Sony wins the next handheld generation because of two facts

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#51 Superbored
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Nintendo wins because it is Nintendo

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I bet you would have said that when the original Playstation came out as well.

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#52 HuusAsking
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Honestly, I think both companies will find difficulty dominating the handheld arena due to added competition and pressure from Apple and other mobile providers who seem to be incorporating gaming more dramatically into their devices. On the one hand, Nintendo has a strong appeal to minors and has a great reputation among parents for children's games (although they're online still sucks and doesn't seem to be getting much better) while Sony provides a technologically superior gaming experience that will attract the more hardcore gaming group. I think Sony has a better chance of capitalizing based on the crowd they're targeting and how mobile gaming can equate to what is experienced on consoles, which I think may persuade a number of PS3 and 360 owners to invest in the NGP.

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It certainly piqued my interest for a while, but my mobile interests diverge enough to make me take a pass on it (the next phone I want has to have a physical keyboard--I'm all thumbs with virtual ones).
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#53 Kingpin0114
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[QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]I'm not saying it'll beat the 3DS. I'm just saying Sony's doing its homework, and this upcoming fight between the NGP and the 3DS will probably look a lot different. Sony's found ways to distinguish its NGP from the 3DS.windsquid9000

Hmmmm...looks like Sony is using the portable console technique again IMO, but we will see what happens.

They made it quite clear at the conference that they'll be supporting casual games, "hardcore" games, and everything in between.

Ummm okay. It still sounds like they want it to be a portable PS3.

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[QUOTE="SoraX64"][QUOTE="HFkami"]

sony has call of duty more they dont need

groowagon

:lol: 1. I'm sure there will be CoD games on the 3DS 2. LoZ, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Pokemon, etc. >>>>>>>> a half baked FPS made for 13 year olds.

1. i don't see how shooters would work with 3DS's button layout.

2. Only thing i give a damn about from those, is Zelda.

1. Why not? Shooters worked on the DS. 2. Good for you. I don't care.
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#55 windsquid9000
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[QUOTE="windsquid9000"][QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

Hmmmm...looks like Sony is using the portable console technique again IMO, but we will see what happens.

Kingpin0114

They made it quite clear at the conference that they'll be supporting casual games, "hardcore" games, and everything in between.

Ummm okay. It still sounds like they want it to be a portable PS3.

Among many other things.
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[QUOTE="SoraX64"][QUOTE="HFkami"]

sony has call of duty more they dont need

groowagon

:lol: 1. I'm sure there will be CoD games on the 3DS 2. LoZ, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Pokemon, etc. >>>>>>>> a half baked FPS made for 13 year olds.

1. i don't see how shooters would work with 3DS's button layout.

2. Only thing i give a damn about from those, is Zelda.

2. And yet it's still >>>>> Black Ops.

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#57 Kingpin0114
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[QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

[QUOTE="windsquid9000"] They made it quite clear at the conference that they'll be supporting casual games, "hardcore" games, and everything in between.windsquid9000

Ummm okay. It still sounds like they want it to be a portable PS3.

Among many other things.

Like?

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#58 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="windsquid9000"][QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

Hmmmm...looks like Sony is using the portable console technique again IMO, but we will see what happens.

Kingpin0114

They made it quite clear at the conference that they'll be supporting casual games, "hardcore" games, and everything in between.

Ummm okay. It still sounds like they want it to be a portable PS3.

So? Why not have a device that can play just about anything? From Angry Birds to God of War and everything in between?
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#59 deactivated-5bda06edf37ee
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Why not? Shooters worked on the DS.SoraX64

i can't imagine how they can work without two analogue sticks. even one would be sufficient, if you would have the D-pad on the opposite side. maybe they have shooters, but i imagine the would play awkward at best.

2. And yet it's still >>>>> Black Ops.

That_one_pie

i agree, but millions of others don't. sales don't lie.

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#60 Kingpin0114
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[QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

[QUOTE="windsquid9000"] They made it quite clear at the conference that they'll be supporting casual games, "hardcore" games, and everything in between.HuusAsking

Ummm okay. It still sounds like they want it to be a portable PS3.

So? Why not have a device that can play just about anything? From Angry Birds to God of War and everything in between?

