Sony set to dissapoint again with no backward compatibilty on PS4 !!!

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[QUOTE="casharmy"]lol, you never owned a PS3 fool sit down. 

lol @ desperate lems trying to make a bid deal out of this..

For old PS3 owners they can just keep their old consoles for now players who never owned a Trey they have Gakai which could possibly host the entire Playstation library through every generation.  

Obviously_Right

Not having BC is kind of a big deal. 

No it isn't.

Unless you're a dullard that buys a current gen console to play last gen games.

Some people trade in their old console to pay for part of the new console. Their game collection is going to be worthless to them now. Yeah I think BC is somewhat important to people. If Microsoft is going to have the Next Xbox not have BC either I'll be mad at them too. 

[QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

[QUOTE="xhawk27"]

Not having BC is kind of a big deal. 

xhawk27

No it isn't.

Unless you're a dullard that buys a current gen console to play last gen games.

Some people trade in their old console to pay for part of the new console. Their game collection is going to be worthless to them now. Yeah I think BC is somewhat important to people. If Microsoft is going to have the Next Xbox not have BC either I'll be mad at them too. 

Then those people need to be patient and save up longer.

Now that PS4 has no BC you can bet your a$$ that M$ won't use it either. Why would they? It would like make the console more expensive than PS4.

Pointless.

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="xhawk27"]

Buying the old PS3 games all over again this time streaming them. Thank You Sony, Day Fing 1!

xhawk27

lol @ desperate lems trying to make a bid deal out of this..

For old PS3 owners they can just keep their old consoles for now players who never owned a Trey they have Gakai which could possibly host the entire Playstation library through every generation.  

I do have a PS3. My gamertag is Hawk_X29  

Not having BC is kind of a big deal. 

[QUOTE="xhawk27"]

[QUOTE="casharmy"]lol, you never owned a PS3 fool sit down. 

lol @ desperate lems trying to make a bid deal out of this..

For old PS3 owners they can just keep their old consoles for now players who never owned a Trey they have Gakai which could possibly host the entire Playstation library through every generation.  

casharmy

I do have a PS3. My gamertag is Hawk_X29  

Not having BC is kind of a big deal. 

[QUOTE="xhawk27"]

[QUOTE="casharmy"]lol, you never owned a PS3 fool sit down. 

lol @ desperate lems trying to make a bid deal out of this..

For old PS3 owners they can just keep their old consoles for now players who never owned a Trey they have Gakai which could possibly host the entire Playstation library through every generation.  

Murderstyle75

I do have a PS3. My gamertag is Hawk_X29  

Not having BC is kind of a big deal. 

 The same reason why pc gamers have played games over a decade old constantly.. Because they are good... And I pity console players who some how think its accetpable in lugging out their failing PS2 unit with out the features and social parts of their modern day console to enjoy them..   Not to mention there are games people MISS and would love to go back to last gen... Guess my standards are just too "high".. 

[QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

[QUOTE="xhawk27"]

Not having BC is kind of a big deal. 

xhawk27

No it isn't.

Unless you're a dullard that buys a current gen console to play last gen games.

Some people trade in their old console to pay for part of the new console. Their game collection is going to be worthless to them now. Yeah I think BC is somewhat important to people. If Microsoft is going to have the Next Xbox not have BC either I'll be mad at them too. 

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="xhawk27"]

I do have a PS3. My gamertag is Hawk_X29  

Not having BC is kind of a big deal. 

sSubZerOo

 The same reason why pc gamers have played games over a decade old constantly.. Because they are good... And I pity console players who some how think its accetpable in lugging out their failing PS2 unit with out the features and social parts of their modern day console to enjoy them..   Not to mention there are games people MISS and would love to go back to last gen... Guess my standards are just too "high".. 

Yes PC is the perfect platform for BC. Good luck getting older games not on GOG to run.

