So cows, I was recently playing GEOW2 and I don't see what you are talking about

I've played them both, and while GeoW2 looks great, it is no where near Killzone 2. It's not about individual textures or anything, it's about the image as a whole and Killzone 2 is downright beautiful.

[QUOTE="Camer999"]

What I am saying is that, if the game did not have to render it, it could use it on straight up graphics like KZ2. If Epic made an engine for the 360 only, I am sure it would look good too (UE3 is multiplat and cannot use all of the features of Xenos) While GG plays the PS3s strengths and works around the weaknesses.

Irick_cb

I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at.

But i still like KZ2's visuals better then GeOW 2.

I said lets say that brumack wasn't there and shooting? The polygons and textures could have been even better if not sharing with the brumack, but Gears has some of those large vessels (multiple) on screen at once and some Brumacks at the same time+ explosions. Also, if the 360 had a engine made just for it I am sure it would look amazing as well, you said if epic made an engine for the PS3, it would look amazing...

LOL, 2in yea right also in gears the games has to calculate the body blowing up, not just some "death animation", oh and Halo 3's lighting is just as good as Killzone's.

Camer999

I demand a duel to the death.

En garde!

[QUOTE="Camer999"]

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]you mean those laughable physics when bodies pile and then something goes boom near it and sends them up in teh air 2 inches? Killzone 2's death animation are superb, also KZ2 also as some destruction which is superior than gears 2 along with amazing particle effect and the some of the best lighting i've seen even by PC standards

KratosTwin

LOL, 2in yea right also in gears the games has to calculate the body blowing up, not just some "death animation", oh and Halo 3's lighting is just as good as Killzone's.

Didn't you pretty much admit somewhere along this thread that you haven't played Killzone 2?

Yes, but what has that got to do with anything.. IF I can judge both fairly on line, I am not comparing what I see on GEOW 2 on my T.V to KZ2 on the computer..

[QUOTE="KratosTwin"]

[QUOTE="Camer999"]

LOL, 2in yea right also in gears the games has to calculate the body blowing up, not just some "death animation", oh and Halo 3's lighting is just as good as Killzone's.

Camer999

Thanks for answering. You're entitled to your own methods of judging visuals I guess.

Personally I feel the only true way to judge and analyze is by actually playing both games in depth.

Didn't you pretty much admit somewhere along this thread that you haven't played Killzone 2?

Yes, but what has that got to do with anything.. IF I can judge both fairly on line, I am not comparing what I see on GEOW 2 on my T.V to KZ2 on the computer..

I said lets say that brumack wasn't there and shooting? The polygons and textures could have been even better if not sharing with the brumack, but Gears has some of those large vessels (multiple) on screen at once and some Brumacks at the same time+ explosions. Also, if the 360 had a engine made just for it I am sure it would look amazing as well, you said if epic made an engine for the PS3, it would look amazing...

Camer999

The engine used in GeOW 2 is exclusive to the 360. It is a drasticly Improved version of the UT3 engine.

Are we debating engines or games, because i'd really rather not debate engines.

There is no good way to compare them if they are't both on PC IMO.

[QUOTE="KratosTwin"]

[QUOTE="Camer999"]

LOL, 2in yea right also in gears the games has to calculate the body blowing up, not just some "death animation", oh and Halo 3's lighting is just as good as Killzone's.

Camer999

Didn't you pretty much admit somewhere along this thread that you haven't played Killzone 2?

Yes, but what has that got to do with anything.. IF I can judge both fairly on line, I am not comparing what I see on GEOW 2 on my T.V to KZ2 on the computer..

Thanks for answering. You're entitled to your own methods of judging visuals I guess.

Personally I feel the only true way to judge and analyze is by actually playing both games in depth.

Also read this

www.ps3thevolution.com/2009/03/09/killzone-2-smoke-and-mirrors-from-a-cgi-artist/

[QUOTE="Camer999"]

I said lets say that brumack wasn't there and shooting? The polygons and textures could have been even better if not sharing with the brumack, but Gears has some of those large vessels (multiple) on screen at once and some Brumacks at the same time+ explosions. Also, if the 360 had a engine made just for it I am sure it would look amazing as well, you said if epic made an engine for the PS3, it would look amazing...

Irick_cb

The engine used in GeOW 2 is exclusive to the 360. It is a drasticly Improved version of the UT3 engine.

Are we debating engines or games, because i'd really rather not debate engines.

There is no good way to compare them if they are't both on PC IMO.

It is not custom made for the 360, it is indeed a multiplat engine..

It is not custom made for the 360, it is indeed a multiplat engine..

Camer999

Epic put a lot more work into the 360 version of their engines then any other as their current flagship (GeOW) is 360 exclusive.

But whatever.

My point remains that if KZ2 looks better then GeOW 2 then it looks better.

*edit*

Also, congradulations on starting a topic that broke 9 pages. Better then i've done :P

[QUOTE="Camer999"]

It is not custom made for the 360, it is indeed a multiplat engine..

Irick_cb

Epic put a lot more work into the 360 version of their engines then any other as their current flagship (GeOW) is 360 exclusive.

