So cows, I was recently playing GEOW2 and I don't see what you are talking about

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]I don't pay attention to what the smoke looks like when i'm running around shooting people...not stopping to unload my clip into a wall to see the smoke trails.Irick_cb

And i don't stop and stare at the textures.

The textures are noticeable though, when you're taking cover against a wall, you're gonna see the textures, they're in your face...smoke trails are little little bonus effects that no one is really gonna notice.AAllxxjjnn

i notice them.

A lot.

When i get blown to hell by the AI's grenade for trying to take cover against a wall.

Plus it is used in the lighting system, which achieves a similarly muggy feel about some of the levels that enhances the experience.

I do like how you discounted the lighting system.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]The textures are noticeable though, when you're taking cover against a wall, you're gonna see the textures, they're in your face...smoke trails are little little bonus effects that no one is really gonna notice.Irick_cb

i notice them.

A lot.

When i get blown to hell by the AI's grenade for trying to take cover against a wall.

Plus it is used in the lighting system, which achieves a similarly muggy feel about some of the levels that enhances the experience.

I do like how you discounted the lighting system.

for me killzone 2 beats out gears 2, but i think the guy who posted before about console exclusives not being counted, but console graphics are is absolutely right it just does not make sense.

while i have been impressed with many console graphics (uncharted, mgs4, kameo, gears...), it's basically fighting for scraps. people laugh when people bring up conduit because the wii isn't as powerful as ps3/360 and then talk about how amazing killzone 2 looks. there are lots of games on pc that look much better.

What does the lighting system have to do with smoke effects that blend right into the dull and grey back drops throughout the game? I'm just saying, if you're going to do a comparison vid, why are textures not in there...but silly smoke trail effects are?AAllxxjjnn

Smoke trail effects = GeOW

Volumetric Smoke and lighting = KZ2

And as i said in an earlier post: because the stated purpose of that video was to show how KZ2 has raised the bar over the old graphic's leader.

Arguing the subjective is hard anyway, but here it goes.

Volumetric smoke is used a lot on KZ2.

A lot.

You tend to notice it because your mind gets trained to the fact that it is important.

And it is pretty.

Oh so pretty.

The smoke in GeOW 2 really is dismal in comparison.

The lighting is directly relivent in the argument though and i assert KZ2 levied its lighting model more effectively (more impressive) then GeOW 2

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="Jono789"] It isnt meaningless it looks awesome....VitunLehmat

[QUOTE="VitunLehmat"][QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"] Bullet smoke and grenade smoke is awesome?GreyFoXX4

Perfect example.

One more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z64J3m-hvAU

[QUOTE="VitunLehmat"][QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"] Bullet smoke and grenade smoke is awesome?GreyFoXX4

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]What does the lighting system have to do with smoke effects that blend right into the dull and grey back drops throughout the game? I'm just saying, if you're going to do a comparison vid, why are textures not in there...but silly smoke trail effects are?Irick_cb

Smoke trail effects = GeOW

Volumetric Smoke and lighting = KZ2

And as i said in an earlier post: because the stated purpose of that video was to show how KZ2 has raised the bar over the old graphic's leader.

Arguing the subjective is hard anyway, but here it goes.

Volumetric smoke is used a lot on KZ2.

A lot.

You tend to notice it because your mind gets trained to the fact that it is important.

And it is pretty.

Oh so pretty.

The smoke in GeOW 2 really is dismal in comparison.

The lighting is directly relivent in the argument though and i assert KZ2 levied its lighting model more effectively (more impressive) then GeOW 2

What does the lighting system have to do with smoke effects that blend right into the dull and grey back drops throughout the game? I'm just saying, if you're going to do a comparison vid, why are textures not in there...but silly smoke trail effects are?AAllxxjjnn

Smoke trail effects = GeOW

Volumetric Smoke and lighting = KZ2

And as i said in an earlier post: because the stated purpose of that video was to show how KZ2 has raised the bar over the old graphic's leader.

Arguing the subjective is hard anyway, but here it goes.

Volumetric smoke is used a lot on KZ2.

A lot.

You tend to notice it because your mind gets trained to the fact that it is important.

And it is pretty.

Oh so pretty.

The smoke in GeOW 2 really is dismal in comparison.

The lighting is directly relivent in the argument though and i assert KZ2 levied its lighting model more effectively (more impressive) then GeOW 2

And i never said anything about GeoW2 having better lighting...so completely irrelevant to the argument. The argument was that their comparison focused on KZ2's strengths, more so than Gears 2's, and is a bias comparison. AAllxxjjnn

To be honest, 'the argument' is GeOW2 vs Killzone 2 visualy.

Discounting a widely ignored pice of evidence doesn't really seem helpful.

His link proved that one of the strenghs you discounted is used a lot with their artand gameplay mechanic.

and i've said countless times the video is showing the strenghs of Killzone 2 and only uses GeOW2 as a benchmark.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="Irick_cb"]

Smoke trail effects = GeOW

Volumetric Smoke and lighting = KZ2

And as i said in an earlier post: because the stated purpose of that video was to show how KZ2 has raised the bar over the old graphic's leader.

