So, next gen consoles are outdated before release.

[QUOTE="menes777"]

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

January 2004 - 22 months before xbox release there wasn't a GPU setup that could even come close to the xbox performance.
November 2005 - xbox released. (still thee is no pc gpu can beat the xbox gpu)

January 2012 - released a single GPU (HD7970GHz) that performs 2 times better than ps4 GPU.
November 2013 - ps4 released. (22 months late and half the performance).

 

This gen is going to be very brutal for console gamers.

04dcarraher

Especially if the gen lasts up to 10 years. Can you imagine even in 2 years what it's going to be like?

so what?

i have never seen a new gen console come out that was not a 6 to 18 month old mid to high range pc anyway so why is that a problem now?

i will always have a state of the art pc to play the games it does well on and i will eventually have all the new consoles to take advantage of what they do well also.

I have 2 175watt speakers powered by a Dclass amp, a 3kwatt VIBE 15" SPACE II sub in a custom ported enclosure, powered by a VIBE Bass 1 Mono AMP.

 

I use onboard sound, 192,000 is a really high bit rate, and it is thanks to my motherboard, it has the highest end Realtek audio chip, it sounds crisp and nice, but not quite there with high end sound cards.

 

 

 

AMD655

[QUOTE="loco145"]

Nothing shown surpases the original Crysis.

Vatusus

maybe in hermits land...

seriously, if you honestly believe this than :lol:

January 2004 - 22 months before xbox release there wasn't a GPU setup that could even come close to the xbox performance.
November 2005 - xbox released. (still thee is no pc gpu can beat the xbox gpu)

January 2012 - released a single GPU (HD7970GHz) that performs 2 times better than ps4 GPU.
November 2013 - ps4 released. (22 months late and half the performance).

This gen is going to be very brutal for console gamers.

MK-Professor

I remember a midrange 8600GTS wasn't signficantly faster than the 360 even though it came out a year after the 360s release. A mid range gtx 800 series card (rumored for next summer), should offer GTX 780/titan performance at midrange prices...... (I hope this gen isn't 7-8 year like this one)

January 2004 - 22 months before xbox release there wasn't a GPU setup that could even come close to the xbox performance.
November 2005 - xbox released. (still thee is no pc gpu can beat the xbox gpu)

January 2012 - released a single GPU (HD7970GHz) that performs 2 times better than ps4 GPU.
November 2013 - ps4 released. (22 months late and half the performance).

 

This gen is going to be very brutal for console gamers.

MK-Professor

I'm pretty sure SLI 7800GTX would beat Xbox GPU.

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Resistance 1 for PS3 and other PS3 games have better audio than any PC Game ive ever played. At least that's my observation when both PC and PS3 are connected to my Pioneer Elite Receiver m3Boarder32

IT doesn't sound like you know what you're talking about.

Uncompressed Audio has been standard on PC since time immemorial. Compressed output has been a relatively new thing (probably a little before the PS3 came out, IIRC).

Sound modelling isn't any different in an engine like Resistance, than in one like Crytek's or a number of others. Audio is still being positionally calculated/culled/processed/encoded and outputted in the same manner.

I'll take Battlefield's 3 sound engineering over Resistance's any day of the week.

How do you know Resistance has higher bitrate then any PC game ? You have no facts to prove what you say...

January 2004 - 22 months before xbox release there wasn't a GPU setup that could even come close to the xbox performance.
November 2005 - xbox released. (still thee is no pc gpu can beat the xbox gpu)

January 2012 - released a single GPU (HD7970GHz) that performs 2 times better than ps4 GPU.
November 2013 - ps4 released. (22 months late and half the performance).

 

This gen is going to be very brutal for console gamers.

MK-Professor

[QUOTE="AMD655"]

I have 2 175watt speakers powered by a Dclass amp, a 3kwatt VIBE 15" SPACE II sub in a custom ported enclosure, powered by a VIBE Bass 1 Mono AMP.

 

I use onboard sound, 192,000 is a really high bit rate, and it is thanks to my motherboard, it has the highest end Realtek audio chip, it sounds crisp and nice, but not quite there with high end sound cards.

 

 

 

m3Boarder32

I think specs matter a hell of a lot less today than the money and talent put into optimization. wolverine4262

I agree.

January 2004 - 22 months before xbox release there wasn't a GPU setup that could even come close to the xbox performance.
November 2005 - xbox released. (still thee is no pc gpu can beat the xbox gpu)

January 2012 - released a single GPU (HD7970GHz) that performs 2 times better than ps4 GPU.
November 2013 - ps4 released. (22 months late and half the performance).

