Sony Announces Q3 Results PS3 is at 33.5 mils units sold

It's funny watching all the lems running rampant on the other thread yet this one is dead silent. Guess they all ran back into hiding (or jumped off a cliff).

So according to that thread the PS3 is 5.2 million behind

thelastguy

PS3 gets closer and closer. Ownage ensues :POdrec

[QUOTE="Odrec"]PS3 gets closer and closer. Ownage ensues :PXanderZane

[QUOTE="XanderZane"][QUOTE="Odrec"]PS3 gets closer and closer. Ownage ensues :Pmythrol

I doubt we ever see a 360 Slim. The way the HDD attaches won't allow for a slimmer model and I highly doubt MSFT wants to release a slim that isn't compatible with previous HDDs. Also, Odrec, Ownage does not ensue. Sony went from first place last gen with over 150 million PS2's sold, to last place still almost 5.5 million behind. Ownage has already been served. Catching up to MSFT and trying to claim "ownage" is like coming in 4th at the special Olympics and trying to trash talk.

Now that's real ownage!:P

Just like I said in the other thread, Dille was wrong.It was very simple, and I don't even follow sales.

LINK TO OTHER THREAD where I clearly said yesterday "Dille was inaccurate".

Did that stop the thread? Did it get me quoted and called names? Sure. That's what I get for being accurate. I'm glad it only took ONE DAY to actually show people, I ussually have to wait months before I can go back to a topic, and people forget.

Dille was wrong, they were just off the cuff numbers or whatever. IT doesn't matter, I just can't believe people were going so nutso. Enjoy that link to yesterdays thread.

Man, why were so many jumping up and down over his remark...it's so sad looking back at the other thread. I can't believe how facts just went right over so many just to try and argue. Now they are wrong. What was the point?

[QUOTE="XanderZane"][QUOTE="Odrec"]PS3 gets closer and closer. Ownage ensues :Pmythrol

Lol, I knew Dilles numbers where bogus. 33 seems more plausable. The gap is getting smaller and smaller, hopefully they can keep it up.

Hmm MS had 1 year head start and then ends up still last? You don't call that ownage in the slighest bit? Of course the REAL winner this generation is hands down Nintendo, wow what a comeback with DS and Wii crushing both Sony and MS.Sollet

With the way MS has been going (going from 24+ million X-Box owners to now 39+ million 360 owners), I'd say that they've been doing well this gen compared to last gen, as well as making money off of each 360 being sold as well as gaining more marketshare.

Sony, on the other hand, had went from dominating two generations in a row, having 126 million PS1 units sold, to 140+ million PS2 units sold, to now having just 33+ million PS3 units sold & are struggling to keep up with the competition as well as finances. They really haven't been doing well this gen compared to the last two generations of theirs, if you think about it.

[QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]31 million isn't too far off, and if history is any indication Sony is well on its way of producing another 100 million consoles sold.Adrian_Cloud

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]I guess Sony fooled a lot of the Lemmings.garland51

Look at it this way, at least MS isn't losing money like Sony still is off of each console being sold.

[QUOTE="garland51"]

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]I guess Sony fooled a lot of the Lemmings.djsifer01

Look at it this way, at least MS isn't losing money like Sony still is off of each console being sold.

well, the person you responded to specifically said 'lose money on each console sold'

also, sony posted a profit, but that profit was company-wide, not from the videogames division, which wont get its first profits until later this year, iirc

[QUOTE="djsifer01"][QUOTE="garland51"]

Look at it this way, at least MS isn't losing money like Sony still is off of each console being sold.

ogvampire

well, the person you responded to specifically said 'lose money on each console sold'

also, sony posted a profit, but that profit was company-wide, not from the videogames division, which wont get its first profits until later this year, iirc

I dont see how they are losing money on each console and even if they do it's a moot point as long as they are making a substantial profit...

[QUOTE="Sollet"]

Hmm MS had 1 year head start and then ends up still last? You don't call that ownage in the slighest bit? Of course the REAL winner this generation is hands down Nintendo, wow what a comeback with DS and Wii crushing both Sony and MS.

With the way MS has been going (going from 24+ million X-Box owners to now 39+ million 360 owners), I'd say that they've been doing well this gen compared to last gen, as well as making money off of each 360 being sold as well as gaining more marketshare.

