So...Which System "Won" 2014?

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#201  Edited By clr84651
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@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651: too bad, so sad

That criteria of games being the deciding factor to compare systems is BS!

You've proven pretty well in this thread (and others) that your opinion is pretty worthless, so I don't really care

Ya, because of Dumb A** idiots that want to compare the PC to gaming systems that's not in it's same category or league. Why not go for comparing it to handhelds and phones now?! Oh wait, silly me they don't share many of the same game titles. Never mind.

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@clr84651: this has been covered in the thread. Let it go.

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@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651: too bad, so sad

That criteria of games being the deciding factor to compare systems is BS!

Then why have sales been the deciding factor on here for many many years. And where the F*** is the PC representative at E3 and the other gaming shows?!

You mean the machines used to demo nearly every third party game in existence? Yeah I Wonder where they are at e3 *rolls eyes*

BTW: can you give us a reason to include X1 and PS4 as consoles? seeing as they are multimedia machines, I would think the category "blu ray players with added gaming functionality" fits just as well? Seeing as neither live up to the difinition of a "console" seeing as they are built to be multimedia machines.

Strawmen be strawmen, if you are too buthurt that your system of choice did not do well then too bad, too sad.

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#204 hatecalledlove
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Out of the consoles -

Sales - PS4

Games - easily the Wii U. Mario Kart 8 and Smash Brothers alone make this the case. Add in the surprisingly decent Toad Treasure and Hyrule warriors games. Oh and lets not forget Bayonetta 2 and Shovel Knight. What a year for the Wii U game catalog.

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#205  Edited By clr84651
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@Maddie_Larkin said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651: too bad, so sad

That criteria of games being the deciding factor to compare systems is BS!

Then why have sales been the deciding factor on here for many many years. And where the F*** is the PC representative at E3 and the other gaming shows?!

You mean the machines used to demo nearly every third party game in existence? Yeah I Wonder where they are at e3 *rolls eyes*

BTW: can you give us a reason to include X1 and PS4 as consoles? seeing as they are multimedia machines, I would think the category "blu ray players with added gaming functionality" fits just as well? Seeing as neither live up to the difinition of a "console" seeing as they are built to be multimedia machines.

Strawmen be strawmen, if you are too buthurt that your system of choice did not do well then too bad, too sad.

Oh good one! The only thing that PC does the same that consoles do is play disc games. It's different in every other way. Where's the sales of this PC company? A console is a closed loop gaming system built to play games first and foremost by one company. I guess the stand alone PC gaming system just needs to compete somewhere albeit with other gaming systems not in it's same category.

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@clr84651 said:

@Maddie_Larkin said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651: too bad, so sad

That criteria of games being the deciding factor to compare systems is BS!

Then why have sales been the deciding factor on here for many many years. And where the F*** is the PC representative at E3 and the other gaming shows?!

You mean the machines used to demo nearly every third party game in existence? Yeah I Wonder where they are at e3 *rolls eyes*

BTW: can you give us a reason to include X1 and PS4 as consoles? seeing as they are multimedia machines, I would think the category "blu ray players with added gaming functionality" fits just as well? Seeing as neither live up to the difinition of a "console" seeing as they are built to be multimedia machines.

Strawmen be strawmen, if you are too buthurt that your system of choice did not do well then too bad, too sad.

Oh good one! The only thing that PC does the same that consoles do is play disc games. It's different in every other way. Where's the sales of this PC company? A console is a closed loop gaming system built to play games first and foremost by one company. I guess the stand alone PC gaming system just needs to compete somewhere albeit with other gaming systems not in it's same category.

Where does it stand that a Company has to make the hardware in order to make it a console? Seeing as both systems are AMD made, and MS and Sony is the public face of both consoles have very Little impact on you know, the actual hardware.

Yeah lets see, PC can consume media (movies on disk or without, same with music), browse the net, act as storefronts. You know what that sounds like? yup the Things you misguidedly call a "console" while you cling to the outwards firms govering it, in that case would PC not be MS and Apple no?

As far as I remember when the X1 got revealed was it games that was the prime concern? no. Basicly what you consider a console in your head, does not equate to the real World. Hell there have been plenty of studies, that listed the PS3 as being used more for netflix then games, does that sound like a console?

See where you make the biggest mistake in your assumption is that a console is the product of one corperation (which it is not). And that it is a closed system (which it is also not, seeing as EA per example have its own service on the X1, as far as I know EA is another Company no?).

