Sony block access to PSN for PSJAILBREAK users

[QUOTE="UnrealDelusion"]

[QUOTE="Zanoh"]

Copyright infringement = to infringe with the intent of stealing = stealing.

Common logic mate, it's stealing. XD

JohnF111

No it's not stealing in the context of taking something away from someone.

excellent example. piracy/copyright infringement is the taking of other people's intellectual property = stealing. plain and simple.

[QUOTE="JohnF111"]

[QUOTE="UnrealDelusion"]

No it's not stealing in the context of taking something away from someone.

dethroned3

excellent example. piracy/copyright infringement is the taking of other people's intellectual property = stealing. plain and simple.

You guys are banging him when he hasn't said a single time that piracy is good. Anyways, the example isn't good. Piracy varies in the description, but it tends to be when there's commercial purpouses. And the word theft is used by those who get their content reproduced without permission. But to the eyes of the law, it's no theft. If you get caught stealing a game from a store, you get a "dont come back" if they catch you, they literally can't arrest you in many countries, since the price doesnt warrant it. If you get caught downloading games you would even be facing hundreds of thousands of fine.

So the copyright infringement is WORSE to the eyes of the law, but you are less likely to be found guilty than a plain theft of a few games from a store.

You guys are banging him when he hasn't said a single time that piracy is good.

blitzcloud

And I'm not downloading anything since I don't own a PS3 but I can understand people who do it with those games which last you a few hours and having to pay $60-70 for them.

UnrealDelusion

The comparison between copyright infringement and theft has nothing to do with the topic anyway, the very fact that he bought it up in first place makes it quite obvious he's trying to justify piracy in some way. I very much doubt he's trolling like this to correct someone.

[QUOTE="blitzcloud"]

You guys are banging him when he hasn't said a single time that piracy is good.

lowe0

And I'm not downloading anything since I don't own a PS3 but I can understand people who do it with those games which last you a few hours and having to pay $60-70 for them.

UnrealDelusion

I would say the same. Some people don't really have places where you can rent the games that indeed last about 20$ worth per hour played. It's an extorsion. Of course the ideal thing is to ignore the game itself and get it once it's in the bargain bin... but i'm not gonna crucifix them for that. I dont see himself admitting it to be good, he's just in a posture of understanding, a bit of empathy if you may call it.

Many times I myself have been against the game industry. I have been sold inferior games to what was advertised. And you're just out of luck if it happens. They don't give you a demo or anything to test it. Some games I needed to download in order to know if they would even RUN properly in my system as their estimations of recommended systems were total lies. The problem is, if a game can be played through in less than a day, how can they refund it? it's almost like "i rent it for free situation". So I believe part of the downloads go there aswell.

Another situation of "illegally" dopwnloaded games is when the person in case buys a game, but the DRM is so restrictive he can't even play it in his two home computers at the same times. There's so much bs in the restrictions and rights of the consumer of videogames, which seem some kind of martial market, where they can purpousedly handicap the game to sell you content afterwards which had been created already and no one investigates if it's a legitimate action or a determined scam towards the players.

About the subject of the thread, i'm glad they get blocked out of the PSN. It's a service given for free subject to the sales revenue to get going. So it's either they maintain it pirate-free or it just succumbs to darkness.

oh what a loss.:roll:

I would say the same. Some people don't really have places where you can rent the games that indeed last about 20$ worth per hour played. It's an extorsion. Of course the ideal thing is to ignore the game itself and get it once it's in the bargain bin... but i'm not gonna crucifix them for that. I dont see himself admitting it to be good, he's just in a posture of understanding, a bit of empathy if you may call it.

Many times I myself have been against the game industry. I have been sold inferior games to what was advertised. And you're just out of luck if it happens. They don't give you a demo or anything to test it. Some games I needed to download in order to know if they would even RUN properly in my system as their estimations of recommended systems were total lies. The problem is, if a game can be played through in less than a day, how can they refund it? it's almost like "i rent it for free situation". So I believe part of the downloads go there aswell.