Sony, on the other hand, had went from dominating two generations in a row, having 126 million PS1 units sold, to 140+ million PS2 units sold, to now having just 33+ million PS3 units sold & are struggling to keep up with the competition as well as finances. They really haven't been doing well this gen compared to the last two generations of theirs, if you think about it.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="djsifer01"]Either is Sony, they just posted a 827 million dollar profit. Looks like Sonys chance of catching MS(which i thought was impossible) is more of a possibility than i thought.Gambler_3

well, the person you responded to specifically said 'lose money on each console sold'

also, sony posted a profit, but that profit was company-wide, not from the videogames division, which wont get its first profits until later this year, iirc

I dont see how they are losing money on each console and even if they do it's a moot point as long as they are making a substantial profit...

not really. sony combined their pc division with their videogame division

"Sony's Networked Products and Services division, which includes sales of PlayStation hardware as well as Viao PCs, recorded an operating profit of ¥19.4 billion (£134m / $213 million) for the third quarter"

we will never know how much of the 200mil is from the playstation division itself...

but a fact is a fact, even though its minor, but yeah... they are still losing money on each console sold

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="yoyo462001"]No its not, you cant use recent history to infer anything. The ps3 will not sell 100 million consoles, only the wii this generation can.yoyo462001

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

well, the person you responded to specifically said 'lose money on each console sold'

also, sony posted a profit, but that profit was company-wide, not from the videogames division, which wont get its first profits until later this year, iirc

ogvampire

I dont see how they are losing money on each console and even if they do it's a moot point as long as they are making a substantial profit...

not really. sony combined their pc division with their videogame division

"Sony's Networked Products and Services division, which includes sales of PlayStation hardware as well as Viao PCs, recorded an operating profit of ¥19.4 billion (£134m / $213 million) for the third quarter"

we will never know how much of the 200mil is from the playstation division itself...

but a fact is a fact, even though its minor, but yeah... they are still losing money on each console sold

lol they still losin money?dang!

6.5 Million Units in Oct-Dec is pretty solid. Every year the 360's lead over the PS3 drops and drops. By January 2011 I would imagine it to be roughly 4-4.5 million difference only.

Are these numbers still fishy? I find it hilarious that everyone was arguing MSFT's numbers were wrong because the gap was 8 million. Now that Sony's official numbers are out and the gap is only 5.5 million, suddenly cows are A-OK with MSFT's numbers. mythrol

because it makes sense...do you really think 360 outsold ps3 2:1 after a ps3 pricedrop+slim? 5 million sounds a lot more reasonable than 8.

[QUOTE="mythrol"]Are these numbers still fishy? I find it hilarious that everyone was arguing MSFT's numbers were wrong because the gap was 8 million. Now that Sony's official numbers are out and the gap is only 5.5 million, suddenly cows are A-OK with MSFT's numbers. karsa-orlong

because it makes sense...do you really think 360 outsold ps3 2:1 after a ps3 pricedrop+slim? 5 million sounds a lot more reasonable than 8.

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="yoyo462001"]No its not, you cant use recent history to infer anything. The ps3 will not sell 100 million consoles, only the wii this generation can.yoyo462001

If you think Agent will stay ps3 exclusive, you must be in oblivion. PS3 only accounts for around 20-30% of Take-Two's profits, while the 360 accounts for a whopping 50% of their profits....looking at that, Take-Two must be the biggest idiots in the world if they made it exclusive

[QUOTE="karsa-orlong"]

[QUOTE="mythrol"]Are these numbers still fishy? I find it hilarious that everyone was arguing MSFT's numbers were wrong because the gap was 8 million. Now that Sony's official numbers are out and the gap is only 5.5 million, suddenly cows are A-OK with MSFT's numbers. gamer620

because it makes sense...do you really think 360 outsold ps3 2:1 after a ps3 pricedrop+slim? 5 million sounds a lot more reasonable than 8.

[QUOTE="AdmiralBison"]

[QUOTE="Odrec"]PS3 gets closer and closer. Ownage ensues :Pkarsa-orlong

Both factions need to be a bit more careful I think.

This is coming off the back of the FFXIII in Japan for PS3 only and the PS3 managing to just ease by as it was easily it's best year and the Xbox360's worst in the U.S.

I still believe the PS3 can not keep this momentum up and also Xbox360 will not continue tohave a repeat performances like '09 wth little in the way of exclusives or a big push in the way of a revamped console, significant price drop or to few system movers.

you can quote me on this this year is going to be too stellar for the Xbox360 and it will regain it's healthy lead over the PS3.

i dont think so. the ps3 did have a push with ffxiii but the 360 has been having sales all over the place. walmarts 100 gc with the purchase of the arcade was a little while ago and they had the 50 gc a couple of weeks ago and next week they're having 25 gcs or free controllers with the purchase of an xbox. ms is gonna need to have a pretty big price drop for them to regain a healthly lead.

nice way to downplay the push of FFXIII in Japan especially as a lot of people have been clamouring before that it is huge. It is Final Fantasy and in all places Japan where it is not available for the Xbox360. so Of course for the PS3's stronghold it is significant.

Don't forget Last years significant price drop and revamped PS3 model , you only really started seeing the PS3 start to outsell the Xbox360 for 3-4 months after that.

With those little deals here and there for the Xbox360 is nothing major, and last year a lot here have to admit it was not exactly the Xbox360's strongest year and it was the PS3's best.

MS still has Halo Reach, Alan Wake, the more popular and anticipated motion controller _Project Natal over the Wand and of course MS is still in a better position to have a significant price drop.

[QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] Well its doing better than PS1, Gran Turismo was released around this time and PS sales also surged that year. Furthermore if Agent is going to have a similar impact that GTA had on PS2 then its easily possible. Considering GTAIV hasn't sold as much as any of the GTA's that were exclusive to PS2, its quite possible that Rockstar will keep Agent PS3 exclusive. :|Modern_Unit

If you think Agent will stay ps3 exclusive, you must be in oblivion. PS3 only accounts for around 20-30% of Take-Two's profits, while the 360 accounts for a whopping 50% of their profits....looking at that, Take-Two must be the biggest idiots in the world if they made it exclusive

[QUOTE="garland51"]

[QUOTE="Sollet"]

Hmm MS had 1 year head start and then ends up still last? You don't call that ownage in the slighest bit? Of course the REAL winner this generation is hands down Nintendo, wow what a comeback with DS and Wii crushing both Sony and MS.2mrw

With the way MS has been going (going from 24+ million X-Box owners to now 39+ million 360 owners), I'd say that they've been doing well this gen compared to last gen, as well as making money off of each 360 being sold as well as gaining more marketshare.

Sony, on the other hand, had went from dominating two generations in a row, having 126 million PS1 units sold, to 140+ million PS2 units sold, to now having just 33+ million PS3 units sold & are struggling to keep up with the competition as well as finances. They really haven't been doing well this gen compared to the last two generations of theirs, if you think about it.

No duh. What I mean by that is, is that the PS3 isn't exactly extremely popular as the PS1 & the PS2 were. Things are much different for them now, & there's not going to be over 100 million PS3 owners like they had with the PS1 & the PS2.

[QUOTE="Modern_Unit"]

[QUOTE="yoyo462001"]All of that was rubbish, your taking one variable from history and making ludicrous assumptions. In the PS1 and PS2 era, were they in last place in sales? was the wii there? why should agent have the same impact that GTA did? we havnt seen anything from it and also compared to the fact no ps3 game has been a system seller as the likes of Halo or one of Nintendo own made wii games such as NSBW, the truth is its a different world atm making claims like this are preposterous. EVOLV3

If you think Agent will stay ps3 exclusive, you must be in oblivion. PS3 only accounts for around 20-30% of Take-Two's profits, while the 360 accounts for a whopping 50% of their profits....looking at that, Take-Two must be the biggest idiots in the world if they made it exclusive

I'm trying to re-search it on kotaku...anyways do you really trust 3rd party publishers now? Thats like trusting your hens with a fox..

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

well, the person you responded to specifically said 'lose money on each console sold'

also, sony posted a profit, but that profit was company-wide, not from the videogames division, which wont get its first profits until later this year, iirc

ogvampire

I dont see how they are losing money on each console and even if they do it's a moot point as long as they are making a substantial profit...

not really. sony combined their pc division with their videogame division

"Sony's Networked Products and Services division, which includes sales of PlayStation hardware as well as Viao PCs, recorded an operating profit of ¥19.4 billion (£134m / $213 million) for the third quarter"

we will never know how much of the 200mil is from the playstation division itself...

but a fact is a fact, even though its minor, but yeah... they are still losing money on each console sold

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]The games division posted a 200 million something profit.

I dont see how they are losing money on each console and even if they do it's a moot point as long as they are making a substantial profit...

