So GT5 is selling faster than halo 3

[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]

[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]1. 1.5 million in one month in Europe is in all likelihood shipped numbers from Sony or the developers. It's not as if it sold bad, but if it did that good in Europe, I'm sure it would have done unusally well in its biggest market, the UK. Got any links to back up? :)

2. Once again... Shipped == Sold. GT5 sold 400k in November, and 560K in December.

400k + 560k = 960,000.

GT5 sold less than a million in the U.S. in 2010, if you think it sold 5.37 in the other regions, you are free to back the claim up with some links of companies that report sold-through sales. :)

sanim02

Shipped is as good as sold, WHAt retailer orders more copies of items thats collecting dust on the shelf? GT games have long long legs. Deny it all you want

Is he trying to troll me or make me run around in circles...:? Cuz he completely skimmed through my post and that's not the first time either.:?

Here's the link that I already posted breh, I'm done arguing with someone who seems to know how sold-through approximations are MUCH more accurate than shipped number.:lol:

I was being nice man but now your just teasing me.:(

I like it how you are admitting defeat by pretending to play weak and as if you do not care.

You stated GT5 sold more than a million in the U.S., stupidly using shipped numbers.

You were proven wrong.

Then you gave an unlegit link, saying GT5 had shipped 1.5 million in Europe. In other words, providing us with completely irrelevant information. :?

[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]

[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]

like i said. You dont understahd the concept of shipped or Sold. Its the same. If a retailer has thousands of copies of GT5, then please tell me why would they keep ordering if they were not selling? hmm? I dont see youy caliing out Microsoft when they said they had shipped 50.8 million 360's to date. (they count shipped as sold.) Keep on looking for WW sold through data and let me know when you find it.

Blaze-Agent

Still don't have that information that shows how much GT5 sold-through outside of the U.S.?

Keep searching, man. I'll wait.

i'm not gonna go look it up if you really wanna know. do your own research and find out

Wow, I didn't expect a Sony fanboy to give up that quickly.

Well nevermind, I'll be here if you happen to find interest in ever finding those links in the future. Just don't wait too long, you'll be suspended for bumping old threads.

If only this game was on PC .... lolsoles are truly awful. That said, I love it on PS3 - even if the aliasing and terrible resolution hurt the experience. Great racing game. Halo is NOT a great FPS... it is generic trash that only works on console. GT5 >> Halo anythingebluefie

Just a way of saying you're mad that the Halo franchise is AAA, and your favourite FPS series is not. :( Well buddy, things may change in the future.

[QUOTE="ebluefie"]If only this game was on PC .... lolsoles are truly awful. That said, I love it on PS3 - even if the aliasing and terrible resolution hurt the experience. Great racing game. Halo is NOT a great FPS... it is generic trash that only works on console. GT5 >> Halo anythingSHR3DD3D

Just a way of saying you're mad that the Halo franchise is AAA, and your favourite FPS series is not. :( Well buddy, things may change in the future.

[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]

[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]

Still don't have that information that shows how much GT5 sold-through outside of the U.S.?

Keep searching, man. I'll wait.

SHR3DD3D

i'm not gonna go look it up if you really wanna know. do your own research and find out

Wow, I didn't expect a Sony fanboy to give up that quickly.

Well nevermind, I'll be here if you happen to find interest in ever finding those links in the future. Just don't wait too long, you'll be suspended for bumping old threads.

calling me a sony fanboy. yes i prefer their games but i'm neither blind nor loyal to them.

[QUOTE="sanim02"]

[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]

Shipped is as good as sold, WHAt retailer orders more copies of items thats collecting dust on the shelf? GT games have long long legs. Deny it all you want

SHR3DD3D

Is he trying to troll me or make me run around in circles...:? Cuz he completely skimmed through my post and that's not the first time either.:?

Here's the link that I already posted breh, I'm done arguing with someone who seems to know how sold-through approximations are MUCH more accurate than shipped number.:lol:

I was being nice man but now your just teasing me.:(

I like it how you are admitting defeat by pretending to play weak and as if you do not care.

