Sonic 06 and Sonic Unleashed were both great games, I'm sure Sonic the Hedgehog 4 will also be great. I have a feeling that the critics will like the game too this time around. It looks really fun, I can't wait.
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Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. Not that we won't play Sonic 4 if it's good, it's just that, well Sonic games (Pre release) have been known to follow a cycle (As seen before, and it's true) so most people have learned not to buy into Sonic hype because they have been for the last few releases severely underwhelmed.Look at it this way OP. We'll be enjoying the game while others continue nitpicking it for no reason instead of just playing the game.
It's no wonder they think it's bad. They try their very best to find flaws.
Theguy56
[QUOTE="mo0ksi"]Like 06 and Unleashed before it, right?GreySeal9
Comments like this (and using the Sonic cycle as an actual argument) are logical fallacies.
Just because Sonic 06 and Unleashed were bad doesn't mean this one will be. 2D entirely changes things. I'm not saying that means the game will be good but it's hardly the same situation.
Not really. To say that any new Sonic game is guaranteed to disappoint because previous ones have is a fallacy. To say that a new game is likely to fail for that reason, though, makes perfect sense. At this point, people have their expectations.That looked good, and I'm one of the most critical Sonic fans around. There's actual platforming in this one, which is something I thought was really missing from the handheld games.
I'm starting to get so sick and tired of these sonic cycle posts. It has been shown many times in previous threads that cycle is null and void because of the way sega's creating sonic 4. So please stop talking about the sonic cycle now and respect sega for once and for all. There not as bad as some other companies.
To answer to sonictrainer's question I don't think the sonic cycle worked for either Sonic and Sega All-Star racing or Sonic and the secret rings and maybe Sonic Heroes and almost all the handheld one'sbecause these games weren't trashed as hard as the other sonic games.
3D Sonic's are good, when you consider just the Sonic Adventure, Adventure 2, the remakes of those two, and that's about it.
For me it went down hill after Sonic Adventure 2: Battle, Sonic Heroes was the start of the slip for me, that game was terrible in my eyes. I don't think I've gotten a Sonic game after heroes, my friend let me hold Shadow the Hedgehog, and I couldn't get pass the first level. and I got StH:2006 for cheap at gamestop back in 2008, and couldn't get past the first level.
Terrible games, I never really liked the 2D Sonics, I would much rather they analyze what was right with Adventure 1 and 2, and build off of that. Preferably a Sonic Adventure 3 for Wii, or 360(because those are the only controllers I'd play it on). I was more of a Mario guy, so back then when I had Genesis, and Sonic 1 and 2, and didn't much care for them at all.
Who is the meat wad that is leaking this stuff out?
LegatoSkyheart
That's a good question. Sooner or later they're going to get in trouble or get the game delayed.
They've already leaked 3 of the levels.
Having gone back and playing Sonic 1,2,3 and Knuckles though the Sega Genesis Ultimate Collection, I'm a bit more hyped for Sonic 4. I want to see full gameplay and a demo if possible before making a purchase.
Couldn't have said it better myself. People even complained about Sonic's eyes still being green and Robotnik still being called Eggman. That's like saying all the recent Mario games suck because Mario isn't called Jump Man. -_-Look at it this way OP. We'll be enjoying the game while others continue nitpicking it for no reason instead of just playing the game.
It's no wonder they think it's bad. They try their very best to find flaws.
Theguy56
Maybe not Sonic 06 though it wasn't THAT bad but, Sonic Unleashed was good. Personally, I'm worried critics might slam Sonic the Hedgehog 4 as well. They better not though because it would completely ruin all their credibility. Critics: "We want Sonic to return to his roots" *Sonic returns to his roots* Critics: "OMG TEH GAMZ SUX!" ^I swear if that happens........X(Sonic 06 and Sonic Unleashed were both great games, I'm sure Sonic the Hedgehog 4 will also be great. I have a feeling that the critics will like the game too this time around. It looks really fun, I can't wait.
GeoffZak
[QUOTE="Theguy56"]Couldn't have said it better myself. People even complained about Sonic's eyes still being green and Robotnik still being called Eggman. That's like saying all the recent Mario games suck because Mario isn't called Jump Man. -_-Look at it this way OP. We'll be enjoying the game while others continue nitpicking it for no reason instead of just playing the game.
It's no wonder they think it's bad. They try their very best to find flaws.
sonicthemegaman
not really because when robotnik name was eggman the sonic games were good now their terrible mario never lost any value with any changes even if they were slight
I'll stand by my statement that at least 1 month before launch, Big the cat and all of Sonics other high-pitched, annoying friends will be announced to be in the game.
Followed by an assortment of new and even more irritating characters.
I'll stand by my statement that at least 1 month before launch, Big the cat and all of Sonics other high-pitched, annoying friends will be announced to be in the game.
Followed by an assortment of new and even more irritating characters.
darthvader1993
You do notice sega's not doing that for this game.
We all know Sonic is fine when it comes to 2D. The Sonic Advance games and the Sonic Rush games are great its just 3D that is hit or miss. TheColbertOmg Sonic Advance FTWMFW!!!!!
Sonic has become the "Great Pumpkin" of video games. I hope that this will be the start of a turnaround, but I'm not too confident.
Couldn't have said it better myself. People even complained about Sonic's eyes still being green and Robotnik still being called Eggman. That's like saying all the recent Mario games suck because Mario isn't called Jump Man. -_-[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"][QUOTE="Theguy56"]
Look at it this way OP. We'll be enjoying the game while others continue nitpicking it for no reason instead of just playing the game.
It's no wonder they think it's bad. They try their very best to find flaws.
Mario1331
not really because when robotnik name was eggman the sonic games were good now their terrible mario never lost any value with any changes even if they were slight
.......what?
[QUOTE="Mario1331"]
[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"] Couldn't have said it better myself. People even complained about Sonic's eyes still being green and Robotnik still being called Eggman. That's like saying all the recent Mario games suck because Mario isn't called Jump Man. -_-sonictrainer
not really because when robotnik name was eggman the sonic games were good now their terrible mario never lost any value with any changes even if they were slight
.......what?
sonic games were good when his name was robotnik now that it is eggman they completely suck.mario on the other hand always had its quality so i dont think that comparison got his point across correctly
Knuckles and Tails will be in Episode 2. Quote me.
Valiant_Rebel
And hopefullly they leave it at that. No Shadow, no Amy, no Big the Cat (still would like to know whose bright idea that was)
[QUOTE="sonictrainer"]
[QUOTE="Mario1331"]
not really because when robotnik name was eggman the sonic games were good now their terrible mario never lost any value with any changes even if they were slight
Mario1331
.......what?
sonic games were good when his name was robotnik now that it is eggman they completely suck.mario on the other hand always had its quality so i dont think that comparison got his point across correctly
That's what Robotnik is called in Japan, where Sonic was made.
Here's all 3 stages for both Splash Hill Zone and Lost Labyrinth. Act 2 on Labyrinth looks annoying as hell, but it could be because this guy sucks. Overall I'd say this is DEFINITELY a step in the right direction, but the bosses do seem rather easy, and I want some more spin dash incorporation, as well as the lightning, fire, and bubble powerups.
I will nit pick a little and point out the "lock on" thing made the boss for the first zone too easy, sonic 2's boss was harder for zone 1. but i'm happy for this game cause it is a right step in the right direction. *crosses fingers* come on ice cap zone remake.Here's all 3 stages for both Splash Hill Zone and Lost Labyrinth. Act 2 on Labyrinth looks annoying as hell, but it could be because this guy sucks. Overall I'd say this is DEFINITELY a step in the right direction, but the bosses do seem rather easy, and I want some more spin dash incorporation, as well as the lightning, fire, and bubble powerups.
Renegade_Fury
Um...whats so good about Sonic 06? Glitches and the controls?Sonic 06 and Sonic Unleashed were both great games, I'm sure Sonic the Hedgehog 4 will also be great. I have a feeling that the critics will like the game too this time around. It looks really fun, I can't wait.
GeoffZak
for those of us who never considered sonic games good, this one looks two ways:
1) less painful whining/raging by people with sonic avatars on msgboards about how reviewers are inherently biased against sonic
2) too much boasting by people with sonic avatars on msgboards about how sonic is back, the franchise isnt garbage, you must like sonic now, etc.
Sonic 06 and Sonic Unleashed were both great games, I'm sure Sonic the Hedgehog 4 will also be great. I have a feeling that the critics will like the game too this time around. It looks really fun, I can't wait.
Um...whats so good about Sonic 06? Glitches and the controls? Well you're off to a good start by asking someone who actually bothered to play it. Cause ya know.....you haven't.[QUOTE="Pices"][QUOTE="GeoffZak"]Um...whats so good about Sonic 06? Glitches and the controls? Well you're off to a good start by asking someone who actually bothered to play it. Cause ya know.....you haven't. I actually did, you live with me or something?Sonic 06 and Sonic Unleashed were both great games, I'm sure Sonic the Hedgehog 4 will also be great. I have a feeling that the critics will like the game too this time around. It looks really fun, I can't wait.
sonicthemegaman
for those of us who never considered sonic games good, this one looks two ways:
1) less painful whining/raging by people with sonic avatars on msgboards about how reviewers are inherently biased against sonic
2) too much boasting by people with sonic avatars on msgboards about how sonic is back, the franchise isnt garbage, you must like sonic now, etc.
That brings up something I've never truly understood. What exactly is so bad about Sonic fans? I often get the feeling I'm not welcome here simply for liking Sonic as a franchise and the reasons behind all the Sonic hate never feels truly justified. I mean my issue regarding the review scores are less about the actual scores and more so about how the games have been reviewed ever since the Adventure re-releases. Magically, 2 "classic" Sonic games that were praise beyond believe get treated like trash on the GameCube when it's basically the same game. Nothing changed. I played both versions. Then of course, there's the pure sense of exaggeration in regards to how bad the series is. I'm glad you mentioned people who never conisdered Sonic good because most of the reasons why Sonic sucks now implies that there were only 2 good Sonic games to exist (Sonic 1 & 2) if any at all. I mean there's ALWAYS something wrong. He's too slow. He's too fast. Eggman's real name in Robotnik. It's complaint after complaint. No wonder some Sonic fans have a tendency to get defensive. The series gets bashed from head to toe. And the reviews themselves...I mean c'mon. The complaints in the reviews compared to the actual games almost never make sense. Sonic 06 is one of the few Sonic games that got the negative criticism it truly deserved granted, it shouldn't constantly be brought in Sonic conversations. There are plenty of crappy games this generation yet no one is making topics about X-Blades, Gundam Crossfire, Anubis II, or NinjaBreadMan. You can't deny that the IGN review for the HD Sonic Unleashed was simply journalism at its worse. If it were any other game, there'd be a problem but, since it's Sonic, he's magically spot on. That review, along with many others, sound as if they played a totally different game. Yet, crap like Secret Rings get decent scores. That was the first 3D game that truly had bad controls. Not just Shadow or 06 bad, just flat out bad. Even when I learned how to play the game well, I still felt like the controls were unnecessarily frustrating. The reviews are simply all over the place. There's no point in quoting the issues in each game because what makes a Sonic game "good" always seems to change with each game. That's how we get crap like Shadow the Hedgehog because apparently there was something so terribly wrong with story is Sonic Heroes that Sega felt the need to make it "edgy". That story sucked and the game was a dissappointment but hey, I'm sure Sega would be able to please there so called "fans more often if they actually knew what they wanted from a series they pretty much can't stand for an ocean of reasons. Not like it matters because every version of every 3D Sonic game is thrash even if it gets a 7 out of 10. If people hate Sonic, they should just say so instead of making excuses for what Sonic Team should do to "revive" Sonic. There's nothing to "revive" at this point and if Sonic 4 bombs in reviews then it'll prove that Sonic was never good and I apparently grew up with and became a fan of a franchise that was crap from the very start. :(Well you're off to a good start by asking someone who actually bothered to play it. Cause ya know.....you haven't. I actually did, you live with me or something? That's not what you told me. You said it, "Wasn't worth it". You made a whole topic about that game then admitted to not having played it. You mean to tell after all that, you suddenly decided to get your own opinion on that game? :D[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"][QUOTE="Pices"] Um...whats so good about Sonic 06? Glitches and the controls?Pices
I'll wait for official footage before I judge based on what is the same build as 2 months ago.
I'm sure the game is finished and no change can be done right since the game is already out! Oh wait...
Give up, you will NEVER be happy with anything unless they copy paste the ****cs into Sonic 4. Oh, but wait, then it will be a rehash and SEGA loses again! The agony!
Sonic was revived with Sonic unleashed (360) imo it was the first great sonic game in about 7/8 years, unfortanatly instead of the blind haters actully playing the games they listen to the reviewers who have been biased towards Sonic since '06'.
Sonic unleashed was great and i know ST know how to make a good game.
I'll wait for official footage before I judge based on what is the same build as 2 months ago.
I'm sure the game is finished and no change can be done right since the game is already out! Oh wait...
Give up, you will NEVER be happy with anything unless they copy paste the ****cs into Sonic 4. Oh, but wait, then it will be a rehash and SEGA loses again! The agony!Theguy56
This the way I look at it is that the only way to be "happy" or probably a better word, "satisfied", is to throw your previous expectations out the window. I look at Sonic in the same way I do my 49ers. They were the greatest franchise in all of professional sports, but now are a jokefest that hasn't even made the playoffs for 7 years. Fans would be content with just winning the division or making the playoffs, while back in the day it was Super Bowl or bust. Sonic was the same way. It was THE greatest video game franchise at the time (just look at this), but his games and Sonic Team haven't done anything right since the release of Saturn. If you accept that Sonic Team and Dimps are ran by brain dead monkeys, it will be so much easier to enjoy this new game. It won't be as good as the originals, but it will probably be a good game, and really that's all I'm looking for at this point. I don't expect anything jaw dropping or revolutionary like in the old days, but I expect a game at least similar to the c-lassics. So far it's looking that way.
I really hope this game turns out well but until the finish product is out, I will remain skeptical.
As for the Sonic fanbase, they are mostly cool and levelheaded here on GS. However, outside GS, specifically youtube, they are argueably the worst fanbase for any videogame.
But I still love the Genesis/CD titles and thought the Adventure series was good for it's time.
i am a little happy, but this is not the sega we knew in the 90s, and SEGA disappointed more than once so i wouldn't set my expectation highhttp://www.tssznews.com/2010/04/02/leak-week-videos-of-sonic-4s-casino-street-published/
This proves that Sonic 4 really will be like the originals. This is pure Sonic people. Be happy. :)
sonicthemegaman
Sonic was revived with Sonic unleashed (360) imo it was the first great sonic game in about 7/8 years, unfortanatly instead of the blind haters actully playing the games they listen to the reviewers who have been biased towards Sonic since '06'.
Sonic unleashed was great and i know ST know how to make a good game.
Sorry, Unleashed is not as good as you guys say it is. You should stop overrating the game and definitely stop covering it's flaws.Well you're off to a good start by asking someone who actually bothered to play it. Cause ya know.....you haven't.sonicthemegamanI actually did, you live with me or something? That's not what you told me. You said it, "Wasn't worth it". You made a whole topic about that game then admitted to not having played it. You mean to tell after all that, you suddenly decided to get your own opinion on that game? :D I gladly borrowed it from a friend, >.> , I was right the whole time.
[QUOTE="MobilechicaneX"]Sorry, Unleashed is not as good as you guys say it is. You should stop overrating the game and definitely stop covering it's flaws.Sonic was revived with Sonic unleashed (360) imo it was the first great sonic game in about 7/8 years, unfortanatly instead of the blind haters actully playing the games they listen to the reviewers who have been biased towards Sonic since '06'.
Sonic unleashed was great and i know ST know how to make a good game.
Pices
It's better than Sonic Labyrinth.
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