Gambler_3

not really. sony combined their pc division with their videogame division

"Sony's Networked Products and Services division, which includes sales of PlayStation hardware as well as Viao PCs, recorded an operating profit of ¥19.4 billion (£134m / $213 million) for the third quarter"

we will never know how much of the 200mil is from the playstation division itself...

but a fact is a fact, even though its minor, but yeah... they are still losing money on each console sold

um... it is a fact

if youre not gonna listen to a credible source, then how about sony's own Chief Financial Officer Nobuyuki Oneda who said:

they actually lose $18 (or 6% of every dollar on ps3 hardware sold) on each console sale in the U.S.

its really not that hard to do a little research on the internet... give it a try sometime

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]I guess Sony fooled a lot of the Lemmings.garland51

Look at it this way, at least MS isn't losing money like Sony still is off of each console being sold.

who really cares?

Hmm my guess that Sony was around 5 million off seemed to be correct. I think they basically closed the gap by 2-2.5 million in 2009, which means if that trend holds true they could potentially be tied in 2 years time but then again we can't predict future trends. Does any one else wonder how many 360s bought are replacements?I think most of us know that prior to the warranty extension the same user ended up buying multiple 360s, which might still happen today, so do we really know the user base for the 360 (or the ps3 for that matter with ylod). The race for 2nd place is close and interesting.

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

not really. sony combined their pc division with their videogame division

"Sony's Networked Products and Services division, which includes sales of PlayStation hardware as well as Viao PCs, recorded an operating profit of ¥19.4 billion (£134m / $213 million) for the third quarter"

we will never know how much of the 200mil is from the playstation division itself...

but a fact is a fact, even though its minor, but yeah... they are still losing money on each console sold

ogvampire

um... it is a fact

if youre not gonna listen to a credible source, then how about sony's own Chief Financial Officer Nobuyuki Oneda who said:

they actually lose $18 (or 6% of every dollar on ps3 hardware sold) on each console sale in the U.S.

its really not that hard to do a little research on the internet... give it a try sometime

The US makes like what 20-30% of all PS3's sold?

So ya it's not a fact...

[QUOTE="garland51"]

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]I guess Sony fooled a lot of the Lemmings.Phaze-Two

Look at it this way, at least MS isn't losing money like Sony still is off of each console being sold.

who really cares?

System Wars does. You must be new here or something. Because Sales and things of this sort have been argued for years, this generation, the generation beofre that and before that and will be next generation.

Topics of discusionn in a console war.

*Graphicsandperformance.

*Exclusives

*Sales, statistics and company reputation

*Game attach ratios

*Reviews

*Gameplay

[QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] Well its doing better than PS1, Gran Turismo was released around this time and PS sales also surged that year. Furthermore if Agent is going to have a similar impact that GTA had on PS2 then its easily possible. Considering GTAIV hasn't sold as much as any of the GTA's that were exclusive to PS2, its quite possible that Rockstar will keep Agent PS3 exclusive. :|Modern_Unit

If you think Agent will stay ps3 exclusive, you must be in oblivion. PS3 only accounts for around 20-30% of Take-Two's profits, while the 360 accounts for a whopping 50% of their profits....looking at that, Take-Two must be the biggest idiots in the world if they made it exclusive

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]Bog down on the fact calling. It's not a "fact" that sony still loses money on every PS3, it is simply an estimate done by a thrid party with limited knowledge of the internal costs of the business...

Gambler_3

um... it is a fact

if youre not gonna listen to a credible source, then how about sony's own Chief Financial Officer Nobuyuki Oneda who said:

they actually lose $18 (or 6% of every dollar on ps3 hardware sold) on each console sale in the U.S.

its really not that hard to do a little research on the internet... give it a try sometime

The US makes like what 20-30% of all PS3's sold?

So ya it's not a fact...

that $18 is a calculation based off the 6% lose in regards to the $299 price point in the U.S.

their losses would be different in europe, UK, Japan, etc....

excerpt from the link:

"It was then revealed that Sony loses approximately six cents for every dollar of PS3 hardware sales"

so ya... its a fact. and your attempts at trying to diffuse a fact is getting pretty sad... :|

[QUOTE="Modern_Unit"]

[QUOTE="yoyo462001"]All of that was rubbish, your taking one variable from history and making ludicrous assumptions. In the PS1 and PS2 era, were they in last place in sales? was the wii there? why should agent have the same impact that GTA did? we havnt seen anything from it and also compared to the fact no ps3 game has been a system seller as the likes of Halo or one of Nintendo own made wii games such as NSBW, the truth is its a different world atm making claims like this are preposterous. Adrian_Cloud

If you think Agent will stay ps3 exclusive, you must be in oblivion. PS3 only accounts for around 20-30% of Take-Two's profits, while the 360 accounts for a whopping 50% of their profits....looking at that, Take-Two must be the biggest idiots in the world if they made it exclusive

[QUOTE="gensigns"]

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"]

yeah, it is a great success, especially if profitability continues from here on

Javy03

uhhh - you know they're NEVER going to make the cost back. It's basically a huge black hole that sucked all the profits from the PS2 in.

