sony: we finished 3rd this gen.. launch price was to blame

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="sts106mat"]@tenaka 1. he can't see it, 2. its oldsts106mat

Not just price, the complex CELL kept development long when they needed games to come out. Long development cycles aren't really good business.

Spend years and years developing a game and then not marketing it well.

They made so many arrogant mistakes, it's silly to blame just te price.

At least they're admitting it. It probably means the PS4 will start out cheaper, which is good news for everybody.

So i guess this confirms the next playstation wont be priced too high. good new for me

finalstar2007

If they relized high price killed them early on, when did they repeat their mistake with the vita?

Also, the lack of games didn't help.

TopTierHustler

If they relized high price killed them early on, when did they repeat their mistake with the vita?

Also, the lack of games didn't help.

TopTierHustler

good ...

don't make your system so high priced and profits await Sony

If they relized high price killed them early on, when did they repeat their mistake with the vita?

Also, the lack of games didn't help.

TopTierHustler

sony has admitted that they have finished 3rd this gen.. and they blame the high launch price of the system.

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/sony-admits-ps3-price-was-a-factor-in-3rd-place-current-gen-finish/097791

TCHBO

ionusX

I still love my PS3 but yea 599 wasn't a good idea at all.

Sony's problems:

1. Half of PS3 were bought only to be used as bluray, software sales were (and are) terrible.

b. Lack of software sales and overly expensive system meant that Sony didn't turn a profit.

III. Microsoft and Nintendo turned profits much earlier so even though it is a 2mil gap it is several millions different in currency.

Fourth: Exclusives sale well on 360, they sale poorly on PS3 so most sales are multiplats and money is lost to third party.

I doubt any of the companies are going to repeat this generations failures. I feel Sony will have their console priced well and Microsoft won't have the RROD.

The launch price wasn´t the only issue,the lack of great games for at least two years was also a major problem.Arach666

I certainly believe launch price has something to do with it..but to squarely put the "blame" on why Sony is currently in third is still "political" at best.

Bought my PS3 when they were still $499. Was the last PS2-BC model they made so Im happy :P

Never paying that price for a console again though. Hope Sony learns that if you launch with a price that is out of the market people are not gonna buy the product.

Thank God they acknowledged that fact ... If this was 06 they would have probably blamed it on consumers being idiotic or poor or some off the wall comment like that. Hopefully this is a sign that Sony won't make the same pricing mistake and our wallets won't take such a beating next gen.W1NGMAN-

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"] PS3 Can't handle Splinter Cell:http://www.psu.com/forums/showthread.php/86797-Splinter-Cell-producer-PS3-can-t-handle-AI-nearly-as-well-as-the-360 Ps3 can't handle Skyrim: http://roosterteeth.com/members/journal/entry.php?id=2839294 PS3 can;t handle Uncharted 4: http://gamerant.com/uncharted-4-ps3-ps4-hold-110635/ PS3 can;t handle rpgs: http://www.amazon.com/forum/video%20games?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1T1DM93QU4XL1&cdThread=TxDSL5IQ642LYF PS3 can;t run original Splinter Cell at 1080p: http://www.gog.com/en/forum/general/ps3_cant_even_run_the_original_splinter_cell_at_1080p The Gunstringer is not possible on PS3: http://n4g.com/news/844346/the-gunstringer-not-possible-on-wii-or-ps3 Mods are possible on Xbox but not Ps3: http://www.nextgenupdate.com/forums/universal-dumpster/532560-how-mods-possible-xbox-but-not-ps3.html Cross Game chat not possilble on PS3: http://article.wn.com/view/2011/08/20/Crossgame_chat_not_possible_on_PS3_coming_to_Vita/ Last Story not possible on PS3: http://www.vgchartz.com/article/83545/the-last-story-not-possible-anywhere-other-than-on-wii/ Super Meatboy not possible on PS3: http://www.psu.com/a010087/PS3-Super-Meat-Boy-not-at-all-possible,-says-dev-?page=0 This is enough proof to sure the PS3 had more problems with hardware and running games then the Xbox and I have more evidence than you do! Ha, the PS3 can;t run the GUNSTRINGER. Just sad really.Shockwave-DASH

Lol, you posted some opinionated forum pages in there. :lol: Go for real articles like I did.

Sorry but it seems that you have no proof so that you are forced to use other forums to back your argument up. However, some of your sources are good but they are not enough to compete with mine.

Both consoles indeed do have their strengths and weaknesses, but I got to admit that PS3 has more strengths than weaknesses unlike the 360, and those strengths are vital.

Sony knows how to design a proper gaming console.

