Sony block access to PSN for PSJAILBREAK users

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="UnrealDelusion"]

You're not stealing anything.

UnrealDelusion

Yeah, you're just downloading it for free without them knowing instead of paying for it like they intended to.

copyright infrigment is not the same as stealing. Learn the difference.

And I'm not downloading anything since I don't own a PS3 but I can understand people who do it with those games which last you a few hours and having to pay $60-70 for them.

I still don't see how people can justify piracy. It makes zero sense. It's obviously illegal (regardless if you want to argue if the "original" copy is stolen or not) and just because you don't make enough to be buying games (or said product) doesn't mean you have the right to download it. Games (like other entertainment media) is a privilege, not a right.zero_snake99

It's insane how people try to justify not paying for their games. I understand why people do it, but damn it annoys the hell out of me when they "try" and justify it. You are committing an illegal act, own up to it and cut the spin.

GOOD! And yes, piracy is THEFT. NukePistols

I think the illegal act is trying to block used game sales. Still, PS3 wasn't really hacked, just the tool to put it in developer mode was leaked. It's still pretty unhackable at this point. Of course, now that hackers have access to the inner workings, im sure similar hacks to the 360 will come out for ps3 soon enough. But for all those that got blocked, LOL suckers!

you have got to be kidding me. This is BS issue someone decides to bring up?

Since the days of xbox 1....if ANYTHING was not microsoft approved that was on your xbox, you get banned from xbox live for life....obviously the same way with 360.

So seriously. congrats gossip girl.

[QUOTE="NukePistols"]GOOD! And yes, piracy is THEFT. DerekLoffin

[QUOTE="NukePistols"]GOOD! And yes, piracy is THEFT. DerekLoffin

Ethically, it is the same. In both cases you are trying to get access to something you have not paid money for.

Ethically, both acts are dishonest.

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="NukePistols"]GOOD! And yes, piracy is THEFT. DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"] No it isn't. It is not ethically the same, and most importantly not legally the same (actually, copyright infringement can get you into far worse trouble than the equivalent theft).DerekLoffin

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="NukePistols"]GOOD! And yes, piracy is THEFT. heretrix

Ethically, it is the same. In both cases you are trying to get access to something you have not paid money for.

Ethically, both acts are dishonest.

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Piracy is theft: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmZm8vNHBSU

DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"] No, a propaganda video doesn't change that.DerekLoffin

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Yes, a video put out by the Motion Pictures Association of America, which represents all the major film industries. Clearly its propaganda to get people do stop ILLEGALY downloading movies

DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Yes, a video put out by the Motion Pictures Association of America, which represents all the major film industries. Clearly its propaganda to get people do stop ILLEGALY downloading movies

DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"] Yeah it is illegal, so? The MPAA can call it whatever they want, doesn't make them right. Hell, as I said in the other post, even they clearly don't go by that logic because they will burn you 100X worse than the theft laws would.DerekLoffin

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"] Yeah it is illegal, so? The MPAA can call it whatever they want, doesn't make them right. Hell, as I said in the other post, even they clearly don't go by that logic because they will burn you 100X worse than the theft laws would.DerekLoffin

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Yes, a video put out by the Motion Pictures Association of America, which represents all the major film industries. Clearly its propaganda to get people do stop ILLEGALY downloading movies

DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"] Yeah it is illegal, so? The MPAA can call it whatever they want, doesn't make them right. Hell, as I said in the other post, even they clearly don't go by that logic because they will burn you 100X worse than the theft laws would.Tyrant156

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] So you think piracy isnt stealing?

zero_snake99

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="zero_snake99"] But it's illegal :lol: Some of these people make no sense. "It's not stealing, but it's illegal, but it's ok to do it." :lol: :lol: :lol:zero_snake99

"Copyright infringement (or copyright violation) is the unauthorized or prohibited use of works covered by copyright law, in a way that violates one of the copyright owner's exclusive rights, such as the right to reproduce or perform the copyrighted work, or to make derivative works."

"Theft is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent."

In short, you take the work of said person/company without their consent, thus it being unauthorized and prohibited. Get it through your skull.

Oh, ans Zero, I have never once said okay to do. So, stop openly lying in your sig.DerekLoffin

Oh, ans Zero, I have never once said okay to do. So, stop openly lying in your sig.DerekLoffin

Just tell him to remove it, and if that doesn't work then report it to the mods. You need permission to quote within your sig.

[QUOTE="zero_snake99"]

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"] Murder is illegal too. So is driving under the influence and countless other things. They aren't the same, and certainly are the same as piracy. You guys seem to have an issue admitting that simple truth. But, hey, I understand simple concepts of law, and language, are clearly above your primitive level of understanding, so I'll be kind.DerekLoffin

"Copyright infringement (or copyright violation) is the unauthorized or prohibited use of works covered by copyright law, in a way that violates one of the copyright owner's exclusive rights, such as the right to reproduce or perform the copyrighted work, or to make derivative works."

"Theft is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent."

In short, you take the work of said person/company without their consent, thus it being unauthorized and prohibited. Get it through your skull.

[QUOTE="Tyrant156"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] So you think piracy isnt stealing?

zero_snake99

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]Oh, ans Zero, I have never once said okay to do. So, stop openly lying in your sig.zero_snake99

"Yeah, shooting heroine is illegal. So?" See what I mean?

[QUOTE="zero_snake99"][QUOTE="Tyrant156"] Piracy can involve stealing, but it's not defined as stealing. You can actual buy DVDs from the store and then sell copies of the movies you purchased, it's illegal, but you haven't stolen anything. Tyrant156

Don't bother with those brick walls it has been proven time and time again in this thread that piracy doesn't fall under the crime oftheft but they just won't admit it.

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="zero_snake99"]

"Copyright infringement (or copyright violation) is the unauthorized or prohibited use of works covered by copyright law, in a way that violates one of the copyright owner's exclusive rights, such as the right to reproduce or perform the copyrighted work, or to make derivative works."

"Theft is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent."

In short, you take the work of said person/company without their consent, thus it being unauthorized and prohibited. Get it through your skull.

zero_snake99

Yeah, case closed, as you once more prove that you can't read or understand:

And I'll quote (funny I have to quote a post you refer to in your own sig, but hey):

"Stealing is not actually the same thing as theft. Theft is legal term. Stealing is more the common terminology and doesn't have as hard a restriction on it's use as theft does. Technically, if we are going to go by the english definition of steal then piracy would be stealing, but stealing isn't equivalent to theft (it is one necessary condition for a theft though, the other being that physical properties directly or indirect be deprived from the owner)."

[QUOTE="Tyrant156"]

[QUOTE="zero_snake99"] Yeah you have, you sold something that isn't yours. When you purchase something media related, you purchase the license, selling the copies of the movie while having a single license is illegal.loadedboon

Don't bother with those brick walls it has been proven time and time again in this thread that piracy doesn't fall under the crime oftheft but they just won't admit it.

[QUOTE="zero_snake99"][QUOTE="DerekLoffin"] I have gotten it through my skull, but I think you missed the point of your own post, since it doesn't support the point you are trying to make and doesn't in the least contradict mine.DerekLoffin

Yeah, case closed, as you once more prove that you can't read or understand:

And I'll quote (funny I have to quote a post you refer to in your own sig, but hey):

"Stealing is not actually the same thing as theft. Theft is legal term. Stealing is more the common terminology and doesn't have as hard a restriction on it's use as theft does. Technically, if we are going to go by the english definition of steal then piracy would be stealing, but stealing isn't equivalent to theft (it is one necessary condition for a theft though, the other being that physical properties directly or indirect be deprived from the owner)."

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]

[QUOTE="zero_snake99"] You said piracy isn't stealing, when copyright infringement implies theft. Derp. Case closed. You lose.zero_snake99

Yeah, case closed, as you once more prove that you can't read or understand:

And I'll quote (funny I have to quote a post you refer to in your own sig, but hey):

"Stealing is not actually the same thing as theft. Theft is legal term. Stealing is more the common terminology and doesn't have as hard a restriction on it's use as theft does. Technically, if we are going to go by the english definition of steal then piracy would be stealing, but stealing isn't equivalent to theft (it is one necessary condition for a theft though, the other being that physical properties directly or indirect be deprived from the owner)."

*sigh* What is so hard to understand for you people?

When you are taken to court for piracy you are being charged with copyright infringement NOT THEFT!

Theft requires you to steal an actual object which is clearly not the case with piracy.

So simple logic concludes: YES IT'S A CRIME!!!! but you're not stealing according to the law in fact copyright infringement is seen as a worse crime to commit in court.

So bassicly what you people are claiming is that pirates are criminals but not as bad as you all are claiming since you all claim it's theft thus the lesser crime of the two.

Also guys, its illegal in the US. In Canada, you can actually pirate things like music and it is perfectly legal for personal and nonprofit use. Crazy huh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_sharing_in_Canada

""Downloading music for personal use, or non-profit use is no longer targeted, and is legal." Noël St-Hilaire, head of copyright theft investigations of the RCMP, said in an interview with Le Devoir."

I'm not saying I support piracy or anything. I'm just saying the US isn't the world.

[QUOTE="zero_snake99"][QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]

Yeah, case closed, as you once more prove that you can't read or understand:

And I'll quote (funny I have to quote a post you refer to in your own sig, but hey):

"Stealing is not actually the same thing as theft. Theft is legal term. Stealing is more the common terminology and doesn't have as hard a restriction on it's use as theft does. Technically, if we are going to go by the english definition of steal then piracy would be stealing, but stealing isn't equivalent to theft (it is one necessary condition for a theft though, the other being that physical properties directly or indirect be deprived from the owner)."

loadedboon

*sigh* What is so hard to understand for you people?

When you are taken to court for piracy you are being charged with copyright infringement NOT THEFT!

Also guys, its illegal in the US. In Canada, you can actually pirate things like music and it is perfectly legal for personal and nonprofit use. Crazy huh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_sharing_in_Canada

""Downloading music for personal use, or non-profit use is no longer targeted, and is legal." Noël St-Hilaire, head of copyright theft investigations of the RCMP, said in an interview with Le Devoir."

I'm not saying I support piracy or anything. I'm just saying the US isn't the world.

argetlam00

Here's another good link which goes into detail on the matter.

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

[QUOTE="zero_snake99"] The act of theft is stealing. Also, while "theft" is never directly used in the Copyright Act, it has never been completely disregarded as that. There are times where courts have distinguished a difference between a "thief" and an "infringer of copyright" but as I stated already, there is on exclusivity to those phrases. It's still in question whether theft has to deprive the victim of said property.zero_snake99

*sigh* What is so hard to understand for you people?

When you are taken to court for piracy you are being charged with copyright infringement NOT THEFT!

why did you leave out the rest of my post which said copyright infringement is considered the heavier crime to theft?

Also guys, its illegal in the US. In Canada, you can actually pirate things like music and it is perfectly legal for personal and nonprofit use. Crazy huh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_sharing_in_Canada

argetlam00

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Also guys, its illegal in the US. In Canada, you can actually pirate things like music and it is perfectly legal for personal and nonprofit use. Crazy huh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_sharing_in_Canada

""Downloading music for personal use, or non-profit use is no longer targeted, and is legal." Noël St-Hilaire, head of copyright theft investigations of the RCMP, said in an interview with Le Devoir."

I'm not saying I support piracy or anything. I'm just saying the US isn't the world.

lundy86_4

Here's another good link which goes into detail on the matter.

interesting. So basically its legal to download music but not anything else? So stupid. Why don't they just completely make it illegal?

interesting. So basically its legal to download music but not anything else? So stupid. Why don't they just completely make it illegal?

argetlam00

As far as I can tell. He seems to back up his points relatively well, so it would seem so.

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

interesting. So basically its legal to download music but not anything else? So stupid. Why don't they just completely make it illegal?

lundy86_4

As far as I can tell. He seems to back up his points relatively well, so it would seem so.

Wouldn't making it illegal to download music also mean having to close down the sites which legally sell singles and albums through download?

Wouldn't making it illegal to download music also mean having to close down the sites which legally sell singles and albums through download?

loadedboon

The act of downloading the music freely or providing the music freely would be the illegal act. Purchasing music through legitimate sites is fine, as you are paying for the product.

[QUOTE="zero_snake99"][QUOTE="loadedboon"]

*sigh* What is so hard to understand for you people?

When you are taken to court for piracy you are being charged with copyright infringement NOT THEFT!

loadedboon

why did you leave out the rest of my post which said copyright infringement is considered the heavier crime to theft?

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

Wouldn't making it illegal to download music also mean having to close down the sites which legally sell singles and albums through download?

lundy86_4

The act of downloading the music freely or providing the music freely would be the illegal act. Purchasing music through legitimate sites is fine, as you are paying for the product.

Well if you think a bit further when you keep those sites in the air still means one person pays for the album and then spreads it. So if they want to put a stop to it (which they can't if you are realistic) they also have to take those sites offline.

Well if you think a bit further when you keep those sites in the air still means one person pays for the album and then spreads it. So if they want to put a stop to it (which they can't if you are realistic) they also have to take those sites offline.

loadedboon

The article states:

"The reality is Canadian law features a private copying exemption that includes a levy on blank media. The Federal Court and the Copyright Board of Canada have intimated the levy, which has generated hundreds of millions of dollars, could apply to personal, non-commercial downloading of sound recordings onto certain blank media. The law therefore opens the door to some legalized music downloading, but it does not cover other content (movies or software) or the uploading of any content."

To be fair, i'm realtively confused by the issue. He doesn't specify exactly what is legal and illegal, and just denots that "some" music downloading is legal. It's interesting, so I think i'll look into this more eventually :P

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

Well if you think a bit further when you keep those sites in the air still means one person pays for the album and then spreads it. So if they want to put a stop to it (which they can't if you are realistic) they also have to take those sites offline.

lundy86_4

The article states:

"The reality is Canadian law features a private copying exemption that includes a levy on blank media. The Federal Court and the Copyright Board of Canada have intimated the levy, which has generated hundreds of millions of dollars, could apply to personal, non-commercial downloading of sound recordings onto certain blank media. The law therefore opens the door to some legalized music downloading, but it does not cover other content (movies or software) or the uploading of any content."

To be fair, i'm realtively confused by the issue. He doesn't specify exactly what is legal and illegal, and just denots that "some" music downloading is legal. It's interesting, so I think i'll look into this more eventually :P

That still doesn't negate my point if they make it illegal since like i said one person pays for the album online and then spreads it through other means. So if they actually want to stop this they have to close down the legal sites and retailers selling cd's since you can rip the tracks and spread them.

In other words it's impossible to stop it. How sad it maybe this is just the reality.

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

Well if you think a bit further when you keep those sites in the air still means one person pays for the album and then spreads it. So if they want to put a stop to it (which they can't if you are realistic) they also have to take those sites offline.

lundy86_4

The article states:

"The reality is Canadian law features a private copying exemption that includes a levy on blank media. The Federal Court and the Copyright Board of Canada have intimated the levy, which has generated hundreds of millions of dollars, could apply to personal, non-commercial downloading of sound recordings onto certain blank media. The law therefore opens the door to some legalized music downloading, but it does not cover other content (movies or software) or the uploading of any content."

To be fair, i'm realtively confused by the issue. He doesn't specify exactly what is legal and illegal, and just denots that "some" music downloading is legal. It's interesting, so I think i'll look into this more eventually :P

In canadian, I am not even sure what is legal and illegal, some people say downloading music/movies is legal, companys wont even report you if they know you are illegally downloading, because they want the business lol

That still doesn't negate my point if they make it illegal since like i said one person pays for the album online and then spreads it through other means. So if they actually want to stop this they have to close down the legal sites and retailers selling cd's since you can rip the tracks and spread them.

In other words it's impossible to stop it. How sad it maybe this is just the reality.

loadedboon

Nah, I wasn't debating your point as I said I was relatively confused by the situation. Much of it seems to stem from a lack of funds and manpower on behalf of the RCMP to investigate everyone and all download sites operating in Canada etc.

That's true, assuming of course that they initially purchase the tracks legally and don't just download from another site and pass it on.

[QUOTE="sanim02"]Horray for pir--- I mean web borrowing!:P I understand why some people would pirate but that doesn't mean it's any good or that you should be doing it if your short on cash. Not everyone was raised the same way with the same morals and values guys. Some despite loving games have a hard time keeping up so saying quit gaming won't really help either.:P Now I buy my games for my ps3 and it pisses me off when people take advantage of piracy when I have to pay $67 for my games (including taxes). So I'm all for this new psn blocking movement by Sony but I highly doubt that most of the pirates really care about trophies or online, which sorta sucks but hey, free is free!:x ps: hate posting on iPhone -_- won't let me bold:cry: lawlessx

Yup, Wal Mart, Best Buy or Futureshop around Montreal charge $59.99 + taxes which come up to $67 but that's just them, Gamestop is a jerk around here cuz they jack up their prices to $64.99 for PS3/360 games and that's around $73 with taxes. :x

Wii games are as usual, $10 less however, same with PC.