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[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] Why? Why buy a next gen console if you are so worried about last gen games? There are only so many hours in a day anyway.whiskeystrike

 The same reason why pc gamers have played games over a decade old constantly.. Because they are good... And I pity console players who some how think its accetpable in lugging out their failing PS2 unit with out the features and social parts of their modern day console to enjoy them..   Not to mention there are games people MISS and would love to go back to last gen... Guess my standards are just too "high".. 

Yes PC is the perfect platform for BC. Good luck getting older games not on GOG to run.

   Uh most games have easy to get patch's.. And those are the troublesome ones that won't launch when in compatability mode.. Which I have really only come across one that gave me problems.. That being Homeworld Cataclysm.. 

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="xhawk27"]

I do have a PS3. My gamertag is Hawk_X29  

Not having BC is kind of a big deal. 

sSubZerOo

 The same reason why pc gamers have played games over a decade old constantly.. Because they are good... And I pity console players who some how think its accetpable in lugging out their failing PS2 unit with out the features and social parts of their modern day console to enjoy them..   Not to mention there are games people MISS and would love to go back to last gen... Guess my standards are just too "high".. 

I undserstand phasing out backward compatibilty slowly on newer versions of PS3 as the PS3 library swells, but what is Sony's excuse for not providing BC along with the launch PS4's?

Now its not tottally hopeless though as SW emulation is still discussed...but a native BC would have been handy, what say guys?

Getting PS4 on launch though.....

Serioussamik

I never owned a PS3 so the PS4 having BC would have been great and would have given me more incentive to get the PS4. I'd be able to have access to two systems' libraries for the price of one. Would be damn awesome.

Even if I did own a PS3, BC would be great in that I could sell my hypothetical PS3 to get a bit more $$$, while giving myself one less console to have to lug around orr to take up space. Nothing bad-sounding here.

Sure, BC shouldn't be the primary reason to buy a console, and I can understand it would add to the price of the PS4 (would probably still be cheaper than having to buy both a PS3 and PS4, but whatever). But I can certainly see disappointment in the PS4 not having BC; it's a great feature. 

I'd rather have the inconvenience of keeping an old console around than having to pay an extra $100 just to play old games on a new console.

JamDev

Not to worried about it I keep my consoles.

Omg why can't people just get the simple concept of the console architecture? Really, is it that hard? If you want backward compatibility that bad keep your ps3. Stop complaining because I don't know what the big deal is.

Elite-Realist

[QUOTE="xhawk27"]

[QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

No it isn't.

Unless you're a dullard that buys a current gen console to play last gen games.

06

Some people trade in their old console to pay for part of the new console. Their game collection is going to be worthless to them now. Yeah I think BC is somewhat important to people. If Microsoft is going to have the Next Xbox not have BC either I'll be mad at them too. 

trade in values for PS3 are like $150 and like $80 for a broken one. That's a lot of money, especially for a console that will eventually break sooner than later because Sony uses lead free solder.

If you're so poor that you can't afford to keep your PS3 next to your QUAD, then you shouldn't even buy a QUAD. 

Dunno how these welfare gamers afford to even post on this forum. #sadlife

If you're so poor that you can't afford to keep your PS3 next to your QUAD, then you shouldn't even buy a QUAD. 

Dunno how these welfare gamers afford to even post on this forum. #sadlife

sanim02

shouldnt make fun or poke at people with lesser money..sometimes its just what youve been delt in life..

I've already expected no BC. Besides, I don't buy a current gen system to play last gen games. 

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[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] Why? Why buy a next gen console if you are so worried about last gen games? There are only so many hours in a day anyway.Murderstyle75

 The same reason why pc gamers have played games over a decade old constantly.. Because they are good... And I pity console players who some how think its accetpable in lugging out their failing PS2 unit with out the features and social parts of their modern day console to enjoy them..   Not to mention there are games people MISS and would love to go back to last gen... Guess my standards are just too "high".. 

