So 360 is crumbling before our eyes

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Mestitia"] Except the PS3 is released more critically acclaimed games and is selling more then the 360 worldwide? Your post made no sense.

Mestitia

In all honesty, this argument is silly. Early titles do indeed count. Hell, I still play Xbox Original Titles such as Ninja Gaiden, Indigo Prophecy, Crimson Skies, and Phantom Crash on my 360. Hitman Blood Money is one of my favorite games and released in 2006. I just bought Perfect Dark HD on my 360. My girlfriend just bought herself a PS3 and picked up the original Uncharted - who are you to say that those games are pointless?

Contrary to what you think, people do enjoy older games. You can't simply discount older titles because they don't suit your argument.

[QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

[QUOTE="theseekar"]

If 360 was crumbling how come

1. I play 99% of the time on 360

2. I only own 3 PS3 games (FF13, Demon Soul, NG Sigma)

3. I buy most 360 exclusives but only rent most PS3 exclusives

4. I like the controller far more on 360

5. I only play online on 360

6. I like Alan Wake, Mass Effect 1-2, Fable 2, Lost Odyssey, Banjo 3, Kameo, Viva Pinata, Gears 1-2 more than any PS3 game so far (excluding Demon Soul only)

7. My most anticipated title is Fable 3, over FF13vs (which will be crap most probably like FF13) or Last Gaurdian (which is like ICO which was extremely slow and boring)

8. Gears is the only shooter series i like, due to art and setting/enemies style( i hate the shooting though)

9. Natal is by far and away the most advanced and hands free way to control games

etc etc etc

360 is crumbling? Sorry, i dont see it

I wont even go to Wii, with the atrocious visuals and clumpsy controls, and the 3 worthy (for me at least) games (Zelda TP, Muramasha, Little king Story), one of which is on GC too !!!

theseekar

i think point 2 is your biggest issue that leads to all those other symptoms. :P

No, because i have rent all other major PS3 titles (GOW3 lately, MGS4, Uncharted 1-2, Killzone 2etc)

yes but you could have bought MGS4, GOW3, Uncharted 1 & 2, Killzone 2 while renting Goew 1 &2, Kameo, Viva Pinata, Bano 3 etc etc... IT IS THE SAME... what is you point? that you prefare 360 cause its more than clear in the points you listed..

Apparently all the cons 360 has dont bother you and you're most anticipated title is Fable3 which you know its gonna be awesome without having played it but yet know for sure FFXIIvs & The last Guardian will be crappy/boring which also you didnt play... i dont understand why it took you 9 points when all you had to say was 'I am basically a 360 fanboy & got PS3 only so that it can somehow hide this fact' :)

^^ I never said the games don't count they just aren't as strong as recent high scoring games. Now quit pretending you guys don't understand the arguement, it's a perfectly valid arguement. 9 out of 10 gamers rather have 8 AAA's from 2010 over 10 AAA's from 2005. And again these numbers are just examples.

^^ I never said the games don't count they just aren't as strong as recent high scoring games. Now quit pretending you guys don't understand the arguement, it's a perfectly valid arguement. 9 out of 10 gamers rather have 8 AAA's from 2010 over 10 AAA's from 2005. And again these numbers are just examples.

Mestitia

^^ I never said the games don't count they just aren't as strong as recent high scoring games. Now quit pretending you guys don't understand the arguement, it's a perfectly valid arguement. 9 out of 10 gamers rather have 8 AAA's from 2010 over 10 AAA's from 2005. And again these numbers are just examples.

Mestitia

i understand what you mean.. am a forza fan and surely am not bothered talking about Forza2 considering there is Forza3 which has everything Forza2 had + much more... So i assume a new gamer getting a 360 today and likes racing games surely wont get Forza2 but Forza3... surely wont go for PGR3 but PGR4..

I guess that is normal... (Forza & PGR are just examples)...

However i still dont agree with TC original post, 360 is doing fine, and in 2010 nearly 5 yrs after its release imo its having a great year and we still have to see what MS will announce at E3...

^^ I never said the games don't count they just aren't as strong as recent high scoring games. Now quit pretending you guys don't understand the arguement, it's a perfectly valid arguement. 9 out of 10 gamers rather have 8 AAA's from 2010 over 10 AAA's from 2005. And again these numbers are just examples.