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

um... it is a fact

if youre not gonna listen to a credible source, then how about sony's own Chief Financial Officer Nobuyuki Oneda who said:

they actually lose $18 (or 6% of every dollar on ps3 hardware sold) on each console sale in the U.S.

its really not that hard to do a little research on the internet... give it a try sometime

ogvampire

The US makes like what 20-30% of all PS3's sold?

So ya it's not a fact...

that $18 is a calculation based off the 6% lose in regards to the $299 price point in the U.S.

their losses would be different in europe, UK, Japan, etc....

excerpt from the link:

"It was then revealed that Sony loses approximately six cents for every dollar of PS3 hardware sales"

so ya... its a fact. and your attempts at trying to diffuse a fact is getting pretty sad... :|

From your link,

"Although it's harder to work out in the UK with 17.5 per cent VAT to think about, with the higher price and the current dollar-to-pound exchange rate, it wouldn't be out of the question to suggest that the console is turning a profit in Britain."

A fact is something which has undisputable evidence to back it up, your claim doesnt have it so it's not a fact!!

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]Only in the US, if they are making profit in other regions then they could easily be making an overall profit on hardware sold.

The US makes like what 20-30% of all PS3's sold?

So ya it's not a fact...

Gambler_3

that $18 is a calculation based off the 6% lose in regards to the $299 price point in the U.S.

their losses would be different in europe, UK, Japan, etc....

excerpt from the link:

"It was then revealed that Sony loses approximately six cents for every dollar of PS3 hardware sales"

so ya... its a fact. and your attempts at trying to diffuse a fact is getting pretty sad... :|

From your link,

"Although it's harder to work out in the UK with 17.5 per cent VAT to think about, with the higher price and the current dollar-to-pound exchange rate, it wouldn't be out of the question to suggest that the console is turning a profit in Britain."

A fact is something which has undisputable evidence to back it up, your claim doesnt have it so it's not a fact!!

Sony is still losing money on the PS3 hardware and a careful read of the income statement they just released proves it.

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="Modern_Unit"]

If you think Agent will stay ps3 exclusive, you must be in oblivion. PS3 only accounts for around 20-30% of Take-Two's profits, while the 360 accounts for a whopping 50% of their profits....looking at that, Take-Two must be the biggest idiots in the world if they made it exclusive

jyoung312

Ahh...this is going to be like the DLC of GTA IV...you guys could laugh it up...and when it happens...oh well

[QUOTE="jyoung312"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] lol, i'm not taking your word over sonys and rockstars, the fact is GTA hasn't sold as well as it did last gen on one platform. Ps3 exclusives have really pushed the mark this gen, MGS4(goty),Demons Souls(GOTY), Uncharted 2 over 100 GOTY awards, KZ2 a graphical showpiece. Sony and Rockstar have a great relationship, and their is something called a contract. This isn't 50 million for timed exclsive DLC. :lol:Modern_Unit

Ahh...this is going to be like the DLC of GTA IV...you guys could laugh it up...and when it happens...oh well

News From Today, that seems relevant to this thread. :P

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"February 4th, 2010 at 1:14 pm -

Although the PlayStation 3 Slim has prompted a resurgence in Sony's home console business, prompting 10.8 million PS3 sales in just nine months, the console is still losing money for the company. At least, the console's hardware is losing money, since software sales turn this into a profit. However, this hardware loss is nowhere near as significant a loss as it used to be.

Following the console's price-cut to $299 in the US and the release of the revised hardware with the PS3 Slim, Sony has been able to reduce it's loss to $18 on each console sold in the US. Although it's harder to work out in the UK with 17.5 per cent VAT to think about, with the higher price and the current dollar-to-pound exchange rate, it wouldn't be out of the question to suggest that the console is turning a profit in Britain.

