Amazing how it's been happening since Saturday and I hear about it today in System wars of all places... Why isn't the US news covering this?What's going on?
London in a Riot? What started this?
LegatoSkyheart
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Amazing how it's been happening since Saturday and I hear about it today in System wars of all places... Why isn't the US news covering this?What's going on?
London in a Riot? What started this?
LegatoSkyheart
[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]Amazing how it's been happening since Saturday and I hear about it today in System wars of all places... Why isn't the US news covering this?What's going on?
London in a Riot? What started this?
Midnightshade29
I haven't looked at the News lately, so maybe they have or not I don't know.
I think a Police Officer shot someone and all hell went loose. A lot of people aren't sure what the ---- happenShadowDeathX
I saw on Know your Meme that some guy Shot at a Police Officer and the Police Officer Shot and Killed the Guy and that caused people to do a Protest for the man which evolved into a Riot which has nothing to do with the guy who was shot and killed which started this in the first place.
This whole mess is Stupid! It's just people that Riot just to Riot!
All human beings have a switch in our brains that prevents the animal part of us from taking over. Riots happen when there's a big group of people, and one of their switches turns off. Before you know it, all of them have turned into animals, and you have a riot. It doesn't matter what the reason for it all is-- usually it's something stupid, and at the end of the day the people who were supposedly angry are just stealing and destroying people's property or beating them senseless just for kicks. I think it's safe to say that the kind of people who attend riots are generally bad people, and they are just waiting to get their hands on a free TV or beat up someone who they can imagine is their mean old daddy.What's going on?
London in a Riot? What started this?
LegatoSkyheart
they werent doing it for anybody, they were just thieves, simple asThis is off-topic, but this made me really sad. The damage done by those STUPID looters to this 89 year old man. All because some stupid youth decide to have a riot for Mark Duggen who got shot, even though he shot a cop before.
OB-47
The london riots has resulted in the burning down of a Sony warehouse in north london,
BBC News - Sony distribution centre engulfed by flames
Zaibach
It's terrible not only because its a distribution center for (i think) UK and Ireland, but thats a ton of lost jobs that are absolutely needed these days, they should've used rubber bullets on the little thugs.
Its on Sky News right now, the whole building is completely destroyed.
[QUOTE="Zaibach"]
Its time for civic change, Social renewal and evolution of our place in society, in the world, hell in the universe.
hypoty
Or it's time to ban Grand Theft Auto, according to this London Constable.
Games arent to blame for horrible people. They've been around long before games were ever concieved.
Its too bad really the riot as whole is just wrong its not helping anyone. Must remark you always hear about the brits, and pretty much every one else not american talking about how stupid and animalistic americans are...and yet they have riots over things like soccer games...seems to me they riot far more then americans do.
Its too bad really the riot as whole is just wrong its not helping anyone. Must remark you always hear about the brits, and pretty much every one else not american talking about how stupid and animalistic americans are...and yet they have riots over things like soccer games...seems to me they riot far more then americans do.
WilliamRLBaker
Football hooliganism cant really be considered rioting, otherwise rioting is a rare occurence in the UK which is why its such big news atm. Anyway dont turn this into a UK vs. US thing.
[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]
Its too bad really the riot as whole is just wrong its not helping anyone. Must remark you always hear about the brits, and pretty much every one else not american talking about how stupid and animalistic americans are...and yet they have riots over things like soccer games...seems to me they riot far more then americans do.
Snugenz
Football hooliganism cant really be considered rioting, otherwise rioting is a rare occurence in the UK which is why its such big news atm. Anyway dont turn this into a UK vs. US thing.
Its not a US UK thing and sorry but when I hear of fires and overturned cop cars because of a football game then its a riot World wide countries have far more riots then america does. Luckily this wasn't caused by a soccer game and an actual event that would cause a riot.[QUOTE="Snugenz"]
[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]
Its too bad really the riot as whole is just wrong its not helping anyone. Must remark you always hear about the brits, and pretty much every one else not american talking about how stupid and animalistic americans are...and yet they have riots over things like soccer games...seems to me they riot far more then americans do.
WilliamRLBaker
Football hooliganism cant really be considered rioting, otherwise rioting is a rare occurence in the UK which is why its such big news atm. Anyway dont turn this into a UK vs. US thing.
Its not a US UK thing and sorry but when I hear of fires and overturned cop cars because of a football game then its a riot World wide countries have far more riots then america does. Luckily this wasn't caused by a soccer game and an actual event that would cause a riot. No it isn't, these stupid kids aren't rioting because somebody got shot they are just opportunist scum most of which couldn't even name the bloke shot.[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]Its not a US UK thing and sorry but when I hear of fires and overturned cop cars because of a football game then its a riot World wide countries have far more riots then america does. Luckily this wasn't caused by a soccer game and an actual event that would cause a riot. No it isn't, these stupid kids aren't rioting because somebody got shot they are just opportunist scum most of which couldn't even name the bloke shot.[QUOTE="Snugenz"]
Football hooliganism cant really be considered rioting, otherwise rioting is a rare occurence in the UK which is why its such big news atm. Anyway dont turn this into a UK vs. US thing.
SapSacPrime
Wow this thread gone in a none SW'ish way.
If it was just oppertunistic scum the riots wouldn't have lasted 3 days, or been so violent. Maybe the people who are rioting are just fed up with being dumbed on by the UK society?
I wouldn't know because none of the media are even trying the slightest to contact some of rioters and ask for their point of view.
No it isn't, these stupid kids aren't rioting because somebody got shot they are just opportunist scum most of which couldn't even name the bloke shot.[QUOTE="SapSacPrime"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] Its not a US UK thing and sorry but when I hear of fires and overturned cop cars because of a football game then its a riot World wide countries have far more riots then america does. Luckily this wasn't caused by a soccer game and an actual event that would cause a riot.
aGOODdude
Wow this thread gone in a none SW'ish way.
If it was just oppertunistic scum the riots wouldn't have lasted 3 days, or been so violent. Maybe the people who are rioting are just fed up with being dumbed on by the UK society?
I wouldn't know because none of the media are even trying the slightest to contact some of rioters and ask for their point of view.
Np .. i start the classic SW chat . LOOOOL i guess sony will never catch up to MS now in sales in the UK and in general :PPPP (Sarcasm).No it isn't, these stupid kids aren't rioting because somebody got shot they are just opportunist scum most of which couldn't even name the bloke shot.[QUOTE="SapSacPrime"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] Its not a US UK thing and sorry but when I hear of fires and overturned cop cars because of a football game then its a riot World wide countries have far more riots then america does. Luckily this wasn't caused by a soccer game and an actual event that would cause a riot.
aGOODdude
Wow this thread gone in a none SW'ish way.
If it was just oppertunistic scum the riots wouldn't have lasted 3 days, or been so violent. Maybe the people who are rioting are just fed up with being dumbed on by the UK society?
I wouldn't know because none of the media are even trying the slightest to contact some of rioters and ask for their point of view.
this isnt a riot, its a crime wave,if you go round smashing shops and lighitng them on fire dont have a cause or a point of view
i don't feel sorry for SONY, they are covered by insurance, i feel sorry for the people who are experiencing random acts of violence and losing there homes ,possesions and livelihoods through this,some sicko here in northampton has started a facebook page arranging a riot here on the 13th, what's happening over here is discusting, at least the people rioting in other countrys rae rioting for the cause of freedom, these sicko's over here are just robbing and stealing, can't wait to see the looks on there faces when they eat water cannon later.I feel sorry for sony right now. I hope they fixed the damage done by the looters and the fire.
super600
[QUOTE="aGOODdude"][QUOTE="SapSacPrime"] No it isn't, these stupid kids aren't rioting because somebody got shot they are just opportunist scum most of which couldn't even name the bloke shot.sts106mat
Wow this thread gone in a none SW'ish way.
If it was just oppertunistic scum the riots wouldn't have lasted 3 days, or been so violent. Maybe the people who are rioting are just fed up with being dumbed on by the UK society?
I wouldn't know because none of the media are even trying the slightest to contact some of rioters and ask for their point of view.
The police are afraid of hitting any of the rioters in case they get done by the Independant police complaints commission. Its a huge mess, i wouldn't care if they sent the army in with a shoot to kill policy. we dont need scumbags like this. completely agree mate, thes scum have no place in this country, the best cure for these people is a long drop followed by a short stop.said warehouse afaik is one for the likes of CD's so theres a possibility that PS3 game stock in the UK MIGHT be affected.But i doubt it Sony will prolly havesome plan in place to keep it all flowing.
As i've said as a brit im appaled at so many people acting like this, lets just get the army on the streets aswell as the Military police to sort em out :P
[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]Its not a US UK thing and sorry but when I hear of fires and overturned cop cars because of a football game then its a riot World wide countries have far more riots then america does. Luckily this wasn't caused by a soccer game and an actual event that would cause a riot. its got nothing to do with a football game. a peacefull demonstration following a police shooting escalated into violence and the rioting/looting has continued since saturday night in london. Other cities like Liverpool and Birmingham last night saw "copycat" trouble on a smaller scale. this is huge news because Riots in the UK are quite rare, certainly on this scale anyway.[QUOTE="Snugenz"]
Football hooliganism cant really be considered rioting, otherwise rioting is a rare occurence in the UK which is why its such big news atm. Anyway dont turn this into a UK vs. US thing.
sts106mat
im gonna say this we only seem to have rioting when Tories are in power :P
Up here nothings happened in Scotland YET but i can see something happenin tonight in Glasgow for some reason -_-.
Also WilliamRLBaker might be wise to read up on football holiganism which is really small scale nad handled well and its now fairly rare, this is a total random out the blue thing we havent had any major rioting since the early 90's when we had the poll tax riots.The violence during education protests last year were pretty small scale and easily quashed and NI is well..NI but its went quiet after a fairly small flare up.
Pretty much what happened in Greece in 2008 when a cop shot a 15-year old. Everyone hates the cops ever since~
On a more SW note, I bet lems put that warehouse on fire :twisted:
[QUOTE="aGOODdude"][QUOTE="SapSacPrime"] No it isn't, these stupid kids aren't rioting because somebody got shot they are just opportunist scum most of which couldn't even name the bloke shot.sts106mat
Wow this thread gone in a none SW'ish way.
If it was just oppertunistic scum the riots wouldn't have lasted 3 days, or been so violent. Maybe the people who are rioting are just fed up with being dumbed on by the UK society?
I wouldn't know because none of the media are even trying the slightest to contact some of rioters and ask for their point of view.
The police are afraid of hitting any of the rioters in case they get done by the Independant police complaints commission. Its a huge mess, i wouldn't care if they sent the army in with a shoot to kill policy. we dont need scumbags like this. I'd say a shoot to kill policy would be too harsh, especially since there is a chance that some of the rioters are simply misguided kids (and by kids I mean individuals between the ages of 16-19). The other issue is there is a chance that they could mistake someone for a rioter. That being said, they should take more steps (more violent steps I guess) to try and stop this riot, I dont know if they are using rubber bullets, but they should start if not, use tear gas and other stuff, and maybe, in the worst possible situation, potentially employ live ammunition to scare them of (but not shoot at the crowd, that would be madness and too many casualties would result from this)its got nothing to do with a football game. a peacefull demonstration following a police shooting escalated into violence and the rioting/looting has continued since saturday night in london. Other cities like Liverpool and Birmingham last night saw "copycat" trouble on a smaller scale. this is huge news because Riots in the UK are quite rare, certainly on this scale anyway.[QUOTE="sts106mat"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] Its not a US UK thing and sorry but when I hear of fires and overturned cop cars because of a football game then its a riot World wide countries have far more riots then america does. Luckily this wasn't caused by a soccer game and an actual event that would cause a riot.
razgriz_101
im gonna say this we only seem to have rioting when Tories are in power :P
Up here nothings happened in Scotland YET but i can see something happenin tonight in Glasgow for some reason -_-.
Also WilliamRLBaker might be wise to read up on football holiganism which is really small scale nad handled well and its now fairly rare, this is a total random out the blue thing we havent had any major rioting since the early 90's when we had the poll tax riots.The violence during education protests last year were pretty small scale and easily quashed and NI is well..NI but its went quiet after a fairly small flare up.
it amazes me that whenever anything like this happens here people always jump the gun and ascossiate it with football,lolPretty much what happened in Greece in 2008 when a cop shot a 15-year old. Everyone hates the cops ever since~
On a more SW note, I bet lems put that warehouse on fire :twisted:
QQabitmoar
Thing is, the guy who was shot actually shot the police :-/ thats what i dont get.
The police are afraid of hitting any of the rioters in case they get done by the Independant police complaints commission. Its a huge mess, i wouldn't care if they sent the army in with a shoot to kill policy. we dont need scumbags like this. I'd say a shoot to kill policy would be too harsh, especially since there is a chance that some of the rioters are simply misguided kids (and by kids I mean individuals between the ages of 16-19). The other issue is there is a chance that they could mistake someone for a rioter. That being said, they should take more steps (more violent steps I guess) to try and stop this riot, I dont know if they are using rubber bullets, but they should start if not, use tear gas and other stuff, and maybe, in the worst possible situation, potentially employ live ammunition to scare them of (but not shoot at the crowd, that would be madness and too many casualties would result from this)all they really need to do is deploy the army in riot gear with FRG's and tear gas, they have many years of experience dealing with the rioting seasons in NI, they would soon have this under control, i know, i was there in 94[QUOTE="sts106mat"][QUOTE="aGOODdude"]
Wow this thread gone in a none SW'ish way.
If it was just oppertunistic scum the riots wouldn't have lasted 3 days, or been so violent. Maybe the people who are rioting are just fed up with being dumbed on by the UK society?
I wouldn't know because none of the media are even trying the slightest to contact some of rioters and ask for their point of view.
jonathant5
[QUOTE="QQabitmoar"]
Pretty much what happened in Greece in 2008 when a cop shot a 15-year old. Everyone hates the cops ever since~
On a more SW note, I bet lems put that warehouse on fire :twisted:
razgriz_101
Thing is, the guy who was shot actually shot the police :-/ thats what i dont get.
that is still unclear, no one knows who fired first or if he even had a gun. Guy was a father of fourPeople have lost faith in the Police force. Police have been know for years to come down hard on poor areas of London, like Tottenham, so they already were viewed poorly.
After this shooting, and the information blackout which followed, people were always likely to protest. Sadly, during that peaceful protest some people, probably from neighbouring boroughs, have decided to cause mass riots, taking advantage of the situation for personal gain.
As for the shooting in question, eye witnesses claim there was no shootout, and that Mark didn't shoot at the police. A bullet found lodged in the policeman's radio was then proven to be a police issue bullet. Seems to me that the police have decided to put some vigilante justice into play, and then out of fear of being caught out, fabricated this story and evidence.
[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]
[QUOTE="QQabitmoar"]
Pretty much what happened in Greece in 2008 when a cop shot a 15-year old. Everyone hates the cops ever since~
On a more SW note, I bet lems put that warehouse on fire :twisted:
Zaibach
Thing is, the guy who was shot actually shot the police :-/ thats what i dont get.
that is still unclear, no one knows who fired first or if he even had a gun. Guy was a father of four Its still unconfirmed and since the police are staying quiet I would say they planted the weapon trying to make it seem like they shot him for a reason. Police are scum as well and a lot has happened against the black community (stop and search) that they are feed up. Then these whites are just trying to be cool.I'd say a shoot to kill policy would be too harsh, especially since there is a chance that some of the rioters are simply misguided kids (and by kids I mean individuals between the ages of 16-19). The other issue is there is a chance that they could mistake someone for a rioter. That being said, they should take more steps (more violent steps I guess) to try and stop this riot, I dont know if they are using rubber bullets, but they should start if not, use tear gas and other stuff, and maybe, in the worst possible situation, potentially employ live ammunition to scare them of (but not shoot at the crowd, that would be madness and too many casualties would result from this) I am not saying we should really shoot them, but basically, the use of tear gas / rubber bullets is out of the question. This all started because the ethnic minority in tottenham felt the police could have done more to explain "why" to the family of a man who the police shot and killed 5 hours before they contacted the family. then started the violence & problems and now gangs of both black and white idiots are running amock.[QUOTE="jonathant5"]
[QUOTE="sts106mat"] The police are afraid of hitting any of the rioters in case they get done by the Independant police complaints commission. Its a huge mess, i wouldn't care if they sent the army in with a shoot to kill policy. we dont need scumbags like this. sts106mat
Whislt I totally agree with you and the tear gas etc, it dont think it will happen, using tear gas / rubber bulltets might, at this point, make matters worse. The police / government will be concerned of the likelihood of being criticised for " using un-neccessary force and allegations of racial abuse etc etc". its a joke, the overly PC nature of this country has gotten us into this mess.
we never had aproblem using rubber bullets and tear gas in NI, so ipersonally don't see aproblem using it here but like you say mate things have gotten too PC in this country, a rubber bullet to the stomach will quickly deter these people without seriously wounding or killing them, the only problem with baton rounds is if you miss and hit them in the head, there is also the problem of tear gas cannisters being thrown back at the police as we saw in NI, that can turn a situation nasty real quick.[QUOTE="Jesus_on_fire"]
[QUOTE="eboyishere"]
ou sure that was part of the loot?
eboyishere
Not the looting of the Sony warehouse, just the general London riot looting
ah i see....
i have a vid from a kid that was injured and getting robbed on the spot...little bloody so warning......
I shouldnt have watched that clip, now im so angry!!!! but Im not gonna cause a riot[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="jonathant5"] I'd say a shoot to kill policy would be too harsh, especially since there is a chance that some of the rioters are simply misguided kids (and by kids I mean individuals between the ages of 16-19). The other issue is there is a chance that they could mistake someone for a rioter. That being said, they should take more steps (more violent steps I guess) to try and stop this riot, I dont know if they are using rubber bullets, but they should start if not, use tear gas and other stuff, and maybe, in the worst possible situation, potentially employ live ammunition to scare them of (but not shoot at the crowd, that would be madness and too many casualties would result from this)sts106matall they really need to do is deploy the army in riot gear with FRG's and tear gas, they have many years of experience dealing with the rioting seasons in NI, they would soon have this under control, i know, i was there in 94 FRG's?? You mean the Fuel Rod Guns from Halo Reach, that would work really well, good idea Delts LOLi wish, nah i meant these http://www.saracenexports.com/shop/shop.php?action=full&id=865
[QUOTE="Zaibach"]that is still unclear, no one knows who fired first or if he even had a gun. Guy was a father of four Its still unconfirmed and since the police are staying quiet I would say they planted the weapon trying to make it seem like they shot him for a reason. Police are scum as well and a lot has happened against the black community (stop and search) that they are feed up. Then these whites are just trying to be cool.this is not a race thing, it happens all over the world. regardless the cause of it all now is irrelevant, the damage has been done[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]
Thing is, the guy who was shot actually shot the police :-/ thats what i dont get.
viper-kid
[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="sts106mat"] I am not saying we should really shoot them, but basically, the use of tear gas / rubber bullets is out of the question. This all started because the ethnic minority in tottenham felt the police could have done more to explain "why" to the family of a man who the police shot and killed 5 hours before they contacted the family. then started the violence & problems and now gangs of both black and white idiots are running amock.we never had aproblem using rubber bullets and tear gas in NI, so ipersonally don't see aproblem using it here but like you say mate things have gotten too PC in this country, a rubber bullet to the stomach will quickly deter these people without seriously wounding or killing them, the only problem with baton rounds is if you miss and hit them in the head, there is also the problem of tear gas cannisters being thrown back at the police as we saw in NI, that can turn a situation nasty real quick. it needs bringing under control and a zero tolerance policy. From what i have been reading, they are making arrests, but are watching rather than acting, might be wrong. get the army in FFS.Whislt I totally agree with you and the tear gas etc, it dont think it will happen, using tear gas / rubber bulltets might, at this point, make matters worse. The police / government will be concerned of the likelihood of being criticised for " using un-neccessary force and allegations of racial abuse etc etc". its a joke, the overly PC nature of this country has gotten us into this mess.
sts106mat
As we've seen Theresa May is more spineless than Jack Straw....least he would have gotten the army by now.
Its still unconfirmed and since the police are staying quiet I would say they planted the weapon trying to make it seem like they shot him for a reason. Police are scum as well and a lot has happened against the black community (stop and search) that they are feed up. Then these whites are just trying to be cool.this is not a race thing, it happens all over the world. regardless the cause of it all now is irrelevant, the damage has been doneit reminds me of the scene from V for Vendetta when the cop shoots the kid and everything goes pair shaped, you are right, nobodys going to give a monkeys whet happended, the bomb has already gone off so to speak.[QUOTE="viper-kid"][QUOTE="Zaibach"]that is still unclear, no one knows who fired first or if he even had a gun. Guy was a father of four
Zaibach
it needs bringing under control and a zero tolerance policy. From what i have been reading, they are making arrests, but are watching rather than acting, might be wrong. get the army in FFS.[QUOTE="sts106mat"][QUOTE="delta3074"]we never had aproblem using rubber bullets and tear gas in NI, so ipersonally don't see aproblem using it here but like you say mate things have gotten too PC in this country, a rubber bullet to the stomach will quickly deter these people without seriously wounding or killing them, the only problem with baton rounds is if you miss and hit them in the head, there is also the problem of tear gas cannisters being thrown back at the police as we saw in NI, that can turn a situation nasty real quick.razgriz_101
As we've seen Theresa May is more spineless than Jack Straw....least he would have gotten the army by now.
We dont have an army, they were all but disbanded with savage govt cuts, and little we have left are fighting 3 wars at once[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]
[QUOTE="sts106mat"] it needs bringing under control and a zero tolerance policy. From what i have been reading, they are making arrests, but are watching rather than acting, might be wrong. get the army in FFS.Zaibach
As we've seen Theresa May is more spineless than Jack Straw....least he would have gotten the army by now.
We dont have an army, they were all but disbanded with savage govt cuts, and little we have left are fighting 3 wars at oncewe have the territorials who actually have extensive training for these kinds of situations, when i left the regular army and joined the TA we used to go to a place called black hill and assist the police with riot training, we used to play the rioters sometimes and they used to actually let us throw molotovs at the riot police, throw wooden bricks at them and make tyre barricades, not much fun when you are on the recieving end of mounted riot police though.[QUOTE="razgriz_101"][QUOTE="sts106mat"] it needs bringing under control and a zero tolerance policy. From what i have been reading, they are making arrests, but are watching rather than acting, might be wrong. get the army in FFS.sts106mat
As we've seen Theresa May is more spineless than Jack Straw....least he would have gotten the army by now.
i can believe it mate, well they will be sorry, their dithering around wont stop anything other than voters backing them next time around that is all.tbh a lot of things got worse when the conservatives went into power for a lot of area's and its starting to come to a head in the likes of the London burghs where many services were cut and unemployment is high already.
Its the most useless government i have seen since i was a young one and John Major, least with Labour we seemed to move on a bit.Tories just seem to have cut everything in such a short space of time and its been hellish look at the military we have no Aircraft carrier and the smallest navy since before WWI thats not good for an island state thats just madness, Leuchers first response typhoons are being moved yet those sqns could be anywhere in Scotland regardless of eating/sleeping within 20min if they were needed.
Im not happy with this government on about every level Americans think they got it bad with Obama and the senate they havent been here...Brown had the right idea cut back slowly and lower it steadily to lessen an impact aswell as try getting the public spending to recoup through tax aswell, on top of that the FTSE was far more stable.
Were defo hitting an all time low for modern Britain this is the worst its been in my lifetime, hell my parents are saying this is potentially worse than the 80's.
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