Skyrim is the most overrated RPG ever made.....

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Sorry but those games won't win GOTY, the Blizzard offerings are more of the same and Max Payne 3 can flop. Stringerboy

The critics didn't seem to mind the abysmal ending, so it probably will.

Disgusting I know.

[QUOTE="Stringerboy"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Diablo III isn't more of the same actually (which is why some of the fanbase is pissed off), and either way, Blizzard owns the genres they make games in. BioWare doesn't. And Rockstar games pretty much never flop here, so... nope. A game with what is widely considered to be one of the worst endings in the history of the medium isn't going to win GOTY. Sorry.DarkLink77

The critics didn't seem to mind the abysmal ending, so it probably will.

Disgusting I know.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Stringerboy"]

The critics didn't seem to mind the abysmal ending, so it probably will.

Disgusting I know.

texasgoldrush

Mass Effect 3 isnt as good as Mass Effect 2, it was a fairly significant downgrade.

Crappy ports, Multiplayer sucking life out of it, DLC chopping it to bits, the fact that the ending wasnt very good isnt even one of its biggest problems.

That game has EAs slimy fingerprints all over it, and i feel foolish for preordering it, i wont even buy an EA game again without renting it first. I feel bad for Bioware, i know they can still make great games but EA is holding them back.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] It probably won't. It was an early release (those rarely win because they lose the hype high), it's gotten far more negative attention than it has positive attention, even by the press, though they had to cash their checks before they could actually start talking about how bad the ending was, and the big guns of the industry (Rockstar, Blizzard, Valve, etc) are all releasing games this year. Mass Effect 3 is not going to win anything.crimsonman1245

Mass Effect 3 isnt as good as Mass Effect 2, it was a fairly significant downgrade.

Crappy ports, Multiplayer sucking life out of it, DLC chopping it to bits, the fact that the ending wasnt very good isnt even one of its biggest problems.

That game has EAs slimy fingerprints all over it, and i feel foolish for preordering it, i wont even buy an EA game again without renting it first. I feel bad for Bioware, i know they can still make great games but EA is holding them back.

ME3 was the best in the series. Yes the ending wasnt good. But the rest of the game was amazing.

Wrong...in fact some of the press has been criticial of the fans for their "thinking of entitlement"t, nevermind the reviewers here actually liked the ending.

Nevermind ME2 did well with GOTY awards and the game was released in a January.

And the big guns don't have anything that can compete with ME3 except for Ubisoft this year as the elephant in the room Bioshock Infinite has been delayed to 2013. Hell before you say Diablo III...Mass Effect 2 trounced Starcraft II in number of awards.

texasgoldrush

That's the presses' fault for being stupid enough to think developers deserve free passes. If something about the game is sh!t, gamers have every right to criticize it. Any reviewer who liked the ending either doesn't actually care, or was too stupid to actually know what was going on. "ooooh bright and shiny colors, just what I like so it must be good!"

ME2 didn't suffer from the same issues ME3 did.

Diablo 3 is bigger than ME3. Max Payne 3 is made by Rockstar, so it automatically will be more widely known and it actually looks kinda good. ME2 is just another RPG. SC2 is the best RTS since CoH. BTW, the lead behind CoH is also leading Diablo 3. Diablo 3 will not fail.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] It probably won't. It was an early release (those rarely win because they lose the hype high), it's gotten far more negative attention than it has positive attention, even by the press, though they had to cash their checks before they could actually start talking about how bad the ending was, and the big guns of the industry (Rockstar, Blizzard, Valve, etc) are all releasing games this year. Mass Effect 3 is not going to win anything.crimsonman1245

Mass Effect 3 isnt as good as Mass Effect 2, it was a fairly significant downgrade.

Crappy ports, Multiplayer sucking life out of it, DLC chopping it to bits, the fact that the ending wasnt very good isnt even one of its biggest problems.

That game has EAs slimy fingerprints all over it, and i feel foolish for preordering it, i wont even buy an EA game again without renting it first. I feel bad for Bioware, i know they can still make great games but EA is holding them back.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Stringerboy"]

The critics didn't seem to mind the abysmal ending, so it probably will.

