So about the whole "Scorpio will cost $599-$799" thing......

Bullshit. I can question Scorpio's existence, even be negative about it without being a cow who sold his soul and first born to satan. It's not me with the emotional problem of worshiping consoles enough to insult those who say anything about them.

I'm an adult. Even so, I can shit post when I want as well. Difference is, I'm not taking this crap seriously enough to be a punk when unprovoked. Although when bitten, I can be a total bastard when I want.

All that said? There's no reason to attack people who just wanna discuss shit on an open forum. I mean, yeah, I get that people wanna have fun and crap on stuff and what not. Still no reason to call everybody a cow who doesn't like Scorpio. That's childish and annoyingly stupid.

Because they have no argument or legit stance since it's not out yet, so all they can do is troll it up. What really stands out is just how mad people get over the issue of power. It's like Xbox fans just can't stand the thought of not having the most powerful system, so their judgement gets clouded and that's all they can think about.

Must be some deep feeling of insecurity to make them behave in such a way as to attack everybody, and not just the hardcore cows who they should be focusing on instead of folks like you and I.

Are you trying to be ironic? We've been fine for three years with a system that is not the most powerful console, it's a first but we've been fine with it. We've never really cared about it because it's done little to actually negatively impact the games on this system. Who for the last three years has been gloating about console power? Sony fanatics, and why is that? Because for the first time in Sony's history they finally have a console which has the most power for a generation and as quickly as it came to power it's going to be extinguished from it, for the third time by an Xbox console and for a total of four times since they entered the market.

• The 5th generation ended with Nintendo having the most powerful system.
• The 6th generation ended with Microsoft having the most powerful system.
• The 7th generation ended with Microsoft having the most powerful system.
• The 8th generation will end with Micorosoft having the most powerful system.

They got a period of time in the limelight and it went to their heads because they've never really been there in terms of performance metrics, they got arrogant, they got cocky, and now they're in panic mode because yet again they're going to the back of the bus for the fourth consecutive time. There's no insecurity here, we've been completely fine, we've been having a perfectly normal console generation. These people however have painted a picture of inferiority on the Xbox community that doesn't really exist or matter, they're perpetuating it, not us because we've been happy and playing games.

Do you want to hear the ultimate irony? Scorpio likely exists as a result of the PlayStation community perpetuating the Xbox One as inferior garbage on every form of gaming social media that exists on the internet. Their criticism of the system being weak, worthless and junk is no doubt what Microsoft has been scoring over for the last three years and has been the motivation to create Scorpio.

Be happy PlayStation community, you are the reason for your own damage control, you are the reason Microsoft got the motivation to create the console of your very undoing, and it's hilarious.

Are you trying to be ironic? We've been fine for three years with a system that is not the most powerful console, it's a first but we've been fine with it. We've never really cared about it because it's done little to actually negatively impact the games on this system. Who for the last three years has been gloating about console power? Sony fanatics, and why is that? Because for the first time in Sony's history they finally have a console which has the most power for a generation and as quickly as it came to power it's going to be extinguished from it, for the third time by an Xbox console and for a total of four times since they entered the market.

• The 5th generation ended with Nintendo having the most powerful system.
• The 6th generation ended with Microsoft having the most powerful system.
• The 7th generation ended with Microsoft having the most powerful system.
• The 8th generation will end with Micorosoft having the most powerful system.

They got a period of time in the limelight and it went to their heads because they've never really been there in terms of performance metrics, they got arrogant, they got cocky, and now they're in panic mode because yet again they're going to the back of the bus for the fourth consecutive time. There's no insecurity here, we've been completely fine, we've been having a perfectly normal console generation. These people however have painted a picture of inferiority on the Xbox community that doesn't really exist or matter, they're perpetuating it, not us because we've been happy and playing games.

Do you want to hear the ultimate irony? Scorpio likely exists as a result of the PlayStation community perpetuating the Xbox One as inferior garbage on every form of gaming social media that exists on the internet. Their criticism of the system being weak, worthless and junk is no doubt what Microsoft has been scoring over for the last three years and has been the motivation to create Scorpio.