You also have to think about it this way. What happened the last time Sony released an expensive Sku? Not only did we hear about it from Xbox fanboys who ignored the fact that there was a 500.00 sku that far exceeded the value of a 400.00 Xbox 360 and was only 30.00 more after a 1 year Live subscription and a play & charge to power the controller but the industry critics did the exact same thing. The last thing Sony needs is kind of criticism they would receive by releasing a 700.00 sku that plays last gen games. They would get flamed just as bad as they did with their 600.00 sku and the propaganda would again overshadow the other versions

PS3 was expensive because of the Cell R&D and the blu-ray not because of BC. And beside, I feel like playing whatever the hell I feel like it. I'm not a close minded dude-bro gamer that only play shooters and games with the best graphics, I play games from all generations and having 10 consoles under by TV when I could only have 1 is stupid. 

There is not excuse for Sony to not even emulate PS1 and PS2. There is a PS2 emulator made by enthusiast for free on the PC with the same architecture as the PS4 so why can't Sony do something about it? If BC wasn't a big deal there wouldn't be a market for HD collections and digital re-releases you know.

I'm pretty sure there must be ways around it but the thing is that you guys already showed Sony that they can bend you very easily.

Dont care. I have every PS console

$ony should introduce Emulation Software in the PS4 to play (at least) PS3 games. :cool:

dr_jashugan

There's a real simple solution to this. Keep your PS3.

Want backward capability pc is the only way to go, I can play any game from ps2 era and older no problem. Heck even the original doom or quake works fine.

Want backward capability pc is the only way to go, I can play any game from ps2 era and older no problem. Heck even the original doom or quake works fine.

imprezawrx500

Perhaps im in the minority here but I could care less about bc. When I get a PS4, I want to get one to play PS4 games. Not to play last gen games that I already played to death. Plus I usuallykeep my old consoles anyway so its not a big deal to me.

How funny this thread reads - cows, ya just got no shame what so ever. :P

Because it's not as simple as just making the disc drive able to read PS3 discs. Entirely different architecture. Would have to literally have the PS3 hardware built into the Ps4, just sitting idle when not being used to play old games. That's how the early PS3s did it, and that's how the PS2 did it. Not feasible or logical to waste space and production costs doing it again. Just keep your Ps3.

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Want backward capability pc is the only way to go, I can play any game from ps2 era and older no problem. Heck even the original doom or quake works fine.

ShadowriverUB

Sort of, yes. The fundamentals of PC architecture haven't changed in a long while. And you can still run even older programs with modern systems through emulation. DOSBOX for the win.

[QUOTE="dr_jashugan"]

$ony should introduce Emulation Software in the PS4 to play (at least) PS3 games. :cool:

Shielder7

This too. That's why emulation isn't a viable solution for BC on consoles. The amount of extra power it takes to emulate a system is ridiculous, and makes it far, far, FAR more taxing to run those programs than it would have been on their original platforms. That's why you can get PS2 emulators for PC, but even modern systems struggle quite a bit to maintain decent framerates running the more taxing of Ps2 games. It's about as far from efficient as you can get.

I know there are gamers who honestly find it a problem for a console not having BC.. However what i find stupid is fanboys use this as an excuse to bash a system..

When PS3 was out, the first models (like mine) offered BC, so basically at launch PS3 had a huge line-up of titles available but gamers were complaining about 1) the Price & 2) the lack of games.. 

So that shows when gamers get new consoles, they want new games running on the new hardware.. thats the main reason why gamers buy new consoles !!!

Those wanting to play PS3 games already have a PS3, so all we need to do is hook up the PS3 console to the tv when we want to play its games.. It doesnt take 2hrs to connect/disconnect a console with the tv.. eehhhhh

Don't care about the BC ! If i want to play ps3 games, i'll just switch to HDMI-1 ! Heck i'm even thinking of getting a second ps3 just in case something happens to the old faithfull one !

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]

Want backward capability pc is the only way to go, I can play any game from ps2 era and older no problem. Heck even the original doom or quake works fine.

