sony: we finished 3rd this gen.. launch price was to blame

The thing is, if Sony tried to keep the launch price down, there wouldn't be Blu-ray. Our exclusives would have been different and inferior like the 360.

I expect the PS4 to be priced reasonably as Blu-ray have been around for a while, so the price for the drive won't be as high.

I spent the launch price, and I have to say it was worth it. It's one hell of a console!

GamerwillzPS

only a few games do, they are the ones that span many dvds (like rage)

My evidences should be sufficient to end this thread. So I'm outta of here.

To the guy who mentioned about some multiplats don't run well on PS3, this is because developers can't make games. Lack of programming skills contributed to this. There are devs who said that PS3 is not hard to develop for, they are the ones who made games on both consoles which are almost identical.

Evidence 1

Evidence 2

That should suffice. Don't blame the PS3. Blame the devs.

Man, I think I've won the argument! :cool:

No evidence otherwise you are bullsh!t.

GamerwillzPS

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

My evidences should be sufficient to end this thread. So I'm outta of here.

To the guy who mentioned about some multiplats don't run well on PS3, this is because developers can't make games. Lack of programming skills contributed to this. There are devs who said that PS3 is not hard to develop for, they are the ones who made games on both consoles which are almost identical.

Evidence 1

Evidence 2

That should suffice. Don't blame the PS3. Blame the devs.

Man, I think I've won the argument! :cool:

No evidence otherwise you are bullsh!t.

Shockwave-DASH

Lol, you posted some opinionated forum pages in there. :lol: Go for real articles like I did.

Sorry but it seems that you have no proof so that you are forced to use other forums to back your argument up. However, some of your sources are good but they are not enough to compete with mine.

Both consoles indeed do have their strengths and weaknesses, but I got to admit that PS3 has more strengths than weaknesses unlike the 360, and those strengths are vital.

Sony knows how to design a proper gaming console.

[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"][QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

My evidences should be sufficient to end this thread. So I'm outta of here.

To the guy who mentioned about some multiplats don't run well on PS3, this is because developers can't make games. Lack of programming skills contributed to this. There are devs who said that PS3 is not hard to develop for, they are the ones who made games on both consoles which are almost identical.

Evidence 1

Evidence 2

That should suffice. Don't blame the PS3. Blame the devs.

Man, I think I've won the argument! :cool:

No evidence otherwise you are bullsh!t.

GamerwillzPS

Lol, you posted some opinionated forum pages in there. :lol: Go for real articles like I did.

Sorry but it seems that you have no proof so that you are forced to use other forums to back your argument up. However, some of your sources are good but they are not enough to compete with mine.

Both consoles indeed do have their strengths and weaknesses, but I got to admit that PS3 has more strengths than weaknesses unlike the 360, and those strengths are vital.

Sony knows how to design a proper gaming console.

http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=1084227&start=40

http://forums.gametrailers.com/thread/there-s-no-such-thing-as-using/541952

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=55634&page=18

http://www.xbox360forum.com/xbox-forum/threads/86078-Official-quot-Killzone-2-quot-General-Discussion-Thread/page4

all these forum posts have talked about naughty dog's take on blowing smoke about percentage usage for the ps2

they then themselves proceed to blow smoke with the ps3 and uncharted

admit it, you're in denial, naughty dog lied and sony also lied

this link http://www.naughtydog.com/jak1/20Questions.htm is not available anymore, naughty dog took it down

why?

it went against sony's PR bullcrap

did you know that the first xbox titles only used 1, sometimes 2 cores at best? Using only 2 or 4 threads to make the game run

of course you will not admit this, you're a sony fanboy

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

I said the same thing over again and again, and you guys still talking nonsense?

On par in graphics? Has the edge in exclusives? Better GPU? Blu-ray doesn't make better games? What a load of nonsense I've just read... :shock:

Don't listen to your emotion, go for logic instead for goodness sake. 90% of posts in SW are related to emotions. Very bad way for an argumentative standpoint.

GamerwillzPS

I think you are the one that gets very emotional.