Disgusting I know.

texasgoldrush

No, its better than ME2 as it manages to have imrpoved combat and customization and a great balance between strong plot progression and character development.

And really Microsoft was no better than EA....they rushed their games out the door as well. Tell me ME1 wasn't rushed. People forget who Bioware made games for before EA bought them.

And really stop whining about EA...they are no different from Activision, Ubisoft, SquareEnix, Capcom, and Namco....they all do slimy things.

texasgoldrush

Combat is crap. It plays exactly like a poor third person shooter (and don't even try to refute that point.)

People didn't forget. They just remember the better times. No use in dwelling in the past to which they will never return.

Just because they're no different from those companies doesn't mean we should act like nothing happens.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]

Wrong...in fact some of the press has been criticial of the fans for their "thinking of entitlement"t, nevermind the reviewers here actually liked the ending.

Nevermind ME2 did well with GOTY awards and the game was released in a January.

And the big guns don't have anything that can compete with ME3 except for Ubisoft this year as the elephant in the room Bioshock Infinite has been delayed to 2013. Hell before you say Diablo III...Mass Effect 2 trounced Starcraft II in number of awards.

ChubbyGuy40

That's the presses' fault for being stupid enough to think developers deserve free passes. If something about the game is sh!t, gamers have every right to criticize it. Any reviewer who liked the ending either doesn't actually care, or was too stupid to actually know what was going on. "ooooh bright and shiny colors, just what I like so it must be good!"

ME2 didn't suffer from the same issues ME3 did.

Diablo 3 is bigger than ME3. Max Payne 3 is made by Rockstar, so it automatically will be more widely known and it actually looks kinda good. ME2 is just another RPG. SC2 is the best RTS since CoH. BTW, the lead behind CoH is also leading Diablo 3. Diablo 3 will not fail.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]

No, its better than ME2 as it manages to have imrpoved combat and customization and a great balance between strong plot progression and character development.

And really Microsoft was no better than EA....they rushed their games out the door as well. Tell me ME1 wasn't rushed. People forget who Bioware made games for before EA bought them.

And really stop whining about EA...they are no different from Activision, Ubisoft, SquareEnix, Capcom, and Namco....they all do slimy things.

ChubbyGuy40

Combat is crap. It plays exactly like a poor third person shooter (and don't even try to refute that point.)

People didn't forget. They just remember the better times. No use in dwelling in the past to which they will never return.

Just because they're no different from those companies doesn't mean we should act like nothing happens.

At this point when somebody mentions bugs I just assume they haven't actually played the game lately. If at all.

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]

Wrong...in fact some of the press has been criticial of the fans for their "thinking of entitlement"t, nevermind the reviewers here actually liked the ending.

Nevermind ME2 did well with GOTY awards and the game was released in a January.

And the big guns don't have anything that can compete with ME3 except for Ubisoft this year as the elephant in the room Bioshock Infinite has been delayed to 2013. Hell before you say Diablo III...Mass Effect 2 trounced Starcraft II in number of awards.

texasgoldrush

That's the presses' fault for being stupid enough to think developers deserve free passes. If something about the game is sh!t, gamers have every right to criticize it. Any reviewer who liked the ending either doesn't actually care, or was too stupid to actually know what was going on. "ooooh bright and shiny colors, just what I like so it must be good!"

ME2 didn't suffer from the same issues ME3 did.

Diablo 3 is bigger than ME3. Max Payne 3 is made by Rockstar, so it automatically will be more widely known and it actually looks kinda good. ME2 is just another RPG. SC2 is the best RTS since CoH. BTW, the lead behind CoH is also leading Diablo 3. Diablo 3 will not fail.

First off, Max Payne is NOT a critically acclaimed series, not like GTA, second, Diable III won't fail, but it won't be GOTY either,

Nevermind Rockstar does not always make great games or games that live up to the hype...LA Noire for instance.

Nevermind ME2 had controversey about "dumbing down" RPG elements....still won many awards about neck and neck with Red Dead Redemption that year.

