So there have been 13 pokemon games in 15 years...

Why do people overlook this and complain about EA and Activision's year releases? It seems there's a humongous double standard when it comes to these practices. Anyone agree or disagree? I actually didn't realize until I saw that X/Y thread and decided to look it up, nintendo are seriously the worst when it comes to milking.

What's your point?

well seeing as most of them are spinoffs wiith decent enough gameplay...I don't see the problem

is that counting the "a" and "b" versions that are exactly the same except for a few mobs in each one.

that is the crap that i think is completely morally bankrupt.

i watched a kid throw a hissy fit in a store once because his parent didn't want to buy 2 of the exact same game.

Well when the games tend to be good that isn't a bad thing. What Pokemon Games are you counting? Are you actually counting both games in a set? That's stupid. While I understand that Pokemon Gold/Silver, Pokemon Red/Blue, Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire, Diamond/Pearl, Black/White, etc are a lot but those are all essentially two copies of the same game.

That's only 7 in 15 years if you count X/Y this fall and not the HeartGold/SoulSilver remakes, even then that's 8 in 15 years. I really hope you're not counting them as different games. Even Platinum is MOSTLY the same as Diamond/Pearl.

Honestly its surprising that only 13 in 15 years have happened. You'd think more would have happened in that time frame considering how successful it is.

I'd say theres a lot more effort put into an 80+ hour JRPG with huge amounts of depth than another 5 hour generic copy/paste FPS with multiplayer.  So on that note, it's justifiable.

Of course this is an obvious double standard.

What's worst is that you'll just see people respond with generic cop outs like "but the gameplay is good."

That same line of thought can be applied to literally every COD, Madden, Dynasty Warriors, Assassins Creed and other games that get bashed to death for being milked.

13 games in 15 years though....

That's f*cking insane!

:lol:

Of course this is an obvious double standard.

What's worst is that you'll just see people respond with generic cop outs like "but the gameplay is good."

That same line of thought can be applied to literally every COD, Madden, Dynasty Warriors, Assassins Creed and other games that get bashed to death for being milked.

13 games in 15 years though....

That's f*cking insane!

:lol:

Rockman999

Its more like 6-8 games btw. The TC is counting both A and B releases for each game. That's like saying Nintendogs has had 6 installments when only two games are in the series.

I wish we got MOAR Pokemon!!! Bring it! X and Y will demolish the Vita.RyanShazam

That's an extremely astute observation.

The word POKEMON is a license to print money. People buy those A + B copies of the game, I see it in collections all the time...which is why those versions even exist. It's common knowledge they don't have to make the game with two versions like that, but they know it brings in the dough.

well seeing as most of them are spinoffs wiith decent enough gameplay...I don't see the problem

josephl64

Huh? What do you mean? All of those were main series.

I'd say theres a lot more effort put into an 80+ hour JRPG with huge amounts of depth than another 5 hour generic copy/paste FPS with multiplayer.  So on that note, it's justifiable.

Crossel777

Well when the games tend to be good that isn't a bad thing. What Pokemon Games are you counting? Are you actually counting both games in a set? That's stupid. While I understand that Pokemon Gold/Silver, Pokemon Red/Blue, Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire, Diamond/Pearl, Black/White, etc are a lot but those are all essentially two copies of the same game.

That's only 7 in 15 years if you count X/Y this fall and not the HeartGold/SoulSilver remakes, even then that's 8 in 15 years. I really hope you're not counting them as different games. Even Platinum is MOSTLY the same as Diamond/Pearl.

Honestly its surprising that only 13 in 15 years have happened. You'd think more would have happened in that time frame considering how successful it is.

bonesawisready5

13 in 15 counts as almost 1 per year, and no I didn't count any that released at the same time like diamond/pearl.

Pokémon Red and Blue
Pokémon Yellow
Pokémon Gold and Silver
Pokémon Crystal
Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire
Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen
Pokémon Emerald
Pokémon Diamond and Pearl
Pokémon Platinum
Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver
Pokémon Black and White
Pokémon Black 2 and White 2
Pokémon X and Y

I'd say theres a lot more effort put into an 80+ hour JRPG with huge amounts of depth than another 5 hour generic copy/paste FPS with multiplayer.  So on that note, it's justifiable.

Crossel777

It's the same thing dude, the MP in COD offers people that same amount of time and gets substantial changes with each iteration.

I'd say theres a lot more effort put into an 80+ hour JRPG with huge amounts of depth than another 5 hour generic copy/paste FPS with multiplayer.  So on that note, it's justifiable.

