the HD, and the uncompressed sounds are read straight off disk simultaneously, which is why the ps3 has faster loading times.

the 360 can either run the game from the HD too and keep decompressing sounds from disk, or they can install some of the decompressed sounds and read the game off disk. or it can do everything off disk. the latter is what they usually do with the second option being if u can install the game. the first option however is not plausible for the 360 as it would be innefficient to use the HD space for game when they could eliminate a part of the compression problem and just read everything elsestraight off disk.

um no....when you install a game to the 360 it installs the entire game, which is why when you install the game and have the disc in the drive for verification it NEVER loads from the disc the disc drive never moves or loads information after that.
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#83 stylesPS3
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="stylesPS3"]

yes loading from HDD is the fastest, and if you read my post you would see that the games are installed on the HD, and the uncompressed sounds are read straight off disk simultaneously, which is why the ps3 has faster loading times.stylesPS3
the 360 can either run the game from the HD too and keep decompressing sounds from disk, or they can install some of the decompressed sounds and read the game off disk. or it can do everything off disk. the latter is what they usually do with the second option being if u can install the game. the first option however is not plausible for the 360 as it would be innefficient to use the HD space for game when they could eliminate a part of the compression problem and just read everything elsestraight off disk.

um no....when you install a game to the 360 it installs the entire game, which is why when you install the game and have the disc in the drive for verification it NEVER loads from the disc the disc drive never moves or loads information after that.

yes just like the 22 gig game which has less then 5 hours of actual gameplay right? and by your logic the 360 versions must be "less" of a game since the installs are smaller sizes. or wait, does the 360 maybe have a magic hard drive? Thats it, that is exactly what it must be,microsoft has been holding out on us with a magic hard drive requires less space from the same game that a normal hard drive requires. maybe that 22 ****in gig game would only requires 3 gigs on this particular magic hard drive.
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="stylesPS3"] the 360 can either run the game from the HD too and keep decompressing sounds from disk, or they can install some of the decompressed sounds and read the game off disk. or it can do everything off disk. the latter is what they usually do with the second option being if u can install the game. the first option however is not plausible for the 360 as it would be innefficient to use the HD space for game when they could eliminate a part of the compression problem and just read everything elsestraight off disk.

stylesPS3

um no....when you install a game to the 360 it installs the entire game, which is why when you install the game and have the disc in the drive for verification it NEVER loads from the disc the disc drive never moves or loads information after that.

yes just like the 22 gig game which has less then 5 hours of actual gameplay right? and by your logic the 360 versions must be "less" of a game since the installs are smaller sizes. or wait, does the 360 maybe have a magic hard drive? Thats it, that is exactly what it must be,microsoft has been holding out on us with a magic hard drive requires less space from the same game that a normal hard drive requires. maybe that 22 ****in gig game would only requires 3 gigs on this particular magic hard drive.

LOL just give up already!:lol:

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really?
mgs4 had load times left and right even after a ridiciculous install time (btw you have even a LONGER load time before every act)

yaaa right TC

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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="stylesPS3"] the 360 can either run the game from the HD too and keep decompressing sounds from disk, or they can install some of the decompressed sounds and read the game off disk. or it can do everything off disk. the latter is what they usually do with the second option being if u can install the game. the first option however is not plausible for the 360 as it would be innefficient to use the HD space for game when they could eliminate a part of the compression problem and just read everything elsestraight off disk.

stylesPS3

um no....when you install a game to the 360 it installs the entire game, which is why when you install the game and have the disc in the drive for verification it NEVER loads from the disc the disc drive never moves or loads information after that.

yes just like the 22 gig game which has less then 5 hours of actual gameplay right? and by your logic the 360 versions must be "less" of a game since the installs are smaller sizes. or wait, does the 360 maybe have a magic hard drive? Thats it, that is exactly what it must be,microsoft has been holding out on us with a magic hard drive requires less space from the same game that a normal hard drive requires. maybe that 22 ****in gig game would only requires 3 gigs on this particular magic hard drive.

lol wow im done with you im really done ive gotta go watch southpark now and mow the lawn but ill leave you with this.

FACT: every game that requires an install on the ps3 on average installs 5-6 gigs of data, with 1st party games vergeing on 30-40 gigs...yeah thats all that needs to be said, about that, then you have 360 games which take up a 8 gig dvd or so and install on average 6-7 gigs of data....