Arguing the subjective is hard anyway, but here it goes.

Volumetric smoke is used a lot on KZ2.

A lot.

You tend to notice it because your mind gets trained to the fact that it is important.

And it is pretty.

Oh so pretty.

The smoke in GeOW 2 really is dismal in comparison.

The lighting is directly relivent in the argument though and i assert KZ2 levied its lighting model more effectively (more impressive) then GeOW 2

GreyFoXX4

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]And i never said anything about GeoW2 having better lighting...so completely irrelevant to the argument. The argument was that their comparison focused on KZ2's strengths, more so than Gears 2's, and is a bias comparison. Irick_cb

To be honest, 'the argument' is GeOW2 vs Killzone 2 visualy.

Discounting a widely ignored pice of evidence doesn't really seem helpful.

His link proved that one of the strenghs you discounted is used a lot with their artand gameplay mechanic.

and i've said countless times the video is showing the strenghs of Killzone 2 and only uses GeOW2 as a benchmark.

No, the argument was that the vid was terrible at doing what it was suppose to. Where did it prove that grenade smoke and bullet effects matter?AAllxxjjnn

I think around the point he starts blowing people the hell away with the grenade launcher to absolutely amazing visual effect.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]No, the argument was that the vid was terrible at doing what it was suppose to. Where did it prove that grenade smoke and bullet effects matter?Irick_cb

I think around the point he starts blowing people the hell away with the grenade launcher to absolutely amazing visual effect.

That was amazing?AAllxxjjnn

I'm sorry, the "!" combination is shift+1

I know, i get it confused sometimes too.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]That was amazing?Irick_cb

I'm sorry, the "!" combination is shift+1

I know, i get it confused sometimes too.

Nah, that was not a typo. How do you confuse those two though?AAllxxjjnn

You don't sleep.

Ever.

ps3 exclusives look better, but not so much better then 360 exclusives

[QUOTE="VitunLehmat"][QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"] Bullet smoke and grenade smoke is awesome?GreyFoXX4

lol resident evil 5 smoke effects still look better and you think you can fool me with a youtube video? i play Killzone 2 multiplayer everyday to know how exactly it looks and the smoke effects aren't anything to brag about,i'm you can't tell me anything since your opinion isn't a fact.VitunLehmat

I DON'T BELIVE YOU!

[QUOTE="VitunLehmat"]lol resident evil 5 smoke effects still look better and you think you can fool me with a youtube video? i play Killzone 2 multiplayer everyday to know how exactly it looks and the smoke effects aren't anything to brag about,i'm you can't tell me anything since your opinion isn't a fact.Irick_cb

I DON'T BELIVE YOU!

I can honestly say it has the most overrated visuals I've seen this gen.Chutebox

[QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"][QUOTE="VitunLehmat"] Yes smoke effects that disappear in 1 second,they should see the smoke effects in Resident Evil 5 those are amazing.VitunLehmat

[QUOTE="Irick_cb"]

[QUOTE="VitunLehmat"]lol resident evil 5 smoke effects still look better and you think you can fool me with a youtube video? i play Killzone 2 multiplayer everyday to know how exactly it looks and the smoke effects aren't anything to brag about,i'm you can't tell me anything since your opinion isn't a fact.Chutebox

I DON'T BELIVE YOU!

[QUOTE="VitunLehmat"]lol resident evil 5 smoke effects still look better and you think you can fool me with a youtube video? i play Killzone 2 multiplayer everyday to know how exactly it looks and the smoke effects aren't anything to brag about,i'm you can't tell me anything since your opinion isn't a fact.Irick_cb

I DON'T BELIVE YOU!

He's not new here, I'm guessing his PSN is something to do with venture or something like that! And now that I've finally got a chance to play RE5, I can honestly say it has the most overrated visuals I've seen this gen.Chutebox

I'm not basing it on his rank, i'm basing it on the "Every day" claim.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]I can honestly say it has the most overrated visuals I've seen this gen.IronBass

[QUOTE="Irick_cb"]

[QUOTE="VitunLehmat"]lol resident evil 5 smoke effects still look better and you think you can fool me with a youtube video? i play Killzone 2 multiplayer everyday to know how exactly it looks and the smoke effects aren't anything to brag about,i'm you can't tell me anything since your opinion isn't a fact.Chutebox

I DON'T BELIVE YOU!

Chris' jersey ad Sheva's ass look good...but that's about it...the environments are flat and boring.AAllxxjjnn

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Irick_cb"]

I DON'T BELIVE YOU!