ShadowriverUB

Sad truth is that people buy new consoles to play new games :(. Look at the WiiU or the early ps3 models. BC doesnt make consoles fly off shelves at all

Sad truth is that people buy new consoles to play new games :(. Look at the WiiU or the early ps3 models. BC doesnt make consoles fly off shelves at all

trollhunter2

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[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] Why? Why buy a next gen console if you are so worried about last gen games? There are only so many hours in a day anyway.Murderstyle75

 The same reason why pc gamers have played games over a decade old constantly.. Because they are good... And I pity console players who some how think its accetpable in lugging out their failing PS2 unit with out the features and social parts of their modern day console to enjoy them..   Not to mention there are games people MISS and would love to go back to last gen... Guess my standards are just too "high".. 

  :roll:  And you are what I call the cancer of the industry.. You automatically assume because its newer and next gen its automatically better..  And I am talking about EVERY CONSOLE out there in which gamers seem to be lapping this sh!t up.. You are the cancer.. You are the person that automatically sees the shiny graphics on the screen and are "OMG IT'S AMAZING".. You are the gamer that accepts the same sh!t in new wrapping..  I have time for GAMING, what fvcking difference does it make what gen it comes from?  You are the themepark consumer that takes up the next flashiest thing based on little substance.. Congrats.

Read the paragraph I wrote after the edit. And if I'm really a cancer, f*ck the PS3 even and f*ck the PS2. Lets all go back to the PSOne and be happy. Next gen gaming is about quite a bit more than graphics. There were so many limitations with the PS3 thanks to cell and the lack of ram. Is Skyrim working right for you yet?Murderstyle75

:|  Yeah really it so illustrated that with Killzone 4 on rails, leading to a small area shooter illustrating the same mechanics that have been going on for years..  that 8gb sure made a difference der!

But of course no consoles launch has even shown what a console is capable of. Not even close. Most 360 launch games were last gen ports even. And all that aside. You cry like babies saying I want, I want, I want. But the fact of the matter is, bringing PS3 games to the PS4 is in no way profitable since the majority of them will be sold from the used market. Perhaps it would be different if either A) the used market didn't exist or B) the console was going to be sold at profit. They are already pretty much giving you a charity by selling these things at a few hundred dollars below manufacturing costs. Backwards compatibility just hinders any kind of profit that can be made off the console. Unless of course you are willing to spend not only extra for backwards compatibility but even more so the the console is sold at profit while catering to your last gen needs which will be mostly sold used at GameStop. You would be looking at about a 1000.00 console to make it work. They are selling a PS4 to sell new 60.00 titles. Not to sell a bunch of preowned games and 20.00 platinum hits.Murderstyle75

  No instead they are going to sell the user sloppy "HD" ports of older games that they already own in one form or another..   I just find it hilarious the excuses people are making.. That may indeed not be possible with their current plan, that doesn't some ho wmake it above criticism.. And furthermore cry babies? You furhter illustrate the point that you willing to bend over for these companies.. Last I checked they aren't giving it to us for free, we are spending money for their product and services..   People have the right to be critical of said things, they are not giving it to us for free.. This is a mutual business relationship between producer and consumer..   And I am sorry but what? Where was Killzone 4 a port?  And I am sorry but what?  The graphics clearly look better then the PS3 but the gameplay HASN'T CHANGED what so ever.. It's same sh!t..   Extra ram, new shiny hardware isn't going to some how change the gameplay of the most popular genres.. Because it wasn't the thing that was holding it back to begin with..  Until people get this through their heads, expect to see the same sh!t in the next gen with a few meaningless twists.. 

I think I've gone back and played my last gen consoles and games for about .1% of my total gameing playtime in the past 7 years.

So yeah... who cares.

Do people realize that if BC is installed, the price would go higher? Around $75-$100 I believe.

Just keep your darn PS3. Or Gamecube. Or Virtual Boy. 

PS3 BC can only be done if you include PS3 hardware which they won't do for obvious reasons .

Did anyone really expect the PS4 to be powerful enough to emulate the PS3 in software :lol: