So Apparently PS3 Is Only 4 Million Units Behind Xbox 360 In Worldwide Sales

So this just means they are about 8 million units behind first place.Which is what they should be talking about. It's pretty pathetic to go from the market leader to bragging about taking second place.

Go Sony!

[QUOTE="Adonymous"][QUOTE="goodlay"][QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="-GhostMLD-"]

so ur saying PS3 is still in 3rd place?

nov 05 - TBA 09, the time PS3 was 360's *****.

goodlay

Is PS3 catching 360 getting to you? You say 05 but PS3 wasn't even out in 05 and the only reason 360 was ahead in 06 an 07 is because it launched first. Enjoy your little lead while you can because it won't be long before PS3 has it's crown back.

Your crown? 2nd place must feel good.

Umm...you mean 3rd place right? PC has like 267m fanbase

Comparing PC fanbase to a consoles fanbase is unfair and irrelevant.

then so is comparing Wii fanbase to PS3/360 fanbase :|

You can't just not include someone because it discredits you.

[QUOTE="goodlay"][QUOTE="Adonymous"][QUOTE="goodlay"][QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="-GhostMLD-"]

so ur saying PS3 is still in 3rd place?

nov 05 - TBA 09, the time PS3 was 360's *****.

Adonymous

Is PS3 catching 360 getting to you? You say 05 but PS3 wasn't even out in 05 and the only reason 360 was ahead in 06 an 07 is because it launched first. Enjoy your little lead while you can because it won't be long before PS3 has it's crown back.

Your crown? 2nd place must feel good.

Umm...you mean 3rd place right? PC has like 267m fanbase

Comparing PC fanbase to a consoles fanbase is unfair and irrelevant.

then so is comparing Wii fanbase to PS3/360 fanbase :|

You can't just not include someone because it discredits you.

PC shouldnt be compared.

the console war is between Nintendo, MS, and Sony. Nobody represents PC.

PC shouldnt be compared.

the console war is between Nintendo, MS, and Sony. Nobody represents PC.

-GhostMLD-

well since nintendo isn't catering to real gamers anymore I guess we can cut them out too.

[QUOTE="goodlay"]Like that matters, 360 still has the premiere 3rd party support. The PS3 will outsell the 360 eventually, just because it's a HD DVD player, but I buy my systems for games, not movies. I don't need a 10th DVD player.II_Seraphim_II

...........Blu Ray............

[QUOTE="-GhostMLD-"]

PC shouldnt be compared.

the console war is between Nintendo, MS, and Sony. Nobody represents PC.

Adonymous

well since nintendo isn't catering to real gamers anymore I guess we can cut them out too.

its a console and is represented by a corporation. its part of the war.

lems accept being #2, why cant cows accept being #3?

[QUOTE="Adonymous"][QUOTE="-GhostMLD-"]

PC shouldnt be compared.

the console war is between Nintendo, MS, and Sony. Nobody represents PC.

-GhostMLD-

well since nintendo isn't catering to real gamers anymore I guess we can cut them out too.

its a console and is represented by a corporation. its part of the war.

lems accept being #2, why cant cows accept being #3?

[QUOTE="Gl0ry_L0rd"][QUOTE="KOTORkicker"]

[QUOTE="Hitman533"]

Poor MS, their 1 year advatage didnt help them. 360s destiny was 3rd place since the first day it lauched.

goodlay

Yeah... Yeah.

[QUOTE="ALTAIR360"]

mgs4 was the only game that boosted the sales so much.

360 has still geow2, fable2, banjo3,viva pinata2, and too human(maybe).

btw sony said NO PRICE CUT PLANNED.

POJO_MOFO

Also, LBP will is a bigger system seller than all those combined.

Yeah, an IP that no-one but Hardcore PS3 Gamers have heard of so far will move more consoles than a combination of either Gears Of War 2 + Fable 2/Gears Of War 2 + Banjo 3... Wait. There are Gears Of War 2, Fable 2, Mass Effect 2, Halo Wars, Banjo 3 Nuts & Bolts.. And more.