Crossel777

Using "huge amounts of depth" to describe the content in Pokemon games is a huge stretch.

And you do realise more times than not those "5 hour generic copy/paste FPS with multiplayer" games have a lot more content in them than Pokemon games right?

Where each Pokemon can last you at most 80 hours(even though most people only put in 8-12 hours) Black Ops 2's MP alone can last you hundreds of hours and that's before including dlc packs.

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

Well when the games tend to be good that isn't a bad thing. What Pokemon Games are you counting? Are you actually counting both games in a set? That's stupid. While I understand that Pokemon Gold/Silver, Pokemon Red/Blue, Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire, Diamond/Pearl, Black/White, etc are a lot but those are all essentially two copies of the same game.

That's only 7 in 15 years if you count X/Y this fall and not the HeartGold/SoulSilver remakes, even then that's 8 in 15 years. I really hope you're not counting them as different games. Even Platinum is MOSTLY the same as Diamond/Pearl.

Honestly its surprising that only 13 in 15 years have happened. You'd think more would have happened in that time frame considering how successful it is.

GD1551

13 in 15 counts as almost 1 per year, and no I didn't count any that released at the same time like diamond/pearl.

Pokémon Red and Blue
Pokémon Yellow
Pokémon Gold and Silver
Pokémon Crystal
Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire
Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen
Pokémon Emerald
Pokémon Diamond and Pearl
Pokémon Platinum
Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver
Pokémon Black and White
Pokémon Black 2 and White 2
Pokémon X and Y

Wow, you could have really gone to town if you decided to separate those games, but good show.

[QUOTE="Rockman999"]

Of course this is an obvious double standard.

What's worst is that you'll just see people respond with generic cop outs like "but the gameplay is good."

That same line of thought can be applied to literally every COD, Madden, Dynasty Warriors, Assassins Creed and other games that get bashed to death for being milked.

13 games in 15 years though....

That's f*cking insane!

:lol:

bonesawisready5

Its more like 6-8 games btw. The TC is counting both A and B releases for each game. That's like saying Nintendogs has had 6 installments when only two games are in the series.

Pokemon can be overlooked because while the games aren't really all that different from one another, they do differ enough with each release to warrent the purchase (story, setting, new types of pokemon, etc)

But the main reason behind the pass Pokemon gets is that Pokemon doesn't rub off on other games. There aren't 20 games every year just like Pokemon, or games trying to be like Pokemon. This is why Call of Duty gets bashed, because it rubs off on everything and spoils good experiences because the developers of other games want a piece of Cod's pie. Madden is hated on because it has no competition.

So give Pokemon a break. It's not hurting anyone, and people love it. Same goes for Mario, Zelda, and many other games. As long as they don't influence the industry in a negative way, let them milk all they want.

I'd say that's even worse milkage because they force the fans to buy the game twice to get the complete package.

Rockman999

That's no different than the games which have $60 or more worth of DLC IMO.

holy crap! :lol: you were NOT counting the A and B versions seperately???

lmao, that shyt is criminal.

so technically here it is over 20 games with half of them being the same game. :lol:

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

Well when the games tend to be good that isn't a bad thing. What Pokemon Games are you counting? Are you actually counting both games in a set? That's stupid. While I understand that Pokemon Gold/Silver, Pokemon Red/Blue, Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire, Diamond/Pearl, Black/White, etc are a lot but those are all essentially two copies of the same game.

That's only 7 in 15 years if you count X/Y this fall and not the HeartGold/SoulSilver remakes, even then that's 8 in 15 years. I really hope you're not counting them as different games. Even Platinum is MOSTLY the same as Diamond/Pearl.

Honestly its surprising that only 13 in 15 years have happened. You'd think more would have happened in that time frame considering how successful it is.

GD1551

13 in 15 counts as almost 1 per year, and no I didn't count any that released at the same time like diamond/pearl.

Pokémon Red and Blue
Pokémon Yellow
Pokémon Gold and Silver
Pokémon Crystal
Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire
Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen
Pokémon Emerald
Pokémon Diamond and Pearl
Pokémon Platinum
Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver
Pokémon Black and White
Pokémon Black 2 and White 2
Pokémon X and Y

Oh so you're counting the C version of the same game too? Why? You don't count the A & B versions of the same game but count the C version?

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

Well when the games tend to be good that isn't a bad thing. What Pokemon Games are you counting? Are you actually counting both games in a set? That's stupid. While I understand that Pokemon Gold/Silver, Pokemon Red/Blue, Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire, Diamond/Pearl, Black/White, etc are a lot but those are all essentially two copies of the same game.