FACT: when a 360 game is installed on the 360 after the verification load of the disc the disc no longer moves nor loads any data which is why the system is so quiet because no data is being loaded off the disc but from the hard drive.

You have been proven wrong by every one and their brother that multiplatform games load faster on the 360 then they do on the ps3 even when the ps3 version requires an install the 360 version loading from disc still often loads faster and when its installed in NXE? lol *snaps fingers

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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="stylesPS3"] i already agreed, i stated this was another reason they move it to HD.stylesPS3
good, then you agree that the 360 obviously loads faster, like i said, loading the game from the HDD is the fastest method of loading.

yes loading from HDD is the fastest, and if you read my post you would see that the games are installed on the HD, and the uncompressed sounds are read straight off disk simultaneously, which is why the ps3 has faster loading times.

Wow are you purposely ignoring the fact 360 games load faster? Everyone is proving proof and you keep spouting the same fanboy drivel. Stop drinking the Sony kool-aid.
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[QUOTE="stylesPS3"][QUOTE="delta3074"]good, then you agree that the 360 obviously loads faster, like i said, loading the game from the HDD is the fastest method of loading.kingtito
yes loading from HDD is the fastest, and if you read my post you would see that the games are installed on the HD, and the uncompressed sounds are read straight off disk simultaneously, which is why the ps3 has faster loading times.

Wow are you purposely ignoring the fact 360 games load faster? Everyone is proving proof and you keep spouting the same fanboy drivel. Stop drinking the Sony kool-aid.

since gta4 and oblivion werent enough. have you ever waited for assassins creed to load the world on a 360? i have, and it gave me enough time to pour shots for 5 people down them, wipe my face, and still give me a few more seconds to wait. then one day i went out and bought a ps3, and bought assassins creed and guess what, the load times were horrible, but not even half as bad as it was when i played it on 360. This is called proof, not raving fanboys. proof is when youve tried both, and can share it with the rest and let them try it for themselves without hiding anything not "i disagree"
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[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="stylesPS3"] yes loading from HDD is the fastest, and if you read my post you would see that the games are installed on the HD, and the uncompressed sounds are read straight off disk simultaneously, which is why the ps3 has faster loading times.stylesPS3
Wow are you purposely ignoring the fact 360 games load faster? Everyone is proving proof and you keep spouting the same fanboy drivel. Stop drinking the Sony kool-aid.

since gta4 and oblivion werent enough. have you ever waited for assassins creed to load the world on a 360? i have, and it gave me enough time to pour shots for 5 people down them, wipe my face, and still give me a few more seconds to wait. then one day i went out and bought a ps3, and bought assassins creed and guess what, the load times were horrible, but not even half as bad as it was when i played it on 360. This is called proof, not raving fanboys. proof is when youve tried both, and can share it with the rest and let them try it for themselves without hiding anything not "i disagree"

Wow you need to step up to a mirror. :roll:

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Why haven't you responded to Ninja-Hippo's post? Oh, right, because he SLAUGHTERED YOU. Fool.

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I think this is necessary: cool story bro.

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[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="stylesPS3"] yes loading from HDD is the fastest, and if you read my post you would see that the games are installed on the HD, and the uncompressed sounds are read straight off disk simultaneously, which is why the ps3 has faster loading times.stylesPS3
Wow are you purposely ignoring the fact 360 games load faster? Everyone is proving proof and you keep spouting the same fanboy drivel. Stop drinking the Sony kool-aid.

since gta4 and oblivion werent enough. have you ever waited for assassins creed to load the world on a 360? i have, and it gave me enough time to pour shots for 5 people down them, wipe my face, and still give me a few more seconds to wait. then one day i went out and bought a ps3, and bought assassins creed and guess what, the load times were horrible, but not even half as bad as it was when i played it on 360. This is called proof, not raving fanboys. proof is when youve tried both, and can share it with the rest and let them try it for themselves without hiding anything not "i disagree"

I did the same thing and got the opposite results!

No wait, I'm lying... Anecdotal evidence FTL?