If you really think that a single relatively unknown IP is going to take all those IP's, good luck.

You put Banjo 3 on your list. That's pretty sad.

Resistance 2 will own Gears 2.

Halo Wars will flop.

Fable 2 will be alright.

Banjo 3 will be nothing special, and all you lemmings know that.

PS3 will have the better games this year, and in the future. You know that too.

Gears has a ton more widespread fans across the globe and it isn't just a generic game like Resistance is, Halo Wars will sell regardless, just because of the brand name. Fable 2 is only improving on Fable 1, which was a solid game, and Banjo looks promising though I don't exactly love the direction it's going in. LBP will not be a system seller, PS3 has no widespread appeal, all of the casuals either play Wii or 360.

Gears of War does has more fans compared to Resistance you should of said just america,LBP will be a system sellers and probaly the ps3's first AAAe and the ps3 does have widespread or it wouldn't be outselling the 360.

PC shouldnt be compared.

the console war is between Nintendo, MS, and Sony. Nobody represents PC.

-GhostMLD-

Blizzard does, and their games slaughter whats on the PS3 and 360 and Wii.

man, i just wish sony would stop toying with ms already and finally overtake them in hareware sales so these lameboy would get put in their placevirtuas

Thats what I was thinking

the only reason theyre so close is because of japan, but guess what... we dont live in japan so a lot of the games that are available there dont come here and have absolutly no effect on the american gaming scene

so if youre in japan you win ps3 owners, but if youre in the good old USA nice try

so far all ps3 has contributed nothing to american gamers except the kind of fanboys that create these topics, wake me up when GOW3 comes out...

nexgenwars.com has the amount at

20 million xbox360

10 million ps3

where was it that ps3 was catching up?

[QUOTE="virtuas"]man, i just wish sony would stop toying with ms already and finally overtake them in hareware sales so these lameboy would get put in their placeIceman2911

Thats what I was thinking

great minds

what i love is all the lemmings backpeddling like never before. For the last 2 years i've read nothing but how microsoft will outsell sony this gen and that sony will finish last. Now that it is quite evident that this isn't gonna happen (there shouldn't have been a doubt about that anyway, but that's another topic), the lemmings are covering themselves by saying "wow it took this long. The fact that it took this long just proves that microsoft has won". I bet in 2 years i'll be hearing, "well they only outsold microsoft by half of what they did last gen". Just take it like a man and admit that your system will be last this gen. Quit crying and making excuses, and deal w/ it.sixringz1

the only reason theyre so close is because of japan, but guess what... we dont live in japan so a lot of the games that are available there dont come here and have absolutly no effect on the american gaming scene

so if youre in japan you win ps3 owners, but if youre in the good old USA nice try

so far all ps3 has contributed nothing to american gamers except the kind of fanboys that create these topics, wake me up when GOW3 comes out...

ONS47

Actually it's Japan and Europe. PS3 has surpassed 360 in Europe. The only territory M$ has left is America.

Actually it's Japan and Europe. PS3 has surpassed 360 in Europe. The only territory M$ has left is America. -Renegade

cows from Australia says hello!

what i love is all the lemmings backpeddling like never before. For the last 2 years i've read nothing but how microsoft will outsell sony this gen and that sony will finish last. Now that it is quite evident that this isn't gonna happen (there shouldn't have been a doubt about that anyway, but that's another topic), the lemmings are covering themselves by saying "wow it took this long. The fact that it took this long just proves that microsoft has won". I bet in 2 years i'll be hearing, "well they only outsold microsoft by half of what they did last gen". Just take it like a man and admit that your system will be last this gen. Quit crying and making excuses, and deal w/ it.sixringz1

It's amazing isn't it? Just last year I had to basically fend off against hundreds of lemmings that all said Sony is doomed and lost the war now EVERYONE but a select few have a different tune. I told them things would change this year but noone wanted to listen now I laugh at them all.

nexgenwars.com has the amount at

20 million xbox360

10 million ps3

where was it that ps3 was catching up?