Basicly the 7 and 8th generation are simply budget Pc's with custom interface, whatever arguments you have made, are void seeing as consoles stopped being consoles in the PS2 era and became multimedia sonsumption machines (gaming no longer sole existence). Hell go into a Sony center and buy a TV and you will likely get a PS4 thrown after you as a "blu ray player" or more accurate multimedia entertainment centre.

Give me one area where what you call a console differs from a PC, would be better, certainly not in coding, not in hardware, not in interface, not in 3rd party (other Companies, delivering entertainment on your box).

Basicly the only thing we have that even resembles a console is the Wii U, Live with it, the rest of them might aswell be Pc's Thus pretty damn stupid to claim the PC is different, when they are pretty much the same (Heck the PS3 had a Linux OS on it in the beginning, does that sound like a console to you?.

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#207 Malta_1980
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in this order

PC

WiiU

PS4

X1

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#208  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@Maddie_Larkin said:

Where does it stand that a Company has to make the hardware in order to make it a console? Seeing as both systems are AMD made, and MS and Sony is the public face of both consoles have very Little impact on you know, the actual hardware.

Yeah lets see, PC can consume media (movies on disk or without, same with music), browse the net, act as storefronts. You know what that sounds like? yup the Things you misguidedly call a "console" while you cling to the outwards firms govering it, in that case would PC not be MS and Apple no?

As far as I remember when the X1 got revealed was it games that was the prime concern? no. Basicly what you consider a console in your head, does not equate to the real World. Hell there have been plenty of studies, that listed the PS3 as being used more for netflix then games, does that sound like a console?

See where you make the biggest mistake in your assumption is that a console is the product of one corperation (which it is not). And that it is a closed system (which it is also not, seeing as EA per example have its own service on the X1, as far as I know EA is another Company no?).

Basicly the 7 and 8th generation are simply budget Pc's with custom interface, whatever arguments you have made, are void seeing as consoles stopped being consoles in the PS2 era and became multimedia sonsumption machines (gaming no longer sole existence). Hell go into a Sony center and buy a TV and you will likely get a PS4 thrown after you as a "blu ray player" or more accurate multimedia entertainment centre.

Give me one area where what you call a console differs from a PC, would be better, certainly not in coding, not in hardware, not in interface, not in 3rd party (other Companies, delivering entertainment on your box).

Basicly the only thing we have that even resembles a console is the Wii U, Live with it, the rest of them might aswell be Pc's Thus pretty damn stupid to claim the PC is different, when they are pretty much the same (Heck the PS3 had a Linux OS on it in the beginning, does that sound like a console to you?.

Blah blah blah...a PC and a console are not the same actually. Silly to compare them.

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@LJS9502_basic said:

Blah blah blah...a PC and a console are not the same actually. Silly to compare them.

Correct. PC does more and better than a console. Therefore, PC wins SW 2014

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@deadline-zero0 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

Blah blah blah...a PC and a console are not the same actually. Silly to compare them.

Correct. PC does more and better than a console. Therefore, PC wins SW 2014

If you really really have a burning need to compare the PC to the consoles then you have to exclude everything else but games.

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@LJS9502_basic said:

@deadline-zero0 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

Blah blah blah...a PC and a console are not the same actually. Silly to compare them.

Correct. PC does more and better than a console. Therefore, PC wins SW 2014

If you really really have a burning need to compare the PC to the consoles then you have to exclude everything else but games.

ok? PC has more and better games then?

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@deadline-zero0 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@deadline-zero0 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

Blah blah blah...a PC and a console are not the same actually. Silly to compare them.

Correct. PC does more and better than a console. Therefore, PC wins SW 2014

If you really really have a burning need to compare the PC to the consoles then you have to exclude everything else but games.

ok? PC has more and better games then?

Better is subjective....

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@LJS9502_basic said:

@deadline-zero0 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

If you really really have a burning need to compare the PC to the consoles then you have to exclude everything else but games.

ok? PC has more and better games then?

Better is subjective....

Technically, almost everything is subjective. But using scores, you know, what SW is about, i'm correct.

PC has the most games, the most exclusives, the most multiplats, and the highest ovarall amont of well rated games, being it on Gamespot (the site you're on) or Metacritic.

In a funny twist of fate, Divinity Original Sin, for example, scores higher than any ps4 or xb1 exclusive this year, on both sites.

So yeah, PC wins the games department.

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@Maddie_Larkin said:

@clr84651 said:

@Maddie_Larkin said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651: too bad, so sad

That criteria of games being the deciding factor to compare systems is BS!

Then why have sales been the deciding factor on here for many many years. And where the F*** is the PC representative at E3 and the other gaming shows?!

