so whats better now?....299ps3 vs 299pc?
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Why would a PC ever be that cheap? This is just redundant beyond all belief. Gaming on the PC has many differet factors to consider, like how the the PS3 is nowhere near as multifunctional as almost any PC, the PC i am on right now cost £200, it can do much more than a PS3 ever could, people forget that when you buy a gaming PC you also buy a very powerful PC in every respect.
It's an issue of value ( as the PS3 owners have been ranting on about up until this point like insane parrots, "Bu Bu look at teh Sony Price sheet!! Teh Value :cry: ") rather than cost, it's the same arguemnt they wheeled out against the £120 arcade model, it's sripped. A PS3 is the equivelant a stripped mid-low end gaming PC that has very limited functionallity in everything a Net-bbok is bulit for, you pay accordingly.
The PC is also a totally different market, MS and Sony still make a net loss or brake even all told with their systems, the PC has proft made on each part as it is not as linked with software sales royalties at the consoles are so you are mostly getting the consoles AT COST.
the only stupid thing here is the "I can only play it this way, thus everybody else has to do it too" attitude you're showing. PCgaming is extremely varied and can't be squashed into one little nice bucket like consoles do. Just because some girl spends hours playing on her netbook doesn't make her stupid. Get over it.[QUOTE="Malta_1980"]
Well i find it stupid buying a PC for gaming and be able to play current games in Low/Medium settings and probably not even that for upcoming titles being released next year or the following..
AdrianWerner
and it's not only about settings. Consoles on a whole are cheaper on first buy, but then everything costs more, from games, to XBL's fees, ending with accesories (which you have to rebuy each gen most of the time). Consoles are cheap at first, but unlike PC they bleed you out regularly later on.
Ask yourself: if consoles are so cheap, then how come they're popular only in the few richest countries, while PCgaming dominates everywhere else?
PIRACY :) and you know its true...
I take my country as an example... One guy says hhmm what should i do get a PS3 for $299 and have topay $60 for every game or (applies more ifa student) get a nice gaming PC for lets say $700, maybe get the extra discount / incentives by Government and pay an low interest student-loan and can download/Pirate all the games I want for free..
Not much of a tough decision considering a student or an individual would also use said gaming PC for studies / work etc...
The above is just a possibility and in no way am passing it as fact but we all know it happens a lot...
partialy true. But also...PC is a necessity for everybody, consoles are expensive luxury toysPIRACY :) and you know its true...
Malta_1980
the only stupid thing here is the "I can only play it this way, thus everybody else has to do it too" attitude you're showing. PCgaming is extremely varied and can't be squashed into one little nice bucket like consoles do. Just because some girl spends hours playing on her netbook doesn't make her stupid. Get over it.[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]
[QUOTE="Malta_1980"]
Well i find it stupid buying a PC for gaming and be able to play current games in Low/Medium settings and probably not even that for upcoming titles being released next year or the following..
Malta_1980
and it's not only about settings. Consoles on a whole are cheaper on first buy, but then everything costs more, from games, to XBL's fees, ending with accesories (which you have to rebuy each gen most of the time). Consoles are cheap at first, but unlike PC they bleed you out regularly later on.
Ask yourself: if consoles are so cheap, then how come they're popular only in the few richest countries, while PCgaming dominates everywhere else?
PIRACY :) and you know its true...
I take my country as an example... One guy says hhmm what should i do get a PS3 for $299 and have topay $60 for every game or (applies more ifa student) get a nice gaming PC for lets say $700, maybe get the extra discount / incentives by Government and pay an low interest student-loan and can download/Pirate all the games I want for free..
Not much of a tough decision considering a student or an individual would also use said gaming PC for studies / work etc...
The above is just a possibility and in no way am passing it as fact but we all know it happens a lot...
Free games! :o Chalk one up for the PC! :P Anyway, I had some exchange students from china, korea etc. as roommates and they were all PC gamers. They didn't actually pirate, but I don't think they played anything but WoW, CS and such. From what I gather games like WoW have different pricing models in places like china.I don't know why some consolites insist on making this flawed argument.
Let's ignore the functionality difference (what you are getting for the price) between the PS3 and a PC for a moment. They are expecting a PC built from scratch, every component, for the price of a $299 console. However if you were to mention the price of a decent HDTV to be able to actually use that console they will rationalize why it shouldn't be in the price, even though the console is an expensive brick without one.
I don't know why some consolites insist on making this flawed argument.