ONS47

Nextgen wars has a funny way of doing their numbers. Sony was at 10 million sold since the end of last year and with their last numbers in March they were at 12 million. Sony > Nexgenwars

[QUOTE="sixringz1"]what i love is all the lemmings backpeddling like never before. For the last 2 years i've read nothing but how microsoft will outsell sony this gen and that sony will finish last. Now that it is quite evident that this isn't gonna happen (there shouldn't have been a doubt about that anyway, but that's another topic), the lemmings are covering themselves by saying "wow it took this long. The fact that it took this long just proves that microsoft has won". I bet in 2 years i'll be hearing, "well they only outsold microsoft by half of what they did last gen". Just take it like a man and admit that your system will be last this gen. Quit crying and making excuses, and deal w/ it.-Renegade

It's amazing isn't it? Just last year I had to basically fend off against hundreds of lemmings that all said Sony is doomed and lost the war now EVERYONE but a select few have a different tune. I told them things would change this year but noone wanted to listen now I laugh at them all.

Is it the PS3 game machine or the PS3 Blu ray machine that people are buying ?

Sure its both I guess.

But what are the software sales ?

And Sony has Japan, so MS being ahead 4 million is pretty good when you think about them not having a share of a big market like Japan.

The PS3 is the king of creativity now? The only game remotely creative is LBP. It haven't played that yet. I have played Viva Pinata, and that game was very creative. Millennium_King

Not the king but they make very creative games. Ico, SOTC, patapon, loco roco, echochrome, and Flower to name a few. Also if anybody remembers this game Intelligent qube, that game was pure mind bending awesome, lol.

so, wait, yesterday the Sales thread of the day Put the PS3 5 million behind the 360, today its 4 million...ok

Now this is coming out of the mouth of a sony PR, with no statistical evidence, with the man assuming that the 360 is still sitting in the 19 million unit range, this an estimate that was made in April 2008??

Ok...:roll:

[QUOTE="Millennium_King"]The PS3 is the king of creativity now? The only game remotely creative is LBP. It haven't played that yet. I have played Viva Pinata, and that game was very creative. Krigon

Just need to name one developer. Fumito Ueda.

Yes, I think he is one of the best. Top 3 easily

Lmao this thread is hypocracy at its finest. Especially given the number of responses.

I thought you couldnt play sales?

;)

You say its about the games (which I agree it is) but you cant rate games, because it will ALWAYS be purely opinion. So this leaves SW with a problem - if sales dont affect your enjoyment of a machine (only the pocket of some corporation) and games cannot be rated because they are based on opinion,what the hell are we supposed to use?

I like Jack Tretton. He seems like a cool dude.carljohnson3456

Yeah me to. I hope they don't ever get rid of him.

[QUOTE="Hitman533"]Poor MS, their 1 year advatage didnt help them. 360s destiny was 3rd place since the first day it lauched.Coyo7e

Totally. Getting all the multi-plats that were ps2 timed exclusives and pure exclusives did not help. Stealing the majority of the JRPG market did not help. Hell, even being four million ahead now does not help.

Sony planned all along to lose the majority market share in gaming this gen. It is part of their master plan.

so sony buuilt this expensive machine. slapped the playstation brand on it. and planned on it selling horribly????i think you need to be cut off the crack. no company builds something then sits back and says "hey i hope nobody buys this thing". sony made a very poor judgement and they figured that no matter the cost people would buy it because it says playstation on it. bottom line they F%^&ed up

neither MS nor Sony's figures are reputable. this has been established numerous times in SW.

both MS and Sony changed inventory methodology, and what they report as sold, during their initial sales cycles. figures were never adjusted based on this change, hence all consoles sales figures for anything but nintendo are horribly flawed and anyone that tries to use them as ownage is equally flawed.

sorry, but it's a fact :) you'll never actually know the real 'sold' figures for either Sony or Microsoft. and honestly, you shouldn't care. and if you do - i dunno, good luck i guess arguing a hapless and hopeless cause ;)

so i guess this thread is done now, unless you guys want to argue about fictional stuff that doesn't matter - which I'm sure some of you do. so carry on.