Seriously you need to accept that 360 and ps3 have about the same processing power and also the graphics are on par.

Wrong.

Have a look at my previous post for evidence that you are all WRONG.

lol Sony can say whatever he wants in order to keep the cows happy, but the truth is that every ps3 exclusive can be done on the 360 with pretty much the same graphics and performance.

and if sony knew how to make consoles, vita would be selling like hot cakes right now, right?

and they wouldn't have choosed the cell, it's has an architecture very different than what the other paltform uses

it's useless to go for the odd things, it just makes things harder for developers

did you know that the ps3 can't run witcher 2 like the xbox 360 does?

oh and if KZ2 only used 60% of ps3's power, then why does the multiplayer part of the game slows down to a slideshow? surely using 100% of the ps3 would allow to have NO slow down whatsoever

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"]

Uncharted 2 'impossible' on Xbox 360

Killzone 2 'can't work' on Xbox 360

God of War 3 'only possible on PS3'

Heavy Rain 'not possible' on Xbox 360

MGS4 'probably not possible on other platforms'

PS3 is 'more powerful' than Xbox 360

There you go. That's the truth. There's no way around this.

When you read the last link about how powerful the PS3 is, this will show you why the PS3 was expensive, it lasts longer in its lifecycle which is why I said 'PlayStation is not ready for next-gen'. PS3 will suffice for more years to come thanks to the power and Blu-ray.

Now that's it. What I said are FACTS! There is no way around this otherwise you are stupid.

mahmoudddd

"I've been doing a lot of interviews and stage shows, and half the questions are like, 'Will MGS4 be coming out on 360 or other formats?'," he says. "In the near future I hope they'll ask me about Metal Gear, about us, about our future projects, and will stop caring about the hardware." He goes on to state that the constant tug-of-war in the console race "disturbs" him due to their focus on the consoles. "It's not about the hardware - I want people to look at the game itself." He jokes that "sometimes I even feel like it should be on a PC so that people don't ask me about the hardware and platforms."

From kojima himself.
Fanboyism is utterly retarded. Gears of war 3 is on par with uncharted 2 and 3. Halo 4 is on par with gow 3. The new forza looks better than any other racing game on the PS3.

Stop the fanboyism, the cell is a **** processor

the day all the sony developers will have to switch from the cell architecture to something radically different, they will weep because they will have to adapt and learn to code like it's the first time again

oh, and apparently naughty dog themselves said that whoever talks about percentages when it comes to what can run on which platform is just blowing smoke

of course, naughty dog deleted the page in question, but many different forums quote the FAQ and link the link of the FAQ of naughty dog

example: http://forums.gametrailers.com/thread/there-s-no-such-thing-as-using/541952

naughty dog, dirty lying hypocrites

You sound amd look like an idiot. not picking sides by never in that quote did kojima say MSG4 was possible for xbox so I have no idea why you would post that. Gears 3 is not on par with Uncharted and Halo 4 does not reach the Level Killzone 3 reached 1 year ago. Want screenies, I can bring them out

.. How have TCBO? The PS3 has been nothing but a great console._Cadbury_

You owned them again just by asking that.

[QUOTE="Maneil99"]

[QUOTE="mahmoudddd"]

From kojima himself.
Fanboyism is utterly retarded. Gears of war 3 is on par with uncharted 2 and 3. Halo 4 is on par with gow 3. The new forza looks better than any other racing game on the PS3.

Stop the fanboyism, the cell is a **** processor

the day all the sony developers will have to switch from the cell architecture to something radically different, they will weep because they will have to adapt and learn to code like it's the first time again

oh, and apparently naughty dog themselves said that whoever talks about percentages when it comes to what can run on which platform is just blowing smoke

of course, naughty dog deleted the page in question, but many different forums quote the FAQ and link the link of the FAQ of naughty dog

example: http://forums.gametrailers.com/thread/there-s-no-such-thing-as-using/541952

naughty dog, dirty lying hypocrites

mahmoudddd

You sound amd look like an idiot. not picking sides by never in that quote did kojima say MSG4 was possible for xbox so I have no idea why you would post that. Gears 3 is not on par with Uncharted and Halo 4 does not reach the Level Killzone 3 reached 1 year ago. Want screenies, I can bring them out

old idiot? because i can afford all the gaming platforms i ever wanted?

i'm just not a retarded fanboy, that is all

you didn't answer my question: why does the ps3 can't run the witcher 2?