I really don't give a flying fart that it's a PS3 portable. Cool whatever. What I don't understand is why cows like the one that made this thread think Sony has next gen in the bag because it made another powerful handheld. My goodness this really is 2005 all over again.

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#61 NWA90s
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Wasnt the PS3 suppose to win, since its better in technology?

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I dont think he is talking about quality. ps3 won tech and hardware wise.
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#62 NWA90s
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Wasnt the PS3 suppose to win, since its better in technology?

NWA90s
I dont think he is talking about quality. ps3 won tech and hardware wise.

oh crap. I meant quanity
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#63 Grawse
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Nintendo will leave Sony in their dust again.

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#64 Nonstop-Madness
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NGP will probably not beat the 3DS but it'll still be one hell of a device. I think NGP will do much better than the PSP ....... sales and games wise.
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NGP will probably not beat the 3DS but it'll still be one hell of a device. I think NGP will do much better than the PSP ....... sales and games wise. Nonstop-Madness
I agree I also didn't get interested in the PSP until last December but I'm already interested in the PSP2 /NGP.

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NGP will probably not beat the 3DS but it'll still be one hell of a device. I think NGP will do much better than the PSP ....... sales and games wise. Nonstop-Madness

yeah, 3DS will mostlikely win because of DS's huge fanbase, but NGP seems more appealing to me. i just hope it gets some solid games.

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#67 789shadow
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The NGP will lose because of an extremely high price and poor dev support thanks to high development costs.

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#68 pl4yer_f0und
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Sony needs to recognize that better tech doesnt equal better sales. Didnt work with ps3, didnt work with the psp.

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Just like how the psp won oh wait :lol:
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#70 _Cadbury_
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I completely agree that 3D is useless on the 3DS. Really, the screen us just too small for it.
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The NGP will lose because of an extremely high price and poor dev support thanks to high development costs.

789shadow

1. Not ever game has to max out the system. The NGP supports IOS/Android games, console games, and everything in between.

2. Porting PS3 code to the NGP only takes a couple weeks with minimal effort/compromise.

I don't think devs will have any trouble making games for the NGP.

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#72 HuusAsking
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The NGP will lose because of an extremely high price and poor dev support thanks to high development costs.

789shadow
The price is supposed to be comparable to, if not less than, a good Android smartphone, last I heard.
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#73 Dibdibdobdobo
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Who gets Monster Hunter 1st wins........
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I don't even want to bother debating how the 3DS will devour Sony's handheld, much like it's predecessor did, because I know most of you are 14 year-olds who think the NGP is "really, really cool!!"

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it's all about the dual thumbsticks.
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#76 scorch-62
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So it all boils down to 1. Because I said so. 2. Because they're Sony. Am I right?
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[QUOTE="scorch-62"]So it all boils down to 1.Because I said so. 2. Because they're Sony. Am I right?

Replace Sony with Nintendo and you have the other faction's argument. Don't you just love system wars?
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#78 Dibdibdobdobo
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[QUOTE="scorch-62"]So it all boils down to 1.Because I said so. 2. Because they're Sony. Am I right?windsquid9000
Replace Sony with Nintendo and you have the other faction's argument. Don't you just love system wars?

Actually you are quite wrong there. Handhelds on SW's where barely mentioned untill recently with the PSP2. Its usually 360 vs PS3 threads.
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#79 ZIVX
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Sony needs to recognize that better tech doesnt equal better sales. Didnt work with ps3, didnt work with the psp.

pl4yer_f0und

It also didn't work for the N64, Gamecube, Xbox, and all of Sega's consoles

History has said that the weakest hardware wins the sales wars: SNES, PS1, PS2, Wii, DS

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NGP will probably cost more, have a smaller library of games and is coming out later. Nintendo is going to ''win''.
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#81 windsquid9000
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NGP will probably cost more, have a smaller library of games and is coming out later. Nintendo is going to ''win''.RK-Mara
Considering all the services it would be getting games from, having a small library is borderline impossible.
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#82 ZIVX
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[QUOTE="SoraX64"]Why not? Shooters worked on the DS.groowagon

i can't imagine how they can work without two analogue sticks. even one would be sufficient, if you would have the D-pad on the opposite side. maybe they have shooters, but i imagine the would play awkward at best.