Be happy PlayStation community, you are the reason for your own damage control, you are the reason Microsoft got the motivation to create the console of your very undoing, and it's hilarious.

Ummmmm... Did one of the biggest Sony fanboys just call the CPU in the Xbox One S shitty when it is the same fucking CPU that is in the Sony Slim and Pro they praise to all mighty hell! Hell to be honest both consoles have shitty GPUs/CPUs compared to what is out now including the Pro! But it is funny to see a Sony fanboy to call out one product as shitty as they share almost exactly the same architecture. I know the PS4 and Pro have beefier GPUs but they are pretty much out of the same family of GPUs.

You can purchase a Xbox One and PS4 for 249 right now. Hell Microsoft just had a sale for 229 on the Xbox One S last week. You can count on the Xbox One S to be 199 before next Christmas and the Xbox Scorpio to be 399!

It's a three times more capable system than the Pro.

Are you trying to be ironic? We've been fine for three years with a system that is not the most powerful console, it's a first but we've been fine with it. We've never really cared about it because it's done little to actually negatively impact the games on this system. Who for the last three years has been gloating about console power? Sony fanatics, and why is that? Because for the first time in Sony's history they finally have a console which has the most power for a generation and as quickly as it came to power it's going to be extinguished from it, for the third time by an Xbox console and for a total of four times since they entered the market.

• The 5th generation ended with Nintendo having the most powerful system.
• The 6th generation ended with Microsoft having the most powerful system.
• The 7th generation ended with Microsoft having the most powerful system.
• The 8th generation will end with Micorosoft having the most powerful system.

They got a period of time in the limelight and it went to their heads because they've never really been there in terms of performance metrics, they got arrogant, they got cocky, and now they're in panic mode because yet again they're going to the back of the bus for the fourth consecutive time. There's no insecurity here, we've been completely fine, we've been having a perfectly normal console generation. These people however have painted a picture of inferiority on the Xbox community that doesn't really exist or matter, they're perpetuating it, not us because we've been happy and playing games.

Do you want to hear the ultimate irony? Scorpio likely exists as a result of the PlayStation community perpetuating the Xbox One as inferior garbage on every form of gaming social media that exists on the internet. Their criticism of the system being weak, worthless and junk is no doubt what Microsoft has been scoring over for the last three years and has been the motivation to create Scorpio.

Be happy PlayStation community, you are the reason for your own damage control, you are the reason Microsoft got the motivation to create the console of your very undoing, and it's hilarious.

You are silly if you think MS cares what it own fanboys think much less Sony's fanboys.

Sounds like the ramblings of a grown child.

First things first Who the fu** are you.? Oh wait look at those 90 post and 2012 join date,another dusted off lemming alt account you fan boy have no backbone post from your normal account have some dignity.

Now into the point yes i call it shitty ass CPU,just like the PS4 one and Pro one to are shitty.

Yes so are the7750 and the Fury X they are in the same family GCN regardless of being greatly apart power wise.

Yes $249 right now Offers end on December 24 for both that is a Christmas deal not the real retail price which is $299,so again the XBOS 2TB with that shitty hardware is $400 dollars there is no way in hell Scorpio will be $399 without MS losing money.

Yeah maybe in your dreamland, no maybe you can count that the xbox one is on deal at $199 and normal at $250,the ps4 pro does not even have UHD for movies has the same CPU and same ram and just a GPU bump as is$100 more you people should stop being delusional.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Man you will be so ridicule once holiday 2017 arrived...

Remember 300% more power mean 300% higher resolution or 300% more frames i just can't wait for DF comparison..lol

TCHBR. :P

It is inferior garbage and Scorpio will be too. What MS wasn't smart enough to realize was that people were calling the xbone garbage because of the lack of exclusive games that make it worth owning, not because it was weaker. So the ones owning themselves are MS and lems which were dumb enough to not realize this.

Be happy PlayStation community, you are the reason for your own damage control, you are the reason Microsoft got the motivation to create the console of your very undoing, and it's hilarious.

@tormentos: You need to improve on your reading and comprehension skills. You are free to take another shot once you figured out what was being said. Also good job stating that the PS4 and Pro are shit compared to Scorpio.