Of course, the PS3 can run Witcher 2 like a big guy lifting a small weight. It just boils down to the developer really. They are just scared of working with PS3 which indicates lack of skills and talent on their part.

well they are talking about sales...and anyone who tries to spin it the other way is stupid despite the rate of sale....all in all its over all sales...

[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"].. How have TCBO? The PS3 has been nothing but a great console.waltefmoney

You owned them again just by asking that.

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

Uncharted 2 'impossible' on Xbox 360

Killzone 2 'can't work' on Xbox 360

God of War 3 'only possible on PS3'

Heavy Rain 'not possible' on Xbox 360

MGS4 'probably not possible on other platforms'

PS3 is 'more powerful' than Xbox 360

There you go. That's the truth. There's no way around this.

When you read the last link about how powerful the PS3 is, this will show you why the PS3 was expensive, it lasts longer in its lifecycle which is why I said 'PlayStation is not ready for next-gen'. PS3 will suffice for more years to come thanks to the power and Blu-ray.

Now that's it. What I said are FACTS! There is no way around this otherwise you are stupid.

Stevo_the_gamer

PR talk from Sony's developers aren't facts, mate.

Neither are ur words and/or opinions

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Of course, the PS3 can run Witcher 2 like a big guy lifting a small weight. It just boils down to the developer really. They are just scared of working with PS3 which indicates lack of skills and talent on their part.

GamerwillzPS

[QUOTE="mahmoudddd"]

[QUOTE="Maneil99"]

You sound amd look like an idiot. not picking sides by never in that quote did kojima say MSG4 was possible for xbox so I have no idea why you would post that. Gears 3 is not on par with Uncharted and Halo 4 does not reach the Level Killzone 3 reached 1 year ago. Want screenies, I can bring them out

GamerwillzPS

old idiot? because i can afford all the gaming platforms i ever wanted?

i'm just not a retarded fanboy, that is all

you didn't answer my question: why does the ps3 can't run the witcher 2?

Of course, the PS3 can run Witcher 2 like a big guy lifting a small weight. It just boils down to the developer really. They are just scared of working with PS3 which indicates lack of skills and talent on their part.

dodge the fact that i have destroyed all your claims that the ps3 is omre powerful than the xbox

just dodge it!

also witcher 2 is infinitely better game than uncharted hah

[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"][QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

My evidences should be sufficient to end this thread. So I'm outta of here.

To the guy who mentioned about some multiplats don't run well on PS3, this is because developers can't make games. Lack of programming skills contributed to this. There are devs who said that PS3 is not hard to develop for, they are the ones who made games on both consoles which are almost identical.

Evidence 1

Evidence 2

That should suffice. Don't blame the PS3. Blame the devs.

Man, I think I've won the argument! :cool:

No evidence otherwise you are bullsh!t.

GamerwillzPS

Lol, you posted some opinionated forum pages in there. :lol: Go for real articles like I did.

Sorry but it seems that you have no proof so that you are forced to use other forums to back your argument up. However, some of your sources are good but they are not enough to compete with mine.

Both consoles indeed do have their strengths and weaknesses, but I got to admit that PS3 has more strengths than weaknesses unlike the 360, and those strengths are vital.

Sony knows how to design a proper gaming console.

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="mahmoudddd"]

old idiot? because i can afford all the gaming platforms i ever wanted?

i'm just not a retarded fanboy, that is all

you didn't answer my question: why does the ps3 can't run the witcher 2?

mahmoudddd

Of course, the PS3 can run Witcher 2 like a big guy lifting a small weight. It just boils down to the developer really. They are just scared of working with PS3 which indicates lack of skills and talent on their part.

dodge the fact that i have destroyed all your claims that the ps3 is omre powerful than the xbox

just dodge it!

also witcher 2 is infinitely better game than uncharted hah

[QUOTE="mahmoudddd"]

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

Of course, the PS3 can run Witcher 2 like a big guy lifting a small weight. It just boils down to the developer really. They are just scared of working with PS3 which indicates lack of skills and talent on their part.