AAllxxjjnn

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Chris' jersey ad Sheva's ass look good...but that's about it...the environments are flat and boring.IronBass

Everything but the models look average to me.Chutebox

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Chris' jersey ad Sheva's ass look good...but that's about it...the environments are flat and boring.IronBass

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Everything but the models look average to me.IronBass

I don't think so at all. For all the complaints MGS4 got for bad textures here and there, how in God's name hasn't RE5 been talked about?Chutebox

I don't think so at all. For all the complaints MGS4 got for bad textures here and there, how in God's name hasn't RE5 been talked about?Chutebox

Judgeing by my small amount of time observing here, i'd say because it is a multiplat.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]I don't think so at all. For all the complaints MGS4 got for bad textures here and there, how in God's name hasn't RE5 been talked about?IronBass

Opinions are opinions, but the fact remains the most widely considered console graphics king on consoles this gen is Killzone 2 - and for good reason too.

Also it would be nice if these types of threads and arguments were started by people that actually played both games enough to compare the two. Watching nothing but videos on youtube is not enough imo.

I own a ps3 and 360 and to be 100% honest, there are 4 cosnole graphics king atm at least for me (Killzone2, Gears2, MGS4 and Kameo). I find all those games to be on the same level graphically, all very beautiful.

kozzy1234

[QUOTE="Camer999"]

@ Irick

Read the rest of the thread I'll admit I haven't and the videos are close enough (i am not comparing GEOW from my T.V to KZ2 on online video I am comparing both here, but yes I played GEOW 2 recently) Also, organic subtances are harder for an engine to render. Just look around in GEOW2 and you just see more detail, looks like mirrors edge to me with stuff going on some times, well going to bed, I'll argue the next-day, PEACE.

Irick_cb

You keep saying things like harder to render.

I'm saying it looks better.

I love Epic, i'm not going to insult their engine.

I have no doubt if Epic designed an engine exclusively for the PS3 with no need for compadibility with other consoles, it would be....

there are no words to describe how epic that would be.

I won't say Killzone 2 is lightyears ahead of GeOW game engine technology wise, only that the Cell allows insane things which make the game look better.

What I am saying is that, if the game did not have to render it, it could use it on straight up graphics like KZ2. If Epic made an engine for the 360 only, I am sure it would look good too (UE3 is multiplat and cannot use all of the features of Xenos) While GG plays the PS3s strengths and works around the weaknesses.

KZ2 is technically superior to anthing on console right now plain and simple and don't hide behind the the opinion argument cause you know that a cop out. from animation, to lighting, to physics, and just overall detail KZ2 simply has the best of everything who knows what the future hold but right now KZ2 current console graphics king

Ragashahs

What I am saying is that, if the game did not have to render it, it could use it on straight up graphics like KZ2. If Epic made an engine for the 360 only, I am sure it would look good too (UE3 is multiplat and cannot use all of the features of Xenos) While GG plays the PS3s strengths and works around the weaknesses.

Camer999

I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at.

But i still like KZ2's visuals better then GeOW 2.

Opinions are opinions, but the fact remains the most widely considered console graphics king on consoles this gen is Killzone 2 - and for good reason too.

Also it would be nice if these types of threads and arguments were started by people that actually played both games enough to compare the two. Watching nothing but videos on youtube is not enough imo.

The devs used too many tricks it's all based on opinion my friend.TR800

There is not one game in the current generation that does not use tricks.

Every game is rasterized and is thusly a blatent lie.

[QUOTE="KratosTwin"]

Opinions are opinions, but the fact remains the most widely considered console graphics king on consoles this gen is Killzone 2 - and for good reason too.

Also it would be nice if these types of threads and arguments were started by people that actually played both games enough to compare the two. Watching nothing but videos on youtube is not enough imo.

TR800

Agreed. And that's what I said, "Opinions". But I'm pretty sure if we were to have a Poll for console graphics king KZ2 would be the likely victor. Not just on Gamespot's forums but most gamers in general.

My main point is these threads started by people that have only truly played one of the games in question and how trying to win arguments by citing youtube videos and other sites technical mumbo jumbo is not enough. Play both equally and then form an argument.

[QUOTE="Camer999"]

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]never said KZ2 had the best physics period said it has some of the best with a few others haveing better physics. btw your useing a tech demo of Unreal engine to prove your point? tech demo are exactly what they are the show off tech doens't always mean they make it into. also fgdfgdfgd?!?! seriously you couln't think of a better fake account name? plain a simple the majority of gamers and critices agree killzone 2 is the best looking console game to date if your delusional enough to believe other wise thats your fault

Ragashahs

GEOW2 has the soft body physics and the better water effects in-game also limited destroction, so what now?

LOL, 2in yea right also in gears the games has to calculate the body blowing up, not just some "death animation", oh and Halo 3's lighting is just as good as Killzone's.

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]

[QUOTE="Camer999"]

GEOW2 has the soft body physics and the better water effects in-game also limited destroction, so what now?

Camer999

LOL, 2in yea right also in gears the games has to calculate the body blowing up, not just some "death animation", oh and Halo 3's lighting is just as good as Killzone's.

Didn't you pretty much admit somewhere along this thread that you haven't played Killzone 2?