Skyrim: Lots of new info!

It's not what you say, it's how you say it. Don't act like you weren't hating on it, Mr. "pandering to simpleton syndrome". What a bunch of pseudo-intellectual nonsense.

jjccjj92

It's not what you say, it's how you say it. Don't act like you weren't hating on it, Mr. "pandering to simpleton syndrome". What a bunch of pseudo-intellectual nonsense.

jjccjj92

Oblivion was designed with an audience completely unaccustomed to RPGs in mind with a mindset that it needs to be at the expensive of its own depth, and it and Fallout 3 both feature highly structured restrictive central plots funnelling players through events.

This all spreads onto further aspects of the game - the writers don't challenge the players pre conceptions, the quests have clearly defined outcomes for most of the part, and decisions - when presented are completely binary in nature.

It's a fault of their recent games.

Did I ever say they were bad games or imply that their audience is 'simpletons'?

No.

Quite frankly I think they're selling gamers short and are capable of far better considering the bar was raised by themselves and other developers in the past - and if other recent games are to go by. If anything Skyrim will be an improvement on the formula considering it's being angled far more as an action game -somethin that their previous two were trying to shelter themselves from.

Better watch the knee-jerk, wouldn't want to be point the finger at anyone who is the least bit critical in a way you don't enjoy reading. Last thing we need is haters right.

Someone with a legitamately reasoned critical opinion towards their games, and as result has that preconception when looking at Skyrim?

Whatever shall you do?

So glad I preordered this. If this came out in Sept instead of November, I probably wouldn't need to buy any games all fall!

Stop right there criminal scum! - I hope they include that line in Skyrim, for old times sake and for the lulz

Stop right there criminal scum! - I hope they include that line in Skyrim, for old times sake and for the lulz

ethanradd

STOP! You've violated the law!

Best guard line ever.

[QUOTE="ethanradd"]

Stop right there criminal scum! - I hope they include that line in Skyrim, for old times sake and for the lulz

ChubbyGuy40

STOP! You've violated the law!

Best guard line ever.

I've fought mud crabs more fearsome than you!

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="ethanradd"]

Stop right there criminal scum! - I hope they include that line in Skyrim, for old times sake and for the lulz

StealthMonkey4

STOP! You've violated the law!

Best guard line ever.

I've fought mud crabs more fearsome than you!

"Then pay with your life!"

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="ethanradd"]

Stop right there criminal scum! - I hope they include that line in Skyrim, for old times sake and for the lulz

StealthMonkey4

STOP! You've violated the law!

Best guard line ever.

I've fought mud crabs more fearsome than you!

Turns out they DID fight some fearsome mud crabs :o

I don't get why they have to charge money for fast travel, the system worked perfect in Oblivion. nutcrackr

[QUOTE="nutcrackr"]I don't get why they have to charge money for fast travel, the system worked perfect in Oblivion. soulitane

Sounds great :)

Definitely a title to look forward to.

[QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"]

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

Dovahkiin would like to have a word with Zelda

Can Zelda kill dragons?

gamebreakerz__

No but He could survive a 1,000 foot fall. :P

Zelda is CLEARLY a BOY silly

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"][QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"]

No but He could survive a 1,000 foot fall. :P

Mozelleple112

Zelda is CLEARLY a BOY silly

Looks like a trap to me.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

STOP! You've violated the law!

Best guard line ever.

lawlessx

I've fought mud crabs more fearsome than you!

"They pay with your life!"

RPG of the year confirmed???? A man like me can only hope. :PFoolwithaLancer

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="nutcrackr"]I don't get why they have to charge money for fast travel, the system worked perfect in Oblivion. lawlessx

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"] Zelda is a woman....commonfate

Zelda is CLEARLY a BOY silly

Looks like a trap to me.

It is:P but for people who haven't yet realised or don't know, that's link not princess zelda

It sounds great, but I'd wait before saying game of the year, bethesda lies a LOT, remember what happened with oblivion?

Also, inb4 bethesda defense force.

FrostMTG

That.