No, a reviewer may like the ending because it just simply doesn't take a Hollywood Star Wars victory parade cliched BS approach. Even then if a reviewer did not like the ending, that doesn't affect the rest of the game which was gold. Thats why there are some 9.0 reviews that admit while th eending was weak, overall the game was great.

Nevermind, they are attempting to FIX IT, which only HELPS THEM if it is done well.

texasgoldrush

...are you stupid? Max Payne is a critically acclaimed series. Second, yes it will. It has a far better chance than any other PC, actually, any other game this year.

Rockstar didn't develop LA Noire.

Dumbing down and made it more accessible to the casual crowd. If they can play it then it seems like the greatest thing ever. I'm apparently in the minority but I think RDR was trash so that's not saying much. SC2 was still the top game of 2010.

Game is boring as hell. It's obvious they didn't even factor in or touch multiplayer, because it's generic, tacked on trash like most multiplayer modes these days.

ATTEMPTING. KEY WORD IS ATTEMPTING. You don't even know if it's going to be any good. It could make it worse for all you know.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Stringerboy"]

The critics didn't seem to mind the abysmal ending, so it probably will.

Disgusting I know.

Stringerboy

Well maybe best soundtrack. "An end once and for all" almost had me in tears.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

That's the presses' fault for being stupid enough to think developers deserve free passes. If something about the game is sh!t, gamers have every right to criticize it. Any reviewer who liked the ending either doesn't actually care, or was too stupid to actually know what was going on. "ooooh bright and shiny colors, just what I like so it must be good!"

ME2 didn't suffer from the same issues ME3 did.

Diablo 3 is bigger than ME3. Max Payne 3 is made by Rockstar, so it automatically will be more widely known and it actually looks kinda good. ME2 is just another RPG. SC2 is the best RTS since CoH. BTW, the lead behind CoH is also leading Diablo 3. Diablo 3 will not fail.

DarkLink77

Playing it like a shooter on insanity or gold multiplayer gets you killed.texasgoldrush

No it won't. You clearly suck at shooters if you're getting killed on insanity.

But you're right, they aren't the worst company. Yet you and your follow Biodrones flooded the poll.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Playing it like a shooter on insanity or gold multiplayer gets you killed.ChubbyGuy40

No it won't. You clearly suck at shooters if you're getting killed on insanity.

But you're right, they aren't the worst company. Yet you and your follow Biodrones flooded the poll.

No, thats above average reception.....critical acclaim is 90 or above.

texasgoldrush

Critical acclaim is not reserved for 90s and above. Learn how to use a scale. Also, learn how to judge. Score alone does not speak for the entire game. When noir is brought into the conversation, or mechanics such as Bullet Time, Max Payne is the first thing that pops up.

Thats because you aren't USING YOUR POWERS. You do no tlast long against Brutes and Banshees without your powers.texasgoldrush

You suck, you cannot aim, and you don't know how to use cover.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]

First off, Max Payne is NOT a critically acclaimed series, not like GTA, second, Diable III won't fail, but it won't be GOTY either,

Nevermind Rockstar does not always make great games or games that live up to the hype...LA Noire for instance.

Nevermind ME2 had controversey about "dumbing down" RPG elements....still won many awards about neck and neck with Red Dead Redemption that year.

No, a reviewer may like the ending because it just simply doesn't take a Hollywood Star Wars victory parade cliched BS approach. Even then if a reviewer did not like the ending, that doesn't affect the rest of the game which was gold. Thats why there are some 9.0 reviews that admit while th eending was weak, overall the game was great.

Nevermind, they are attempting to FIX IT, which only HELPS THEM if it is done well.

ChubbyGuy40

...are you stupid? Max Payne is a critically acclaimed series. Second, yes it will. It has a far better chance than any other PC, actually, any other game this year.

Rockstar didn't develop LA Noire.

Dumbing down and made it more accessible to the casual crowd. If they can play it then it seems like the greatest thing ever. I'm apparently in the minority but I think RDR was trash so that's not saying much. SC2 was still the top game of 2010.