Does anyone really doubt the PS3 will outsell the 360?Eddie-Vedder

most sane people, yes.

if you gauge sales againt MS in terms of people connected to the live service (PSN vs XBL). given the ratio, MS has drastically outsold Sony this gen... or you could be crazy and try to claim that PSN's free service just isn't as popular as MS pay-to-play service.

either way. go nuts.

360 is ahead of the game, Nintendo has finished the race, and the PS3, despite claiming to have 'sold' close the same number of consoles as the 360 has the most abysmal online attach rate in history based on PSN figures.

Or, you could be a realist and admit that sony and ms haven't sold as much as they claim (sony inflates more, fact) and move on.

your choice.

neither MS nor Sony's figures are reputable. this has been established numerous times in SW.

both MS and Sony changed inventory methodology, and what they report as sold, during their initial sales cycles. figures were never adjusted based on this change, hence all consoles sales figures for anything but nintendo are horribly flawed and anyone that tries to use them as ownage is equally flawed.

sorry, but it's a fact :) you'll never actually know the real 'sold' figures for either Sony or Microsoft. and honestly, you shouldn't care. and if you do - i dunno, good luck i guess arguing a hapless and hopeless cause ;)

so i guess this thread is done now, unless you guys want to argue about fictional stuff that doesn't matter - which I'm sure some of you do. so carry on.

3picuri3

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]I like Jack Tretton. He seems like a cool dude.-Renegade

Yeah me to. I hope they don't ever get rid of him.

lmao, i've found the first jack tretton fans ever. he's like the nick nolte of gaming, even worse than kaz and harrison and moore combined. yikes... good luck with that one guys.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

neither MS nor Sony's figures are reputable. this has been established numerous times in SW.

both MS and Sony changed inventory methodology, and what they report as sold, during their initial sales cycles. figures were never adjusted based on this change, hence all consoles sales figures for anything but nintendo are horribly flawed and anyone that tries to use them as ownage is equally flawed.

sorry, but it's a fact :) you'll never actually know the real 'sold' figures for either Sony or Microsoft. and honestly, you shouldn't care. and if you do - i dunno, good luck i guess arguing a hapless and hopeless cause ;)

so i guess this thread is done now, unless you guys want to argue about fictional stuff that doesn't matter - which I'm sure some of you do. so carry on.

vaderhater

absolutely agree, console sales figures are useless ammo, in the real world and SW. most people realize this an accept it. some don't. that's why we're here right now :) some people just don't get it. and some people don't realize how superficial the figures are, or realize that they're flimsy enough that they aren't even considered by investors and analysts (they have their own, more accurate figures from in-house research).

i honestly chuckle out loud whenever someone brings up Sony or MS sales in SW. and i'm not a sheep by any means.. i'm just a realist with a good head on his shoulders that researches and understands how these figures are created and what they mean :) not tooting my own horn at all, anyone can do it. just have to spend more than 10 minutes thinking about it and reading up on things.

why cant you just enjoy your ps3? I think is a great machine but not even close to the 360, the 360 has all the games you would like, besides I think sony games are cheesy, they are like bad hollywood films.navarrogc_395

not all are, but MGS4 and FF omg. i'd rather sit through Laurence of Arabia 7 times straight with my eyes forced open and vinegar dripping on them. the cutscenes just kill it for me... it would be alright if the writing and stories were decent, but i seriously can't take 'modern' final fantasy, or MGS. it's just way too much cheese for me, and i like me some cheese :) actually it's like being slapped in the face with a dead trout full of warm brie.

(aka, it's the opposite of subtle! and i get enough of that tripe from pop culture and my stoner friends tyvm)

*this opinion was brought to you by me, you may not endorse my opinion, i do not care*

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]I like Jack Tretton. He seems like a cool dude.3picuri3

Yeah me to. I hope they don't ever get rid of him.

lmao, i've found the first jack tretton fans ever. he's like the nick nolte of gaming, even worse than kaz and harrison and moore combined. yikes... good luck with that one guys.