You stated GT5 sold more than a million in the U.S., stupidly using shipped numbers.

You were proven wrong.

Then you gave an unlegit link, saying GT5 had shipped 1.5 million in Europe. In other words, providing us with completely irrelevant information. :?

the 960k came from december NPD. So you mean to tell that From January 1st to february 22, GT5 cannot move 40k extra units? while citing to you that the game has major longetivity. You can choose to be deluded.

[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]

[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]

i'm not gonna go look it up if you really wanna know. do your own research and find out

Blaze-Agent

Wow, I didn't expect a Sony fanboy to give up that quickly.

Well nevermind, I'll be here if you happen to find interest in ever finding those links in the future. Just don't wait too long, you'll be suspended for bumping old threads.

calling me a sony fanboy. yes i prefer their games but i'm neither blind nor loyal to them.

[QUOTE="themyth01"]

[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]

Bigboss Ak47, PNF, Myth, thats just a few off the top of my head

Blaze-Agent

link to back up your horrid claims? Because they sold 3.29 million in first month in US. Sold 315k in october 2010NPD's,It did not chart in November (out of top 10, sold less than 300k in november.. Did not chart al all in December (although December #10 spot was need for speed. SAfe to say it sold less than 400k in dec). HAs about 800k Sales to date in UK. Its strongest Euro MArket. Flopped everywhere else.

WHere are you getting your 8 million from exactly? because you have no links. ( i gots links)

http://www.gameplanet.co.nz/news/135920.20101021.Halo-Reach-tops-US-sales-charts/

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=413244

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=415414

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=418652

I get the feeling you don't much like Halo outselling GT :P First, you If you just add the numbers,3.3 + .315 + 0.3 + 0.55 + 1. + x(this includes all regions outside US and UK) = 5.47 + x. Or you could just go to vgchartz for x.

Now then, let's provide the LINKS for GT5:

A whooping total of 400K in NA in its first month: LINK

It didn't even chart after that but the number was released, which brings it to a total of about 960k for NA.

So when we're comparing sales-through, you have NO links, yet you ask for them.

If we're comparing sales - can you prove GT5 sold more??

[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]

[QUOTE="ebluefie"]If only this game was on PC .... lolsoles are truly awful. That said, I love it on PS3 - even if the aliasing and terrible resolution hurt the experience. Great racing game. Halo is NOT a great FPS... it is generic trash that only works on console. GT5 >> Halo anythingebluefie

Just a way of saying you're mad that the Halo franchise is AAA, and your favourite FPS series is not. :( Well buddy, things may change in the future.

Too bad Halo completely and utterly stole the attention from every FPS developer when it launched in 2001. The PC genre was nearly abandoned. :? Just a year ago, it had been the primarily system for FPS games, with no other coming close.

Halo was just so good, it changed every developer's mind.

But yeah, those facts have nothing to do with your opinion.

[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]

[QUOTE="themyth01"] Reach has sold nearly 8 million copies... so Reach is still outselling GT5 shipped figures. I don't say what's going to happen because I can't predict the future, but I will say that without NA GT5 has very little chance of ever selling the amount of Halo 3 or Halo Reach.

themyth01

link to back up your horrid claims? Because they sold 3.29 million in first month in US. Sold 315k in october 2010NPD's,It did not chart in November (out of top 10, sold less than 300k in november.. Did not chart al all in December (although December #10 spot was need for speed. SAfe to say it sold less than 400k in dec). HAs about 800k Sales to date in UK. Its strongest Euro MArket. Flopped everywhere else.

WHere are you getting your 8 million from exactly? because you have no links. ( i gots links)

http://www.gameplanet.co.nz/news/135920.20101021.Halo-Reach-tops-US-sales-charts/

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=413244

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=415414

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=418652

I get the feeling you don't much like Halo outselling GT :P First, you If you just add the numbers,3.3 + .315 + 0.3 + 0.55 + 1. + x(this includes all regions outside US and UK) = 5.47 + x. Or you could just go to vgchartz for x.