[QUOTE="commonfate"]

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]

Zelda is CLEARLY a BOY silly

Ironbash

Looks like a trap to me.

It is:P but for people who haven't yet realised or don't know, that's link not princess zelda

Nah, it's called Legend of Zelda so obviously that's Zelda because you play as him/her/it.

[QUOTE="Ironbash"]

[QUOTE="commonfate"]

Looks like a trap to me.

commonfate

It is:P but for people who haven't yet realised or don't know, that's link not princess zelda

Nah, it's called Legend of Zelda so obviously that's Zelda because you play as him/her/it.

Of course, whatever you say ;)

On-topic, I think Skyrim is changing for the better as long as the quests don't become disjointed and bland like that in Oblivion. Fallout 3 was WAY more enjoyable than oblivion IMO but skyrim looks to change this. The picklock system was also better in fallout 3 but probably due to the change in setting .

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[QUOTE="Ironbash"]

It is:P but for people who haven't yet realised or don't know, that's link not princess zelda

Ironbash

Nah, it's called Legend of Zelda so obviously that's Zelda because you play as him/her/it.

Of course, whatever you say ;)

I do love it when people take me seriously :D

[QUOTE="Ironbash"]

[QUOTE="commonfate"]

Nah, it's called Legend of Zelda so obviously that's Zelda because you play as him/her/it.

commonfate

Of course, whatever you say ;)

I do love it when people take me seriously :D

That was sarcasm in an attempt to ignore your posts :|

[QUOTE="commonfate"]

[QUOTE="Ironbash"]

Of course, whatever you say ;)

Ironbash

I do love it when people take me seriously :D

That was sarcasm in an attempt to ignore your posts :|

Considering you keep responding I'd say you're doing a pretty good job of it.

Skyrim is my personal GOTY followed by Uncharted 3. As great as Uncharted 3 will be, it just can't compete with the amount of content and quality that Skyrim is going to have. The possiblities in Skyrim will be endless....

All I know is that come this holiday season I'm going to get FAT, between Skyrim, Uncharted 3, and Thanksgiving and Chanukah/Christmas I won't have time anything else :P

Non-negotiable? You apparently don't know what subjectivity is. Who are you to determine whether or not they captured the atmosphere of the previous games?

You're really reaching now.

jjccjj92

Who am I to determine whether or not they captured the atmosphere of the previous games :lol: ?

You obviously have NEVER played the Black Isle Fallouts. You're the one reaching here ;)

and yet still it is rendered unplayable by the dreaded SCALING ENEMY LEVELS!!!lloveLamp

They said it's more like Fallout 3 and New Vegas than Oblivion though.

New Vegas had pretty good enemy scaling - petty raiders and stuff are pretty easy to deal with. Then you have the quarry north of Goodsprings that's pretty much death for any character under level 25.

[QUOTE="lloveLamp"]and yet still it is rendered unplayable by the dreaded SCALING ENEMY LEVELS!!!Kickinurass

They said it's more like Fallout 3 and New Vegas than Oblivion though.

New Vegas had pretty good enemy scaling - petty raiders and stuff are pretty easy to deal with. Then you have the quarry north of Goodsprings that's pretty much death for any character under level 25.

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="lloveLamp"]and yet still it is rendered unplayable by the dreaded SCALING ENEMY LEVELS!!!DragonfireXZ95

They said it's more like Fallout 3 and New Vegas than Oblivion though.

New Vegas had pretty good enemy scaling - petty raiders and stuff are pretty easy to deal with. Then you have the quarry north of Goodsprings that's pretty much death for any character under level 25.

Oh yeah. For sure - I was just talking about the level scaling. Besides that, I'm hoping it's way more like New Vegas instead of Fallout 3

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

They said it's more like Fallout 3 and New Vegas than Oblivion though.

New Vegas had pretty good enemy scaling - petty raiders and stuff are pretty easy to deal with. Then you have the quarry north of Goodsprings that's pretty much death for any character under level 25.