That's only 7 in 15 years if you count X/Y this fall and not the HeartGold/SoulSilver remakes, even then that's 8 in 15 years. I really hope you're not counting them as different games. Even Platinum is MOSTLY the same as Diamond/Pearl.

Honestly its surprising that only 13 in 15 years have happened. You'd think more would have happened in that time frame considering how successful it is.

bonesawisready5

13 in 15 counts as almost 1 per year, and no I didn't count any that released at the same time like diamond/pearl.

Pokémon Red and Blue
Pokémon Yellow
Pokémon Gold and Silver
Pokémon Crystal
Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire
Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen
Pokémon Emerald
Pokémon Diamond and Pearl
Pokémon Platinum
Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver
Pokémon Black and White
Pokémon Black 2 and White 2
Pokémon X and Y

Oh so you're counting the C version of the same game too? Why? You don't count the A & B versions of the same game but count the C version?

Because it's part of milking? It came out a year after the others :|

Pokemon can be overlooked because while the games aren't really all that different from one another, they do differ enough with each release to warrent the purchase (story, setting, new types of pokemon, etc)

But the main reason behind the pass Pokemon gets is that Pokemon doesn't rub off on other games. There aren't 20 games every year just like Pokemon, or games trying to be like Pokemon. This is why Call of Duty gets bashed, because it rubs off on everything and spoils good experiences because the developers of other games want a piece of Cod's pie. Madden is hated on because it has no competition.

So give Pokemon a break. It's not hurting anyone, and people love it. Same goes for Mario, Zelda, and many other games. As long as they don't influence the industry in a negative way, let them milk all they want.

[QUOTE="Rockman999"]

I'd say that's even worse milkage because they force the fans to buy the game twice to get the complete package.

Plagueless

That's no different than the games which have $60 or more worth of DLC IMO.

Having A+B versions is just splitting the game in half and selling it twice.

Pretty big difference man.

There's basically been 6 so far. 8 if you count heartgold/soul silver and firered/leafgreen.

I don't see why you would count platinum, yellow, etc. Those are basically just for people who decided to wait a bit before buying the generation's game. There's very minor changes between them and the main entries.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

Well when the games tend to be good that isn't a bad thing. What Pokemon Games are you counting? Are you actually counting both games in a set? That's stupid. While I understand that Pokemon Gold/Silver, Pokemon Red/Blue, Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire, Diamond/Pearl, Black/White, etc are a lot but those are all essentially two copies of the same game.

That's only 7 in 15 years if you count X/Y this fall and not the HeartGold/SoulSilver remakes, even then that's 8 in 15 years. I really hope you're not counting them as different games. Even Platinum is MOSTLY the same as Diamond/Pearl.

Honestly its surprising that only 13 in 15 years have happened. You'd think more would have happened in that time frame considering how successful it is.

bonesawisready5

13 in 15 counts as almost 1 per year, and no I didn't count any that released at the same time like diamond/pearl.

Pokémon Red and Blue
Pokémon Yellow
Pokémon Gold and Silver
Pokémon Crystal
Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire
Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen
Pokémon Emerald
Pokémon Diamond and Pearl
Pokémon Platinum
Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver
Pokémon Black and White
Pokémon Black 2 and White 2
Pokémon X and Y

Oh so you're counting the C version of the same game too? Why? You don't count the A & B versions of the same game but count the C version?

I would have counted all of them individually if I did this thread bc having 2 versions each time one releases is its own form of milk age and having a "C" version just perpetuates the milking.BPoole96

Pokemon can be overlooked because while the games aren't really all that different from one another, they do differ enough with each release to warrent the purchase (story, setting, new types of pokemon, etc)

But the main reason behind the pass Pokemon gets is that Pokemon doesn't rub off on other games. There aren't 20 games every year just like Pokemon, or games trying to be like Pokemon. This is why Call of Duty gets bashed, because it rubs off on everything and spoils good experiences because the developers of other games want a piece of Cod's pie. Madden is hated on because it has no competition.

So give Pokemon a break. It's not hurting anyone, and people love it. Same goes for Mario, Zelda, and many other games. As long as they don't influence the industry in a negative way, let them milk all they want.

Plagueless

That is a huge factor in it. There arent all that many games like Pokemon. whereas there are tonnes of games that play like Call of Duty.

New pokemon, new movesets and passive skills, new and revised mechanics, more features, a new overworld and of course campaign are enough of a reason to buy a sequel for some.

A Pokemon game can last people hundreds if not thousands of hours as new builds get discovered, new set ups are waiting to be tried and so on. Also, you only have to buy 1 version of pokemon not 2. Just trade with friends like you are supposed to to get the ones unavailable in your version.

Lol your average CoD has what?  5-7 maps in total?  Playing the same maps thousands of times over hardly amounts to more content.  But yeah, let's not forget overpriced DLC map packs..  That's totally not milking right?   Mindlessly grinding your prestige levels just so you can put your clan logo on the back of your gun?  Whoopied frikkin doo.  So very rewarding and fulfilling and not a waste of time at all.

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]I would have counted all of them individually if I did this thread bc having 2 versions each time one releases is its own form of milk age and having a "C" version just perpetuates the milking.cain006

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]I would have counted all of them individually if I did this thread bc having 2 versions each time one releases is its own form of milk age and having a "C" version just perpetuates the milking.cain006

Seems like some denial so far in the thread, but I think TC is making a good point.  Pokemon is far too beloved however to recieve the same amount of hate that other popular franchises do.

I agree, Pokemon is milked so so much. And I would count Yellow, Crystal, etc. as separate games too.

BUT

That doesn't stop me buying, playing, and enjoying them all :P

[QUOTE="cain006"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]I would have counted all of them individually if I did this thread bc having 2 versions each time one releases is its own form of milk age and having a "C" version just perpetuates the milking.BPoole96

[QUOTE="cain006"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]I would have counted all of them individually if I did this thread bc having 2 versions each time one releases is its own form of milk age and having a "C" version just perpetuates the milking.BPoole96

They are an enhanced edition. With extra content, tweaked moveset, and other misc changes. They got a mix of pokes from other versions, no version can catch them all, this is done to promote trading between players. Which is a huge part of the game series.

Lol your average CoD has what?  5-7 maps in total?  Playing the same maps thousands of times over hardly amounts to more content.  But yeah, let's not forget overpriced DLC map packs..  That's totally not milking right?   Mindlessly grinding your prestige levels just so you can put your clan logo on the back of your gun?  Whoopied frikkin doo.  So very rewarding and fulfilling and not a waste of time at all.

Crossel777

[QUOTE="cain006"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]I would have counted all of them individually if I did this thread bc having 2 versions each time one releases is its own form of milk age and having a "C" version just perpetuates the milking.Rockman999

The idea is not that you are not supposed to get both versions, you are supposed to get the other pokemon through trading.

[QUOTE="BPoole96"][QUOTE="cain006"]It's meant to promote trading. There's no reason to buy two versions at all.BrunoBRS

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

Well when the games tend to be good that isn't a bad thing. What Pokemon Games are you counting? Are you actually counting both games in a set? That's stupid. While I understand that Pokemon Gold/Silver, Pokemon Red/Blue, Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire, Diamond/Pearl, Black/White, etc are a lot but those are all essentially two copies of the same game.

That's only 7 in 15 years if you count X/Y this fall and not the HeartGold/SoulSilver remakes, even then that's 8 in 15 years. I really hope you're not counting them as different games. Even Platinum is MOSTLY the same as Diamond/Pearl.

Honestly its surprising that only 13 in 15 years have happened. You'd think more would have happened in that time frame considering how successful it is.

SolidTy

13 in 15 counts as almost 1 per year, and no I didn't count any that released at the same time like diamond/pearl.

Pokémon Red and Blue
Pokémon Yellow
Pokémon Gold and Silver
Pokémon Crystal
Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire
Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen
Pokémon Emerald
Pokémon Diamond and Pearl
Pokémon Platinum
Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver
Pokémon Black and White
Pokémon Black 2 and White 2
Pokémon X and Y

Wow, you could have really gone to town if you decided to separate those games, but good show.

That's just the main line. Count the Mystery Dungeon, console and other handheld spin-offs and watch the number explode. Nintendo are the kings are milking period and no one will EVER come close unless Nintendo goes out of business..FlamesOfGrey

I hope you have your flame shield.... Maybe a grey one.

[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"]That's just the main line. Count the Mystery Dungeon, console and other handheld spin-offs and watch the number explode. Nintendo are the kings are milking period and no one will EVER come close unless Nintendo goes out of business.._Matt_

I hope you have your flame shield.... Maybe a grey one.

There's basically been 6 so far. 8 if you count heartgold/soul silver and firered/leafgreen.

I don't see why you would count platinum, yellow, etc. Those are basically just for people who decided to wait a bit before buying the generation's game. There's very minor changes between them and the main entries.

cain006

Ah, so it ISN'T milking then.

It's merely releasing the same game with minimal differences a short time after the original, and doing that multiple times within a little more than a decade. 

Wait...I think there's a name for that. :|