Does it matter what anyones post count is around here to post on these forums? Anytime someone brings post count or you must be an alt count they have no argument! If you think this is an alt account bet me! Please bet me! I have actually been part of these forums for over 15+ years. I just never merged my account way back when.

How do you know Microsoft would take a loss at $399? You at the meetings with Microsoft and the part suppliers to make that assumption? No one knows and that is just a opinion I have. I think that is the price point Microsoft has to hit to compete in the market with the Scorpio. If you have a console at $199 and the other priced at $399 that would be pricing it as a premium product.

P.S. Microsoft has sold consoles at a loss before if they believe it is what needs to be done. Not saying they would do this, but they have done this in the past.

Are you trying to be ironic? We've been fine for three years with a system that is not the most powerful console, it's a first but we've been fine with it. We've never really cared about it because it's done little to actually negatively impact the games on this system. Who for the last three years has been gloating about console power? Sony fanatics, and why is that? Because for the first time in Sony's history they finally have a console which has the most power for a generation and as quickly as it came to power it's going to be extinguished from it, for the third time by an Xbox console and for a total of four times since they entered the market.

• The 5th generation ended with Nintendo having the most powerful system.
• The 6th generation ended with Microsoft having the most powerful system.
• The 7th generation ended with Microsoft having the most powerful system.
• The 8th generation will end with Micorosoft having the most powerful system.

They got a period of time in the limelight and it went to their heads because they've never really been there in terms of performance metrics, they got arrogant, they got cocky, and now they're in panic mode because yet again they're going to the back of the bus for the fourth consecutive time. There's no insecurity here, we've been completely fine, we've been having a perfectly normal console generation. These people however have painted a picture of inferiority on the Xbox community that doesn't really exist or matter, they're perpetuating it, not us because we've been happy and playing games.

Do you want to hear the ultimate irony? Scorpio likely exists as a result of the PlayStation community perpetuating the Xbox One as inferior garbage on every form of gaming social media that exists on the internet. Their criticism of the system being weak, worthless and junk is no doubt what Microsoft has been scoring over for the last three years and has been the motivation to create Scorpio.

Be happy PlayStation community, you are the reason for your own damage control, you are the reason Microsoft got the motivation to create the console of your very undoing, and it's hilarious.

This part of your post is incorrect. Plenty of many devs have stated that the ps3 was in fact more powerful and more capable than the 360, but the 360 was easier to develop for and yielded much lower development cost than the ps3. Remember: easier =/= more powerful.

Power is a metric of performance output and practical capability, theoretically the PlayStation 3 was a more powerful system but it was never shown to be in practice.

For example, an AMD GPU has a set of throughput specifications, these are nothing more than numbers with theoretical performance expectations attached to them. Now imagine Doom for example only ever released under the OpenGL API, whatever this card performed at under this API is and would forever be its performance output relative to the power of the card. You could theorize gains and performance metrics beyond OpenGL but it would never be anything beyond theory, theory is not evidence of capability.

However Doom got the Vulkan API which produced substantial gains in game performance, now could the PlayStation 3 have had some large amount of untapped power due to software limitations like Doom with OpenGL? Absolutely, but the difference is no one ever got there and nothing in reality corroborates the theoretics of the PlayStation 3's power capabilities.

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Man you will be so ridicule once holiday 2017 arrived...

Remember 300% more power mean 300% higher resolution or 300% more frames i just can't wait for DF comparison..lol

As thought out as this post is, it's all moot. Sorry, but I'll take the dev word over yours. Multiplats definitely shined on the 360, and most of the devs stated that since the 360 had the user base, they just ported over the multiplat to the ps3, in which didn't do the ps3 version any kind of justice, however when talking exclusives, even though it's all opinion based, it was widely believed that the ps3 had the better looking exclusives, especially since most of it's exclusives ran at a native HD resolution (with some running higher than that) while the only the only exclusives on the 360 that ran at a native resolution was Gears, Fable, and Forza. Halo didn't join the group until Halo 4, I believe.

@tormentos: How did that confirm I am an alt. ROFL... Way back when GameSpot moved to the new format everyone had to convert their information over to the new website. I choose not to and recreated my account under the same name Xabiss and just started over.