But whatever.

My point remains that if KZ2 looks better then GeOW 2 then it looks better.

to you? Anyway my main point is getting lost, I am not saying GEOW 2 is better by a mile, I am saying that cows blow it out of proportion, I am saying that if one is better it is marginal and they could possibly be a tie, which system wars does not allow. Either way the engine does not play to the consoles strengths that well.

I saw a Lensoftruth KZ2 vs GEOW2 comparison and the difference in graphics was bigger than I expected.

to you? Anyway my main point is getting lost, I am not saying GEOW 2 is better by a mile, I am saying that cows blow it out of proportion, I am saying that if one is better it is marginal and they could possibly be a tie, which system wars does not allow. Either way the engine does not play to the consoles strengths that well.

Camer999

Then show me another engine.

[QUOTE="Camer999"]

to you? Anyway my main point is getting lost, I am not saying GEOW 2 is better by a mile, I am saying that cows blow it out of proportion, I am saying that if one is better it is marginal and they could possibly be a tie, which system wars does not allow. Either way the engine does not play to the consoles strengths that well.

Irick_cb

Then show me another engine.

We have no other one until Alan wake...

I saw a Lensoftruth KZ2 vs GEOW2 comparison and the difference in graphics was bigger than I expected.

Filthybastrd

It only compare lighting and particle effects, I hardly call that the whole story.

We have no other one until Alan wake...

Camer999

Then until Alan wake, upon the releace of i will re-evaluate my stance, KZ2 looks better then the 360's offerings.

[QUOTE="Camer999"]

We have no other one until Alan wake...

Irick_cb

Then until Alan wake, upon the releace of i will re-evaluate my stance, KZ2 looks better then the 360's offerings.

You will probably have to take into account the 36 square miles that is alan wake.

Edit: Ok, fine you think it looks better, that is what you think and I can't change that but it can't be more than marginal.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Ragashahs"]

KZ2 is technically superior to anthing on console right now plain and simple and don't hide behind the the opinion argument cause you know that a cop out. from animation, to lighting, to physics, and just overall detail KZ2 simply has the best of everything who knows what the future hold but right now KZ2 current console graphics king

You will probably have to take into account the 36 square miles that is alan wake.

Camer999

Please don't make excuses for it yet. It is not out.

[QUOTE="Camer999"]

You will probably have to take into account the 36 square miles that is alan wake.

Irick_cb

Please don't make excuses for it yet. It is not out.

I am not making excuses, I think even with a map that large it is straight up graphics. king, but you might not and this is me trying to convince you, lol.

[QUOTE="Irick_cb"]

[QUOTE="Camer999"]

You will probably have to take into account the 36 square miles that is alan wake.

Please don't make excuses for it yet. It is not out.

I am not making excuses, I think even with a map that large it is straight up graphics. king, but you might not and this is me trying to convince you, lol.

I am not making excuses, I think even with a map that large it is straight up graphics. king, but you might not and this is me trying to convince you, lol.

Camer999

I really don't see how map size ties in.

I mean, the PS3 has the most potential for map sizes of the two consoles given the memory storage and the refinment of predictive cacheing technology.

But i don't see how map size maters in the terms of how it looks.

[QUOTE="Camer999"]

I am not making excuses, I think even with a map that large it is straight up graphics. king, but you might not and this is me trying to convince you, lol.

Irick_cb

I really don't see how map size ties in.

I mean, the PS3 has the most potential for map sizes of the two consoles given the memory storage and the refinment of predictive cacheing technology.

But i don't see how map size maters in the terms of how it looks.

So, how is the 2 terabytes of processing power treating you? Numbers=/=potential and sometimes potential IS impossible to bring out, so it becomes void.

[QUOTE="Irick_cb"]

[QUOTE="Camer999"]

I am not making excuses, I think even with a map that large it is straight up graphics. king, but you might not and this is me trying to convince you, lol.

I really don't see how map size ties in.

I mean, the PS3 has the most potential for map sizes of the two consoles given the memory storage and the refinment of predictive cacheing technology.

But i don't see how map size maters in the terms of how it looks.

So, how is the 2 terabytes of processing power treating you? Numbers=/=potential and sometimes potential IS impossible to bring out, so it becomes void.

gears has better textures aa higher res.. but kz2 is styled better..daveg1

Hmm no look at the ground

please dont get him started ive had enough of links from wiki and sony pr crap to last me a life time..daveg1

He already got me started.

Where have you been the past 12 pages?

[QUOTE="daveg1"]gears has better textures aa higher res.. but kz2 is styled better..Jono789

Hmm no look at the ground

[QUOTE="daveg1"]please dont get him started ive had enough of links from wiki and sony pr crap to last me a life time..Irick_cb

He already got me started.

Where have you been the past 12 pages?

[QUOTE="daveg1"]gears has better textures aa higher res.. but kz2 is styled better..Jono789

Hmm no look at the ground

You picked one good instance for KZ2 and one Bad one for GEOW2, wanna cookie?

lol ive played both games and yes now and then the ground looks nice shame everything else is flat as a pan cake..do you have these saved on your pc or do you actualy trawl the net to post them??daveg1

Really?