Mestitia

By what metric are you measuring this? Graphics wise - of course. But whose to say the gameplay hasn't withstood the test of time? And who says they don't deliver as much enjoyment as newer games, which in the end is all the matters considering its the prime reason people even play video games?

Honestly, I'd rather play Perfect Dark: HD than Farcry 2 any day of the week.

^^ I never said the games don't count they just aren't as strong as recent high scoring games. Now quit pretending you guys don't understand the arguement, it's a perfectly valid arguement. 9 out of 10 gamers rather have 8 AAA's from 2010 over 10 AAA's from 2005. And again these numbers are just examples.

Mestitia

^^ I never said the games don't count they just aren't as strong as recent high scoring games. Now quit pretending you guys don't understand the arguement, it's a perfectly valid arguement. 9 out of 10 gamers rather have 8 AAA's from 2010 over 10 AAA's from 2005. And again these numbers are just examples.

Mestitia

How on earth could one get the Idea that 360 is crumbling when it's in second place ahead of PS3 and MS is set to have it's most major E3 since the announcement of the 360 spending million on the roll-out of Natal and no doubt high profile games ?

Also Alan Wake officially releases today !! :D

^^ I never said the games don't count they just aren't as strong as recent high scoring games. Now quit pretending you guys don't understand the arguement, it's a perfectly valid arguement. 9 out of 10 gamers rather have 8 AAA's from 2010 over 10 AAA's from 2005. And again these numbers are just examples.

Mestitia

I love how a bunch of you guys try to act a certain way just to discredit my arguement, I can see right through it, don't bs me, I know very well consoles gamers rather have recent games over old games, I'm not 12, so don't bother trying to convince me unless your really just trying to convince yourselves... And I never said older games can't be great, we are speaking in broad terms though, ofc you guys get that, you just pretend you don't so your precious 360 doesn't look as bad.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Mestitia"] Ya let's brag about PGR1 2 and 3 now that 4 is out eh? Yes pointless, alot of them are just that, pointless numbers 360 fans use to brag because of the lack of recent games.Mestitia

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GS scores are used for official flops everything else is fair game, ask a mod if you want. And I didn't take games away from the 360, I'm simply stating they aren't as strong as recent games, and if the difference is 2 or 3 games the vast ,majority of console gamers rather have the recent library.

and when comparing exclusives. :?

I love how a bunch of you guys try to act a certain way just to discredit my arguement, I can see right through it, don't bs me, I know very well consoles gamers rather have recent games over old games, I'm not 12, so don't bother trying to convince me unless your really just trying to convince yourselves... And I never said older games can't be great, we are speaking in broad terms though, ofc you guys get that, you just pretend you don't so your precious 360 doesn't look as bad.

Mestitia

[QUOTE="Mestitia"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Mestitia"][QUOTE="racing1750"]

GS scores are used for official flops everything else is fair game, ask a mod if you want. And I didn't take games away from the 360, I'm simply stating they aren't as strong as recent games, and if the difference is 2 or 3 games the vast ,majority of console gamers rather have the recent library.

CaseyWegner

and for purposes of comparing exclusives. :?

[QUOTE="Mestitia"]

I love how a bunch of you guys try to act a certain way just to discredit my arguement, I can see right through it, don't bs me, I know very well consoles gamers rather have recent games over old games, I'm not 12, so don't bother trying to convince me unless your really just trying to convince yourselves... And I never said older games can't be great, we are speaking in broad terms though, ofc you guys get that, you just pretend you don't so your precious 360 doesn't look as bad.

Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Mestitia"]

I love how a bunch of you guys try to act a certain way just to discredit my arguement, I can see right through it, don't bs me, I know very well consoles gamers rather have recent games over old games, I'm not 12, so don't bother trying to convince me unless your really just trying to convince yourselves... And I never said older games can't be great, we are speaking in broad terms though, ofc you guys get that, you just pretend you don't so your precious 360 doesn't look as bad.