Maneil99

dodge the fact that i have destroyed all your claims that the ps3 is omre powerful than the xbox

just dodge it!

also witcher 2 is infinitely better game than uncharted hah

I don't care who's in first or last....As long as I get to play more games,on the console I prefer I am happy.

Hmm...its funny to see that many Sony fanboys still prefer to trust on a random PR who is trying to sell its product, than in their own eyes!

Its obvious after games like RDR, Crysis 2, Gears 3, Forza 4, Skyrim and others, that 360 is (at least) as capable as PS3.

Yep, that's one of the many errors that led to PS3 being last place in sales. I don't mind the lack of sales since it doesn't affect me, I'm just happy there are plenty of quality games to play.

[QUOTE="Nengo_Flow"][QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

The thing is, if Sony tried to keep the launch price down, there wouldn't be Blu-ray. Our exclusives would have been different and inferior like the 360.

I expect the PS4 to be priced reasonably as Blu-ray have been around for a while, so the price for the drive won't be as high.

I spent the launch price, and I have to say it was worth it. It's one hell of a console!

GamerwillzPS

I have no regrets.

Stop saying nonsense, and go and unscrew your PS3 out and see what's there. £425 is all there.

funny how its in last place and yet i use it more than my 360 and wii lolreaver-x

[QUOTE="Maneil99"]

[QUOTE="mahmoudddd"]

dodge the fact that i have destroyed all your claims that the ps3 is omre powerful than the xbox

just dodge it!

also witcher 2 is infinitely better game than uncharted hah

kingtito

Its called being butthurt, buddy. Many of them got PS3 at launch based on lies and hype. No one likes to be fooled, right?

now watch sony price it 500 lol, but hope they learned just make sure its 400 dollars your next console sony

So i guess this confirms the next playstation wont be priced too high. good new for me

finalstar2007

[QUOTE="YearoftheSnake5"]

Their $600 price tag certainly didn't make things easy for them, especially when the competition is offering products hundreds of dollars less.

GamerwillzPS

And less quality.

That's irrelevant considering most multiplats look about the same between the Xbox 360 and PS3. Some even tend to look better on the Xbox. Sony made a better quality machine, yes, but that didn't help them in terms of sales. Even Wii, which is basically an overclocked Gamecube with a few extra bells and whistles, sold better than the PS3.

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="reaver-x"]funny how its in last place and yet i use it more than my 360 and wii lolfinalstar2007

Same here. I barely used my 360.

Exactly here too, i use my PS3 the most and i mean every single day hck even my new system the vita dosent get that much love.

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

Same here. I barely used my 360.

WilliamRLBaker

Exactly here too, i use my PS3 the most and i mean every single day hck even my new system the vita dosent get that much love.

i forget how long ago but finalstar proved he had a 360, posted a pic so he is telling the truth :P

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="kingtito"] Once again you've proven your kool-aid drinking ability in droves Everything you ever write is just more Sony bullsh1t. BR is just a medium and has nothing to do with how the games turned out. Infact BR is hindered games which is why the games have to be installed before you can play. Man you're an idiot. kingtito

Lol wut?

All PS3 exclusives exceeded the capacity that a DVD can hold. So get your facts right.

I know that BD's slow speed kind of sucks but it's necessary for this generation. Did you know that some 360 games come with multiple discs? What a failure.

BD in PS4 will be faster.

Yet the PS3's version of FFXIII's CG Cutscenes blow away every other compressed 720p cutscene on everything else. FFXIII is one of the few games where the CG cutscenes werent' filled with banding, blurriness and Pixalization. And yes full 1920 x 1080 uncompressed CGI take up alot of room. And yes, look at the 360 version, it's a whole lot worse on every front and it still used 3 DVD's and was heavily compressed to fit on 3.