Game is boring as hell. It's obvious they didn't even factor in or touch multiplayer, because it's generic, tacked on trash like most multiplayer modes these days.

ATTEMPTING. KEY WORD IS ATTEMPTING. You don't even know if it's going to be any good. It could make it worse for all you know.

The multiplayer I thought was pretty good.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]

Critical acclaim is not reserved for 90s and above. Learn how to use a scale. Also, learn how to judge. Score alone does not speak for the entire game. When noir is brought into the conversation, or mechanics such as Bullet Time, Max Payne is the first thing that pops up.

ChubbyGuy40

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Thats because you aren't USING YOUR POWERS. You do no tlast long against Brutes and Banshees without your powers.ChubbyGuy40

You suck, you cannot aim, and you don't know how to use cover.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Thats because you aren't USING YOUR POWERS. You do no tlast long against Brutes and Banshees without your powers.ChubbyGuy40

You suck, you cannot aim, and you don't know how to use cover.

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Thats because you aren't USING YOUR POWERS. You do no tlast long against Brutes and Banshees without your powers.TrapJak

You suck, you cannot aim, and you don't know how to use cover.

But still, its not considered to be a landmark series other than bullet time.

You know...Banshees and Brutes break your cover. Its not about aiming.texasgoldrush

Yes it is.

then you could, you know, plan ahead and move. Holy crap, so difficult.

I agree, Skyrim (and Elder Scrolls in general) is pretty crappy. I don't get the fuss around it :?. The lore is boring, the combat is boring, the characters are boring, the quests are boring, almost MMO quality..... I guess the exploration is fun for the first 5 hours until you realize there's absolutely nothing of interest when you've explored a few caves and forts....

[QUOTE="TrapJak"]

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

You suck, you cannot aim, and you don't know how to use cover.

texasgoldrush

@DarkLink There is a proper response to that statement, you just have to find it. :D

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="TrapJak"] Kinda harsh, but I have to agree. Powers help, but guns should be your primary offensive.

TrapJak

@DarkLink There is a proper response to that statement, you just have to find it. :D

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="TrapJak"]Trust me, if you use powers more than guns on Insanity mode, you're doing it wrong. VERY wrong.

@DarkLink There is a proper response to that statement, you just have to find it. :D

TrapJak

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]

But still, its not considered to be a landmark series other than bullet time.

You know...Banshees and Brutes break your cover. Its not about aiming.ChubbyGuy40

Yes it is.

then you could, you know, plan ahead and move. Holy crap, so difficult.

[QUOTE="TrapJak"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Not if you are an engineer, an adept, or a sentinel.DarkLink77

@DarkLink There is a proper response to that statement, you just have to find it. :D

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="TrapJak"]Trust me, if you use powers more than guns on Insanity mode, you're doing it wrong. VERY wrong.

@DarkLink There is a proper response to that statement, you just have to find it. :D

texasgoldrush

And when you move, the shooters blast you such as Ravagers...dead. In fact gold multiplayer is full of engineers, I wonder why.texasgoldrush

And you could, you know, move.

Full of engineers because it's overpowered (balancing sucks) or because no one wants to play anything else. Why play something that only works against certain enemy types when I can have something that does it all? Sentrys everywhere, no need to actually shoot. Have something that does it for you.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] And when you move, the shooters blast you such as Ravagers...dead. In fact gold multiplayer is full of engineers, I wonder why.ChubbyGuy40

And you could, you know, move.

Full of engineers because it's overpowered (balancing sucks) or because no one wants to play anything else. Why play something that only works against certain enemy types when I can have something that does it all? Sentrys everywhere, no need to actually shoot. Have something that does it for you.

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

still a better game then witcher 2

texasgoldrush

Reviwers were impressed with the scale of the game, so they didn't mind for all the flaws the game has.

madsnakehhh

Deus ex Human Revolution is the best RPG this gen.

Come at me bro.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] No, it is not..... The Witcher 2 EE has a fantastic story and characters which Skyrim lacks. [QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

Reviwers were impressed with the scale of the game, so they didn't mind for all the flaws the game has.

dracolich55

Deus ex Human Revolution is the best RPG this gen.