Yeah, lol. Personally, Phil Harrison was the only good Sony exec. With him gone, Jack Tretton is all that's left and that's pretty weak in my opinion.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]Does anyone really doubt the PS3 will outsell the 360?3picuri3

most sane people, yes.

if you gauge sales againt MS in terms of people connected to the live service (PSN vs XBL). given the ratio, MS has drastically outsold Sony this gen... or you could be crazy and try to claim that PSN's free service just isn't as popular as MS pay-to-play service.

either way. go nuts.

360 is ahead of the game, Nintendo has finished the race, and the PS3, despite claiming to have 'sold' close the same number of consoles as the 360 has the most abysmal online attach rate in history based on PSN figures.

Or, you could be a realist and admit that sony and ms haven't sold as much as they claim (sony inflates more, fact) and move on.

your choice.

Doesn't PS3 have like 10m PSN subscribers? (I think I read it somewhere), which is pretty good considering the fanbase is only 14.5m at best.

Resistance 2 will own Gears 2.

Gl0ry_L0rd

Quote of the day!

lol I cant stand final fantasy either, those ubergay characters make me feel like im playing an emo game, I like epic stories with people with normal haircuts.navarrogc_395

Yeah lets all play as anorexic boys with long blond hair who swing giant claymores!

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]Does anyone really doubt the PS3 will outsell the 360?Adonymous

most sane people, yes.

if you gauge sales againt MS in terms of people connected to the live service (PSN vs XBL). given the ratio, MS has drastically outsold Sony this gen... or you could be crazy and try to claim that PSN's free service just isn't as popular as MS pay-to-play service.

either way. go nuts.

360 is ahead of the game, Nintendo has finished the race, and the PS3, despite claiming to have 'sold' close the same number of consoles as the 360 has the most abysmal online attach rate in history based on PSN figures.

Or, you could be a realist and admit that sony and ms haven't sold as much as they claim (sony inflates more, fact) and move on.

your choice.

Doesn't PS3 have like 10m PSN subscribers? (I think I read it somewhere), which is pretty good considering the fanbase is only 14.5m at best.

probably a figure from sony, i saw a figure the other day (and i promise ill try to find the link tomorrow) that showed just over 4 million unique users. the sony figure presented counted numerous instances from the same email / ip. everyone in their right mind knew that 10m figure was false. what are the chances that 95% of your users actually registered online when all analyst research shows that online attach rates are far lower for all systems.. nothing has an online attach of 95% tbh in terms of consoles, it's actually nothing close to that.

like i said, both sony and ms play the lying game with this stuff. the most accurate impression you'll get is logging into certain game lobbies on PSN for multiplats (say madden, or something popular) where you'll find the ratio is more in line with what the article i'm talking about claims.

i.e. certain games on PSN are on life support in terms of online, i.e. peak user counts of like 100-1000 max. that's like playing The Ship on Steam. if you don't know what that is I think that illustrates my point.

[QUOTE="vaderhater"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]

neither MS nor Sony's figures are reputable. this has been established numerous times in SW.

both MS and Sony changed inventory methodology, and what they report as sold, during their initial sales cycles. figures were never adjusted based on this change, hence all consoles sales figures for anything but nintendo are horribly flawed and anyone that tries to use them as ownage is equally flawed.

sorry, but it's a fact :) you'll never actually know the real 'sold' figures for either Sony or Microsoft. and honestly, you shouldn't care. and if you do - i dunno, good luck i guess arguing a hapless and hopeless cause ;)

so i guess this thread is done now, unless you guys want to argue about fictional stuff that doesn't matter - which I'm sure some of you do. so carry on.