Now then, let's provide the LINKS for GT5:

A whooping total of 400K in NA in its first month: LINK

It didn't even chart after that but the number was released, which brings it to a total of about 900k for NA.

So when we're comparing sales-through, you have NO links, yet you ask for them.

If we're comparing sales - can you prove GT5 sold more??

But he's only going to give you shipped numbers. :?

Which is nothing wrong, but just shouldn't be compared to sold-through numbers, provided by NPD, Media Crate and Chart-Track.

[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]

[QUOTE="sanim02"]

Is he trying to troll me or make me run around in circles...:? Cuz he completely skimmed through my post and that's not the first time either.:?

Here's the link that I already posted breh, I'm done arguing with someone who seems to know how sold-through approximations are MUCH more accurate than shipped number.:lol:

I was being nice man but now your just teasing me.:(

Blaze-Agent

I like it how you are admitting defeat by pretending to play weak and as if you do not care.

You stated GT5 sold more than a million in the U.S., stupidly using shipped numbers.

You were proven wrong.

Then you gave an unlegit link, saying GT5 had shipped 1.5 million in Europe. In other words, providing us with completely irrelevant information. :?

the 960k came from december NPD. So you mean to tell that From January 1st to february 22, GT5 cannot move 40k extra units? while citing to you that the game has major longetivity. You can choose to be deluded.

The 960k figure is from both November and December.

Then, the shipped numbers you provided us with are as of 2010, Dec.

You can choose to be deluded.

Blaze-Agent

You gotta walk the walk!8) I'm done with this thread, he just doesn't wanna listen.:P

[QUOTE="ebluefie"][QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]

Just a way of saying you're mad that the Halo franchise is AAA, and your favourite FPS series is not. :( Well buddy, things may change in the future.

SHR3DD3D

Too bad Halo completely and utterly stole the attention from every FPS developer when it launched in 2001. The PC genre was nearly abandoned. :? Just a year ago, it had been the primarily system for FPS games, with no other coming close.

Halo was just so good, it changed every developer's mind.

But yeah, those facts have nothing to do with your opinion.

[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]

[QUOTE="sanim02"]

Is he trying to troll me or make me run around in circles...:? Cuz he completely skimmed through my post and that's not the first time either.:?

Here's the link that I already posted breh, I'm done arguing with someone who seems to know how sold-through approximations are MUCH more accurate than shipped number.:lol:

I was being nice man but now your just teasing me.:(

sanim02

I like it how you are admitting defeat by pretending to play weak and as if you do not care.

You stated GT5 sold more than a million in the U.S., stupidly using shipped numbers.

You were proven wrong.

Then you gave an unlegit link, saying GT5 had shipped 1.5 million in Europe. In other words, providing us with completely irrelevant information. :?

Woah woah hold up there tiger, why being so rough?:o Like I said, if one wants to believe shipped numbers = nothing, be my guest and try to build a business with that mentality.;) Like Shinra, I won't bother with the likes of you because frankly:

1. You skimmed through half of my post.:(

2. The part where I said "Mere speculation, but your more than welcome to do the research if you want" was completely avoided and not only that, you accused me of providing useless links yet you don't provide any links of your own when people ask you to or tell you to do it on your own.:lol:

3. When someone tells you nicely that if you want that information which I'm "speculating, def: 1. Form a theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence.", well you aren't really in a strong position to tell that person that they are wrong.:lol:

4. I said I won't bother but dude, why being so rough?:( Not only are you acting like a very angry anti-GT/PS3 person but your pretty the only one who is running around in circles in here.:? Is it because your upset over something as small as video game sales?:? I know it's a little hard to believe the logic of shipped vs. sold-through but hey, one day once you take a course of Accounting or Business Law, maybe those things will eventually sink in.:)

5. I didn't admit defeat but sometimes it's better off to walk the walk instead of arguing with someone who half listens to you, kind of like a student who ... well doesn't want to pass his courses.:P

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Alas.