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[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="stylesPS3"] yes loading from HDD is the fastest, and if you read my post you would see that the games are installed on the HD, and the uncompressed sounds are read straight off disk simultaneously, which is why the ps3 has faster loading times.stylesPS3
Wow are you purposely ignoring the fact 360 games load faster? Everyone is proving proof and you keep spouting the same fanboy drivel. Stop drinking the Sony kool-aid.

since gta4 and oblivion werent enough. have you ever waited for assassins creed to load the world on a 360? i have, and it gave me enough time to pour shots for 5 people down them, wipe my face, and still give me a few more seconds to wait. then one day i went out and bought a ps3, and bought assassins creed and guess what, the load times were horrible, but not even half as bad as it was when i played it on 360. This is called proof, not raving fanboys. proof is when youve tried both, and can share it with the rest and let them try it for themselves without hiding anything not "i disagree"

No, that's not "proof". "Proof" is when you have evidence to back-up your claim.... Which you don't have.

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Why haven't you responded to Ninja-Hippo's post? Oh, right, because he SLAUGHTERED YOU. Fool.

wapahala
lol so u agree with the guy who thinks ps3 games dont use uncompressed data. and your calling me a fool? lol.
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ITT: fast track to mental asylum

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[QUOTE="stylesPS3"][QUOTE="kingtito"] Wow are you purposely ignoring the fact 360 games load faster? Everyone is proving proof and you keep spouting the same fanboy drivel. Stop drinking the Sony kool-aid. wapahala

since gta4 and oblivion werent enough. have you ever waited for assassins creed to load the world on a 360? i have, and it gave me enough time to pour shots for 5 people down them, wipe my face, and still give me a few more seconds to wait. then one day i went out and bought a ps3, and bought assassins creed and guess what, the load times were horrible, but not even half as bad as it was when i played it on 360. This is called proof, not raving fanboys. proof is when youve tried both, and can share it with the rest and let them try it for themselves without hiding anything not "i disagree"

No, that's not "proof". "Proof" is when you have evidence to back-up your claim.... Which you don't have.

its more proof then he was stating as proof. there is nothing stopping you from proving or disproving my claim so i dont see how its not legit
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[QUOTE="wapahala"]

Why haven't you responded to Ninja-Hippo's post? Oh, right, because he SLAUGHTERED YOU. Fool.

stylesPS3

lol so u agree with the guy who thinks ps3 games dont use uncompressed data. and your calling me a fool? lol.

*sigh* Read his post without being a total ass.

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[QUOTE="wapahala"]

Why haven't you responded to Ninja-Hippo's post? Oh, right, because he SLAUGHTERED YOU. Fool.

stylesPS3

lol so u agree with the guy who thinks ps3 games dont use uncompressed data. and your calling me a fool? lol.

Don't call any one a fool because the cows will report you just like what happen to me.

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[QUOTE="wapahala"]

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"] since gta4 and oblivion werent enough. have you ever waited for assassins creed to load the world on a 360? i have, and it gave me enough time to pour shots for 5 people down them, wipe my face, and still give me a few more seconds to wait. then one day i went out and bought a ps3, and bought assassins creed and guess what, the load times were horrible, but not even half as bad as it was when i played it on 360. This is called proof, not raving fanboys. proof is when youve tried both, and can share it with the rest and let them try it for themselves without hiding anything not "i disagree"stylesPS3

No, that's not "proof". "Proof" is when you have evidence to back-up your claim.... Which you don't have.

its more proof then he was stating as proof. there is nothing stopping you from proving or disproving my claim so i dont see how its not legit

You have no proof! How can I know if you own Assassin's Creed and GTAIV on both consoles, and how do I know if you have compared the two games? Have you filmed these events? Can you show us these two loading screens from your living/gaming room? Can you also give us factual proof and evidence to back-up your claims? NO.

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[QUOTE="stylesPS3"][QUOTE="wapahala"]

Why haven't you responded to Ninja-Hippo's post? Oh, right, because he SLAUGHTERED YOU. Fool.

SragentThom

lol so u agree with the guy who thinks ps3 games dont use uncompressed data. and your calling me a fool? lol.

Don't call any one a fool because the cows will report you just like what happen to me.

I guess I'll get modded for calling him an ass too. It's pretty sad. What is Gamespot afraid of? The majority of the community here watches shows with swearing, games with swearing, games with violence, murdering, and most of the posters swear in real life... Is it that big of a deal to call someone an idiot?

Oh, and I'm guessing that this'll get modded too for questioning Gamespot. Yay...