2. And yet it's still >>>>> Black Ops.

That_one_pie

i agree, but millions of others don't. sales don't lie.

If you have tried playing first-person shooters on the DS then you would know that the touchscreen works as a second analog stick where sliding the stylus around moves the camera. Gameplay Video

The millions of sales were on the PS3 and mostly XBox 360. People usually buy CoD to play online with each other. All those sales on the consoles do not equate the same sales for the handheld versions, especially if you can't play online with the people on the console counterparts.

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[QUOTE="HFkami"]

[QUOTE="SoraX64"]3DS will win because of library.SoraX64

sony has call of duty more they dont need

:lol: 1. I'm sure there will be CoD games on the 3DS

2. LoZ, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Pokemon, etc. >>>>>>>>a half baked FPS made for13 year olds

1. A real CoD though? Sony just need to make sure the game is linked on PS3 and NGP and its game over. May not be the best franchise but it does have selling power, you'll find alot of these 13 year olds will want a portable CoD

2.Bolded is correct. Just Mario Kart and Zelda and i wouldve taken it seriously

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#84 magiciandude
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You would think the PSP cows would learn by now that better graphics does not automatically mean a better game list. :roll:

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#85 windsquid9000
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You would think the PSP cows would learn by now that better tech does not automatically mean a better game list. :roll:

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Yes, but when your tech allows every type of game to work best on your system...
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#86 Miroku32
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Wasnt the PS3 suppose to win, since its better in technology?

DroidPhysX

And see what happened, last place and took two years before they could start selling more.

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#87 magiciandude
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[QUOTE="magiciandude"]

You would think the PSP cows would learn by now that better tech does not automatically mean a better game list. :roll:

windsquid9000

Yes, but when your tech allows every type of game to work best on your system...

I heard that 5 years ago when the PSP was new. In fact, all this NGS vs 3DS is same as it was 5-6 years ago. :|

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#88 Mystic-G
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Let's be realistic here. 3DS is gonna most likely be cheaper and it adds a little extra to a in-style gimmick so it will win. Doesn't make it better, just makes it a easier sell.

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[QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

Sony is going to get manhandled again because it's trying to be the jack of all trades. Didn't work with the PSP so why would it work with the NGP?

windsquid9000

The PSP was powerful and feature-rich, but the compromised controls crippled its potential. The NGP is powerful enough to support any type of game, has enough inputs to support any control scheme, is complex enough to give a convenient, high quality experience to the user, and is more than capable of providing experiences only possible on the NGP.

its shooting for a more console like experience and thats why its really going to fail, you'll probably be better off owning a console and then getting a 3ds, the ngp would be like telling a pc gamer to play on a console, now your your telling a console gamer to play on a portable.

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I heard that 5 years ago when the PSP was new. In fact, all this NGS vs 3DS is same as it was 5-6 years ago. :|

magiciandude

I'm not just talking about raw power (all the PSP had over the DS), but also inputs and features. No matter which way you cut it, the NGP is the more desirable system for developers.

its shooting for a more console like experience and thats why its really going to fail, you'll probably be better off owning a console and then getting a 3ds, the ngp would be like telling a pc gamer to play on a console, now your your telling a console gamer to play on a portable.savagetwinkie

Sony's attacking all markets this time around. A console experience on the go is just one of many that the NGP will offer.

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#91 savagetwinkie
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[QUOTE="magiciandude"]

[QUOTE="windsquid9000"]

I heard that 5 years ago when the PSP was new. In fact, all this NGS vs 3DS is same as it was 5-6 years ago. :|

windsquid9000

I'm not just talking about raw power (all the PSP had over the DS), but also inputs and features.

its shooting for a more console like experience and thats why its really going to fail, you'll probably be better off owning a console and then getting a 3ds, the ngp would be like telling a pc gamer to play on a console, now your your telling a console gamer to play on a portable.savagetwinkie

Sony's attacking all markets this time around. A console experience on the go is just one of many that the NGP will offer.

yah but i don't see it being a very popular thing, i mean the ds isn't exactly a console experience and did tons better then the psp which was closer t oa console, and now its a pretty similar race, so there is no reason logically that ngp will be more successful then ngp
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Lol TC, bringing CoD in the argument shows how desperate you are.

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#93 Lost-Memory
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1. They work with google together and open their library and their concept for other smartphones. Plus they make an adroid smarthphone psp hybrid by them self. This step brings the psp brand forward and makes sony ready when time comes if handhelds have to fusion with phones completly. Nintendo lacks this kind of concept. They are still stucked in the 90s when they did their money with pokemon. I see a lot of young kids these days with smartphones and other mobilphones.

2. The PSP2 is just better in technology. Nintendo has 3D therefore has sony better graphics. 3DS is just as strong as PSP while NGP is as strong as a PS3. 3D is pretty useless for handhelds, cause it will take too much battery life. Plus sony is the one who has better controlls this time. Two analogsticks, motion controls, two touchpads, camera and microphone. Sony lost the last generation because they focused too much on graphics while nintendo came with innovative controls. This time its completely the opposite. 3D is not ready for handhelds it will eat to much battery life while nintendo has nothing new with their controls besides that one analogstick.

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By the sounds of things, SONY will be expecting people to pay 600 dollars for the NGP......
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Unfortunately, as with pretty much every consumer-market, the device that wins is not the best one, the one with the most features or the best built one, it is simply the one with the most effective marketing. Generally speaking, over the last few years, Nintendo's has had that in the bag, and they'll probably continue to with the 3DS.
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[QUOTE="magiciandude"]

I heard that 5 years ago when the PSP was new. In fact, all this NGS vs 3DS is same as it was 5-6 years ago. :|

windsquid9000

I'm not just talking about raw power (all the PSP had over the DS), but also inputs and features. No matter which way you cut it, the NGP is the more desirable system for developers.

its shooting for a more console like experience and thats why its really going to fail, you'll probably be better off owning a console and then getting a 3ds, the ngp would be like telling a pc gamer to play on a console, now your your telling a console gamer to play on a portable.savagetwinkie

Sony's attacking all markets this time around. A console experience on the go is just one of many that the NGP will offer.

No its not. The most desired console to develope on will be the one which has the biggest user base. Developers see £ signs.

Sony attacked all markets with the PSP. Nothing unusual there really that theyre going for broader horizon than last gen.

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the problem i see with the ngp for sony its big and long people want handhelds to be small its not bad but its not going to win this way.
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#97 windsquid9000
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No its not. The most desired console to develope on will be the one which has the biggest user base. Developers see £ signs.

Sony attacked all markets with the PSP. Nothing unusual there really that theyre going for broader horizon than last gen.

Dibdibdobdobo

Dang, what is it with you guys and selective reading? The experiences the PSP was trying to offer were crippled by the system's controls- as was its appeal. The NGP does not have the same limitations as the PSP. In fact, one could argue that it has no limitations. Unlike the PSP which had only gimped game pad controls, the NGP can support virtually any control scheme, it has enough power to run any type of game, and it's complex enough to offer a quick, responsive, simple, and convenient experience for the user.

EDIT: That's why all the major 3rd party developers made all their best games for the Wii, rite?

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#98 magiciandude
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No its not. The most desired console to develope on will be the one which has the biggest user base. Developers see £ signs.

Sony attacked all markets with the PSP. Nothing unusual there really that theyre going for broader horizon than last gen.

Dibdibdobdobo

Exactly!

How else would you explain the support the DS got last gen?

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#99 WiiMan21
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As of now, the NGP will definitely be a wiser purchase.

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#100 rcafan
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[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]

No its not. The most desired console to develope on will be the one which has the biggest user base. Developers see £ signs.

Sony attacked all markets with the PSP. Nothing unusual there really that theyre going for broader horizon than last gen.

windsquid9000

Dang, what is it with you guys and selective reading? The experiences the PSP was trying to offer were crippled by the system's controls- as was its appeal. The NGP does not have the same limitations as the PSP. In fact, one could argue that it has no limitations. Unlike the PSP which had only gimped game pad controls, the NGP can support virtually any control scheme, it has enough power to run any type of game, and it's complex enough to offer a quick, responsive, simple, and convenient experience for the user.

EDIT: That's why all the major 3rd party developers made all their best games for the Wii, rite?

wrong developers were lazy with wii with the ds is not contest as psp was more of the old games not new ones.