Don't change subject.

Like noted, you're free to provide us with legit information that show how spectacularly well GT5 has sold outside of the U.S., without using shipped numbers.

It's already been shown that, while it sold well in the U.S., did nothing that would impress most people.

[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]

[QUOTE="themyth01"] Reach has sold nearly 8 million copies... so Reach is still outselling GT5 shipped figures. I don't say what's going to happen because I can't predict the future, but I will say that without NA GT5 has very little chance of ever selling the amount of Halo 3 or Halo Reach.

themyth01

link to back up your horrid claims? Because they sold 3.29 million in first month in US. Sold 315k in october 2010NPD's,It did not chart in November (out of top 10, sold less than 300k in november.. Did not chart al all in December (although December #10 spot was need for speed. SAfe to say it sold less than 400k in dec). HAs about 800k Sales to date in UK. Its strongest Euro MArket. Flopped everywhere else.

WHere are you getting your 8 million from exactly? because you have no links. ( i gots links)

http://www.gameplanet.co.nz/news/135920.20101021.Halo-Reach-tops-US-sales-charts/

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=413244

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=415414

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=418652

I get the feeling you don't much like Halo outselling GT :P First, you If you just add the numbers,3.3 + .315 + 0.3 + 0.55 + 1. + x(this includes all regions outside US and UK) = 5.47 + x. Or you could just go to vgchartz for x.

Now then, let's provide the LINKS for GT5:

A whooping total of 400K in NA in its first month: LINK

It didn't even chart after that but the number was released, which brings it to a total of about 960k for NA.

So when we're comparing sales-through, you have NO links, yet you ask for them.

If we're comparing sales - can you prove GT5 sold more??

you are using VGchartz? Even you know better than that. All i know is that GT5 is in top 10of every PAl weekly data since it was released and its still there 3 months later. The same cant be said for Halo Reach.

[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]

[QUOTE="ebluefie"] Nah, I've played every halo, definitely generic. I speak from experience and a desire to be right, I'm impervious to fanboyism. Halo is nothing more than a dumbed down half life, with a generic enemy and repetitive and gimped FPS gameplay.ebluefie

Too bad Halo completely and utterly stole the attention from every FPS developer when it launched in 2001. The PC genre was nearly abandoned. :? Just a year ago, it had been the primarily system for FPS games, with no other coming close.

Halo was just so good, it changed every developer's mind.

But yeah, those facts have nothing to do with your opinion.

and when the masses "fall" for a trick like Halo

Great one, really made me laugh. :lol:

You can obviously have your opinion, man, nobody is going to steal it. But Halo changed the genre for a reason. It was revolutionary. It showed that FPS games on consoles are at least as good as on the PC.

[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]

[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]

I like it how you are admitting defeat by pretending to play weak and as if you do not care.

You stated GT5 sold more than a million in the U.S., stupidly using shipped numbers.

You were proven wrong.

Then you gave an unlegit link, saying GT5 had shipped 1.5 million in Europe. In other words, providing us with completely irrelevant information. :?

SHR3DD3D

the 960k came from december NPD. So you mean to tell that From January 1st to february 22, GT5 cannot move 40k extra units? while citing to you that the game has major longetivity. You can choose to be deluded.

The 960k figure is from both November and December.

Then, the shipped numbers you provided us with are as of 2010, Dec.

yes that number includes canadian and latin American Numbers. That NPDs dont cover at all.

Have fun. Read the charts carefully, NPD's dont track online retailers either. (They extrapolate their sales which is very erroneous).

[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]

[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]

the 960k came from december NPD. So you mean to tell that From January 1st to february 22, GT5 cannot move 40k extra units? while citing to you that the game has major longetivity. You can choose to be deluded.

Blaze-Agent

The 960k figure is from both November and December.

Then, the shipped numbers you provided us with are as of 2010, Dec.

yes that number includes canadian and latin American Numbers. That NPDs dont cover at all.