Let's ignore the functionality difference (what you are getting for the price) between the PS3 and a PC for a moment. They are expecting a PC built from scratch, every component, for the price of a $299 console. However if you were to mention the price of a decent HDTV to be able to actually use that console they will rationalize why it shouldn't be in the price, even though the console is an expensive brick without one.
AnnoyedDragon
yes but the point is $299 you get a new PS3 you dont use $299 to upgrade parts from a PS2... so its not fair to say All i need is Ram & a video card just to upgrade my old pc.. this thread was about building an $299 gaming PC which imo is not possible..
Its true you need an HDTV for consoles to get the most out of them in terms of crisp visuals, but its also true that a 17"/19" 6+ yr old monitors are in no way close to what new 22" Monitors give in terms of picture/resolution quality.. or am i wrong?
$299 wasnt including a Monitor too
yes but the point is $299 you get a new PS3 you dont use $299 to upgrade parts from a PS2... so its not fair to say All i need is Ram & a video card just to upgrade my old pc.. this thread was about building an $299 gaming PC which imo is not possible..
Malta_1980
As I said it is an expensive brick without a decent HDTV, plus you would have to ignore all the additional functionality you get from your PC for your money.
Its true you need an HDTV for consoles to get the most out of them in terms of crisp visuals, but its also true that a 17"/19" 6+ yr old monitors are in no way close to what new 22" Monitors give in terms of picture/resolution quality.. or am i wrong?
$299 wasnt including a Monitor too
Malta_1980
Just like I said, rationalizing around it.
For the record those 6+ year old monitors offer the same resolutions and even higher than the 22" one, a 17" CRT offered 1600x1200 while the 22" modern monitor 1680x1050. What you are getting from the 22" is more desk space, widescreen and a larger screen.
Here's the deal, you take the price of the console and add it to the price of a HDTV. A decent one, not a POS no gamer would ever use for the sake of keeping the price down. With that price you end up with something that you could build a decent PC, monitor included.
I don't know why some consolites insist on making this flawed argument.
Let's ignore the functionality difference (what you are getting for the price) between the PS3 and a PC for a moment. They are expecting a PC built from scratch, every component, for the price of a $299 console. However if you were to mention the price of a decent HDTV to be able to actually use that console they will rationalize why it shouldn't be in the price, even though the console is an expensive brick without one.
AnnoyedDragon
Well i remeber Bioshock making a great point about price factoring involving power usage, people are exreamly quick to take a "Kitchen Sink" approuch to the PC but fail to realise that when you being to factor EVERYTHING in you are being very hypocritical, take for example power consumption, the PS3 fanboys scream about live fees but fail to realise that their console is probably costing them about the same amount more in power usage.
It's just a moot point to say $300 PS3/360 Vs. your PC. The PS3 can cost anything you want it too like a high end PC, it's about the option of extended funtionality. Wireless headset, addition Dualshock(s)/360cont(s) HDMI Cable, Ptice of games, price of DLC, Live fees, Price of HDTV to take full advantage of resolution, keyboard for ease of use.All these things are optional just like many things are on the PC, they improve you experice and make things more functional which makes up for how basic the consoles are on their own, if you want an apples to apples comparison then will we have to factor these in too? When comparing totally different markets with totally different sets and levels of funcionality you can't take a Vs. approuch in this overly simplistic way.
Its all good and wellsaying how consoles are cheaper but...
Isnt PC gaming supposed to be more expensive??? I mean thats why you get games like crysis and stuff on it. You pay more for better hardware.
[QUOTE="Malta_1980"]
yes but the point is $299 you get a new PS3 you dont use $299 to upgrade parts from a PS2... so its not fair to say All i need is Ram & a video card just to upgrade my old pc.. this thread was about building an $299 gaming PC which imo is not possible..
AnnoyedDragon
As I said it is an expensive brick without a decent HDTV, plus you would have to ignore all the additional functionality you get from your PC for your money.
Ok i understand your point, but we here discuss GAMING, and as i always read how Blu-ray, Wifi, Web browser & all other multimedia functions for PS3 are useless when discussing gaming and playing games, same applies for PC.. Sure you use it for studies or work but in this particular case the $299 for a new system was being refered to whether it is enough to build a good gaming PC, which again its not possible..
Ok i understand your point, but we here discuss GAMING, and as i always read how Blu-ray, Wifi, Web browser & all other multimedia functions for PS3 are useless when discussing gaming and playing games, same applies for PC.. Sure you use it for studies or work but in this particular case the $299 for a new system was being refered to whether it is enough to build a good gaming PC, which again its not possible..
Malta_1980
Read my edit in the previous post.
Wow some crappy online gaming download service w/a cherry picked list of new and old PC games, whereas with Gamefly, every upcoming game is guaranteed to be available. "Users must have a broadband connection, and cannot play GameTap games while disconnected from the Internet." /fail Gametap you can use it no matter if you live in US or if you live in katmantu. From what i know gamefly is available only in US and certainly is not available in my country so gamefly is a fail for me and probably 3/4 of the gaming world. Also gametap you can play all 1041 games in a month for $10 can you do that in gamefly? "Users must have a broadband connection and cannot browse the internet while disconnected from internet" so internet is fail ( see what i did there) GameTap is still gimped, unless you can play every new released PC gaming whats the point in bragging about it. With Gamefly, you can play every PS3 game, new or old, not just certain ones. And 3/4 of the world doesn't own a console or a PC for that matter and we're talking about gaming, which for the PS3 doesn't require an internet connection so that analogy is phail-boat lol[QUOTE="Vadamee"][QUOTE="adamosmaki"] Let me indroduce you to gametap. $10 a month for a selection of over 1000 new and old games ( including arcade ones). So whats better now $240/year or $120 a yearadamosmaki
Since some console owners dont understand is pointless to build $300 gaming pc since the pc will be used for alot more things besides gaming and is pretty much a necessity in every house and also dont undrestand gaming on pc is cheaper due to 1. cheaper games ( usually $20 or 20 euros cheaper) 2. great free games like trackmania 3. Mods that can extend the longetivity of a game thus needing less games to satisfy your gaming need still i'm gonna build you a pc for $300
note- this is only for gaming so dont tell that i didnt use a dvd writer or my hd is small or something similar because the TC said the pc will be used just for gaming
M/b-Msi g31 $47
Cpu-intel 5200 dual core $64
Gpu-Ati 4670 $55 after mail in rebate
Case-Apex $24
PSU-Pc power and cooling 370W $40( one of the best brands and also 80plus certified)
Hard disk-western digital 160gb $40
OS-windows 7 is free until may next year
Dvd writer-pioneer $18
Ram-Crucial 2gb $24
Total $312 ( you want it exactly 300 exchange hard disk with an 80gb one save $5-6 exchangethe case with a $5-6 cheaper one and you got one with same performance for exactly 300)
Now that pc can run all multiplatform games that are on consoles at max settings at 720p at 60fps ( in fact it wont have trouble running them at even 1680x1050 mostly max settings)
^^^
A lot of those parts are better than 360/ps3 parts. Except maybe CPU compared to PS3, but its hard to compare. Different architecture and stuff.
A 299 PC? Thats the defintion of crap right there/bronxxbombersI could build a 299 PC better than a 360 and PS3 put together. People overprice PC components waaaay too much. Mainly cos they don't know what they're buying so they just buy expensive parts.
[QUOTE="adamosmaki"]Gametap you can use it no matter if you live in US or if you live in katmantu. From what i know gamefly is available only in US and certainly is not available in my country so gamefly is a fail for me and probably 3/4 of the gaming world. Also gametap you can play all 1041 games in a month for $10 can you do that in gamefly? "Users must have a broadband connection and cannot browse the internet while disconnected from internet" so internet is fail ( see what i did there) GameTap is still gimped, unless you can play every new released PC gaming whats the point in bragging about it. With Gamefly, you can play every PS3 game, new or old, not just certain ones. And 3/4 of the world doesn't own a console or a PC for that matter and we're talking about gaming, which for the PS3 doesn't require an internet connection so that analogy is phail-boat lol I said 3/4( if not more actually) of the GAMING world. Whats the point of gamefly if i cant use it and most GAMING world cant use it Also because i cant play every pc game on gametap means its gimped. No is not you know what is gimped? gamefly which is only available to US. Also neither does a pc requires an internet for gaming ( unless you buy steam games)[QUOTE="Vadamee"] Wow some crappy online gaming download service w/a cherry picked list of new and old PC games, whereas with Gamefly, every upcoming game is guaranteed to be available. "Users must have a broadband connection, and cannot play GameTap games while disconnected from the Internet." /failVadamee
M/b-Msi g31 $47
Cpu-intel 5200 dual core $64
Gpu-Ati 4670 $55 after mail in rebate
Case-Apex $24
PSU-Pc power and cooling 370W $40( one of the best brands and also 80plus certified)
Hard disk-western digital 160gb $40
OS-windows 7 is free until may next year
Dvd writer-pioneer $18
Ram-Crucial 2gb $24
adamosmaki
People are going to point out it hasn't got a monitor, even though they expect to get the HDTV thrown in with the console for free.
That said even if it is possible to get it into that price range why would you want to? What sets PC apart technology wise is the sheer hardware performance, you could run every cross platform game at 1920x1200 with a mid range rig and it wouldn't cost a bomb either.
I don't see why we should hack ourselves down to their level, they only try to force PC into that price range because they are fanboys who just happen to have a budget exactly at console pricing.
This is like saying Taco Bell is a better deal because you can get a burrito for 99c. The quality is terrible but if you just spend a few more dollars, you can get a burrito with fresh and delicious ingredients. Basically, I'm saying that if you buy a 700$ PC, you're getting more for your money than a 300$ PS3 especiallly when you consider concole game prices.
The two things at the same price aren't comparible because old PC parts (which would be necessary to get technology as far back as 2006) aren't sold anymore nor are they proportionate to their performance.
[QUOTE="adamosmaki"]
M/b-Msi g31 $47
Cpu-intel 5200 dual core $64
Gpu-Ati 4670 $55 after mail in rebate
Case-Apex $24
PSU-Pc power and cooling 370W $40( one of the best brands and also 80plus certified)
Hard disk-western digital 160gb $40
OS-windows 7 is free until may next year
Dvd writer-pioneer $18
Ram-Crucial 2gb $24
AnnoyedDragon
People are going to point out it hasn't got a monitor, even though they expect to get the HDTV thrown in with the console for free.
That said even if it is possible to get it into that price range why would you want to? What sets PC apart technology wise is the sheer hardware performance, you could run every cross platform game at 1920x1200 with a mid range rig and it wouldn't cost a bomb either.
I don't see why we should hack ourselves down to their level, they only try to force PC into that price range because they are fanboys who just happen to have a budget exactly at console pricing.
I know is pointless to build a $300 pc where as you can build a much more powerfull and way more future proofpc for $500-700 but seems some consolites dont get that the pc is a necessity thus giving an extra 100-200 to make it a gaming pc is cheaper than buying a new console so i went and build a decent $300 pc so that finally this thread will dieA burrito is NOT the same as a PC. When will people stop making dumb references like this. The PC that adamosmaki made above, would be fine for several years, like 10?!?!? Sure, the HDD needs upgrading, but thats cheap, and you wouldn't be able to play the latests games as max setting, but will still look better than 360/ps3This is like saying Taco Bell is a better deal because you can get a burrito for 99c. The quality is terrible but if you just spend a few more dollars, you can get a burrito with fresh and delicious ingredients. Basically, I'm saying that if you buy a 700$ PC, you're getting more for your money than a 300$ PC especiallly when you consider concole game prices.
Nokanhav
[QUOTE="Nokanhav"]A burrito is NOT the same as a PC. When will people stop making dumb references like this. The PC that adamosmaki made above, would be fine for several years, like 10?!?!? Sure, the HDD needs upgrading, but thats cheap, and you wouldn't be able to play the latests games as max setting, but will still look better than 360/ps3This is like saying Taco Bell is a better deal because you can get a burrito for 99c. The quality is terrible but if you just spend a few more dollars, you can get a burrito with fresh and delicious ingredients. Basically, I'm saying that if you buy a 700$ PC, you're getting more for your money than a 300$ PC especiallly when you consider concole game prices.
tirralirra
I'm sorry your small mind can't see the similarities.
[QUOTE="tirralirra"][QUOTE="Nokanhav"]
This is like saying Taco Bell is a better deal because you can get a burrito for 99c. The quality is terrible but if you just spend a few more dollars, you can get a burrito with fresh and delicious ingredients. Basically, I'm saying that if you buy a 700$ PC, you're getting more for your money than a 300$ PC especiallly when you consider concole game prices.
A burrito is NOT the same as a PC. When will people stop making dumb references like this. The PC that adamosmaki made above, would be fine for several years, like 10?!?!? Sure, the HDD needs upgrading, but thats cheap, and you wouldn't be able to play the latests games as max setting, but will still look better than 360/ps3I'm sorry your small mind can't see the similarities.
Oh, I'm sorry. Next time I buy a burrito, i'll buy a fresh, expensive one so i can keep it in the fridge for longer![QUOTE="Nokanhav"][QUOTE="tirralirra"] A burrito is NOT the same as a PC. When will people stop making dumb references like this. The PC that adamosmaki made above, would be fine for several years, like 10?!?!? Sure, the HDD needs upgrading, but thats cheap, and you wouldn't be able to play the latests games as max setting, but will still look better than 360/ps3tirralirra
I'm sorry your small mind can't see the similarities.
Oh, I'm sorry. Next time I buy a burrito, i'll buy a fresh, expensive one so i can keep it in the fridge for longer!1) You don't just buy a more expensive burritor for the lasting value. It tastes better, is actually not bad for you (cheap ingredients can be bad for your health), and comes with much more food and probably a side of chips.
2) It's a comparison. If you look at it logically, it makes perfect sense. If you get stupid and try to make it fix in every possible way (which is idiotic) then ............
[QUOTE="tirralirra"][QUOTE="Nokanhav"]
I'm sorry your small mind can't see the similarities.
Oh, I'm sorry. Next time I buy a burrito, i'll buy a fresh, expensive one so i can keep it in the fridge for longer!1) You don't just buy a more expensive burritor for the lasting value. It tastes better, is actually not bad for you (cheap ingredients can be bad for your health), and comes with much more food and probably a side of chips.
2) It's a comparison. If you look at it logically, it makes perfect sense. If you get stupid and try to make it fix in every possible way (which is idiotic) then ............
Ok, so what you're saying is, the pastry is the shell, the meat is the CPU, and the salad is the GPU and the sauce is the RAM. The only similarity you have made between the burrito and the PC is the price. What YOU'RE saying is, the more pay, the more money's worth you get. And to make yourself sound more intelligent (please not the use of the word 'sound') is by trying to reference a PC to something else, something completely different, say...a burrito? Even though you thought your comparison was 'logical', but rather, you overcomplicated your rather flawless argument with a mere burrito. Congratulations!I could build a 299 PC better than a 360 and PS3 put together. People overprice PC components waaaay too much. Mainly cos they don't know what they're buying so they just buy expensive parts. No you couldn't. The rig he just put together is extremely mediocre. It'll run all multi platform games? Will Far cry 2 or Grand Theft Auto 4 even boot up with that piece of crap? I've built my share of PCs, and $300 is going to get you crap on a stick. That being said, PC gaming is better. You get what you pay for.^^^
A lot of those parts are better than 360/ps3 parts. Except maybe CPU compared to PS3, but its hard to compare. Different architecture and stuff.
[QUOTE="bronxxbombers"]A 299 PC? Thats the defintion of crap right there/tirralirra
^^^
A lot of those parts are better than 360/ps3 parts. Except maybe CPU compared to PS3, but its hard to compare. Different architecture and stuff.
A 299 PC? Thats the defintion of crap right there/bronxxbombersI could build a 299 PC better than a 360 and PS3 put together. People overprice PC components waaaay too much. Mainly cos they don't know what they're buying so they just buy expensive parts. No you couldn't. The rig he just put together is extremely mediocre. It'll run all multi platform games? Will Far cry 2 or Grand Theft Auto 4 even boot up with that piece of crap? I've built my share of PCs, and $300 is going to get you crap on a stick. That being said, PC gaming is better. You get what you pay for. I'm not sure how demanding GTA4 is, far cry 2 might be a struggle, but im not sure if FC2 is CPU intensive or GPU. Cos the GPU on that rig is pretty good, should cope with most games, the CPU is a little lower end but still alright. Like i said before, that rig will run most games on medium-low settings, which will still look better than 360/PS3. Maybe struggle with new games though. But then again, it'll play Zeno Clash perfectly fine, new game, better than a lot of console games.
1) Taco Bell forces you to pay cheaply for low quality ingredients > Consoles give you older technology for a cheaper price
2) Other places make you pay more for higher quality ingredients > PC parts aren't sold as cheaply because the older 2006 technology are discontinued.
There's a lot more but hopefully you get the jist of it. I've wasted enough time on you. Honestly, it sounds like you've never seen a comparison before. The only way that would be possible is if you dropped out of school ... oh .. I see :D
[QUOTE="urdead18"][QUOTE="tirralirra"] I could build a 299 PC better than a 360 and PS3 put together. People overprice PC components waaaay too much. Mainly cos they don't know what they're buying so they just buy expensive parts.No you couldn't. The rig he just put together is extremely mediocre. It'll run all multi platform games? Will Far cry 2 or Grand Theft Auto 4 even boot up with that piece of crap? I've built my share of PCs, and $300 is going to get you crap on a stick. That being said, PC gaming is better. You get what you pay for. I'm not sure how demanding GTA4 is, far cry 2 might be a struggle, but im not sure if FC2 is CPU intensive or GPU. Cos the GPU on that rig is pretty good, should cope with most games, the CPU is a little lower end but still alright. Like i said before, that rig will run most games on medium-low settings, which will still look better than 360/PS3. Maybe struggle with new games though. But then again, it'll play Zeno Clash perfectly fine, new game, better than a lot of console games.tirralirra
If you've got $299 to spend, get a PS3. Simple as that. If you want to get the best you can buy, buy a $800 or so PC. I've got both and love both, and Far Cry 2 on PS3/360 looks much better than Far Cry 2 on Low/Medium on PC.
Also, you get exclusive games like Uncharted 2/Killzone 2/God of War 3 or Forza/Halo/Gears if you get a 360. There's really no point in buying a $300 PC unless you're going to use it for homework.
I'm not sure how demanding GTA4 is, far cry 2 might be a struggle, but im not sure if FC2 is CPU intensive or GPU. Cos the GPU on that rig is pretty good, should cope with most games, the CPU is a little lower end but still alright. Like i said before, that rig will run most games on medium-low settings, which will still look better than 360/PS3. Maybe struggle with new games though. But then again, it'll play Zeno Clash perfectly fine, new game, better than a lot of console games.[QUOTE="tirralirra"][QUOTE="urdead18"] No you couldn't. The rig he just put together is extremely mediocre. It'll run all multi platform games? Will Far cry 2 or Grand Theft Auto 4 even boot up with that piece of crap? I've built my share of PCs, and $300 is going to get you crap on a stick. That being said, PC gaming is better. You get what you pay for.urdead18
If you've got $299 to spend, get a PS3. Simple as that. If you want to get the best you can buy, buy a $800 or so PC. I've got both and love both, and Far Cry 2 on PS3/360 looks much better than Far Cry 2 on Low/Medium on PC.
Also, you get exclusive games like Uncharted 2/Killzone 2/God of War 3 or Forza/Halo/Gears if you get a 360. There's really no point in buying a $300 PC unless you're going to use it for homework.
I disagree im afraid. Of course, if you wanna keep ahead of all the new games, either get the PS3 or build a better PC. But people seem to forget about all the good games that were on PC before shooters got big on consoles. Dues Ex is a perfect example. Classic, timeless, still one of the best games around. Now, to Nokanhav. 1. Consoles give you newer technology athat have been stripped down a lot more, therefore making them cheaper. Of course, this tech soon grows old, but when consoles are first released, they are almost on par with more PCs. There better than more PCs when Sony/MS are developing their consoles. Also, i dunno if you mean for your 'greater than' sign to mean, 'greater than' or '='. Who's not gone to school now, but hey, being a cynic isn't right right? Your second point seems to be saying, higher quality prices = discontinued parts. Can we stop with the burrito references now, they're not even funny anymore. I know what your saying, just stop comparing things with burritos! And you're right, i've never seen someone try and compared gaming technology to burrito ingredients. Maybe there's a reason why...[QUOTE="adamosmaki"]
M/b-Msi g31 $47
Cpu-intel 5200 dual core $64
Gpu-Ati 4670 $55 after mail in rebate
Case-Apex $24
PSU-Pc power and cooling 370W $40( one of the best brands and also 80plus certified)
Hard disk-western digital 160gb $40
OS-windows 7 is free until may next year
Dvd writer-pioneer $18
Ram-Crucial 2gb $24
People are going to point out it hasn't got a monitor, even though they expect to get the HDTV thrown in with the console for free.
That said even if it is possible to get it into that price range why would you want to? What sets PC apart technology wise is the sheer hardware performance, you could run every cross platform game at 1920x1200 with a mid range rig and it wouldn't cost a bomb either.
I don't see why we should hack ourselves down to their level, they only try to force PC into that price range because they are fanboys who just happen to have a budget exactly at console pricing.
You do have a point, not to mention the fact a computer is well...A COMPUTER, it does more than just games....Last I checked...:PFor me the price of a PC is totally irrelevant. Show me a PS3, at any price that can do what my PC does aswell as play amazing games at graphical levels the PS3 just cannot reach. I could list 100 things i use my PC for. I can name just 2 i use my PS3 for. I would feel pretty cheated if my PS3 didn't cost much less than my PC.
Really, you cow's are scraping the bottom of the barrel these days.
I didn't think it could be done, but wow, we can have $300 gaming rigs. Mine always came to just over $400-500, but damn, I should try using windows 7 for my next rig.
Ask yourself: if consoles are so cheap, then how come they're popular only in the few richest countries, while PCgaming dominates everywhere else?
AdrianWerner
Thats a pretty good damn point, right there. Something alot of US console-centric gamers usually miss. The PC is the dominant platform everywhere else (except for Japan prolly, for obvious reasons).
The best thing about a PC is that its flexible and versatile and its totally up to the gamer's choice. It can be as expensive(and as powerful) as one can hope to be or it can also cater to those with a really tight budget. You may not hope to play the newest or upcoming games with a 300 bucks pc but the backlog of PC games are GINORMOUS, though.
For me the price of a PC is totally irrelevant. Show me a PS3, at any price that can do what my PC does aswell as play amazing games at graphical levels the PS3 just cannot reach. I could list 100 things i use my PC for. I can name just 2 i use my PS3 for. I would feel pretty cheated if my PS3 didn't cost much less than my PC.
Really, you cow's are scraping the bottom of the barrel these days.
Frozzik
Well I can install Linux on my ps3 and play games for $299. so I can do most of what you stated if not all, but I hate linux and I will continue to use Windows :P
I'd still get the 299 buck PC over the 299 PS3. Hell, I'd take an 800 buck PC over a 200 buck PS3 (assuming such a thing exists). Why? I'd have access to about 7 times more exclusives. :|
Also, for those who bring up the "everybody has a TV so let's discount it because I'll lose if we don't, but let's keep the monitor cost and create a logical double standard 'cause I'm a fanboy" point, keep in mind that:
a) - PCs are also at the "required to complete home entertainment" status. Which means that if you want to discount the TV, you have to discount the price of just about the entire PC minus video card, RAM and CPU. :)
b) - You can use your TV as a display, so there's no point in arguing that you NEED a monitor.
c) - Elaboration on point C, there's a good chance that anyone who looks at PC gaming already HAS a PC, and thus only has to upgrade. Which, again, makes the idea of having the FULL price of the PC required a rather moronic piece of logic.
Then there's the icing on the cake - even if the PC costed four times more (which it doesn't, unless you like to look for insanely high prices for no good reason and ignore everything that could possibly be easier on your wallet), it still has vastly more value than the PS3. It does pretty much every function outside of gaming far better than any console, and when you consider factors such as considerably better graphics, mods, and just about any other point the hermits have made on those issues for the past 10 years, you'll realize that the PC is, on paper, a vastly superior gaming machine per dollar.
At the end of the day, discussions like this are pointless, fruitless and incredibly easy to counter. "Name me a $300 PC that can play blahblahblah at wahwahwah settings", you ask? Well, name me a $750 PS3 that can run Bioshock on Max.
[QUOTE="Frozzik"]
For me the price of a PC is totally irrelevant. Show me a PS3, at any price that can do what my PC does aswell as play amazing games at graphical levels the PS3 just cannot reach. I could list 100 things i use my PC for. I can name just 2 i use my PS3 for. I would feel pretty cheated if my PS3 didn't cost much less than my PC.
Really, you cow's are scraping the bottom of the barrel these days.
bigblunt537
Well I can install Linux on my ps3 and play games for $299. so I can do most of what you stated if not all, but I hate linux and I will continue to use Windows :P
ROFL, you cows really make me laugh. OK, You go install Linux m8. Have fun. Me? ~I'll stick with my PC for all the DVD authering i do, the Pic editing and printing and so on and so on. I'll also play all the amazing games i love that can only be played on PC. Hey i also own a PS3 so i can do all you do too.
[QUOTE="bigblunt537"]
[QUOTE="Frozzik"]
For me the price of a PC is totally irrelevant. Show me a PS3, at any price that can do what my PC does aswell as play amazing games at graphical levels the PS3 just cannot reach. I could list 100 things i use my PC for. I can name just 2 i use my PS3 for. I would feel pretty cheated if my PS3 didn't cost much less than my PC.
Really, you cow's are scraping the bottom of the barrel these days.
Frozzik
Well I can install Linux on my ps3 and play games for $299. so I can do most of what you stated if not all, but I hate linux and I will continue to use Windows :P
ROFL, you cows really make me laugh. OK, You go install Linux m8. Have fun. Me? ~I'll stick with my PC for all the DVD authering i do, the Pic editing and printing and so on and so on. I'll also play all the amazing games i love that can only be played on PC. Hey i also own a PS3 so i can do all you do too.
Awesome so i'm a cow for proving your statement wrong? Wow sometimes I think fanboys are the worst type of people in this world. No common sense. Well i own a gaming pc as well, but to state a pc at 299 would be better than a 299 ps3 because the ps3 doesn't have the capabilities of a pc is wrong. The ps3 CAN be your pc if you would like it to be. Tell me what a 299 PC can do that a ps3 can't do if linux isn't installed? And don't tell me play games because a $299 pc definitely wont be able to play games at any decent frame rate(new titles)
[QUOTE="Frozzik"]
[QUOTE="bigblunt537"]
Well I can install Linux on my ps3 and play games for $299. so I can do most of what you stated if not all, but I hate linux and I will continue to use Windows :P
bigblunt537
ROFL, you cows really make me laugh. OK, You go install Linux m8. Have fun. Me? ~I'll stick with my PC for all the DVD authering i do, the Pic editing and printing and so on and so on. I'll also play all the amazing games i love that can only be played on PC. Hey i also own a PS3 so i can do all you do too.
Awesome so i'm a cow for proving your statement wrong? Wow sometimes I think fanboys are the worst type of people in this world. No common sense. Well i own a gaming pc as well, but to state a pc at 299 would be better than a 299 ps3 because the ps3 doesn't have the capabilities of a pc is wrong. The ps3 CAN be your pc if you would like it to be. Tell me what a 299 PC can do that a ps3 can't do if linux isn't installed? And don't tell me play games because a $299 pc definitely wont be able to play games at any decent frame rate(new titles)
No. It can't. It's almost totally inept as a PC.
[QUOTE="Frozzik"]
[QUOTE="bigblunt537"]
Well I can install Linux on my ps3 and play games for $299. so I can do most of what you stated if not all, but I hate linux and I will continue to use Windows :P
bigblunt537
ROFL, you cows really make me laugh. OK, You go install Linux m8. Have fun. Me? ~I'll stick with my PC for all the DVD authering i do, the Pic editing and printing and so on and so on. I'll also play all the amazing games i love that can only be played on PC. Hey i also own a PS3 so i can do all you do too.
Awesome so i'm a cow for proving your statement wrong? Wow sometimes I think fanboys are the worst type of people in this world. No common sense. Well i own a gaming pc as well, but to state a pc at 299 would be better than a 299 ps3 because the ps3 doesn't have the capabilities of a pc is wrong. The ps3 CAN be your pc if you would like it to be. Tell me what a 299 PC can do that a ps3 can't do if linux isn't installed? And don't tell me play games because a $299 pc definitely wont be able to play games at any decent frame rate(new titles)
Let me ask YOU this, how many people out there could actually install Linux on their PS3 and know how to use it and then do all the things, like author and burn home movies, use Photoshop or the 100 other window's programs around on that PS3. I can do all those things easliy on my PC, even my gran could or my 6 yr old daughter can do alot of it too. Could they install Linux on a PS3? i highly doubt it. Could you do most all the thing a PC could whilst playing games? on your Ps3? Show me a PS3 converting a 2 hour home movie using a good authoring program with screen transitions and menu's whilst a web browser is open, downloading music from I tunes whilst playing a game...............Go on.
[QUOTE="Frozzik"]
For me the price of a PC is totally irrelevant. Show me a PS3, at any price that can do what my PC does aswell as play amazing games at graphical levels the PS3 just cannot reach. I could list 100 things i use my PC for. I can name just 2 i use my PS3 for. I would feel pretty cheated if my PS3 didn't cost much less than my PC.
Really, you cow's are scraping the bottom of the barrel these days.
bigblunt537
Well I can install Linux on my ps3 and play games for $299. so I can do most of what you stated if not all, but I hate linux and I will continue to use Windows :P
Have fun trying to do something as simple as burning a data DVD using ps3+linux
Besides didnt sony removed Linux support from the $300 model we are arquing here? Oh yes i think it did
It wouldn't be hard to build a $300 PC that can run games better then the PS3. Hardware is dirt cheap these days...
I can do so much more with a 299 PC then with a 299 PS3
Why is this still here?
They cancel out each other.
What if the person chooses to go with renting games, Gamefly, buying used games, or using Ebay? T_T Not everyone buys games retail and it's easy to get console games for the same price as PC games...the "Console games make the price just as high as a gaming PC argument" doesn't hold 100% truth.that would be extremely hard to do. However....this is theoretical...unless you don't actualy intend to play any games on PS3 or PC. Because considering that PS3 games retail for about 25-30 dollars more than PC ones here in Europe, the "cheapness" of PS3 seems more like a clever con designed to lure you into overpaying each time you buy a game, ultimately making you pay a lot more than PC costed
AdrianWerner
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