Mestitia

I love how a bunch of you guys try to act a certain way just to discredit my arguement, I can see right through it, don't bs me, I know very well consoles gamers rather have recent games over old games, I'm not 12, so don't bother trying to convince me unless your really just trying to convince yourselves... And I never said older games can't be great, we are speaking in broad terms though, ofc you guys get that, you just pretend you don't so your precious 360 doesn't look as bad.

Mestitia

Now you're generalizing and insulting. I honestly don't care about the 360 in this argument. I'll admit that its exclusive release in the past two years has not been the greatest. I'll admit that the PS3 has clearly had momentum since 2008. I could careless about the SW - I only participate for the fun of it all.

I just take offense to your notion that No one plays older games and that console gamers would rather have recent games over older games. You don't know me - so you can't make a definitive statement about my gaming habits. Nor do I like when people speak in generalizations as they are nearly always inaccurate blanket statements without a shred of fact supporting them.

You're argument is wrong and arbitrary. What stops me from saying no one wants to play games from 2008 or earlier. Who are you to decide the age at which games no longer "matter". You set-up the date as 2005, but it could just as easily, and arbitrarily, be 2009.

Older games, while not being as popular as new games, nonetheless are an addition to the consoles library. They give the consumer a choice, and are especially important to late adopters who may which to play games he missed. Or, they may simply be interesting titles that were overshadowed by high-profile releases that an console owner wants to pick up years after its release.

[QUOTE="theseekar"]

[QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

i think point 2 is your biggest issue that leads to all those other symptoms. :P

Malta_1980

No, because i have rent all other major PS3 titles (GOW3 lately, MGS4, Uncharted 1-2, Killzone 2etc)

yes but you could have bought MGS4, GOW3, Uncharted 1 & 2, Killzone 2 while renting Goew 1 &2, Kameo, Viva Pinata, Bano 3 etc etc... IT IS THE SAME... what is you point? that you prefare 360 cause its more than clear in the points you listed..

Apparently all the cons 360 has dont bother you and you're most anticipated title is Fable3 which you know its gonna be awesome without having played it but yet know for sure FFXIIvs & The last Guardian will be crappy/boring which also you didnt play... i dont understand why it took you 9 points when all you had to say was 'I am basically a 360 fanboy & got PS3 only so that it can somehow hide this fact' :)

Ionly buy games i like much

I bought Demon Soul for example and will buy GOW3 after a huge price drop, i would never buy any of the other ones, just did not like them

So, it is not the same

And you really think i bought a 500euro PS3 back then, to "cover" my 360 preference ? Isnt that a bit expensive ?

When i got PS3 FF13 was PS3 exclusive and i thought it would actually be a good game, see back then things were different

Demon Soul is the only PS3 game i really enjoyed much on PS3, and Ninja Gaiden of course, which i had finished on 360 first though

[QUOTE="Mestitia"]

I love how a bunch of you guys try to act a certain way just to discredit my arguement, I can see right through it, don't bs me, I know very well consoles gamers rather have recent games over old games, I'm not 12, so don't bother trying to convince me unless your really just trying to convince yourselves... And I never said older games can't be great, we are speaking in broad terms though, ofc you guys get that, you just pretend you don't so your precious 360 doesn't look as bad.

Ninja-Hippo

i think you guys are not getting it... old games still count and form part of the library, but assuming you dont have already PGR3, you said you just got PGR4, so that would mean you didnt bother getting the older title in the series but opted for the latest installment in the series, even it it came out a couple of year ago..

Lets move to a few months from now and say Halo:Reach is out and millions got the game... a new gamer who likes shooters gets a 360 , so you think he would buy Halo3 or ODST?? or get Halo:Reach ?? the point is ODST & Halo3 are still available but gamers would rather buy the latest installment in the series..

[QUOTE="Malta_1980"]

[QUOTE="theseekar"]

No, because i have rent all other major PS3 titles (GOW3 lately, MGS4, Uncharted 1-2, Killzone 2etc)

theseekar

yes but you could have bought MGS4, GOW3, Uncharted 1 & 2, Killzone 2 while renting Goew 1 &2, Kameo, Viva Pinata, Bano 3 etc etc... IT IS THE SAME... what is you point? that you prefare 360 cause its more than clear in the points you listed..