[QUOTE="nolson"]

[QUOTE="kingtito"] Yeah yeah cows keep claiming the 360 is more expansive yet it still sold more 6 years later when the PS3 was supposed to destroy the 360 at launch. Not to mention cows love to use the $600 price tad as the blame for the slow sales. So what is it, the 360 is more expensive or the PS3 is? Can't have it both ways. Don't blame the late start for being in last. That was Sony's decision, arogant as it was, and noone elses. They chose to come out a year later and they chose to give a $600 price tag. Since you want to play the "IF" game IF Japan bought 360's the lead would be insurmountable, not that they will be caught now. IF the 360 didn't have the RROD fiasco they'd probably be ahead of Nintendo (that's a big if) or it would be very close. Don't give excuses for Sony being in last, just accept it and move on. No point in blind loaylty to a company that really doesn't care about you one way or another other than to get what's in your wallet. WilliamRLBaker

360 is more expensive in the long run but just looking at them at launch it seemed cheaper. And LOL, if anything RROD made xbox sales INFLATED then what they should be. People bought 2 or 3 extra consoles because of that fiasco. Without RROD ps3 prob would be ahead lol. And I'm sorry you can't except the facts. It's not an excuse, it is a FACT that the ps3 has outsold 360 if you look at sales against time on the market. ps3 almost 6 full years 360 almost 7. Theres only a 2 million gap so its easy to see 360 would be last. its not a what if game, its a fact.

Do you have a stuttering problem?? Don't pretend like everyone went through Microsoft to repair the system for free. Plenty of people just went out and bought new systems either because they did not want to wait for it to be fixed or because it was out of warranty.

Sony is in 3rd place but less than 2 million units behind the 360 that is pretty good

Sony is in 3rd place but less than 2 million units behind the 360 that is pretty good

noscope-ak47

[QUOTE="noscope-ak47"]

Sony is in 3rd place but less than 2 million units behind the 360 that is pretty good

jsmoke03

I also paid $599 for my 60GB i have no regrets either. vincent380

agreed. For the people who actually looked at the bigger picture at launch they would have seen that the ps3 would be cheaper in the long run. 360 launch users with live have now paid more than ps3 launch users.

I still believe the PS3 will outsell the X360 by the end of this generation.

[QUOTE="Nengo_Flow"][QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

I have no regrets.

Stop saying nonsense, and go and unscrew your PS3 out and see what's there. £425 is all there.

GamerwillzPS

Well, gaming is my #1 hobby so it was worth spending all of that money. Why did I spend £425 for such a console? Simply because it's PlayStation. I knew that Sony will deliver, and they did. I have alot of faith in Sony.

PS4 will be a day 1 purchase no matter what, even the price.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="nolson"]

360 is more expensive in the long run but just looking at them at launch it seemed cheaper. And LOL, if anything RROD made xbox sales INFLATED then what they should be. People bought 2 or 3 extra consoles because of that fiasco. Without RROD ps3 prob would be ahead lol. And I'm sorry you can't except the facts. It's not an excuse, it is a FACT that the ps3 has outsold 360 if you look at sales against time on the market. ps3 almost 6 full years 360 almost 7. Theres only a 2 million gap so its easy to see 360 would be last. its not a what if game, its a fact.

nolson

Do you have a stuttering problem?? Don't pretend like everyone went through Microsoft to repair the system for free. Plenty of people just went out and bought new systems either because they did not want to wait for it to be fixed or because it was out of warranty.

lol if someones so impatient they would spend several hundred on a new console rather than wait two weeks or less, they derserve to have their money taken.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="nolson"]

360 is more expensive in the long run but just looking at them at launch it seemed cheaper. And LOL, if anything RROD made xbox sales INFLATED then what they should be. People bought 2 or 3 extra consoles because of that fiasco. Without RROD ps3 prob would be ahead lol. And I'm sorry you can't except the facts. It's not an excuse, it is a FACT that the ps3 has outsold 360 if you look at sales against time on the market. ps3 almost 6 full years 360 almost 7. Theres only a 2 million gap so its easy to see 360 would be last. its not a what if game, its a fact.

nolson

Do you have a stuttering problem?? Don't pretend like everyone went through Microsoft to repair the system for free. Plenty of people just went out and bought new systems either because they did not want to wait for it to be fixed or because it was out of warranty.

Sony is in 3rd place but less than 2 million units behind the 360 that is pretty good

noscope-ak47

I thought it was 3 million.

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

The thing is, if Sony tried to keep the launch price down, there wouldn't be Blu-ray. Our exclusives would have been different and inferior like the 360.

I expect the PS4 to be priced reasonably as Blu-ray have been around for a while, so the price for the drive won't be as high.

I spent the launch price, and I have to say it was worth it. It's one hell of a console!

Nengo_Flow

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

The thing is, if Sony tried to keep the launch price down, there wouldn't be Blu-ray. Our exclusives would have been different and inferior like the 360.

I expect the PS4 to be priced reasonably as Blu-ray have been around for a while, so the price for the drive won't be as high.

I spent the launch price, and I have to say it was worth it. It's one hell of a console!

Nengo_Flow

[QUOTE="nolson"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] lol I always love this verging on ******** in the least completely moronic statement. but but but but but but 360 fans all purchased 3-4 extra 360's...because RROD wasn't fixed for free....WilliamRLBaker

Do you have a stuttering problem?? Don't pretend like everyone went through Microsoft to repair the system for free. Plenty of people just went out and bought new systems either because they did not want to wait for it to be fixed or because it was out of warranty.

Guess that answeres my question about the stuttering. The maturity level sure is low around here can't even have a civil conversation like an adult. I didn't say no one took advantage of the program. I was simply saying not EVERYONE took advantage of the program. You seem to have a reading comprehension problem. Quit twisting my words to fit what you wish they said.

sony has admitted that they have finished 3rd this gen.. and they blame the high launch price of the system.

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/sony-admits-ps3-price-was-a-factor-in-3rd-place-current-gen-finish/097791

TCHBO

ionusX

I wasn't aware that this gen was over already? Where is the PS4 and Xbox 720? I can't find them anywhere at Gamestop:?

lol you are such a stupid moronic ****** you have never been worth the time. according to you no 360 was ever covered under rrod for longer then 2 minutes, you've also admitted to claiming that no 360 ever ran for longer then 5 minutes. I've yet to see you not only post something correct but something that wasn't an outright lie including what was posted here. blockedWilliamRLBaker

Welcome to the blocked club, and yes I know I am blocked also :)

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] lol you are such a stupid moronic ****** you have never been worth the time. according to you no 360 was ever covered under rrod for longer then 2 minutes, you've also admitted to claiming that no 360 ever ran for longer then 5 minutes. I've yet to see you not only post something correct but something that wasn't an outright lie including what was posted here. blockedsts106mat

Welcome to the blocked club, and yes I know I am blocked also :)

I think it is very sweet of you to constantly defend Willy, but he doesnt even see it unless you quote me.

Plus neck beards are unforgivable.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="nolson"]

Do you have a stuttering problem?? Don't pretend like everyone went through Microsoft to repair the system for free. Plenty of people just went out and bought new systems either because they did not want to wait for it to be fixed or because it was out of warranty.

nolson

Guess that answeres my question about the stuttering. The maturity level sure is low around here can't even have a civil conversation like an adult. I didn't say no one took advantage of the program. I was simply saying not EVERYONE took advantage of the program. You seem to have a reading comprehension problem. Quit twisting my words to fit what you wish they said.

Maturity level? Attacking sales figures based on more theory than fact. People implying the amount of consumers who didn't take advantage of the extended warranty was so significant that it had a major affect on overall sales.

Exactly how seriously do you think this is going to be taken?

Blu-ray fcked them.

I still believe the PS3 will outsell the X360 by the end of this generation.

omho88

Well yes... I agree with sony on that... I remember lurking into shops and e-shops and while seeing the infamous 699euros ( more than 800dollars at that time ) with no game and i was like WTF is goin on. Then the infamous "cuts" of the system , like backward compatibility and other goodies just to make it 599E ( around 620dollars ). This mess up made people to stay away. Even as we speak , i think PS3 as a very expensive system ( for 7 years old console it is ). I think they wont mess it up this gen and i might buy a playstation again. PS3 failed in every aspect as hardware and did nothing right as of what it was hyped before release. ( 1080p gaming , way better graphics than competition etc etc ).AzatiS

PS3 went down to like £300 when the 40gb iteration dropped and definately wasnt 599E unless your living in the eastern bloc.

[QUOTE="omho88"]

I still believe the PS3 will outsell the X360 by the end of this generation.

AzatiS

You are being nice buddy. That 'PS3 will surpass 360' agenda started in 2005.

[QUOTE="nolson"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] but but but but but but no one ever in the history of the 360 took advantage of the 3 year replacement policy on rrod and e74 all of them went out and purchased new 360's...Are you next going to claim that over 50% of 360 purchases were repurchases like some charlie sheens in this thread have claimed like the mortally stupid dip heads they are? *mortally stupid As in they likely have to live on life support because they are so brain dead they cannot eat or breath on their own*HalcyonScarlet

Guess that answeres my question about the stuttering. The maturity level sure is low around here can't even have a civil conversation like an adult. I didn't say no one took advantage of the program. I was simply saying not EVERYONE took advantage of the program. You seem to have a reading comprehension problem. Quit twisting my words to fit what you wish they said.

Maturity level? Attacking sales figures based on more theory than fact. People implying the amount of consumers who didn't take advantage of the extended warranty was so significant that it had a major affect on overall sales.

Exactly how seriously do you think this is going to be taken?

I feel it's a valid argument. Since when does an argument being considered valid or not equate to being mature. You think I'm wrong. That's fine it has nothing to do with being mature or not about it. However the adult going "but but but but but but but but but" is very immature.