You mean the machines used to demo nearly every third party game in existence? Yeah I Wonder where they are at e3 *rolls eyes*

BTW: can you give us a reason to include X1 and PS4 as consoles? seeing as they are multimedia machines, I would think the category "blu ray players with added gaming functionality" fits just as well? Seeing as neither live up to the difinition of a "console" seeing as they are built to be multimedia machines.

Strawmen be strawmen, if you are too buthurt that your system of choice did not do well then too bad, too sad.

Oh good one! The only thing that PC does the same that consoles do is play disc games. It's different in every other way. Where's the sales of this PC company? A console is a closed loop gaming system built to play games first and foremost by one company. I guess the stand alone PC gaming system just needs to compete somewhere albeit with other gaming systems not in it's same category.

Where does it stand that a Company has to make the hardware in order to make it a console? Seeing as both systems are AMD made, and MS and Sony is the public face of both consoles have very Little impact on you know, the actual hardware.

Yeah lets see, PC can consume media (movies on disk or without, same with music), browse the net, act as storefronts. You know what that sounds like? yup the Things you misguidedly call a "console" while you cling to the outwards firms govering it, in that case would PC not be MS and Apple no?

As far as I remember when the X1 got revealed was it games that was the prime concern? no. Basicly what you consider a console in your head, does not equate to the real World. Hell there have been plenty of studies, that listed the PS3 as being used more for netflix then games, does that sound like a console?

See where you make the biggest mistake in your assumption is that a console is the product of one corperation (which it is not). And that it is a closed system (which it is also not, seeing as EA per example have its own service on the X1, as far as I know EA is another Company no?).

Basicly the 7 and 8th generation are simply budget Pc's with custom interface, whatever arguments you have made, are void seeing as consoles stopped being consoles in the PS2 era and became multimedia sonsumption machines (gaming no longer sole existence). Hell go into a Sony center and buy a TV and you will likely get a PS4 thrown after you as a "blu ray player" or more accurate multimedia entertainment centre.

Give me one area where what you call a console differs from a PC, would be better, certainly not in coding, not in hardware, not in interface, not in 3rd party (other Companies, delivering entertainment on your box).

Basicly the only thing we have that even resembles a console is the Wii U, Live with it, the rest of them might aswell be Pc's Thus pretty damn stupid to claim the PC is different, when they are pretty much the same (Heck the PS3 had a Linux OS on it in the beginning, does that sound like a console to you?.

They are very different gaming systems. They are called PCs, consoles, handhelds, phones, & tablets. Each category is it's own type of gaming system. They all play games. Automobiles have categories as well cars, trucks, vans, motorcycles etc. They all use gasoline and share public roads. Some gaming systems are more similar to some than others. Some automobiles are more similar to some than others. There are types of fruits, apples, oranges, bananas, cherries, blueberries. You would compare types of apples to other apples, oranges to other types of oranges. You wouldn't compare apples to oranges. You wouldn't compare cherries to bananas.

It's called a PC & not a console.

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@stuff238 said:

@GoldenElementXL said:

@stuff238 said:

PS4 won. Xbone was second. Wii U was dead last.

Sorry, but lets look at wii u's line up....nothing until may 29th when MK8 came out. Same old boring mario kart. Then nothing until Smash 4 came out in december. That is a terrible year.

PS4 had a couple of quality exclusives, the best 3rd party games and tons of indie games. PS4 won. Deal with it.

DK Tropical Freeze, MK8, Bayonetta 2 and Smash Wii U is a pretty big list. Those exclusives beat PS4 and XB1 exclusives.

PC won multiplats while Wii U won exclusives. I'm not sure what lists you are looking at.

PC gaming? LOL. They don't count. I am only talking about REAL gaming. And wii u's exclusives were vastly overrated like usual as nintendo systems have lower standards reviewed by people blinded by nostalgia.

Bayonetta 2, Mario Kart and Smash 4 are 7/10 games at BEST. DKTF is a 6/10 at best. You cannot convince me Nintendo's mediocre games are awesome exclusives when they are the same old stuff I played 20 years ago on N64 and SNES for DKTF.

At least PS4 had the best 3rd party games among consoles. The best Indies among consoles. And it's couple solid exclusives.

You can't honestly believe that statement. Wii U was heavy in marquee exclusives this year, the X1 got Halo (unfortunately, a broken online...), and the PS4 got.... mediocre third party titles. The PS4 library is mediocre, at best... the best titles for the system were remasters for last gen games (GTA V and Last of Us). This isn't a sales thread, it's a quality thread, and the PS4 is lacking quality currently. The hyped titles for PS4 have yet to come out. When they do, we can have a different discussion.

PC is real gaming. That's an idiotic statement.

And the argument that Nintendo games are continuous rehashes clearly illustrates that either (a) you haven't played a Nintendo game ever, or; (b) you don't actually believe that statement, or; (c) you are choked that your mom only bought you one system so you cannot own multiple consoles (cheap shot... but oh well, lol.)

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@clr84651 said:

@Maddie_Larkin said:

@clr84651 said:

@Maddie_Larkin said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651: too bad, so sad

That criteria of games being the deciding factor to compare systems is BS!

Then why have sales been the deciding factor on here for many many years. And where the F*** is the PC representative at E3 and the other gaming shows?!

You mean the machines used to demo nearly every third party game in existence? Yeah I Wonder where they are at e3 *rolls eyes*

BTW: can you give us a reason to include X1 and PS4 as consoles? seeing as they are multimedia machines, I would think the category "blu ray players with added gaming functionality" fits just as well? Seeing as neither live up to the difinition of a "console" seeing as they are built to be multimedia machines.

Strawmen be strawmen, if you are too buthurt that your system of choice did not do well then too bad, too sad.

Oh good one! The only thing that PC does the same that consoles do is play disc games. It's different in every other way. Where's the sales of this PC company? A console is a closed loop gaming system built to play games first and foremost by one company. I guess the stand alone PC gaming system just needs to compete somewhere albeit with other gaming systems not in it's same category.

Where does it stand that a Company has to make the hardware in order to make it a console? Seeing as both systems are AMD made, and MS and Sony is the public face of both consoles have very Little impact on you know, the actual hardware.

Yeah lets see, PC can consume media (movies on disk or without, same with music), browse the net, act as storefronts. You know what that sounds like? yup the Things you misguidedly call a "console" while you cling to the outwards firms govering it, in that case would PC not be MS and Apple no?

As far as I remember when the X1 got revealed was it games that was the prime concern? no. Basicly what you consider a console in your head, does not equate to the real World. Hell there have been plenty of studies, that listed the PS3 as being used more for netflix then games, does that sound like a console?

See where you make the biggest mistake in your assumption is that a console is the product of one corperation (which it is not). And that it is a closed system (which it is also not, seeing as EA per example have its own service on the X1, as far as I know EA is another Company no?).

Basicly the 7 and 8th generation are simply budget Pc's with custom interface, whatever arguments you have made, are void seeing as consoles stopped being consoles in the PS2 era and became multimedia sonsumption machines (gaming no longer sole existence). Hell go into a Sony center and buy a TV and you will likely get a PS4 thrown after you as a "blu ray player" or more accurate multimedia entertainment centre.

Give me one area where what you call a console differs from a PC, would be better, certainly not in coding, not in hardware, not in interface, not in 3rd party (other Companies, delivering entertainment on your box).

Basicly the only thing we have that even resembles a console is the Wii U, Live with it, the rest of them might aswell be Pc's Thus pretty damn stupid to claim the PC is different, when they are pretty much the same (Heck the PS3 had a Linux OS on it in the beginning, does that sound like a console to you?.

They are very different gaming systems. They are called PCs, consoles, handhelds, phones, & tablets. Each category is it's own type of gaming system. They all play games. Automobiles have categories as well cars, trucks, vans, motorcycles etc. They all use gasoline and share public roads. Some gaming systems are more similar to some than others. Some automobiles are more similar to some than others. There are types of fruits, apples, oranges, bananas, cherries, blueberries. You would compare types of apples to other apples, oranges to other types of oranges. You wouldn't compare apples to oranges. You wouldn't compare cherries to bananas.

It's called a PC & not a console.

I am not arguing that PC and consoles are the same, I am arguing that most of what you call consoles are infact not. got anything to counter that statement? on a coding level, hardware level, and usage level most of what you call Consoles are closer related to PC's. Basis for my argument is in my prior post. Simply put &&% of this gens consoles does not live up to the difinition of a "games console" (dedicated gaming machine made to Work in conjunction with the TV" see there is a very big issue with the "dedicated part"

My argument is that it is stupid to make a claim that the PC does not fit into system wars, when Playstation and Xbox "consoles" are now much closer to PC then console. My issue is with a label that clearly does not fit a section of the machines we talk about on here.

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PC is not a system. So it can't win.

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PC, otherwise the PS4 and Xbox One still added more to their libraries than the WiiU. But you know that's when you judge the entire system, not a small ass percentage to validate a console that misses out on a ridiculous amount of the best games in the year.

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#219 lostrib
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@Pray_to_me said:

PC is not a system. So it can't win.

well that's a new one