Have fun. Read the charts carefully, NPD's dont track online retailers either. (They extrapolate their sales which is very erroneous).

People purchased GT5 online in NA? K...

[QUOTE="themyth01"]

[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]

link to back up your horrid claims? Because they sold 3.29 million in first month in US. Sold 315k in october 2010NPD's,It did not chart in November (out of top 10, sold less than 300k in november.. Did not chart al all in December (although December #10 spot was need for speed. SAfe to say it sold less than 400k in dec). HAs about 800k Sales to date in UK. Its strongest Euro MArket. Flopped everywhere else.

WHere are you getting your 8 million from exactly? because you have no links. ( i gots links)

http://www.gameplanet.co.nz/news/135920.20101021.Halo-Reach-tops-US-sales-charts/

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=413244

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=415414

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=418652

Blaze-Agent

I get the feeling you don't much like Halo outselling GT :P First, you If you just add the numbers,3.3 + .315 + 0.3 + 0.55 + 1. + x(this includes all regions outside US and UK) = 5.47 + x. Or you could just go to vgchartz for x.

Now then, let's provide the LINKS for GT5:

A whooping total of 400K in NA in its first month: LINK

It didn't even chart after that but the number was released, which brings it to a total of about 960k for NA.

So when we're comparing sales-through, you have NO links, yet you ask for them.

If we're comparing sales - can you prove GT5 sold more??

you are using VGchartz? Even you know better than that. All i know is that GT5 is in top 10of every PAl weekly data since it was released and its still there 3 months later. The same cant be said for Halo Reach.

The point is simple, with the information provided about sell-through (using NPD, Media Crate, UK-when available), Halo Reach has outsold GT5. Unlike GT5, Halo Reach came out to a 3.3 million units sold in NA for a single month (that's nearly as much as GT5's total shipped figures for EU so far), so it doesn't even have to put out huge numbers every month because its start up sales were ridiculous. You can use GT5 shipped numbers all you like but that's not really sales through to the consumer and would have to be compared to Halo Reach shipped figures as well, since we don't have Halo Reach shipped figures, at most we can say that provided information from Media Create, NPD and UK numbers is that Halo Reach is outselling GT5.

It makes no sense to compare sell-through to shipped, it's pointless.

lol.

SystemWars needs to make up their minds if sales matter or not.

[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]

[QUOTE="themyth01"]

I get the feeling you don't much like Halo outselling GT :P First, you If you just add the numbers,3.3 + .315 + 0.3 + 0.55 + 1. + x(this includes all regions outside US and UK) = 5.47 + x. Or you could just go to vgchartz for x.

Now then, let's provide the LINKS for GT5:

A whooping total of 400K in NA in its first month: LINK

It didn't even chart after that but the number was released, which brings it to a total of about 960k for NA.

So when we're comparing sales-through, you have NO links, yet you ask for them.

If we're comparing sales - can you prove GT5 sold more??

themyth01

you are using VGchartz? Even you know better than that. All i know is that GT5 is in top 10of every PAl weekly data since it was released and its still there 3 months later. The same cant be said for Halo Reach.

The point is simple, with the information provided about sell-through (using NPD, Media Crate, UK-when available), Halo Reach has outsold GT5. Unlike GT5, Halo Reach came out to a 3.3 million units sold in NA for a single month (that's nearly as much as GT5's total shipped figures for EU so far), so it doesn't even have to put out huge numbers every month because its start up sales were ridiculous. You can use GT5 shipped numbers all you like but that's not really sales through to the consumer and would have to be compared to Halo Reach shipped figures as well, since we don't have Halo Reach shipped figures, at most we can say that provided information from Media Create, NPD and UK numbers is that Halo Reach is outselling GT5.

Uk on represent 20% of GT5 sales in PAL. GT5 sells more in other regions than UK.

[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]

[QUOTE="themyth01"]

I get the feeling you don't much like Halo outselling GT :P First, you If you just add the numbers,3.3 + .315 + 0.3 + 0.55 + 1. + x(this includes all regions outside US and UK) = 5.47 + x. Or you could just go to vgchartz for x.