Come at me bro.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Then prove how it just throws canon out the window...fact is there is no definite proof of a plot hole. And look at you before you talk dumbass.texasgoldrush

No, it's there because the writers wrote themselves into a corner and needed a way to kill the Reapers. The fact that there has been no mention of it up until the point where we have full, working designs is a plot hole. If it were that goddamn important, someone would have found traces of it before then.

Yeah, it is. Especially considering Shepard can prove that organics and machines can co-exist with the quarians and the geth earlier in the game. The Catalyst's reasoning is incredibly, incredibly stupid.

Yeah, it is. Play through it again. When he/she wakes up, she overhears a radio transmission asking if anyone made it to the beam, to which the response is "No." If Anderson made it to the beam, they would have seen it.

The Citadel. Whatever. Point being, he shouldn't be there, especially so quickly after Shepard arrives. It doesn't gel.

She is shot and bleeding heavily. She collapses onto the elevator. Then when she gets off the elevator, all of that blood is gone, and she's able to stand just fine and capable of running into the beam in the Citadel should you chose to do so. Doesn't track.

Yeah, it is, more or less. Her being there "proves his solution won't work anymore." So he just randomly gives you the keys to undo everything he's done because he is incapable of taking action? That's a plot hole. Why would he do that? His solution doesn't work anymore, so he allows you the option to kill the Reapers and himself? Yeah.... no. Doesn't track.

It does when it's a major part of the story. The whole "You can't comprehend us bit?" It's yet another cop-out by BioWare's writing team because they wrote themselves into a corner.

The point is that it shouldn't be in danger at all. That pulse only targets Mass Relays. The only way it would be chasing them is if he'd already jumped, which there is no reason for him to do. So why did he jump? Jumping means the crew of the Normandy abandons the fight and runs. It's out of character and considering the Reapers are already dead or going away by the time the pulse that destroys the Relays happens, there is no reason for them to be jumping.

It wouldn't be a plot hole if the radio transmission didn't say that everyone who ran to the beam died regardless of you EMS.

Try again.

Oh look, an attention whore is making his usual hyperbolic statements.

There's really nothing else to see here.

And of course, this would erupt into a Mass Effect argument. A TGR thread just isn't a TGR thread without one :P

[QUOTE="dracolich55"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] New Vegas had scale too, but it also had stronger narratives with the scale.texasgoldrush

Deus ex Human Revolution is the best RPG this gen.

Come at me bro.

Boss Fights? What wer the boss fights in ME3? Som Reaper you target for your ship to attack and 3 waves for a final fight? LOL

Shallow Charactars? Sorry but DX charactars arn't some cookie cutter good/bad charactars, Deus ex charactars all have ther own beliefs and agendas, not some melodramatic "creation takes over creator" scenario.

ME3 had day one DLC for an important charactar, lol. At least DX DLC lasted longer than 20 minutes.

Oh look, an attention whore is making his usual hyperbolic statements.

There's really nothing else to see here.

And of course, this would erupt into a Mass Effect argument. A TGR thread just isn't a TGR thread without one :P

drinkerofjuice

Of course.

And worse still, he starts all of them.

No, it's there because the writers wrote themselves into a corner and needed a way to kill the Reapers. The fact that there has been no mention of it up until the point where we have full, working designs is a plot hole. If it were that goddamn important, someone would have found traces of it before then.

Yeah, it is. Especially considering Shepard can prove that organics and machines can co-exist with the quarians and the geth earlier in the game. The Catalyst's reasoning is incredibly, incredibly stupid.

Yeah, it is. Play through it again. When he/she wakes up, she overhears a radio transmission asking if anyone made it to the beam, to which the response is "No." If Anderson made it to the beam, they would have seen it.

The Citadel. Whatever. Point being, he shouldn't be there, especially so quickly after Shepard arrives. It doesn't gel.

She is shot and bleeding heavily. She collapses onto the elevator. Then when she gets off the elevator, all of that blood is gone, and she's able to stand just fine and capable of running into the beam in the Citadel should you chose to do so. Doesn't track.