Another situation of "illegally" dopwnloaded games is when the person in case buys a game, but the DRM is so restrictive he can't even play it in his two home computers at the same times. There's so much bs in the restrictions and rights of the consumer of videogames, which seem some kind of martial market, where they can purpousedly handicap the game to sell you content afterwards which had been created already and no one investigates if it's a legitimate action or a determined scam towards the players.

About the subject of the thread, i'm glad they get blocked out of the PSN. It's a service given for free subject to the sales revenue to get going. So it's either they maintain it pirate-free or it just succumbs to darkness.

blitzcloud

now you're just whining about personal issues.

piracy is stealing. i don't care about your life stories or your justification for piracy.

edit: you've defended that guy again and again. something doesn't seem right;)

I just debated with him and he admitted to be talking about the law, not the effect it produces on people. From that point I have to agree that if you go to the court for pirating games you will not be accused of theft, but rather copyright infringement. is that too much to ask? Sure the guy is baiting, but you all ate the bait, the hook and all up to the rod. Not really defending him, but some of you will be probably suspended while he did say nothing except a group identification related minor thing (consolites, cows, lems, when they make generalizations like that they tend not to be moderated), while you people addressed him directly. So in the end, he wins... not because of the arguments, but the fact he didn't get heated up.

I dont need t o justify piracy because i dislike it and I don't condone it. But I dislike the gaming industry publisher/producer decisions that heavily influence the legit buyer. Don't think DLC was made because of pirates or anything. Stuff like CAPCOM/NAMCO DLC is, in my eyes, a way to produce more revenue than adding to the cost of the retail disc, since the distribution of physical object is gone. This way they just maximize the profit on top of the already hefty price. But hey let's not investigate those actions to determine if they outright scammed you, let's just protect them as if they were our sons. It doesn't work that way for me. Just imagine that from now on, they want to charge for updates on a single iteration of windows. And you happen to discover said update was ready from the get-go.

You know why they do it? because they can. No law will investigate the content being "all they could do", you just buy it and enjoy it, or don't buy it... or download it, because here comes the icing of the cake... they just can't stop that juggernaut either, so they stopped caring for the people who treasure them and buy they games and outright stab them with cosmetic dlc. But for example, I like the fact they put a heavy part of DLC, with the code inside the game box (not on the collector edition, thats just even worse), that's a good way to prevent piracy slightly at least.

On my case, it's quite different. Once a developer/publisher has screwed me, it's dead for me. Last Ubisoft game I bought? R6V ps3 on 2007. And of course I didn't download any games from their company at all. I just neglect them because they're a bad company in my eyes. Not everyone is morally good, so they just download them to screw them back. Can't blame them either.

I just debated with him and he admitted to be talking about the law.blitzcloud

[QUOTE="blitzcloud"]

I just debated with him and he admitted to be talking about the law.Dahaka-UK

So back on topic puhleazeeee...

Is there anyone banned from PSN after using this Jaibreak thingy and are these consoles banned forever like Xbox live Pirates or does PSN work again if they remove the USB stick ?

I Don't kow exactly how these things work , I do feel Sony did good here to protect there businessand has every right .

games are around a third of my weekly wage (£124 a week) and games are £40 but i do have phone bills and tv to pay for aswell every month..oh and obligatory being a student i have to go to the pub a fair bit.

90% of people where I live (Croatia) if you ask them if they have ever pirated something they will say yes. It is perfectly normal here. there are laws but they are not enforced

Someone's actually defending piracy? Lol.

shinrabanshou

[QUOTE="mfp16"][QUOTE="UnrealDelusion"]

copyright infrigment is not the same as stealing. Learn the difference.

UnrealDelusion

Yes there is to steal something you have to take an actual object (in this case the game) away from the owner (developers/publishers). So explain how you do take the object away from the owner without actually touching it.

So yes there is a difference.

[QUOTE="hiryu3"][QUOTE="UnrealDelusion"]

Rentinga game isstealing it. Since you didn't the developers who worked hard on the game to play it.

So your point?

UnrealDelusion

You still didn't buy the game so you stole the game.

[QUOTE="mfp16"][QUOTE="UnrealDelusion"]

copyright infrigment is not the same as stealing. Learn the difference.

Yes there is to steal something you have to take an actual object (in this case the game) away from the owner (developers/publishers). So explain how you do take the object away from the owner without actually touching it.

So yes there is a difference.

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

Someone's actually defending piracy? Lol.

dantesergei

In Croatia games are 100$. Monthly salary is around 800-900$ (good one)

So in my eyes Piracy is:

But sense I have PS3 I can access PSN and PSN is more important then always playing games offline. So no Piracy for me. But maybe one they I'll buy another system only for that purpose.

Don't hate :D

mamkem6

The pirate copies the pig, and the owner of the pig has a pig, but couldn't sell it. The pig just ages and it can't be sold anymore. The owner of the pig raised a pig for no profit. The copier has a fresh pig he didnt pay for.

So even with kid happy candy-filled drawings it's bad.

90% of people where I live (Croatia) if you ask them if they have ever pirated something they will say yes. It is perfectly normal here. there are laws but they are not enforced

mamkem6

Just because everyone does it doesn't make it right or legal.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="UnrealDelusion"]

You mean they get to play those overpriced retail and psn games for free?

and there are alternatives for MP besides PSN.

So no harm done for people who have a Jailbreaked PS3.

UnrealDelusion

Are you trying to justify stealing someone else's work?

You're not stealing anything.

Yes you are, your taking something that technically should cost money. If everybody did it developers wouldn't still make games. The point is so they can make money off your enjoyment. Your stealing. Suck it up.

[QUOTE="mamkem6"]

90% of people where I live (Croatia) if you ask them if they have ever pirated something they will say yes. It is perfectly normal here. there are laws but they are not enforced

LaytonsCat

Just because everyone does it doesn't make it right or legal.

"Warning!:Admitting to pirating video games, or playing pirated video games will result in moderation with a possible suspension duration"lawlessx

I think M$ also did same with gamers who have modded 360badtaker

Good for Sony. I wonder if those who gloried in bashing MS for banning people for modifying their 360's will do the same here? I doubt it, but thats SW!blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]Good for Sony. I wonder if those who gloried in bashing MS for banning people for modifying their 360's will do the same here? I doubt it, but thats SW!lawlessx

and worse flamed people who defended them for doing it.

As a PC gamer who buys all my games legally I have zero tolerance for those who do not

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]Good for Sony. I wonder if those who gloried in bashing MS for banning people for modifying their 360's will do the same here? I doubt it, but thats SW!blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]Good for Sony. I wonder if those who gloried in bashing MS for banning people for modifying their 360's will do the same here? I doubt it, but thats SW!lawlessx

And I have even read stuff like "we pay a subscription, so ms gets our money. They shouldn't ban us". Just to show how enlighted pirates are normally. It's not like there's a full paragraph on the TOU of the service telling you not to modify the hardware if you dont want to be excluded from the service

Too bad, Jailbreak could have fixed a lot of problems with the PS3 by custom firmware. I would have liked improved browsers, Linux, homebrew games, no region block for PS2 games, removing HDCP, etc.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]Good for Sony. I wonder if those who gloried in bashing MS for banning people for modifying their 360's will do the same here? I doubt it, but thats SW!blue_hazy_basic

Good for Sony.

They also banned people for being gayNukePistols

They did, and it's understandable why, though certainly a blow to the individual. However, IIRC, they have changed their profiles for accepting specific terms outlining an individual's sexual preference.

Considering my horrible experience with the online with hackers in the PSP, I'd say good riddance to those jailbreak users.