Now then, let's provide the LINKS for GT5:

A whooping total of 400K in NA in its first month: LINK

It didn't even chart after that but the number was released, which brings it to a total of about 960k for NA.

So when we're comparing sales-through, you have NO links, yet you ask for them.

If we're comparing sales - can you prove GT5 sold more??

themyth01

you are using VGchartz? Even you know better than that. All i know is that GT5 is in top 10of every PAl weekly data since it was released and its still there 3 months later. The same cant be said for Halo Reach.

The point is simple, with the information provided about sell-through (using NPD, Media Crate, UK-when available), Halo Reach has outsold GT5. Unlike GT5, Halo Reach came out to a 3.3 million units sold in NA for a single month (that's nearly as much as GT5's total shipped figures for EU so far), so it doesn't even have to put out huge numbers every month because its start up sales were ridiculous. You can use GT5 shipped numbers all you like but that's not really sales through to the consumer and would have to be compared to Halo Reach shipped figures as well, since we don't have Halo Reach shipped figures, at most we can say that provided information from Media Create, NPD and UK numbers is that Halo Reach is outselling GT5.

It makes no sense to compare sell-through to shipped, it's pointless.

[QUOTE="themyth01"]

[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]

you are using VGchartz? Even you know better than that. All i know is that GT5 is in top 10of every PAl weekly data since it was released and its still there 3 months later. The same cant be said for Halo Reach.

TintedEyes

The point is simple, with the information provided about sell-through (using NPD, Media Crate, UK-when available), Halo Reach has outsold GT5. Unlike GT5, Halo Reach came out to a 3.3 million units sold in NA for a single month (that's nearly as much as GT5's total shipped figures for EU so far), so it doesn't even have to put out huge numbers every month because its start up sales were ridiculous. You can use GT5 shipped numbers all you like but that's not really sales through to the consumer and would have to be compared to Halo Reach shipped figures as well, since we don't have Halo Reach shipped figures, at most we can say that provided information from Media Create, NPD and UK numbers is that Halo Reach is outselling GT5.

It makes no sense to compare sell-through to shipped, it's pointless.

That's why I said given the information we do have such as NPD, Media Create and UK numbers (which together is the vast majority of the market). Nobody has complete sales because they're simply not tracked.

[QUOTE="ebluefie"][QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]

Too bad Halo completely and utterly stole the attention from every FPS developer when it launched in 2001. The PC genre was nearly abandoned. :? Just a year ago, it had been the primarily system for FPS games, with no other coming close.

Halo was just so good, it changed every developer's mind.

But yeah, those facts have nothing to do with your opinion.

SHR3DD3D

and when the masses "fall" for a trick like Halo

Great one, really made me laugh. :lol:

You can obviously have your opinion, man, nobody is going to steal it. But Halo changed the genre for a reason. It was revolutionary. It showed that FPS games on consoles are at least as good as on the PC.

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]

[QUOTE="themyth01"]

The point is simple, with the information provided about sell-through (using NPD, Media Crate, UK-when available), Halo Reach has outsold GT5. Unlike GT5, Halo Reach came out to a 3.3 million units sold in NA for a single month (that's nearly as much as GT5's total shipped figures for EU so far), so it doesn't even have to put out huge numbers every month because its start up sales were ridiculous. You can use GT5 shipped numbers all you like but that's not really sales through to the consumer and would have to be compared to Halo Reach shipped figures as well, since we don't have Halo Reach shipped figures, at most we can say that provided information from Media Create, NPD and UK numbers is that Halo Reach is outselling GT5.

It makes no sense to compare sell-through to shipped, it's pointless.

themyth01

That's why I said given the information we do have such as NPD, Media Create and UK numbers (which together is the vast majority of the market). Nobody has complete sales because they're simply not tracked.