Apparently all the cons 360 has dont bother you and you're most anticipated title is Fable3 which you know its gonna be awesome without having played it but yet know for sure FFXIIvs & The last Guardian will be crappy/boring which also you didnt play... i dont understand why it took you 9 points when all you had to say was 'I am basically a 360 fanboy & got PS3 only so that it can somehow hide this fact' :)

Ionly buy games i like much

I bought Demon Soul for example and will buy GOW3 after a huge price drop, i would never buy any of the other ones, just did not like them

So, it is not the same

And you really think i bought a 500euro PS3 back then, to "cover" my 360 preference ? Isnt that a bit expensive ?

When i got PS3 FF13 was PS3 exclusive and i thought it would actually be a good game, see back then things were different

Demon Soul is the only PS3 game i really enjoyed much on PS3, and Ninja Gaiden of course, which i had finished on 360 first though

Ok so saying you got a PS3 to cover that you're a 360 fanboy was a bit too much considering i dont even know you.. however you surely have to admit you didnt make a good decision buying a system considering you dont like any of the major great exclusives released / coming out on PS3...

I just bought Alan Wake for the 360, such an amazing game, you should try it sometime maybe you will see how the 360 owns you.

I love how a bunch of you guys try to act a certain way just to discredit my arguement, I can see right through it, don't bs me, I know very well consoles gamers rather have recent games over old games, I'm not 12, so don't bother trying to convince me unless your really just trying to convince yourselves... And I never said older games can't be great, we are speaking in broad terms though, ofc you guys get that, you just pretend you don't so your precious 360 doesn't look as bad.

Mestitia

9 out of 10 System Warriors dislike made up statistics :(

And Mass Effect and Halo 3, games from 07, are easily better than many of the new games coming out. Ditto for MGS4 on PS3.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Mestitia"]

I love how a bunch of you guys try to act a certain way just to discredit my arguement, I can see right through it, don't bs me, I know very well consoles gamers rather have recent games over old games, I'm not 12, so don't bother trying to convince me unless your really just trying to convince yourselves... And I never said older games can't be great, we are speaking in broad terms though, ofc you guys get that, you just pretend you don't so your precious 360 doesn't look as bad.

Malta_1980

i think you guys are not getting it... old games still count and form part of the library, but assuming you dont have already PGR3, you said you just got PGR4, so that would mean you didnt bother getting the older title in the series but opted for the latest installment in the series, even it it came out a couple of year ago..

Lets move to a few months from now and say Halo:Reach is out and millions got the game... a new gamer who likes shooters gets a 360 , so you think he would buy Halo3 or ODST?? or get Halo:Reach ?? the point is ODST & Halo3 are still available but gamers would rather buy the latest installment in the series..

The thing is racing games and sports game are different from other genres. With these two games, there rarely is a story to follow. Everything is essentially gameplay, which is refined through the sequel. With the example of Halo - Halo 3 is different from ODST, at leasts so far as the campaign goes. And Reach is different from them both in terms of everything. Most people would likely pick up Reach, but that what if Reach sparks someone's interest in the Halo mythology. What it they decide its worth it to live the Master Chief saga. Bam - Halo Ce, Halo 2, and Halo 3 are at least getting a rent. I just lent out my copy of ODST to a friend so he could enjoy the Reach beta. Yet, he spends more time playing Halo 3 multiplayer because he enjoys Action Sack way more than any playlist of the beta.

As another example - Mass Effect. Someone could easily skipped the entire series up until 3, but considering its such a story heavy game, I'm sure some people are going to take a look at the other two previous titles.

Again, bringing up my girlfriend who just bought a PS3 She opted for Uncharted 1 over Uncharted 2, because she wants to experience the beginning of the series and then move into the sequels.

The thing is racing games and sports game are different from other genres. With these two games, there rarely is a story to follow. Everything is essentially gameplay, which is refined through the sequel. With the example of Halo - Halo 3 is different from ODST, at leasts so far as the campaign goes. And Reach is different from them both in terms of everything. Most people would likely pick up Reach, but that what if Reach sparks someone's interest in the Halo mythology. What it they decide its worth it to live the Master Chief saga. Bam - Halo Ce, Halo 2, and Halo 3 are at least getting a rent. I just lent out my copy of ODST to a friend so he could enjoy the Reach beta. Yet, he spends more time playing Halo 3 multiplayer because he enjoys Action Sack way more than any playlist of the beta.

As another example - Mass Effect. Someone could easily skipped the entire series up until 3, but considering its such a story heavy game, I'm sure some people are going to take a look at the other two previous titles.

Again, bringing up my girlfriend who just bought a PS3 She opted for Uncharted 1 over Uncharted 2, because she wants to experience the beginning of the series and then move into the sequels.

Kickinurass

for story driven titles i have to agree with you specially when talking about trilogy based titles where the story is spread on all titles so best way is playing them all....

but the thing remains that honestly i really find it hard that someone getting a 360 or PS3 today has more interest in getting games released back in 2005 / 2006 rather than titles released in 2009 / this year.. (but i might be wrong)

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

The thing is racing games and sports game are different from other genres. With these two games, there rarely is a story to follow. Everything is essentially gameplay, which is refined through the sequel. With the example of Halo - Halo 3 is different from ODST, at leasts so far as the campaign goes. And Reach is different from them both in terms of everything. Most people would likely pick up Reach, but that what if Reach sparks someone's interest in the Halo mythology. What it they decide its worth it to live the Master Chief saga. Bam - Halo Ce, Halo 2, and Halo 3 are at least getting a rent. I just lent out my copy of ODST to a friend so he could enjoy the Reach beta. Yet, he spends more time playing Halo 3 multiplayer because he enjoys Action Sack way more than any playlist of the beta.

As another example - Mass Effect. Someone could easily skipped the entire series up until 3, but considering its such a story heavy game, I'm sure some people are going to take a look at the other two previous titles.

Again, bringing up my girlfriend who just bought a PS3 She opted for Uncharted 1 over Uncharted 2, because she wants to experience the beginning of the series and then move into the sequels.

Malta_1980

for story driven titles i have to agree with you specially when talking about trilogy based titles where the story is spread on all titles so best way is playing them all....

but the thing remains that honestly i really find it hard that someone getting a 360 or PS3 today has more interest in getting games released back in 2005 / 2006 rather than titles released in 2009 / this year.. (but i might be wrong)

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

The thing is racing games and sports game are different from other genres. With these two games, there rarely is a story to follow. Everything is essentially gameplay, which is refined through the sequel. With the example of Halo - Halo 3 is different from ODST, at leasts so far as the campaign goes. And Reach is different from them both in terms of everything. Most people would likely pick up Reach, but that what if Reach sparks someone's interest in the Halo mythology. What it they decide its worth it to live the Master Chief saga. Bam - Halo Ce, Halo 2, and Halo 3 are at least getting a rent. I just lent out my copy of ODST to a friend so he could enjoy the Reach beta. Yet, he spends more time playing Halo 3 multiplayer because he enjoys Action Sack way more than any playlist of the beta.

As another example - Mass Effect. Someone could easily skipped the entire series up until 3, but considering its such a story heavy game, I'm sure some people are going to take a look at the other two previous titles.

Again, bringing up my girlfriend who just bought a PS3 She opted for Uncharted 1 over Uncharted 2, because she wants to experience the beginning of the series and then move into the sequels.

Malta_1980

for story driven titles i have to agree with you specially when talking about trilogy based titles where the story is spread on all titles so best way is playing them all....

but the thing remains that honestly i really find it hard that someone getting a 360 or PS3 today has more interest in getting games released back in 2005 / 2006 rather than titles released in 2009 / this year.. (but i might be wrong)

[QUOTE="Mestitia"]

I love how a bunch of you guys try to act a certain way just to discredit my arguement, I can see right through it, don't bs me, I know very well consoles gamers rather have recent games over old games, I'm not 12, so don't bother trying to convince me unless your really just trying to convince yourselves... And I never said older games can't be great, we are speaking in broad terms though, ofc you guys get that, you just pretend you don't so your precious 360 doesn't look as bad.

locopatho

9 out of 10 System Warriors dislike made up statistics :(

And Mass Effect and Halo 3, games from 07, are easily better than many of the new games coming out. Ditto for MGS4 on PS3.

but he/she has a point though, I know old games can't be discredited but almost on all forms of entertainment or products people searches and talks about what is new for what is next to come since most people got these old forms of entertainment or products, only few who missed it, I don't brag about the godfather if I just watched it all Im gonna hear is "old dude, very old, we get it, the movie is a masterpiece but that discussion is also old, people are waiting for Prince and Persia and we just watched Iron Man 2 dude".

Even in career discussions people talk about the now instead of the was, someone was a superstar two years ago in hollywood, but what about now? he/she is offering average performance nowadays.

GT was the best racing series, these days however, they have to prove themselves against modern racing offerings.

you see whereImgoing with this?

360 was the best console a few years back, these days they need to bring something stellar, if MS keep coming up with games like Mass Effect 2 throughout the year then I can safely say they will be the top but it's hard to achieve since SMG2,Metroidother M, new Legen of Zelda, LPB2, GOW3, GT5 and few other titles in other platforms are just as much good and actually might be better offerings than what 360 is offering to gamers.

too bad those PC360 multiplats are more valuable in the real world.

here, they mean a lot less. even Sony acknowledges them as 'exclusives' because it's console vs. console to them. PC has no representative.

it doesn't matter if games like Mass Effect and L4D are on PC, it's a lineup MS can still boast.

and it was 50 million towards Rockstar...and it was also a loan.:|

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Mestitia"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Mestitia"][QUOTE="racing1750"]

GS scores are used for official flops everything else is fair game, ask a mod if you want. And I didn't take games away from the 360, I'm simply stating they aren't as strong as recent games, and if the difference is 2 or 3 games the vast ,majority of console gamers rather have the recent library.

Mestitia

and for purposes of comparing exclusives. :?

you're free to use metacritic for your personal use but it doesn't really hold any weight here.

125 million? Wasn't the guess from Pachter at 75 million? So where'd the extra 50 mil come from?

How do you know they paid for other excusives to go multiplat? Do you have links for this?

The bad hardware was a good point, though the addition of the 3 year warranty helped in a big way. On top of that, the 360 has plenty of good games, and a number of exclusives on the way, including Alan Wake, Halo Reach and Crackdown 2.

The 360 has also sold 40 million (link), so please do some research.

Alan Wake is both original, and cannot be played on PC.

lundy86_4

Yes they are Crumbling right before our very eyes......

41 million consoles Sold is Absolutely pathetic, no wonder theyre LAST PLACE this generation..( Whoops thats the OTHER GUYS..SORRY ).

theyre selling 360's by the truckloads because the thing now costs Microsoft Nothing to make vs PS3 who can hardly keep up with supply demands.

what a failure on Microsofts part to Lowere the 360 to $200 dollars and keep production costs down.

Alan Wake, Splintercell Conviction, Crackdown 2, Fable 3 and a little Independent game called Halo Reach ( which will sell 10 MILIION in its first week EASY ) are evidence of Xbox 360's Epic Fail.

devs are continually flocking to the 360 and pilling massive DLC ONTO THE SYSTEM because apparently making truckloads of cash off of the 360 is an Epic Fail while only selling a smattering of copies of the same titles on PS3 is an Heroic Win.

Xbox Live is doing better than ever and continues to Irritate its userbase by giving them everything they want and never crashing.

even furthur Damning evidence is the fact that Xbox 360 made 4.9 BILLION ( THATS BILLION WITH A B PEOPLE ) in software and hardware sales and is forcasted to do better in 2010.

oh yeah, lets not forget a little gem called Gears of War 3 due inspring 2011 that will only sell Millions on day one. what a fail for Epic Games and Microsoft.

so to answer your question YES, Xbox 360 is crumbling right before our eyes.

to the TC, the FAIL is Strong with you.

[QUOTE="theseekar"]

[QUOTE="Malta_1980"]

yes but you could have bought MGS4, GOW3, Uncharted 1 & 2, Killzone 2 while renting Goew 1 &2, Kameo, Viva Pinata, Bano 3 etc etc... IT IS THE SAME... what is you point? that you prefare 360 cause its more than clear in the points you listed..

Apparently all the cons 360 has dont bother you and you're most anticipated title is Fable3 which you know its gonna be awesome without having played it but yet know for sure FFXIIvs & The last Guardian will be crappy/boring which also you didnt play... i dont understand why it took you 9 points when all you had to say was 'I am basically a 360 fanboy & got PS3 only so that it can somehow hide this fact' :)

Malta_1980

Ionly buy games i like much

I bought Demon Soul for example and will buy GOW3 after a huge price drop, i would never buy any of the other ones, just did not like them

So, it is not the same

And you really think i bought a 500euro PS3 back then, to "cover" my 360 preference ? Isnt that a bit expensive ?

When i got PS3 FF13 was PS3 exclusive and i thought it would actually be a good game, see back then things were different

Demon Soul is the only PS3 game i really enjoyed much on PS3, and Ninja Gaiden of course, which i had finished on 360 first though

Ok so saying you got a PS3 to cover that you're a 360 fanboy was a bit too much considering i dont even know you.. however you surely have to admit you didnt make a good decision buying a system considering you dont like any of the major great exclusives released / coming out on PS3...

Well, when i buy a system i always know something else good will come, that is why i bought PS3 mainly for FF13 and FF13vs and Wii for Zelda TP

I was dissapointed by both though, they have lost all magic they had back then, i still consider Zelda OOT and WW the best zeldas and FF7-9 the best FFs

I do admit i like 360 better, i liked Lost Odyssey a lot more than FF13, and gmes like Fable 2-3, Banjo 3, Alan Wake, Kameo, Mass Effect etc are my thing

And while Fable 3 is my most wanted title right now, i cant wait for a Demon Soul2 for my PS3, hope it comes true, that game was amazing and better than most PS3 and 360 games like Halo, Gears, Killzone, Uncharted, MGS4, GTA4etc

Eh, I don't agree with some of their methods (like cheap-as-possible hardware and paying for online), but they are still doing well... so I'm not really sure where you got the idea the 360 is crumbling.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

125 million? Wasn't the guess from Pachter at 75 million? So where'd the extra 50 mil come from?

How do you know they paid for other excusives to go multiplat? Do you have links for this?

The bad hardware was a good point, though the addition of the 3 year warranty helped in a big way. On top of that, the 360 has plenty of good games, and a number of exclusives on the way, including Alan Wake, Halo Reach and Crackdown 2.

The 360 has also sold 40 million (link), so please do some research.

Alan Wake is both original, and cannot be played on PC.

Kokuro_Kun

Yeah.... A quick google search didn't bring up much.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

125 million? Wasn't the guess from Pachter at 75 million? So where'd the extra 50 mil come from?

How do you know they paid for other excusives to go multiplat? Do you have links for this?

The bad hardware was a good point, though the addition of the 3 year warranty helped in a big way. On top of that, the 360 has plenty of good games, and a number of exclusives on the way, including Alan Wake, Halo Reach and Crackdown 2.

The 360 has also sold 40 million (link), so please do some research.

Alan Wake is both original, and cannot be played on PC.

Kokuro_Kun

no, but history, a brief history, shows that the PS3 had plenty of launch problems and had a very weak install base.

I don't think a publisher such as Capcom would launch a game on such a small install base.

higher development costs point out that it's quite voluntary.

and again, the Episodes were a loan, and if anything, those were more than fair game. Looking back at San Andreas + Sony's deal, they brought a lot of that on themselves.

So called exclusives are never really exclusives, they spent 125 million dollars just to get gta 4. and all sorts of ridiculous numbers to get other ps3 exclusives, they rushed out bad hardware, price drop after price drop, no real good games (none exclusives whatsoever) on the horizion. and a recent number of 35.7 million ps3s sold with no update from 360 in over a year.

despite a one year head start they are pathetically falling apart, with nothing going for them other than shocking people by getting ps3 quality onto their console, getting a new crap metal gear series and other games that were supposed to be exclusives.

give us something original that we cant play on pc either. jeez.

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125 million? Wasn't the guess from Pachter at 75 million? So where'd the extra 50 mil come from?

How do you know they paid for other excusives to go multiplat? Do you have links for this?

The bad hardware was a good point, though the addition of the 3 year warranty helped in a big way. On top of that, the 360 has plenty of good games, and a number of exclusives on the way, including Alan Wake, Halo Reach and Crackdown 2.

The 360 has also sold 40 million (link), so please do some research.

Alan Wake is both original, and cannot be played on PC.

Kokuro_Kun

[QUOTE="Mestitia"][QUOTE="racing1750"]

[QUOTE="Mestitia"] Only if your looking at pointless 2005 titles nobody brags about or plays anymore. The last 3/4 years the 360 has been getting crushed in all those categories, and the thread is about what's going on now not 5+ years ago.delta3074

Pointless? So these titles don't exist anymore :?

it's not outselling the ps3 in UK and USA by much they are dead even, while worldwide ps3 is killing the 360 especially in japan which makes the PS3 have more sales than X360 in the total picture.

too bad those PC360 multiplats are more valuable in the real world.

here, they mean a lot less. even Sony acknowledges them as 'exclusives' because it's console vs. console to them. PC has no representative.

it doesn't matter if games like Mass Effect and L4D are on PC, it's a lineup MS can still boast.

and it was 50 million towards Rockstar...and it was also a loan.:|

HavocV3

It does matter because people like me that own a PS3 can get games on 360 that I would want to get a 360 for.

I got Mass Effect 2 at a cheaper price and with much better graphics on pc.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Mestitia"] Ya let's brag about PGR1 2 and 3 now that 4 is out eh? Yes pointless, alot of them are just that, pointless numbers 360 fans use to brag because of the lack of recent games.fightninja162

it's not outselling the ps3 in UK and USA by much they are dead even, while worldwide ps3 is killing the 360 especially in japan which makes the PS3 have more sales than X360 in the total picture.

[QUOTE="HavocV3"]

too bad those PC360 multiplats are more valuable in the real world.

here, they mean a lot less. even Sony acknowledges them as 'exclusives' because it's console vs. console to them. PC has no representative.

it doesn't matter if games like Mass Effect and L4D are on PC, it's a lineup MS can still boast.

and it was 50 million towards Rockstar...and it was also a loan.:|

fightninja162

It does matter because people like me that own a PS3 can get games on 360 that I would want to get a 360 for.

I got Mass Effect 2 at a cheaper price and with much better graphics on pc.

that R* lone jumped up to 125 million, and because Patcher said MS paid for GTAIV to be multiplat its true now? HILARIOUS. Patcher has never been right, and i doubt he will start now. You really wanna talk about crumbling how about a certain system that dominated for 2 generations straight being dead last.

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[QUOTE="delta3074"]dude, you CANNOT discount 360 games from 2005 just cos it doesn't suit your argument, lets get things in perspective, the 360 is in 2nd place in installed base, it is still outselling the Ps3 in america and the UK, the two largest gaming regions on the planet, according to GS scores it has the most AAA,AA,A titles, those are the FACTS, we go by GS scores here, like it or lump it there is nothing you can do about it.and before you even think of saying the UK isn't the second largest gaming region on the planet http://www.joystiq.com/2009/02/10/uk-game-industry-beats-japan-takes-second-place/ and before you say the 360 isn't outselling the Ps3 in the UK http://www.mcvuk.com/news/36642/Xbox-360-outselling-PS3-3-to-1 http://n4g.com/news/354464/uk-console-installed-base-tops-24m http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/360-outselling-ps3-since-gta-iv-launc Karnage108

it's not outselling the ps3 in UK and USA by much they are dead even, while worldwide ps3 is killing the 360 especially in japan which makes the PS3 have more sales than X360 in the total picture.

no last npd the 360 did not kill the PS3 it won the sales by a very small margin and some months the ps3 has been winning the npd.

worldwide the ps3 is winning sales that's why the $800 head start money of 360 is half gone.

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[QUOTE="HavocV3"]

too bad those PC360 multiplats are more valuable in the real world.

here, they mean a lot less. even Sony acknowledges them as 'exclusives' because it's console vs. console to them. PC has no representative.

it doesn't matter if games like Mass Effect and L4D are on PC, it's a lineup MS can still boast.

and it was 50 million towards Rockstar...and it was also a loan.:|

Karnage108

It does matter because people like me that own a PS3 can get games on 360 that I would want to get a 360 for.

I got Mass Effect 2 at a cheaper price and with much better graphics on pc.

I got it at Gamestop for $49