Kickinurass

Oh yeah. For sure - I was just talking about the level scaling. Besides that, I'm hoping it's way more like New Vegas instead of Fallout 3

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] I hope it's not like Fallout 3, while a step in the right direction from Oblivion, Fallout 3 still sucked. Maybe if they hired the writers from Obsidian for it.DragonfireXZ95

Oh yeah. For sure - I was just talking about the level scaling. Besides that, I'm hoping it's way more like New Vegas instead of Fallout 3

Yup. Hopefully they include a larger number of enemies too. The variety in Oblivion/FO3/New Vegas left a lot to be desired. The expansions help a bit, but even then I'd like to see more. Considering the fantasy setting is rife with source material, I have high hopes.

Or, failing that, hopefully we see MMM for Skyrim :P

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="lloveLamp"]and yet still it is rendered unplayable by the dreaded SCALING ENEMY LEVELS!!!DragonfireXZ95

They said it's more like Fallout 3 and New Vegas than Oblivion though.

New Vegas had pretty good enemy scaling - petty raiders and stuff are pretty easy to deal with. Then you have the quarry north of Goodsprings that's pretty much death for any character under level 25.

If they take the best parts of the fallout 3 leveling then it shouldn't be too bad. Bandits would still be weak even at max level and there would be areas preset at the start where going there would be death. It's not perfect but consider that Morrowind and fallout 3 basically use the same level scaling system, it's obviously harder to tell since FO3 is much less of an RPG but enemies in Morrowind do undeniably level up with you but are set to be stronger than par in certain areas. Anything is better than Oblivions leveling system though. I honestly have to wonder who thought that idea was alright.Ace6301

Considering the broken mess that Oblivion is, the levelling system fits perfectly. If it was done properly people would be left to wonder if something's out of place.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] If they take the best parts of the fallout 3 leveling then it shouldn't be too bad. Bandits would still be weak even at max level and there would be areas preset at the start where going there would be death. It's not perfect but consider that Morrowind and fallout 3 basically use the same level scaling system, it's obviously harder to tell since FO3 is much less of an RPG but enemies in Morrowind do undeniably level up with you but are set to be stronger than par in certain areas. Anything is better than Oblivions leveling system though. I honestly have to wonder who thought that idea was alright.N30F3N1X

Considering the broken mess that Oblivion is, the levelling system fits perfectly. If it was done properly people would be left to wonder if something's out of place.

Oblivion and Fallout 3 were so disappointing though. It's like people have just forgotten...

Oblivion and Fallout 3 were so disappointing though. It's like people have just forgotten...

dommeus

Dovahkiin would like to have a word with Zelda

Can Zelda kill dragons?

XVision84

Oblivion and Fallout 3 were so disappointing though. It's like people have just forgotten...

dommeus

Fallout 3 is my favorite game of all time ...needless to say I wasnt disapointed, cant wait for Skyrim!

Soo many complication to the game. Incoming 1,254,233,456 bugs! :o :P

Even though I desperately want Skyrim, I feel Deus Ex:HR is going to win GOTY award. :?

Not bad. Still not picking it up until a sale/mods start comming out.

TW2 shall be RPG of the year though :D

ChubbyGuy40

I don't get why they have to charge money for fast travel, the system worked perfect in Oblivion. nutcrackr

The thing I hated about Oblivion's system was that there was no drawback. Great RPG's are created around advantages and disadvantages. You want a stealth character? You will be weak in combat. You want to join one faction? You'll annoy another. You want loot that item? You'll have no more room in your inventory for others. There was absolutely no drawback to Oblivion's fast travel system, it had no balance.

In Daggerfall you had to pay money or waste more time (which actually meant something), in Arena you could die if you fast travelled while weak, in Morrowind you had to pay a toll. Like everything else there needs to be some sort of disadvantage to fast travelling to reach that equilibrium.

They said it's more like Fallout 3 and New Vegas than Oblivion though.

New Vegas had pretty good enemy scaling - petty raiders and stuff are pretty easy to deal with. Then you have the quarry north of Goodsprings that's pretty much death for any character under level 25.

Kickinurass