[QUOTE="themyth01"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]but you dont have the complete sales for both games

TintedEyes

That's why I said given the information we do have such as NPD, Media Create and UK numbers (which together is the vast majority of the market). Nobody has complete sales because they're simply not tracked.

[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]

[QUOTE="ebluefie"] I would provide a list of Britney Spears like comparisons to the point you are making ... Instead I'll just say "ok", enjoy your generic FPS. Fact is $ reigns, and when the masses "fall" for a trick like Halo, capitalist devs follow. Doesn't change the fact that Halo not only dumbed down FPS games, but developed a legion of people like you that are now convinced all FPS games should follow in Failo's footsteps. Huge hitboxes, terrible generic guns, awful shooting mechanics ... the list doesn't end. The problem of course being consoles, and their "auto-aim required" controller.ebluefie

and when the masses "fall" for a trick like Halo

Great one, really made me laugh. :lol:

You can obviously have your opinion, man, nobody is going to steal it. But Halo changed the genre for a reason. It was revolutionary. It showed that FPS games on consoles are at least as good as on the PC.

Just accept the fact that it is an excellent series, man. There is no trick to it. Believing that would be foolish. :idea:

[QUOTE="themyth01"]

[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]

you are using VGchartz? Even you know better than that. All i know is that GT5 is in top 10of every PAl weekly data since it was released and its still there 3 months later. The same cant be said for Halo Reach.

Blaze-Agent

The point is simple, with the information provided about sell-through (using NPD, Media Crate, UK-when available), Halo Reach has outsold GT5. Unlike GT5, Halo Reach came out to a 3.3 million units sold in NA for a single month (that's nearly as much as GT5's total shipped figures for EU so far), so it doesn't even have to put out huge numbers every month because its start up sales were ridiculous. You can use GT5 shipped numbers all you like but that's not really sales through to the consumer and would have to be compared to Halo Reach shipped figures as well, since we don't have Halo Reach shipped figures, at most we can say that provided information from Media Create, NPD and UK numbers is that Halo Reach is outselling GT5.

Uk on represent 20% of GT5 sales in PAL. GT5 sells more in other regions than UK.

UK is the biggest gaming market in Europe, by far. If you think GT5 sells better outside of it, you can try to back it up. I've never heard anyone state that before.

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Uk on represent 20% of GT5 sales in PAL. GT5 sells more in other regions than UK.

SHR3DD3D

UK is the biggest gaming market in Europe, by far. If you think GT5 sells better outside of it, you can try to back it up. I've never heard anyone state that before.

I thought 20% was way too much but you are saying is way too low?

I always thought that racing games are more popular in Germany or Italy than in UK.

Impressive statistics indeed, very well deserved.

call of duty is the biggest game on the ps3... chew on that.

uh-huh, so while GT5 critically failed you now bring up a 4 year old 360 exclusive to bash sales in, why dont you compare something a bit more fair, say, Reach to GT5? Commercially and Critically.See which one wins?

Ah crap, guess I should toss my copy of Halo 3.

Ah crap, guess I should toss my copy of Halo 3.

789shadow

You got a copy? But it's rated M.

A whooping total of 400K in NA in its first month: LINK

themyth01

So what? GT's always sold a ton. And there's more PS3's out there now than there were Xboxes in 2007. Makes sense that the killer app would sell more when there's more people to sell to.DarkLink77

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Ah crap, guess I should toss my copy of Halo 3.

FIipMode

You got a copy? But it's rated M.

SHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Silence. :|

that's probably 6.37 million SHIPPED, but whatever, it is selling well so good for it. No real surprise. http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/7678/gran-turismo-5/ http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/6964/halo-3/MachoTacoNacho

GameSpot has already reported that it's shipped, not sold.

While it's nothing wrong, all the cows claiming it was sold, in this thread, have unfortunately been owned.

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A whooping total of 400K in NA in its first month: LINK

lqcevox

That's the excuse every cow used when the November sales figures were released, tricked into believing it would actually be a true success over the time.

Nonetheless, it was reported that it barely cracked the Top Ten the following month...