3picuri3

absolutely agree, console sales figures are useless ammo, in the real world and SW. most people realize this an accept it. some don't. that's why we're here right now :) some people just don't get it. and some people don't realize how superficial the figures are, or realize that they're flimsy enough that they aren't even considered by investors and analysts (they have their own, more accurate figures from in-house research).

i honestly chuckle out loud whenever someone brings up Sony or MS sales in SW. and i'm not a sheep by any means.. i'm just a realist with a good head on his shoulders that researches and understands how these figures are created and what they mean :) not tooting my own horn at all, anyone can do it. just have to spend more than 10 minutes thinking about it and reading up on things.

I disagree. I loved how you used SE as an example to. Do you think SE would be giving as much support to 360 if they if M$ didn't have a strong hold in the USA? Just look at Japan. The game is still exclusive to PS3 in Japan. Don't bring up the Wii when concerning PS3 and 360 in games. Wii is in a whole different gaming archeatecture. Developing on Wii is like developing in PS2 or Gamecube. Did we see nearly as many PC games last generation? Hell no because PS2, Xbox and Gamecube were so much different from the PC. Now this generation Xbox and PS3 have much better hardware that can maintain with PC.

[QUOTE="Adonymous"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]Does anyone really doubt the PS3 will outsell the 360?3picuri3

most sane people, yes.

if you gauge sales againt MS in terms of people connected to the live service (PSN vs XBL). given the ratio, MS has drastically outsold Sony this gen... or you could be crazy and try to claim that PSN's free service just isn't as popular as MS pay-to-play service.

either way. go nuts.

360 is ahead of the game, Nintendo has finished the race, and the PS3, despite claiming to have 'sold' close the same number of consoles as the 360 has the most abysmal online attach rate in history based on PSN figures.

Or, you could be a realist and admit that sony and ms haven't sold as much as they claim (sony inflates more, fact) and move on.

your choice.

Doesn't PS3 have like 10m PSN subscribers? (I think I read it somewhere), which is pretty good considering the fanbase is only 14.5m at best.

probably a figure from sony, i saw a figure the other day (and i promise ill try to find the link tomorrow) that showed just over 4 million unique users. the sony figure presented counted numerous instances from the same email / ip. everyone in their right mind knew that 10m figure was false. what are the chances that 95% of your users actually registered online when all analyst research shows that online attach rates are far lower for all systems.. nothing has an online attach of 95% tbh in terms of consoles, it's actually nothing close to that.

like i said, both sony and ms play the lying game with this stuff. the most accurate impression you'll get is logging into certain game lobbies on PSN for multiplats (say madden, or something popular) where you'll find the ratio is more in line with what the article i'm talking about claims.

i.e. certain games on PSN are on life support in terms of online, i.e. peak user counts of like 100-1000 max. that's like playing The Ship on Steam. if you don't know what that is I think that illustrates my point.

10m PSN vs. 14.5m fanbase would equal around 70% attach rate, which is plausible. But i'd like to see your link.

I never had a problem finding people to play online with on the PS3 (sans UT3) so I don't know what you're talking about....but I'll give you that its nothing compared to live.

[QUOTE="Adonymous"]

Doesn't PS3 have like 10m PSN subscribers? (I think I read it somewhere), which is pretty good considering the fanbase is only 14.5m at best.

3picuri3

probably a figure from sony, i saw a figure the other day (and i promise ill try to find the link tomorrow) that showed just over 4 million unique users. the sony figure presented counted numerous instances from the same email / ip. everyone in their right mind knew that 10m figure was false. what are the chances that 95% of your users actually registered online when all analyst research shows that online attach rates are far lower for all systems.. nothing has an online attach of 95% tbh in terms of consoles, it's actually nothing close to that.

like i said, both sony and ms play the lying game with this stuff. the most accurate impression you'll get is logging into certain game lobbies on PSN for multiplats (say madden, or something popular) where you'll find the ratio is more in line with what the article i'm talking about claims.

i.e. certain games on PSN are on life support in terms of online, i.e. peak user counts of like 100-1000 max. that's like playing The Ship on Steam. if you don't know what that is I think that illustrates my point.

I would love for you to find that link.