Yeah, it is, more or less. Her being there "proves his solution won't work anymore." So he just randomly gives you the keys to undo everything he's done because he is incapable of taking action? That's a plot hole. Why would he do that? His solution doesn't work anymore, so he allows you the option to kill the Reapers and himself? Yeah.... no. Doesn't track.

It does when it's a major part of the story. The whole "You can't comprehend us bit?" It's yet another cop-out by BioWare's writing team because they wrote themselves into a corner.

The point is that it shouldn't be in danger at all. That pulse only targets Mass Relays. The only way it would be chasing them is if he'd already jumped, which there is no reason for him to do. So why did he jump? Jumping means the crew of the Normandy abandons the fight and runs. It's out of character and considering the Reapers are already dead or going away by the time the pulse that destroys the Relays happens, there is no reason for them to be jumping.

It wouldn't be a plot hole if the radio transmission didn't say that everyone who ran to the beam died regardless of you EMS.

Try again.

DarkLink77

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="dracolich55"]

Deus ex Human Revolution is the best RPG this gen.

Come at me bro.

dracolich55

Boss Fights? What wer the boss fights in ME3? Som Reaper you target for your ship to attack and 3 waves for a final fight? LOL

Shallow Charactars? Sorry but DX charactars arn't some cookie cutter good/bad charactars, Deus ex charactars all have ther own beliefs and agendas, not some melodramatic "creation takes over creator" scenario.

ME3 had day one DLC for an important charactar, lol. At least DX DLC lasted longer than 20 minutes.

No, most Deus Ex characters are talking agendas, nothing more. One dimensional viewpoints, thats it.

Not every game needs boss fights, DX HR didn't.

And the Day 1 DLC lasts the whole game, nevermind the free DLC that ME3 has and is coming.texasgoldrush

Still far more interesting than any Mass Effect character.

The issue with their boss fights is that they were outsourced to another studio who didn't know what they were doing.

You mean the free DLC which just extends the cutscenes at the end and offers no actual gameplay value? Or are you referring to the free multiplayer DLC that EA gave you because you and your fellow Biodrones wouldn't shut up?

I was going to post my opinions on Skyrim but it appears this thread has become an argument about Mass Effect 3.

In no way am I surprised.

No, most Deus Ex characters are talking agendas, nothing more. One dimensional viewpoints, thats it. Not every game needs boss fights, DX HR didn't. And the Day 1 DLC lasts the whole game, nevermind the free DLC that ME3 has and is coming.texasgoldrush

Overrated perhaps... it was beautiful as well. I loved exploring it.

[QUOTE="dracolich55"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] oops....boss fights, mostly shallow characters (better than the first two but still a problem), and also needs a DLC to fill in the blanks. Great game, but not the best.texasgoldrush

Boss Fights? What wer the boss fights in ME3? Som Reaper you target for your ship to attack and 3 waves for a final fight? LOL

Shallow Charactars? Sorry but DX charactars arn't some cookie cutter good/bad charactars, Deus ex charactars all have ther own beliefs and agendas, not some melodramatic "creation takes over creator" scenario.

ME3 had day one DLC for an important charactar, lol. At least DX DLC lasted longer than 20 minutes.

Like Chubby mentioned, still more interesting than any ME charactar.

And the original DX had good boss fights so DXHR could easily have good ones as well... and the boss in the DLC was a step in the right direction.

And the actual mission was like 20 minutes, other then that you probably won't even noytce the difference thoughout the game. And free MP DLC? Do people even play ME3 MP, lol? I only played it a bit to get my readiness rating up for the best of the worst endings in video game history. In fact, the MP was SO boring sometimes I just left my PC on while my teammates complete the round and I get some readiness. I know, that might make me sound like a jerk, and I NEVER do these types of things but ME3 MP was just THAT bad.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]No, most Deus Ex characters are talking agendas, nothing more. One dimensional viewpoints, thats it. Not every game needs boss fights, DX HR didn't. And the Day 1 DLC lasts the whole game, nevermind the free DLC that ME3 has and is coming.SciFiRPGfan