 

This gen is going to be very brutal for console gamers.

MK-Professor

22 months before the xbox launch the xenos was just a dream starting,the shortage the unit had and the lat dev kits were do to the chip been late and running ultra hot.

Now imagiing the 360 with a GPU like the 7970 inside with the cooling the 360 had back them.? It would have melt the complete board,GPU of today are hotter than GPU were on 2005,not only that the xbox one is already late it should have arrive here in fall 2011 the most and MS push it,a 7790 on holiday 2011 wasn't the best GPU but would not have been the worse either,the same apply to the PS4 that shold have arrive last holiday and not this one.

Both consoles are fine,they are not going after ultra high resolutions is 1080p both of the GPU should be fine.

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="AMD655"]

I have 2 175watt speakers powered by a Dclass amp, a 3kwatt VIBE 15" SPACE II sub in a custom ported enclosure, powered by a VIBE Bass 1 Mono AMP.

 

I use onboard sound, 192,000 is a really high bit rate, and it is thanks to my motherboard, it has the highest end Realtek audio chip, it sounds crisp and nice, but not quite there with high end sound cards.

 

 

 

AMD655

 

How do you know Resistance has higher bitrate then any PC game ? You have no facts to prove what you say...

Bebi_vegeta

You don't either but Resistance has 7.1 uncompressed sound before PC,the PS3 supported uncompressed sound since day 1 7.1 by the way.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

 

How do you know Resistance has higher bitrate then any PC game ? You have no facts to prove what you say...

tormentos

You don't either but Resistance has 7.1 uncompressed sound before PC,the PS3 supported uncompressed sound since day 1 7.1 by the way.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

 

How do you know Resistance has higher bitrate then any PC game ? You have no facts to prove what you say...

tormentos

You don't either but Resistance has 7.1 uncompressed sound before PC,the PS3 supported uncompressed sound since day 1 7.1 by the way.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

 

How do you know Resistance has higher bitrate then any PC game ? You have no facts to prove what you say...

tormentos

You don't either but Resistance has 7.1 uncompressed sound before PC,the PS3 supported uncompressed sound since day 1 7.1 by the way.

Yes I know, I already agreed with you. Hell I was the one who linked the site with every game... you just quote some dude.

But I'm not the one saying Resistance has a higher bitrate then any game on PC without even having facts to back it up. So in the end, why are you even replying to me ?

Because SONY said so......AMD655

No because for Blu-ray movies is the best...hahaha

[QUOTE="AMD655"] Because SONY said so......tormentos

No because for Blu-ray movies is the best...hahaha

Hmmm, funny resistance.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

 

How do you know Resistance has higher bitrate then any PC game ? You have no facts to prove what you say...

04dcarraher

You don't either but Resistance has 7.1 uncompressed sound before PC,the PS3 supported uncompressed sound since day 1 7.1 by the way.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="tormentos"]

 

You don't either but Resistance has 7.1 uncompressed sound before PC,the PS3 supported uncompressed sound since day 1 7.1 by the way.

m3Boarder32

There is such a thing called placebo.

Who cares.... unless you have a expensive and good receiver and speakers you cant hear the difference04dcarraher

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA15Y0CR4844

Come on man as cheap as $166 dollars...

If you want an ultra expensive receiver ok,but there is no need to go that high,even that one should be an improvement from 5.1.

If you want something a little more classy without going over kill you can pick this one.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1J70S50315

But i don't know why you say who cares if you don't have the same for PC uncompressed sound doesn't matter any one,over a crappy logitech $50 dollar speakers you will do nothing.

There is such a thing called placebo.

AMD655

[QUOTE="AMD655"]

There is such a thing called placebo.

m3Boarder32

 

 

Hmmm, funny resistance.

AMD655

Resistance use it is one of the capabilities of the PS3 and one that has been there over PC and xbox 360 since day one,i have use audio in many of my arguments.

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] I think my Pioneer Elite receiver and Dynaudio speakers can discern the differencem3Boarder32

They actually believe that the difference can't be heard..:lol:

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="MonsieurX"] But can YOU? :|tormentos

They actually believe that the difference can't be heard..:lol:

They?

I have high end speakers and amp's....

Even used sound cards before, and there is a very, very slight difference at best.

Even FLAC music was only slightly better.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Absolutely AMD655

They actually believe that the difference can't be heard..:lol:

They?

I have high end speakers and amp's....

Even used sound cards before, and there is a very, very slight difference at best.

Even FLAC music was only slightly better.

[QUOTE="AMD655"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

 

They actually believe that the difference can't be heard..:lol:

m3Boarder32

They?

I have high end speakers and amp's....

Even used sound cards before, and there is a very, very slight difference at best.

Even FLAC music was only slightly better.

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="AMD655"]

 

They?

 

I have high end speakers and amp's....

Even used sound cards before, and there is a very, very slight difference at best.

 

Even FLAC music was only slightly better.

AMD655

[QUOTE="AMD655"][QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] When you have to tell us the watts of your gear, thats when you know it's not high end :lol:m3Boarder32

And because you never heard of VIBE, you call it shit.

Reason...

American.

[QUOTE="AMD655"][QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] When you have to tell us the watts of your gear, thats when you know it's not high end :lol:m3Boarder32

Which they also make lower end parts.

..

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="AMD655"] So VIBE are not high end?? http://www.vibeaudio.co.uk/Bebi_vegeta

Which they also make lower end parts.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Nope. Want high end speakers? Stick to Paradigm, Dynaudio, B&W, Monitor Audio, Salk, PSB, Ascend, ect, ect, ect. Want high end subwoofer? Epik, SVS, HSU, Rythmik, Velodyne, Seaton, Outlaw ect..m3Boarder32

Which they also make lower end parts.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Nope. Want high end speakers? Stick to Paradigm, Dynaudio, B&W, Monitor Audio, Salk, PSB, Ascend, ect, ect, ect. Want high end subwoofer? Epik, SVS, HSU, Rythmik, Velodyne, Seaton, Outlaw ect..m3Boarder32

Which they also make lower end parts.

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Which they also make lower end parts.

AMD655

No mate.......

You simply do not understand anything do you, your speakers sound as good as they are set up, and with what equipment they are hooked up with.

Bass can sound different depending on where it is placed, and depends on enclosure size, and type.

It does not matter if it is car audio or home, they are speakers, they do not magically change, car audio is cheaper usually, and has far more power output than the equivelent home setup.

A PC power supply is all you need to run a car amp.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Nope. Want high end speakers? Stick to Paradigm, Dynaudio, B&W, Monitor Audio, Salk, PSB, Ascend, ect, ect, ect. Want high end subwoofer? Epik, SVS, HSU, Rythmik, Velodyne, Seaton, Outlaw ect..m3Boarder32

Which they also make lower end parts.

How do you even know what PC gamers buy, you think every console gamer is using these speakers ?

BTW, how are your speakers playing in a multiplayer match needing a mic ?

No mate.......

 

You simply do not understand anything do you, your speakers sound as good as they are set up, and with what equipment they are hooked up with.

 

Bass can sound different depending on where it is placed, and depends on enclosure size, and type.

It does not matter if it is car audio or home, they are speakers, they do not magically change, car audio is cheaper usually, and has far more power output than the equivelent home setup.

A PC power supply is all you need to run a car amp.

AMD655

[QUOTE="AMD655"]

No mate.......

 

You simply do not understand anything do you, your speakers sound as good as they are set up, and with what equipment they are hooked up with.

 

Bass can sound different depending on where it is placed, and depends on enclosure size, and type.

It does not matter if it is car audio or home, they are speakers, they do not magically change, car audio is cheaper usually, and has far more power output than the equivelent home setup.

A PC power supply is all you need to run a car amp.

m3Boarder32

VIBE amp is fine.....

I use this for my speakers...

http://www.stoneaudio.co.uk/?google=11423&gclid=CL3q_NbkirkCFW_HtAodulYAAQ

I never paid that price though, got mine for 580 smackers.

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="AMD655"]

No mate.......

 

You simply do not understand anything do you, your speakers sound as good as they are set up, and with what equipment they are hooked up with.

 

Bass can sound different depending on where it is placed, and depends on enclosure size, and type.

It does not matter if it is car audio or home, they are speakers, they do not magically change, car audio is cheaper usually, and has far more power output than the equivelent home setup.

A PC power supply is all you need to run a car amp.

AMD655

VIBE amp is fine.....

I use this for my speakers...

http://www.stoneaudio.co.uk/?google=11423&gclid=CL3q_NbkirkCFW_HtAodulYAAQ

I never paid that price though, got mine for 580 smackers.

The need for surround???

The need for surround???

AMD655

[QUOTE="AMD655"]

The need for surround???

m3Boarder32