Sony set to dissapoint again with no backward compatibilty on PS4 !!!

I already have a PS3 so it's fairly irrelevant to me.

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"]But of course no consoles launch has even shown what a console is capable of. Not even close. Most 360 launch games were last gen ports even. And all that aside. You cry like babies saying I want, I want, I want. But the fact of the matter is, bringing PS3 games to the PS4 is in no way profitable since the majority of them will be sold from the used market. Perhaps it would be different if either A) the used market didn't exist or B) the console was going to be sold at profit. They are already pretty much giving you a charity by selling these things at a few hundred dollars below manufacturing costs. Backwards compatibility just hinders any kind of profit that can be made off the console. Unless of course you are willing to spend not only extra for backwards compatibility but even more so the the console is sold at profit while catering to your last gen needs which will be mostly sold used at GameStop. You would be looking at about a 1000.00 console to make it work. They are selling a PS4 to sell new 60.00 titles. Not to sell a bunch of preowned games and 20.00 platinum hits.sSubZerOo

  No instead they are going to sell the user sloppy "HD" ports of older games that they already own in one form or another..   I just find it hilarious the excuses people are making.. That may indeed not be possible with their current plan, that doesn't some ho wmake it above criticism.. And furthermore cry babies? You furhter illustrate the point that you willing to bend over for these companies.. Last I checked they aren't giving it to us for free, we are spending money for their product and services..   People have the right to be critical of said things, they are not giving it to us for free.. This is a mutual business relationship between producer and consumer..   And I am sorry but what? Where was Killzone 4 a port?  And I am sorry but what?  The graphics clearly look better then the PS3 but the gameplay HASN'T CHANGED what so ever.. It's same sh!t..   Extra ram, new shiny hardware isn't going to some how change the gameplay of the most popular genres.. Because it wasn't the thing that was holding it back to begin with..  Until people get this through their heads, expect to see the same sh!t in the next gen with a few meaningless twists.. 

It would be cool to have they could say sell a emulation disc for the people who want it.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"]But of course no consoles launch has even shown what a console is capable of. Not even close. Most 360 launch games were last gen ports even. And all that aside. You cry like babies saying I want, I want, I want. But the fact of the matter is, bringing PS3 games to the PS4 is in no way profitable since the majority of them will be sold from the used market. Perhaps it would be different if either A) the used market didn't exist or B) the console was going to be sold at profit. They are already pretty much giving you a charity by selling these things at a few hundred dollars below manufacturing costs. Backwards compatibility just hinders any kind of profit that can be made off the console. Unless of course you are willing to spend not only extra for backwards compatibility but even more so the the console is sold at profit while catering to your last gen needs which will be mostly sold used at GameStop. You would be looking at about a 1000.00 console to make it work. They are selling a PS4 to sell new 60.00 titles. Not to sell a bunch of preowned games and 20.00 platinum hits.Murderstyle75

  No instead they are going to sell the user sloppy "HD" ports of older games that they already own in one form or another..   I just find it hilarious the excuses people are making.. That may indeed not be possible with their current plan, that doesn't some ho wmake it above criticism.. And furthermore cry babies? You furhter illustrate the point that you willing to bend over for these companies.. Last I checked they aren't giving it to us for free, we are spending money for their product and services..   People have the right to be critical of said things, they are not giving it to us for free.. This is a mutual business relationship between producer and consumer..   And I am sorry but what? Where was Killzone 4 a port?  And I am sorry but what?  The graphics clearly look better then the PS3 but the gameplay HASN'T CHANGED what so ever.. It's same sh!t..   Extra ram, new shiny hardware isn't going to some how change the gameplay of the most popular genres.. Because it wasn't the thing that was holding it back to begin with..  Until people get this through their heads, expect to see the same sh!t in the next gen with a few meaningless twists.. 

:|  Wtf is this sh!t.. You make it sound like they are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts.. This is a business plan, they sell at a loss due to their strategy.. Not because they doing everything for you.. It is fvcking mind boggling how being critical towards a product some how equates to whining.. Why don't you bend over alittle further?

I would like them to have BC but understand why it would cost to much for PS3 BC.

I do hope that all the PS1 PSN titles I have carry over.

I never got why people cared so much about BC.

You're buying a NEW system to play NEW games. If you want to play OLD games keep your OLD system. They don't force you to throw it out the window when you buy a new one. 

I never got why people cared so much about BC.

You're buying a NEW system to play NEW games. If you want to play OLD games keep your OLD system. They don't force you to throw it out the window when you buy a new one.

VendettaRed07

Right now I have PS3 (BC), 360 and a receiver... now I have to figure out how to fit another box, controllers, wires and possibly a new unwanted web cam (controller).

I like a less cluttered, ascetically pleasing space. It's not a deal breaker but it would be nice.

Just keep your PS3 problem solved so stop whining.

I never got why people cared so much about BC.

You're buying a NEW system to play NEW games. If you want to play OLD games keep your OLD system. They don't force you to throw it out the window when you buy a new one. 

VendettaRed07

those old systems don't last forever. It's hard to have 20 consoles under your TV. It's easier to play one last gen game and then seamlessy play another one one from current-gen without having to change connections and other settings, etc. On top of other benefits like upscaled graphics, wireless controller....

But what I really can't believe is that you're dumb enough to not come up with such a simple answer yourself. Don't you feel ashamed of your poor ability to think rationally?

Sony is not supporting backwards compatibility on the Playstation 4 because:

1) Software Emulation is not possible due to architecture differences between the Playstation 3 and Playstation 4 and the Playstation 4 would not be powerful enough to properly emulate the Playstation 3.