This is news to me.

Care to site examples of flat as a pancake?

gears has better textures aa higher res.. but kz2 is styled better..daveg1

Hmm no look at the ground

You picked one good instance for KZ2 and one Bad one for GEOW2, wanna cookie?

Camer999

What the hell man, i want a cookie!

also he has encroached upon one of your staples with rather hard and damning evidence.

I would not have been able to link this as he obviously is much more of a master of Google then i.

However i do expect you treat these findings seriously if we are still discussing from a rational stand point.

[QUOTE="Jono789"]

gears has better textures aa higher res.. but kz2 is styled better..daveg1

Hmm no look at the ground

You picked one good instance for KZ2 and one Bad one for GEOW2, wanna cookie?

[QUOTE="Camer999"]

[QUOTE="Jono789"]

Hmm no look at the ground

Jono789

You picked one good instance for KZ2 and one Bad one for GEOW2, wanna cookie?

Are you serious? I have games to play to that is a major waste of my time. You know how many threads there is, if you did that then, lol. I will see some though.

.... yes please but better yet YOU could go and look at every damn graphics comparison on the internet and its gonna be the same story everywhere!Jono789

And thus, the TPS once again pales in terms of texture to the FPS.

All is well with the world.

The TPS can still look good without as detailed graphics and i'm still running this from a literaly "what looks good" standpoint.

I said from the get go that we should not dwell on textures and i stand by that statment.

[QUOTE="Jono789"][QUOTE="Camer999"]

You picked one good instance for KZ2 and one Bad one for GEOW2, wanna cookie?

Are you serious? I have games to play to that is a major waste of my time. You know how many threads there is, if you did that then, lol. I will see some though.

[QUOTE="daveg1"]lol ive played both games and yes now and then the ground looks nice shame everything else is flat as a pan cake..do you have these saved on your pc or do you actualy trawl the net to post them??Irick_cb

Really?

This is news to me.

Care to site examples of flat as a pancake?

Also: Http://forum.pcvsconsole.com/viewthread.php?tid=24063

How many time was this discussed?

GeoW2 vs KZ2 for the 1000. time, it's really getting boring.

[QUOTE="Camer999"]

[QUOTE="Jono789"] .... yes please but better yet YOU could go and look at every damn graphics comparison on the internet and its gonna be the same story everywhere!Jono789

Are you serious? I have games to play to that is a major waste of my time. You know how many threads there is, if you did that then, lol. I will see some though.

Lets see reading EVERY SINGLE COMPARISON THREAD vs. make one...

why dont you go play it for your self and try not to just see the good..daveg1

That would require me to stop enjoying the game and stare at random objects until i found one deemed insignificant by the devs.

I'm not useing textures in my argument but i haven't seen a single part of KZ2 that looked flat.

[QUOTE="daveg1"]why dont you go play it for your self and try not to just see the good..Irick_cb

That would require me to stop enjoying the game and stare at random objects until i found one deemed insignificant by the devs.

I'm not useing textures in my argument but i haven't seen a single part of KZ2 that looked flat.

Something about KZ2 doesn't stand out to me though I get why he is saying "flat" though almost like my "sterile"

[QUOTE="Jono789"][QUOTE="Camer999"]

Are you serious? I have games to play to that is a major waste of my time. You know how many threads there is, if you did that then, lol. I will see some though.

Lets see reading EVERY SINGLE COMPARISON THREAD vs. make one...

[QUOTE="daveg1"]why dont you go play it for your self and try not to just see the good..Irick_cb

That would require me to stop enjoying the game and stare at random objects until i found one deemed insignificant by the devs.

I'm not useing textures in my argument but i haven't seen a single part of KZ2 that looked flat.

nah i still beleive KZ2 is the king of console graphics..

KZ>>>>Uncharted>Gears2=MGS4=RE5. IMO.

Something about KZ2 doesn't stand out to me though I get why he is saying "flat" though almost like my "sterile"

Camer999

Usually when we say 'Flat' we mean a barely textured/bumpmapped/low polygon model.

I am sure they are in KZ2 somewhere but it doesn't affect the visuals of the game in gameplay and, IMO, neither do the texture shortcomings on GeOW 2.

Which is why i've said i belive we should leave textures out of it.

i dont know what you've been looking at then or maybe you should stop being pro ps3..

daveg1

I respect your opinion but decline your suggestion.

[QUOTE="daveg1"]

i dont know what you've been looking at then or maybe you should stop being pro ps3..

I respect your opinion but decline your suggestion.

ve never tryed to brainwash a fanboy in all my life i wasnt strating here either i was just suggesting you shouldnt think eveything is great casue its your console of choice..daveg1

My "console of choice" is PC and Mac.

Killzone 2 looks great.

I really didn't think people could argue against it.

I'm here showing my respect for the game.

I also love Epic and would really like to avoid insulting their engine.

So i have mostly restrained myself to visual comparisons rather then ranting about how horrible GeOW is/looks/tastes.

Because i don't think that at all.