I'll take practical application results over what uncited developers have to say, in the end output is all that matters, not a spreadsheet.

Using exclusive games as an argument stance isn't even an opinion, it's not even a view as there is literally no metric of comparison. Not the same developers, not the same engines, not the same coding, nothing is the same.

However, if it was the other way around with exclusives, that'll be ammo for you in this debate, but since it's potential ammo against you, it's all labeled as "doesn't matter" material. At the end, I'll take a devs word who worked with BOTH platforms over a user in a forum who's history totally favors an specific generation of a particular console any day of the week. Like I stated, plenty of many of devs have stated that the ps3 was more powerful and capable (if only by a little bit) than the 360 was. The reason why multiplats looked better on the 360 was because of the ease of development, as stated by the dev themselves. I never read a dev stating that the 360 had better multiplats because the 360 was more capable than the ps3.

The problem with lemmings is that they are bored because they don't have many things to look up to on the future so they hang to their only bit of hope left, which is this Scorpio thing. It will be really hard for them when it flops since nobody but them cares for it.

I said "uncited developers" for a reason, I was hoping you would have picked up on that and actually provide some kind of sensible information.

Sony Fanboys are the Worst

What is this backwards day???

Everyone with a brain knows the Sony guys are by far the worst. ;-)

https://www.destructoid.com/fact-ps3-fanboys-are-the-worst-149259.phtml

No it's just that lemmings apart from being the worst are also the loudest whiners and butthurted fanboys so they write whole articles to whine about how others are worse than them.

Since you're not the brightest individual, this article is written by the person you have in your avatar licking a PlayStation 4.

Dumbass.

I know that, but he changed his ways and now licks PS4s. He's happier now.

Dumbass.

I'm going to be saying this for the 20th time at least because you're completely illiterate, capability is not synonymous with power output/performance, I am talking OVERALL SYSTEMCAPABILITY...

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• 12 GB's of RAM compared to 8 means the memory can store 50% more data at once than the Pro
• 102 GB/s higher memory bandwidth means it can transfer this data 46% faster than the Pro
• A 1.8 higher Teraflop GPU means the system can process 42% more floating point operations in the same time frame as the Pro
• If the CPU is in fact Ryzen based it should realistically be at least a 66% more powerful CPU than its Jaguar counter-part in the Pro

Scorpio as an entire system should have excess 204% the system CAPABILITY of the Pro when you factor in every aspect of it, it should have over three times the capability, not 300%, but you're illiterate so I digress. For a metric of comparison the Xbox One is ten times more capable as a system than the Xbox 360 when you cross reference all of its hardware, not just the GPU which is what you seem to fixate on.

For another example, the PlayStation 4 has an overall system capability that is 76% higher than that of the Xbox One, is it 76% more powerful? No, it's 76% more capable as a device.

No it's just that lemmings apart from being the worst are also the loudest whiners and butthurted fanboys so they write whole articles to whine about how others are worse than them.

1-The PS4 Pro is not shooting for 4k in most games,is not shooting for ULTRA there goes your 50% more data store,hell not even scorpio is shooting for ultra 4k so 12GB is a waste.

2-Again the PS4 Pro has 42% less power and is not shooting for 4k ultra again,which consumes less bandwidth,less power less bandwidth usage dude,if you don't have 6TF why do you need bandwidth relative to 6TF.

3-Again speculation pulled from deep deep down your ass,no one knows if it is 100% Zen and no one know its speed,and considering it is an APU i don't see 8 full size cores at 3.5ghz,so there is no speed and no confirmation of what CPU will be,some say it is zen but most probably is a smaller form factor or gimped do to heat.

Hell isn't Rizen 95 watts.? Yeah that match with the XBO Jaguar which is what 25 watts.?

You buffoon 3 times X is 300% fu**ing % you sad biased lemming.

Ram doesn't increase power,CPU doesn't increase GPU power neither does bandwidth what those components do is allow your GPU to give all it can,since the PS4 Pro doesn't have 6TF it doesn't need 320gb of bandwidth,bandwidth without power mean shit just like ram without power or CPU without a great GPU.