It's also something that bothers me on PC, most games have these awful compressed pre-rendered videos at low Resolutions and In-game looks better on my PC, the whole point of pre-rendered is to be better than the in game graphics, but not anymore apprently. Blizzard is the only one with decent high res CG on their games for PC.

I do know games like MGS4 bloated the amount of space they used so what you say isn't entirely untrue, but there were games that actually took advantage one way or another of the extra storage space.

My PS3 has a decent library of games, but ultimately it's my blu ray player and when it came out it was 500 bucks cheaper than any other blu ray player. That alone has made my purchase worth it.

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

The thing is, if Sony tried to keep the launch price down, there wouldn't be Blu-ray. Our exclusives would have been different and inferior like the 360.

I expect the PS4 to be priced reasonably as Blu-ray have been around for a while, so the price for the drive won't be as high.

I spent the launch price, and I have to say it was worth it. It's one hell of a console!

Nengo_Flow

People who bought xbox at launch for 400 with a live subscription since then have paid 650 dollars to date, more then a launch ps3. So in the end buying ps3 at launch and playing online was cheaper than buying a 360 at launch with playing online. Gotta look at the big picture ;) and btw on this topic in general, if ps3 and 360 came out at the same time and not a year difference 360 would be in last place right now.

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

Lol wut?

All PS3 exclusives exceeded the capacity that a DVD can hold. So get your facts right.

I know that BD's slow speed kind of sucks but it's necessary for this generation. Did you know that some 360 games come with multiple discs? What a failure.

BD in PS4 will be faster.

ryangcnx-2

Yet the PS3's version of FFXIII's CG Cutscenes blow away every other compressed 720p cutscene on everything else. FFXIII is one of the few games where the CG cutscenes werent' filled with banding, blurriness and Pixalization. And yes full 1920 x 1080 uncompressed CGI take up alot of room. And yes, look at the 360 version, it's a whole lot worse on every front and it still used 3 DVD's and was heavily compressed to fit on 3.

It's also something that bothers me on PC, most games have these awful compressed pre-rendered videos at low Resolutions and In-game looks better on my PC, the whole point of pre-rendered is to be better than the in game graphics, but not anymore apprently. Blizzard is the only one with decent high res CG on their games for PC.

I do know games like MGS4 bloated the amount of space they used so what you say isn't entirely untrue, but there were games that actually took advantage one way or another of the extra storage space.

My PS3 has a decent library of games, but ultimately it's my blu ray player and when it came out it was 500 bucks cheaper than any other blu ray player. That alone has made my purchase worth it.

[QUOTE="Nengo_Flow"][QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

The thing is, if Sony tried to keep the launch price down, there wouldn't be Blu-ray. Our exclusives would have been different and inferior like the 360.

I expect the PS4 to be priced reasonably as Blu-ray have been around for a while, so the price for the drive won't be as high.

I spent the launch price, and I have to say it was worth it. It's one hell of a console!

nolson

People who bought xbox at launch for 400 with a live subscription since then have paid 650 dollars to date, more then a launch ps3. So in the end buying ps3 at launch and playing online was cheaper than buying a 360 at launch with playing online. Gotta look at the big picture ;) and btw on this topic in general, if ps3 and 360 came out at the same time and not a year difference 360 would be in last place right now.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

Exactly here too, i use my PS3 the most and i mean every single day hck even my new system the vita dosent get that much love.

eboyishere

i forget how long ago but finalstar proved he had a 360, posted a pic so he is telling the truth :P

posted a picture of a 360 box in a closet on last check alot of confirmed cows skirt the issue by not giving any real proof posting obviously edited photos, pictures of boxes in closests, pictures of 360's infront of tv's with no picture of them.

Proof to me is beyond a resonable doubt and with how finalstar acts and the straight up lies he tells of why he can't purchase quality 360 games. *too expensive, cannot find it, not enough money...yet is shown they are easy to find, can be found cheap, and he goes off and buys 2-3 copies of some ps3 games...* atleast with my attitude towards the ps3 I had the gull to post a picture of my self infront of my equipment.

Nah I likely believe that finalstar being at college *that mommy and daddy from the UAE paid for* got a friend to take pictures of his 360 box in his closet...etc

[QUOTE="nolson"]

[QUOTE="Nengo_Flow"] you paid 599 US Dollars for a PS3? lol damn bro, I feel sorry for you sonkingtito

People who bought xbox at launch for 400 with a live subscription since then have paid 650 dollars to date, more then a launch ps3. So in the end buying ps3 at launch and playing online was cheaper than buying a 360 at launch with playing online. Gotta look at the big picture ;) and btw on this topic in general, if ps3 and 360 came out at the same time and not a year difference 360 would be in last place right now.

360 is more expensive in the long run but just looking at them at launch it seemed cheaper. And LOL, if anything RROD made xbox sales INFLATED then what they should be. People bought 2 or 3 extra consoles because of that fiasco. Without RROD ps3 prob would be ahead lol. And I'm sorry you can't except the facts. It's not an excuse, it is a FACT that the ps3 has outsold 360 if you look at sales against time on the market. ps3 almost 6 full years 360 almost 7. Theres only a 2 million gap so its easy to see 360 would be last. its not a what if game, its a fact.

I bought my PS3 when the price was cut to $500..kuraimen

that and they didnt have any good games for like 4 yearsmems_1224

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="nolson"]

People who bought xbox at launch for 400 with a live subscription since then have paid 650 dollars to date, more then a launch ps3. So in the end buying ps3 at launch and playing online was cheaper than buying a 360 at launch with playing online. Gotta look at the big picture ;) and btw on this topic in general, if ps3 and 360 came out at the same time and not a year difference 360 would be in last place right now.

nolson

360 is more expensive in the long run but just looking at them at launch it seemed cheaper. And LOL, if anything RROD made xbox sales INFLATED then what they should be. People bought 2 or 3 extra consoles because of that fiasco. Without RROD ps3 prob would be ahead lol. And I'm sorry you can't except the facts. It's not an excuse, it is a FACT that the ps3 has outsold 360 if you look at sales against time on the market. ps3 almost 6 full years 360 almost 7. Theres only a 2 million gap so its easy to see 360 would be last. its not a what if game, its a fact.

lol I always love this verging on ******** in the least completely moronic statement. but but but but but but 360 fans all purchased 3-4 extra 360's...because RROD wasn't fixed for free....WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="mahmoudddd"]

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

Of course, the PS3 can run Witcher 2 like a big guy lifting a small weight. It just boils down to the developer really. They are just scared of working with PS3 which indicates lack of skills and talent on their part.

Maneil99

dodge the fact that i have destroyed all your claims that the ps3 is omre powerful than the xbox

just dodge it!

also witcher 2 is infinitely better game than uncharted hah

You are being dense my friend, i am not the one who posted the forum links about the PS3 not being able to do this or that, i posted forum links about naughty dog's Q and A concerning the PS2 and sly games. Let me re paste them for you.

naughty dog said that uncharted 1 used only like 40 or 50% of the PS3's power

now, when you google for the q and a concerning sly and the ps2, here's what naughty dog says

http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=1084227&start=40

http://forums.gametrailers.com/thread/there-s-no-such-thing-as-using/541952

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=55634&page=18

http://www.xbox360forum.com/xbox-forum/threads/86078-Official-quot-Killzone-2-quot-General-Discussion-Thread/page4

all these forum posts have talked about naughty dog's take on blowing smoke about percentage usage for the ps2

they then themselves proceed to blow smoke with the ps3 and uncharted

admit it, you're in denial, naughty dog lied and sony also lied

this link http://www.naughtydog.com/jak1/20Questions.htm is not available anymore, naughty dog took it down

they are not bull crap links, they only show that naughty dog lied out of its butt for uncharted 1

@tenaka 1. he can't see it, 2. its oldsts106mat

Its not for his benefit and it gets a lot of lols.

@tenaka 1. he can't see it, 2. its oldsts106mat