This piece of information is found within an interview with Sony's Chief Financial Officer Nobuyuki Oneda, who explained that the company expects to continue reducing the production costs of the PS3 by 15 per cent by March 31st 2011, which is expected to result in "tens of billions of yen." It was then revealed that Sony loses approximately six cents for every dollar of PS3 hardware sales, or $18 for every $299 console sold in the States.

This means that with the console's approximate attach rate of seven games per console, the company is now earning a healthy profit on the PS3's combined hardware and software sales."

News From Today, that seems relevant to this thread. :P

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"February 4th, 2010 at 1:14 pm -

Although the PlayStation 3 Slim has prompted a resurgence in Sony's home console business, prompting 10.8 million PS3 sales in just nine months, the console is still losing money for the company. At least, the console's hardware is losing money, since software sales turn this into a profit. However, this hardware loss is nowhere near as significant a loss as it used to be.

Following the console's price-cut to $299 in the US and the release of the revised hardware with the PS3 Slim, Sony has been able to reduce it's loss to $18 on each console sold in the US. Although it's harder to work out in the UK with 17.5 per cent VAT to think about, with the higher price and the current dollar-to-pound exchange rate, it wouldn't be out of the question to suggest that the console is turning a profit in Britain.

This piece of information is found within an interview with Sony's Chief Financial Officer Nobuyuki Oneda, who explained that the company expects to continue reducing the production costs of the PS3 by 15 per cent by March 31st 2011, which is expected to result in "tens of billions of yen." It was then revealed that Sony loses approximately six cents for every dollar of PS3 hardware sales, or $18 for every $299 console sold in the States.

This means that with the console's approximate attach rate of seven games per console, the company is now earning a healthy profit on the PS3's combined hardware and software sales."

SolidTy

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]Only in the US, if they are making profit in other regions then they could easily be making an overall profit on hardware sold.

The US makes like what 20-30% of all PS3's sold?

So ya it's not a fact...

Gambler_3

that $18 is a calculation based off the 6% lose in regards to the $299 price point in the U.S.

their losses would be different in europe, UK, Japan, etc....

excerpt from the link:

"It was then revealed that Sony loses approximately six cents for every dollar of PS3 hardware sales"

so ya... its a fact. and your attempts at trying to diffuse a fact is getting pretty sad... :|

From your link,

"Although it's harder to work out in the UK with 17.5 per cent VAT to think about, with the higher price and the current dollar-to-pound exchange rate, it wouldn't be out of the question to suggest that the console is turning a profit in Britain."

A fact is something which has undisputable evidence to back it up, your claim doesnt have it so it's not a fact!!

ok... so let me get this straight

you dont believe all the '3rd partys' or articles that said sony is losing money on each ps3 sold, and you dont believe their own Chief Financial Officer or Kaz Hirai (sony ceo) who claims the same thing

but you believe the '3rd party' you quoted that says otherwise

hm.....

well, there's not much more i can do... you just listen to what you want i suppose

i mean, its not like you can just open up google and type 'sony losses money on each ps3 sold' and see EVERY single article and interview with their own management confirming this fact...

im done trying to make the blind see... have a nice day

It's funny watching all the lems running rampant on the other thread yet this one is dead silent. Guess they all ran back into hiding (or jumped off a cliff).

OneLazyAsian

Yah gotta admit the Cows really owned the Lemmings on this one,

were only over 5 million behind not 8 take that Lemmings :lol: :roll:

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"]

if it edit the numbers, sony claims that they sold 6+ million over 3 months (oct, nov, dec) 4 if counting jan

and microsoft claims they sold 7+ million over 4 months (sep, oct, nov, dec) 5 if jan is counted

i_am_interested

these new numbers make a lot more sense

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"]

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]You don't count January... i.e. a 4th month... in a fiscal quarter. MSFT was at 33.5 million at the end of FY'10 Q1 i.e. Jul-Sept 2009.

Phaze-Two

these new numbers make a lot more sense

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"] im doing a different kind of math, not quarters, im pointing out that in the earlier thread, people tried to accept the numbers (31 vs 39) as if microsoft sold twice as many within a similar span, 8 million to 4 million (2:1) over 4 month spans and i kept trying to point out that something was wrong while others tried to keep downplaying what i was saying

these new numbers make a lot more sense

FIipMode

So because PS3 is "only" behind by almost 6 million rather then 8 million Lemmings are owned ? guess this is kind of like the last is really first threads. :(