2) The other way to achieve backwards compatibility in the Playstation 4 would require Sony to install Playstatation 3 hardware and components in the Playstation 4, driving up the cost, size and heat produced by the console. One of the reasons why Sony was able to drop the price so drastically with the Playstation 3 Slim was because they stopped installing Playstation 2 hardware in the device thus drastically reducing the console's manufacturing price.

Not supporting backwards compatibility is a necessary evil with the Playstation 4. 

[QUOTE="trollhunter2"]

Sad truth is that people buy new consoles to play new games :(. Look at the WiiU or the early ps3 models. BC doesnt make consoles fly off shelves at all

Murderstyle75

Sony also wants to sell you next gen games for a next gen console. These consoles sell at a loss and the money is made back up in software sales. You can't really make up that loss if everybody is buying for a platform that is going to soon be made up of preowned copies at Gamestop. There is really no money to be made off of backwards compatability and if anything, supporting it would come at a loss of income.

then explain to me why there is a market for HD collections and digital re-releases if people don't give a fk about BC/old games? This is like the 4th time I have asked you this question but you keep evading it. 

And your second parapgraph makes no sense. Why people that are buying PS4's but never had a PS3 can't buy PS3 games and play them through BC? That's a win-win situation for Sony.

Seriously, you guys really can't see beyond your nose. You just let yourself be manipulated by a corporation so easily.

:)

[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]

I never got why people cared so much about BC.

You're buying a NEW system to play NEW games. If you want to play OLD games keep your OLD system. They don't force you to throw it out the window when you buy a new one. 

Gue1

those old systems don't last forever. It's hard to have 20 consoles under your TV. It's easier to play one last gen game and then seamlessy play another one one from current-gen without having to change connections and other settings, etc. On top of other benefits like upscaled graphics, wireless controller....

But what I really can't believe is that you're dumb enough to not come up with such a simple answer yourself. Don't you feel ashamed of your poor ability to think rationally?

>___>, one of these posters...*sigh*...

obviously I understand the issue of convience, and the systems aren't getting any smaller. But it shouldn't be a deal breaking OMFG i will NEVER buy a new console again because of this!

I am thinking rationally.. And the rational responce to the ps4 not being bc completely outweighs the negitives. I mean there is this whole thing called, a closet you can put youre older systems in and then take them out when you want to play them. Im assuming when you have a ps4, its not going to be every time you power the thing on youll be playing ps3 games. So when you want you take out you ps3, and plug it in. Which takes like what, 30 seconds?... Nobody is forcing you to keep them under youre tvs

Now if they had made it BC. Youre looking at it possibly being a lot more expensive possibly less powerful, more complicated and harder to develop (having to use cell and company AGAIN which nobody liked) for just because of a simple little issue like that. 

Its just not worth getting all up in arms for, considering overall its better for the system. 

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="Serioussamik"]

I undserstand phasing out backward compatibilty slowly on newer versions of PS3 as the PS3 library swells, but what is Sony's excuse for not providing BC along with the launch PS4's?

Now its not tottally hopeless though as SW emulation is still discussed...but a native BC would have been handy, what say guys?

Getting PS4 on launch though.....

ShadowDeathX

I can live with that. There's so many times I wished the KZ and UC games were at 1080p

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="trollhunter2"]

Sad truth is that people buy new consoles to play new games :(. Look at the WiiU or the early ps3 models. BC doesnt make consoles fly off shelves at all

Gue1

Sony also wants to sell you next gen games for a next gen console. These consoles sell at a loss and the money is made back up in software sales. You can't really make up that loss if everybody is buying for a platform that is going to soon be made up of preowned copies at Gamestop. There is really no money to be made off of backwards compatability and if anything, supporting it would come at a loss of income.

then explain to me why there is a market for HD collections and digital re-releases if people don't give a fk about BC/old games? This is like the 4th time I have asked you this question but you keep evading it. 

And your second parapgraph makes no sense. Why people that are buying PS4's but never had a PS3 can't buy PS3 games and play them through BC? That's a win-win situation for Sony.

Seriously, you guys really can't see beyond your nose. You just let yourself be manipulated by a corporation so easily.

:)

Maybe because those HD collections add things that BC can't? Trophies, actually being in HD and not being upscaled? Maybe they never even owned the original in the first place? 

Its the same process as the PSVita with the psp. It would have been stupid to make the PSvita bc, restarting with new inner hardware will make it cheaper and easier to make the system overall better instead of just doing everything possible to make a system based on old outdated tech and bad ideas. Cell was just terrible. UMDs were even worse. Its better just to move on and restart so they can make the console better. 

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="trollhunter2"]

Sad truth is that people buy new consoles to play new games :(. Look at the WiiU or the early ps3 models. BC doesnt make consoles fly off shelves at all

Gue1

Sony also wants to sell you next gen games for a next gen console. These consoles sell at a loss and the money is made back up in software sales. You can't really make up that loss if everybody is buying for a platform that is going to soon be made up of preowned copies at Gamestop. There is really no money to be made off of backwards compatability and if anything, supporting it would come at a loss of income.

then explain to me why there is a market for HD collections and digital re-releases if people don't give a fk about BC/old games? This is like the 4th time I have asked you this question but you keep evading it. 

And your second parapgraph makes no sense. Why people that are buying PS4's but never had a PS3 can't buy PS3 games and play them through BC? That's a win-win situation for Sony.

Seriously, you guys really can't see beyond your nose. You just let yourself be manipulated by a corporation so easily.

:)