So when Xbox One fails miserably...

What MS will do ? What is your scenario ?

I think it certainly will benefit PC gamers because MS will suddenly remember that it has a second child.

Will MS release all X1 exclusives on PC ? Will MS start developing games for Windows again ?

Or it will set itself in denial mode and will continue to pour money into a failed experiment ?

How many copies X1 needs to sell so as not to be considered a total flop, to be considered a niche console ?

10 M units ? 20 ?

Will PC become even stronger if MS turns toward it again ?

The X1 wont fail in any sense of the word. MS have teh moneh.

They will pay more & more money to lock up multiplats or buyout PC exclusives to be XB1 exclusive...it's a sad truth but that's their last ditch effort.

The X1 wont fail in any sense of the word. MS have teh moneh.

always_explicit

X1 vs PS4 POLLS show the opposite. X1 won´t be saved by xbox fans in the same how WiiU wasn´t saved by nintendo fans. 

They wont fail miserably because MS has a bottomless pit of money for advertising. They will reach millions of people who have no idea about any of the negative things about the XB1. Moms, dads, grandparents, new games, or gamers that dont travel in our circles. Sony just does not have the raw cash anymore to be able to do a scorch the earth campaign like MS can.

MS showed up at bestbuy stores during nintendos big unveiling of new games to ambush people coming http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/06/microsoft-employees-ambush-wii-u-best-buy-events-to-promote-xbox-one/

And they are setting up xbox one stores inside a bunch of bestbuy stores http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/14/microsoft-opening-stores-inside-600-best-buy-outlets-to-promote-xbox-one/

Thats only the start.

Only way they will feel anything is if the real gamers reach more non gamers to let them know about the XB1 and why it is very anti customer base and to contact publishers/developers to let them know they will support the PS4.

Then, SEGA ... RIIISE!

What MS will do ? What is your scenario ?

I think it certainly will benefit PC gamers because MS will suddenly remember that it has a second child.

Will MS release all X1 exclusives on PC ? Will MS start developing games for Windows again ?

Or it will set itself in denial mode and will continue to pour money into a failed experiment ?

How many copies X1 needs to sell so as not to be considered a total flop, to be considered a niche console ?

10 M units ? 20 ?

Will PC become even stronger if MS turns toward it again ?

jhonMalcovich

If the X1 fails I doubt it will be a boon for PC gamers unless they have a paradigm shift in their business plan.  They abandoned PC gaming a long time ago and despite their reassurances that they are going to invest more in it, it's very unlikely they will to the amount that would make a difference.  The burned their bridges by dismantling their best PC development groups.

They wont fail miserably because MS has a bottomless pit of money for advertising. They will reach millions of people who have no idea about any of the negative things about the XB1. Moms, dads, grandparents, new games, or gamers that dont travel in our circles. Sony just does not have the raw cash anymore to be able to do a scorch the earth campaign like MS can.

 

MS showed up at bestbuy stores during nintendos big unveiling of new games to ambush people coming http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/06/microsoft-employees-ambush-wii-u-best-buy-events-to-promote-xbox-one/

 

And they are setting up xbox one stores inside a bunch of bestbuy stores http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/14/microsoft-opening-stores-inside-600-best-buy-outlets-to-promote-xbox-one/

 

Thats only the start.

 

Only way they will feel anything is if the real gamers reach more non gamers to let them know about the XB1 and why it is very anti customer base and to contact publishers/developers to let them know they will support the PS4.

Gargus

I don´t know if there is any corporation that can afford to lose money indefinitely. I mean, in some moment, teh money will be cut off by shareholders.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

What MS will do ? What is your scenario ?

I think it certainly will benefit PC gamers because MS will suddenly remember that it has a second child.

Will MS release all X1 exclusives on PC ? Will MS start developing games for Windows again ?

Or it will set itself in denial mode and will continue to pour money into a failed experiment ?

How many copies X1 needs to sell so as not to be considered a total flop, to be considered a niche console ?

10 M units ? 20 ?

Will PC become even stronger if MS turns toward it again ?

menes777

If the X1 fails I doubt it will be a boon for PC gamers unless they have a paradigm shift in their business plan.  They abandoned PC gaming a long time ago and despite their reassurances that they are going to invest more in it, it's very unlikely they will to the amount that would make a difference.  The burned their bridges by dismantling their best PC development groups.

But what they gonna do the whole gen? 8 years is a lot of time. They will have to recover money eventually in some way. At least part of it.

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The X1 wont fail in any sense of the word. MS have teh moneh.

jhonMalcovich

X1 vs PS4 POLLS show the opposite. X1 won´t be saved by xbox fans in the same how WiiU wasn´t saved by nintendo fans. 

[QUOTE="Gargus"]

They wont fail miserably because MS has a bottomless pit of money for advertising. They will reach millions of people who have no idea about any of the negative things about the XB1. Moms, dads, grandparents, new games, or gamers that dont travel in our circles. Sony just does not have the raw cash anymore to be able to do a scorch the earth campaign like MS can.

 

MS showed up at bestbuy stores during nintendos big unveiling of new games to ambush people coming http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/06/microsoft-employees-ambush-wii-u-best-buy-events-to-promote-xbox-one/

 

And they are setting up xbox one stores inside a bunch of bestbuy stores http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/14/microsoft-opening-stores-inside-600-best-buy-outlets-to-promote-xbox-one/

 

Thats only the start.

 

Only way they will feel anything is if the real gamers reach more non gamers to let them know about the XB1 and why it is very anti customer base and to contact publishers/developers to let them know they will support the PS4.

jhonMalcovich

I don´t know if there is any corporation that can afford to lose money indefinitely. I mean, in some moment, teh money will be cut off by shareholders.

In terms of money MS is a giant.  They have revenue sources from Windows, Office, Servers, DB engines, services, .... So many that they are can afford to have one that is unprofitable just to retain some market share of that area.

The X1 wont fail in any sense of the word. MS have teh moneh.

always_explicit

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The X1 wont fail in any sense of the word. MS have teh moneh.

Shewgenja

Zune isnt dead, its digital.

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[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

What MS will do ? What is your scenario ?

I think it certainly will benefit PC gamers because MS will suddenly remember that it has a second child.

Will MS release all X1 exclusives on PC ? Will MS start developing games for Windows again ?

Or it will set itself in denial mode and will continue to pour money into a failed experiment ?

How many copies X1 needs to sell so as not to be considered a total flop, to be considered a niche console ?

10 M units ? 20 ?

Will PC become even stronger if MS turns toward it again ?

jhonMalcovich

If the X1 fails I doubt it will be a boon for PC gamers unless they have a paradigm shift in their business plan.  They abandoned PC gaming a long time ago and despite their reassurances that they are going to invest more in it, it's very unlikely they will to the amount that would make a difference.  The burned their bridges by dismantling their best PC development groups.

But what they gonna do the whole gen? 8 years is a lot of time. They will have to recover money eventually in some way. At least part of it.

I think in terms of recouping their money I think they will at least do that.  There are plenty of Xbots (and Xbots to be) that will pay the initial bills.  Although MS is going to want a cash cow for the long haul.  I still think that the Sony is easily going to dominate MS this gen with MS and Ninty being the bottom two, unless Ninty can pull it's head out of it's ass and push through some exclusives.  Sony is finally able to finally get some breaks at the right time and play it smart.  MS can't see to stop shooting itself in the foot with many moves that are making consumers unhappy.  If Ninty can get it together they could steam roll MS and put them in 4th place.  But again they will make some money, just not a much as they would like to have made.

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[QUOTE="always_explicit"]

The X1 wont fail in any sense of the word. MS have teh moneh.

always_explicit

X1 vs PS4 POLLS show the opposite. X1 won´t be saved by xbox fans in the same how WiiU wasn´t saved by nintendo fans. 

There's a difference between failing financially and failing the console war friend. :) XBOX One will take a back seat this generation to the mighty PS4 just like the XBOX Classic did to the PS2. That's how it will fail.  All the money in the world wont save it from being losing the competition. 

hopefully they will do what sony did.

learn a valuable lesson and conduct business differently.

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[QUOTE="always_explicit"]

The X1 wont fail in any sense of the word. MS have teh moneh.

always_explicit

X1 vs PS4 POLLS show the opposite. X1 won´t be saved by xbox fans in the same how WiiU wasn´t saved by nintendo fans. 

Sony poured quite a bit of money into the PS3.  One of the biggest mistakes they made was being the highest priced console out there.  Now MS is making that same mistake and is not making it very attractive either.  All the advertising money in the world can't break angst caused by the internet.  If MS were smart it would retract many of it's unpopular features while they still can rather than just trying to force customers into excepting it (on top of a price drop).

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[QUOTE="menes777"]

If the X1 fails I doubt it will be a boon for PC gamers unless they have a paradigm shift in their business plan.  They abandoned PC gaming a long time ago and despite their reassurances that they are going to invest more in it, it's very unlikely they will to the amount that would make a difference.  The burned their bridges by dismantling their best PC development groups.

menes777

But what they gonna do the whole gen? 8 years is a lot of time. They will have to recover money eventually in some way. At least part of it.

I think in terms of recouping their money I think they will at least do that.  There are plenty of Xbots (and Xbots to be) that will pay the initial bills.  Although MS is going to want a cash cow for the long haul.  I still think that the Sony is easily going to dominate MS this gen with MS and Ninty being the bottom two, unless Ninty can pull it's head out of it's ass and push through some exclusives.  Sony is finally able to finally get some breaks at the right time and play it smart.  MS can't see to stop shooting itself in the foot with many moves that are making consumers unhappy.  If Ninty can get it together they could steam roll MS and put them in 4th place.  But again they will make some money, just not a much as they would like to have made.

Shall not forget that MS will release Kinnekt on PC, too. So I consider that move as a sign that MS may consider PC as a retreat platform if X1 sales aren´t enough. I mean, why would you release Kinnect on PC if you don´t plan to release Kinnect games on PC ?

Another suspicious move is Sony´s. I heard rumors that Sony plans to release their new controller on PC as well. To release oficially, like xbox360 usb controller,

[QUOTE="always_explicit"][QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

X1 vs PS4 POLLS show the opposite. X1 won´t be saved by xbox fans in the same how WiiU wasn´t saved by nintendo fans. 

Crossel777

There's a difference between failing financially and failing the console war friend. :) XBOX One will take a back seat this generation to the mighty PS4 just like the XBOX Classic did to the PS2. That's how it will fail.  All the money in the world wont save it from being losing the competition. 

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[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

But what they gonna do the whole gen? 8 years is a lot of time. They will have to recover money eventually in some way. At least part of it.

jhonMalcovich

I think in terms of recouping their money I think they will at least do that.  There are plenty of Xbots (and Xbots to be) that will pay the initial bills.  Although MS is going to want a cash cow for the long haul.  I still think that the Sony is easily going to dominate MS this gen with MS and Ninty being the bottom two, unless Ninty can pull it's head out of it's ass and push through some exclusives.  Sony is finally able to finally get some breaks at the right time and play it smart.  MS can't see to stop shooting itself in the foot with many moves that are making consumers unhappy.  If Ninty can get it together they could steam roll MS and put them in 4th place.  But again they will make some money, just not a much as they would like to have made.

Shall not forget that MS will release Kinnekt on PC, too. So I consider that move as a sign that MS may consider PC as a retreat platform if X1 sales aren´t enough. I mean, why would you release Kinnect on PC if you don´t plan to release Kinnect games on PC ?

Another suspicious move is Sony´s. I heard rumors that Sony plans to release their new controller on PC as well. Oficially.

That's one way to look at it and you might be right.  They could be planning PC as a fallback option.  Historically though they have shyed away from PC because the opportunity for revenue isn't as high as it is with the console.  To me releasing the Kinect on the PC is just another revenue stream for them.  They know there is a market in PC for the Kinect (due to modders) and they are going to try and expand it.  

Not saying if you are right that it wouldn't be good.  I think it could be a boon for PC gamers.  In fact if things really went south for MS and they did start seriuosly reinvesting in PC that could be a huge boon for PC gamers.  I am just more guarded about MS because they tend to focus on what makes them stronger not necessarily what makes their fans happy.

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[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

But what they gonna do the whole gen? 8 years is a lot of time. They will have to recover money eventually in some way. At least part of it.

jhonMalcovich

I think in terms of recouping their money I think they will at least do that.  There are plenty of Xbots (and Xbots to be) that will pay the initial bills.  Although MS is going to want a cash cow for the long haul.  I still think that the Sony is easily going to dominate MS this gen with MS and Ninty being the bottom two, unless Ninty can pull it's head out of it's ass and push through some exclusives.  Sony is finally able to finally get some breaks at the right time and play it smart.  MS can't see to stop shooting itself in the foot with many moves that are making consumers unhappy.  If Ninty can get it together they could steam roll MS and put them in 4th place.  But again they will make some money, just not a much as they would like to have made.

Shall not forget that MS will release Kinnekt on PC, too. So I consider that move as a sign that MS may consider PC as a retreat platform if X1 sales aren´t enough. I mean, why would you release Kinnect on PC if you don´t plan to release Kinnect games on PC ?

Another suspicious move is Sony´s. I heard rumors that Sony plans to release their new controller on PC as well. To release oficially, like xbox360 usb controller,

The official controller from Sony will just mean that more games support it right?  Rather than having to use a third party app or the game just happening to support it?

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[QUOTE="always_explicit"] Shall I just repeat what I said without the full stop, maybe it confused you. The X1 wont fail in any sense of the word BECAUSE microsoft have the money. I mentioned nowhere anything to do with polls, we'r talking finance, red and black. Microsoft will make this console work ( I believe it will sell itself ) but if it doesnt...teh moneh will.always_explicit

There's a difference between failing financially and failing the console war friend. :) XBOX One will take a back seat this generation to the mighty PS4 just like the XBOX Classic did to the PS2. That's how it will fail.  All the money in the world wont save it from being losing the competition. 

I wouldn't say they were broke, but they do definitely need to win back more market share to stay in the game.  They don't necessarily need to win, but if they stay in last place most of the gen again (doubtful) there probably won't be a PS5.  They will probably switch to 3rd party and wait it out a gen.

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[QUOTE="menes777"]

I think in terms of recouping their money I think they will at least do that.  There are plenty of Xbots (and Xbots to be) that will pay the initial bills.  Although MS is going to want a cash cow for the long haul.  I still think that the Sony is easily going to dominate MS this gen with MS and Ninty being the bottom two, unless Ninty can pull it's head out of it's ass and push through some exclusives.  Sony is finally able to finally get some breaks at the right time and play it smart.  MS can't see to stop shooting itself in the foot with many moves that are making consumers unhappy.  If Ninty can get it together they could steam roll MS and put them in 4th place.  But again they will make some money, just not a much as they would like to have made.

menes777

Shall not forget that MS will release Kinnekt on PC, too. So I consider that move as a sign that MS may consider PC as a retreat platform if X1 sales aren´t enough. I mean, why would you release Kinnect on PC if you don´t plan to release Kinnect games on PC ?

Another suspicious move is Sony´s. I heard rumors that Sony plans to release their new controller on PC as well. To release oficially, like xbox360 usb controller,

The official controller from Sony will just mean that more games support it right?  Rather than having to use a third party app or the game just happening to support it?

Yep. Probably to support multiplats such as MGS5 and hopefully FF15 (fingers crossed)

What MS will do ? What is your scenario ?

I think it certainly will benefit PC gamers because MS will suddenly remember that it has a second child.

Will MS release all X1 exclusives on PC ? Will MS start developing games for Windows again ?

Or it will set itself in denial mode and will continue to pour money into a failed experiment ?

How many copies X1 needs to sell so as not to be considered a total flop, to be considered a niche console ?

10 M units ? 20 ?

Will PC become even stronger if MS turns toward it again ?

jhonMalcovich

Hopefully they abandon the console market, go third party and reassemble ensemble to make age of mythology 2 #believecampzor

the entire point of the 360 was to not just hand peoples living rooms  over to sony and let them sell them things from their couches unopposed.

the living room as a revenue stream worth billions was the goal all along.

the x1 could be a god awful failure and ms would still not abandon the console market they will just start over at square one if the have to.

the market to sell people crap is just too large.

why do you think ms gives no fvcks about people without internet?

because those people are completely unimportant to the overall goal.

The X1 wont fail in any sense of the word. MS have teh moneh.

always_explicit

just like vista and 8, along with toher fails, because it is teh microsoft right? xD

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What MS will do ? What is your scenario ?

I think it certainly will benefit PC gamers because MS will suddenly remember that it has a second child.

Will MS release all X1 exclusives on PC ? Will MS start developing games for Windows again ?

Or it will set itself in denial mode and will continue to pour money into a failed experiment ?

How many copies X1 needs to sell so as not to be considered a total flop, to be considered a niche console ?

10 M units ? 20 ?

Will PC become even stronger if MS turns toward it again ?

timbers_WSU

have you?

MS pretty much has at least 6 months to talk more about the xbox one and it's weird policies.They are not doomed.

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The X1 wont fail in any sense of the word. MS have teh moneh.

Krelian-co

just like vista and 8, along with toher fails, because it is teh microsoft right? xD

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[QUOTE="always_explicit"]

The X1 wont fail in any sense of the word. MS have teh moneh.

always_explicit

just like vista and 8, along with toher fails, because it is teh microsoft right? xD

[QUOTE="always_explicit"]

The X1 wont fail in any sense of the word. MS have teh moneh.

Shewgenja

What MS will do ? What is your scenario ?

I think it certainly will benefit PC gamers because MS will suddenly remember that it has a second child.

Will MS release all X1 exclusives on PC ? Will MS start developing games for Windows again ?

Or it will set itself in denial mode and will continue to pour money into a failed experiment ?

How many copies X1 needs to sell so as not to be considered a total flop, to be considered a niche console ?

10 M units ? 20 ?

Will PC become even stronger if MS turns toward it again ?

jhonMalcovich

failsafe built in, IPTV, subsidizes with telecoms inbound... not failing, trying to hard.

failsafe built in, IPTV, subsidizes with telecoms inbound... not failing, trying to hard.

Mr720fan

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

failsafe built in, IPTV, subsidizes with telecoms inbound... not failing, trying to hard.

MonsieurX

you already have :lol: :roll: you must E3 on here because you waz mad at your ownage... oh yeah DEALWITHIT

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

failsafe built in, IPTV, subsidizes with telecoms inbound... not failing, trying to hard.

MonsieurX

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

failsafe built in, IPTV, subsidizes with telecoms inbound... not failing, trying to hard.

Mr720fan

you already have :lol: :roll: you must E3 on here because you waz mad at your ownage... oh yeah DEALWITHIT

Then, SEGA ... RIIISE!

TommyBarban

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

failsafe built in, IPTV, subsidizes with telecoms inbound... not failing, trying to hard.

shawn30

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="Gargus"]

They wont fail miserably because MS has a bottomless pit of money for advertising. They will reach millions of people who have no idea about any of the negative things about the XB1. Moms, dads, grandparents, new games, or gamers that dont travel in our circles. Sony just does not have the raw cash anymore to be able to do a scorch the earth campaign like MS can.

 

MS showed up at bestbuy stores during nintendos big unveiling of new games to ambush people coming http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/06/microsoft-employees-ambush-wii-u-best-buy-events-to-promote-xbox-one/

 

And they are setting up xbox one stores inside a bunch of bestbuy stores http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/14/microsoft-opening-stores-inside-600-best-buy-outlets-to-promote-xbox-one/

 

Thats only the start.

 

Only way they will feel anything is if the real gamers reach more non gamers to let them know about the XB1 and why it is very anti customer base and to contact publishers/developers to let them know they will support the PS4.

menes777

I don´t know if there is any corporation that can afford to lose money indefinitely. I mean, in some moment, teh money will be cut off by shareholders.

In terms of money MS is a giant.  They have revenue sources from Windows, Office, Servers, DB engines, services, .... So many that they are can afford to have one that is unprofitable just to retain some market share of that area.

Except nobody is going to do that. Eventually they would just change their business model or do something different. No company is just going to purposely keep losing money in a division just because "other divisions make money". That's rediculous. Eventually they would change their business plan. Look at how radical of change Sony has gone through since about 2009, that was directly in response to the early struggles of the PS3. 

My guess is early on they will just throw money at it like crazy to advertise. So it is basically a battle of advertising $$$ having an effect on sheeples vs. knowledge customers that will more likely stay away until they change policy. I think definitely if they throw enough money at it, it won't be like Wii-U and just sit there on shelves. They proved with Kinect 1.0 that even total garbage can get some sales with a $500 Million ad budget. However I'm not sure that even a massive ad budget is going to overcome some glaring issues with this product, and they probably have to spend so much in adds that it will make the division a money loser... until they change their strategy that is...

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[QUOTE="always_explicit"]

The X1 wont fail in any sense of the word. MS have teh moneh.

always_explicit

just like vista and 8, along with toher fails, because it is teh microsoft right? xD

boundaries of how far people will let their rights taken away by bad marketing? there is nothing innovative about x1, its tech its even lower than ps4 yet it infringes every consumer right. So if your future is having to pay for everything and having to ask permission to corporations to play what you already paid for because they didnt sell it, only lent it to you go ahead.

What MS will do ? What is your scenario ?

I think it certainly will benefit PC gamers because MS will suddenly remember that it has a second child.

Will MS release all X1 exclusives on PC ? Will MS start developing games for Windows again ?

Or it will set itself in denial mode and will continue to pour money into a failed experiment ?

How many copies X1 needs to sell so as not to be considered a total flop, to be considered a niche console ?

10 M units ? 20 ?

Will PC become even stronger if MS turns toward it again ?

jhonMalcovich

"So when Xbox One fails miserably..." LOL. Joke thread...

[QUOTE="always_explicit"][QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

just like vista and 8, along with toher fails, because it is teh microsoft right? xD

Krelian-co

boundaries of how far people will let their rights taken away by bad marketing? there is nothing innovative about x1, its tech its even lower than ps4 yet it infringes every consumer right. So if your future is having to pay for everything and having to ask permission to corporations to play what you already paid for because they didnt sell it, only lent it to you go ahead.

Why is it, then, that every online outlet selling XB1 reports strong sales?

You cows are pathetic.

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

failsafe built in, IPTV, subsidizes with telecoms inbound... not failing, trying to hard.

Mr720fan

you already have :lol: :roll: you must E3 on here because you waz mad at your ownage... oh yeah DEALWITHIT

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

What MS will do ? What is your scenario ?

I think it certainly will benefit PC gamers because MS will suddenly remember that it has a second child.

Will MS release all X1 exclusives on PC ? Will MS start developing games for Windows again ?

Or it will set itself in denial mode and will continue to pour money into a failed experiment ?

How many copies X1 needs to sell so as not to be considered a total flop, to be considered a niche console ?

10 M units ? 20 ?

Will PC become even stronger if MS turns toward it again ?

StormyJoe

"So when Xbox One fails miserably..." LOL. Joke thread...

LOL joke thread my ass. Have you been living under a rock this past month? It's so cute how you guys think MS can just throw ad money at it and make it a success. For you to even want them to win by taking advantage of ignorant shoppers instead of changing their shit policies goes to show how deranged lems are. Are you guys even gamers? Or paid MS shills? No gamer should want what MS is enforcing. Fanboy or not. Pathetic. 

What MS will do ? What is your scenario ?

 

jhonMalcovich

MS pretty much has at least 6 months to talk more about the xbox one and it's weird policies.They are not doomed.

super600