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You clearly didn't even read the article, you're a complete moron.

You clearly didn't even read the article, you're a complete moron.

As a manticore I can judge it is incorrect by the title alone, who's the complete moron now, moron?

"As a manticore"

This is all seeming awfully familiar, hey System Wars, who was that one crappy troll who posts exactly like this who always started his posts with "As a PC gamer"?

I am going to say this for the 100 time.

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1-The PS4 Pro is not shooting for 4k in most games,is not shooting for ULTRA there goes your 50% more data store,hell not even scorpio is shooting for ultra 4k so 12GB is a waste.

2-Again the PS4 Pro has 42% less power and is not shooting for 4k ultra again,which consumes less bandwidth,less power less bandwidth usage dude,if you don't have 6TF why do you need bandwidth relative to 6TF.

3-Again speculation pulled from deep deep down your ass,no one knows if it is 100% Zen and no one know its speed,and considering it is an APU i don't see 8 full size cores at 3.5ghz,so there is no speed and no confirmation of what CPU will be,some say it is zen but most probably is a smaller form factor or gimped do to heat.

Hell isn't Rizen 95 watts.? Yeah that match with the XBO Jaguar which is what 25 watts.?

You buffoon 3 times X is 300% fu**ing % you sad biased lemming.

Ram doesn't increase power,CPU doesn't increase GPU power neither does bandwidth what those components do is allow your GPU to give all it can,since the PS4 Pro doesn't have 6TF it doesn't need 320gb of bandwidth,bandwidth without power mean shit just like ram without power or CPU without a great GPU.

jk

You really are an embarrassment...

• The PlayStation 4 Pro is not shooting for 4K? Are you fucking for real right now? It's most certainly trying and failing at it.
• Again, it's most certainly trying for 4K and developers are squeezing everything they possibly can out of it and hitting in more cases than not 1440p or 1800p with checkerboard rendering to 4K, their goal is 4K...
• Yes it is speculation, but it's educated speculation given the release window and every other specification the system is operating.
• Have you ever heard of low power tablet CPU's? You know, the fucking Jaguar for example... Do you think they would put a desktop CPU in this thing or something lol? Are you high?
• No, a 200% increase on something is the equivalent of 3x, do I really need to break this down for you? A 100% increase is 2x, a 150% increase is 2.5x, a 200% increase is 3x, a 300% increase is 4x.... Math is hard...

RAM doesn't increase power, it increases the amount of data that can be loaded at any given time, this includes texture resolution, texture streaming, mip-map switches, LoD, draw distances and so on and so forth. A higher performing CPU changes the amount of calculations and operations it can execute and how quickly.

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1.It was leak from sony own fu**ing documents that they were shooting for lower than 4k,checkerboard rendering for 4k is not TRUE 4k,and that is something sony knew and it on its leak documents about resolutions and which could be use to achieve so call 4k,if you render at 1800p is not 4k is you render at 1440p is not 4k,checkerboard rendering to achieve 4k is not 4k.

2.No is speculation based on blind fanboysm and thirst for power,much like you believe Scorpio will be 3 times as capable as the PS4 Pro with 42% more GPU,you just ignore that if the PS4 Pro can't hit 4k chances are at 4k,scorpio already will be using its gap in power just to render,much like it is the case now with the XBO and PS4 were the PS4 40% more power is showed by having higher resolution than the XBO.

3. 3 Time more power no matter how you slice it,it simple isn't true.

The 7790 beat the crap out of the xbox one,the 7870 beat the crap out of the PS4,in both scenarios both card had way less ram than the PS4 and xbox,in fact the 7790 has 1Gb the xbox one has 8 times as much memory,the PS4 has 4 times as much memory as the 7870 it means shit,hell the 7790 also has less bandwidth than the xbox one...hahahhaaa

Again non of those including the CPU increase GPU power they merely allow it to works as it best can,and since the PS4 Pro is not memory starved i don't see a problem.....

Again the Fury beat the R390X 8Gb regardless of having half the ram.

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They all should be pointing at the Wii U. That would be more realistic. lol!! XBox isn't going anywhere, especially with Scorpio out next year. Whatever makes you sleep at night. lol!!