Sony wins the next handheld generation because of two facts

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#101 Darth_DuMas
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But will the PSP 2 get the software support it needs? The PSP apparently struggled with 3rd party devs.

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1. They work with google together and open their library and their concept for other smartphones. Plus they make an adroid smarthphone psp hybrid by them self. This step brings the psp brand forward and makes sony ready when time comes if handhelds have to fusion with phones completly. Nintendo lacks this kind of concept. They are still stucked in the 90s when they did their money with pokemon. I see a lot of young kids these days with smartphones and other mobilphones.

2. The PSP2 is just better in technology. Nintendo has 3D therefore has sony better graphics. 3DS is just as strong as PSP while NGP is as strong as a PS3. 3D is pretty useless for handhelds, cause it will take too much battery life. Plus sony is the one who has better controlls this time. Two analogsticks, motion controls, two touchpads, camera and microphone. Sony lost the last generation because they focused too much on graphics while nintendo came with innovative controls. This time its completely the opposite. 3D is not ready for handhelds it will eat to much battery life while nintendo has nothing new with their controls besides that one analogstick.

HFkami

yes and nintendo have a very bad performance per value also they always overpriced their own games, you calculate the performance of the wii 199$ for the value

and you multiplies it by 3.5 (the performance of the ps3) that 699$! and it even worse if you comparate it with 3ds and ngp

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[QUOTE="HFkami"]

1. They work with google together and open their library and their concept for other smartphones. Plus they make an adroid smarthphone psp hybrid by them self. This step brings the psp brand forward and makes sony ready when time comes if handhelds have to fusion with phones completly. Nintendo lacks this kind of concept. They are still stucked in the 90s when they did their money with pokemon. I see a lot of young kids these days with smartphones and other mobilphones.

2. The PSP2 is just better in technology. Nintendo has 3D therefore has sony better graphics. 3DS is just as strong as PSP while NGP is as strong as a PS3. 3D is pretty useless for handhelds, cause it will take too much battery life. Plus sony is the one who has better controlls this time. Two analogsticks, motion controls, two touchpads, camera and microphone. Sony lost the last generation because they focused too much on graphics while nintendo came with innovative controls. This time its completely the opposite. 3D is not ready for handhelds it will eat to much battery life while nintendo has nothing new with their controls besides that one analogstick.

quebec946

yes and nintendo have a very bad performance per value also they always overpriced their own games, you calculate the performance of the wii 199$ for the value

and you multiplies it by 3.5 (the performance of the ps3) that 699$! and it even worse if you comparate it with 3ds and ngp

If I remember correctly, the Wii only costs $85 to manufacture (probably even less now).
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#104 e_stone001
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I'm a Sony fan and like the PSP2/NGP, but the 3DS is gonna beat this. The reason why is because of casual gamers. More casuals will pick up the 3DS instead of the NGP because Nintendo has been in the handheld market longer than any other company. Games is what determines the real winner, not sales, so although the NGP has better tech than the 3DS, let's see if it has quality games that will make ppl go out and buy it for that handheld.

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#105 Nintendo_Ownes7
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[QUOTE="quebec946"]

[QUOTE="HFkami"]

1. They work with google together and open their library and their concept for other smartphones. Plus they make an adroid smarthphone psp hybrid by them self. This step brings the psp brand forward and makes sony ready when time comes if handhelds have to fusion with phones completly. Nintendo lacks this kind of concept. They are still stucked in the 90s when they did their money with pokemon. I see a lot of young kids these days with smartphones and other mobilphones.

2. The PSP2 is just better in technology. Nintendo has 3D therefore has sony better graphics. 3DS is just as strong as PSP while NGP is as strong as a PS3. 3D is pretty useless for handhelds, cause it will take too much battery life. Plus sony is the one who has better controlls this time. Two analogsticks, motion controls, two touchpads, camera and microphone. Sony lost the last generation because they focused too much on graphics while nintendo came with innovative controls. This time its completely the opposite. 3D is not ready for handhelds it will eat to much battery life while nintendo has nothing new with their controls besides that one analogstick.

windsquid9000

yes and nintendo have a very bad performance per value also they always overpriced their own games, you calculate the performance of the wii 199$ for the value

and you multiplies it by 3.5 (the performance of the ps3) that 699$! and it even worse if you comparate it with 3ds and ngp

If I remember correctly, the Wii only costs $85 to manufacture (probably even less now).

At launch Nintendo was only making $15 profit off of every Wii sold you forget stuff like retailer fees and R&D.

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#106 caryslan2
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[QUOTE="khoofia_pika"][QUOTE="HFkami"]

sony has call of duty more they dont need

groowagon

You don't really mean that, do you?

see some Black Ops sales figures. that might actually hold some water.

atleast i'd choose CoD over Pokemon anyday.

And you honestly think the 3DS won't get COD games as well? In case you failed to notice, the DS has been the only handheld that has gotten the last few COD games and they tend to sell fairly well.

Why would Activsion ditch the 3DS when COD has done so well on the DS?

Fact is, unless Activision stops liking money you will see COD games on both the 3DS and NGP.

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[QUOTE="groowagon"]

[QUOTE="khoofia_pika"] You don't really mean that, do you?caryslan2

see some Black Ops sales figures. that might actually hold some water.

atleast i'd choose CoD over Pokemon anyday.

And you honestly think the 3DS won't get COD games as well? In case you failed to notice, the DS has been the only handheld that has gotten the last few COD games and they tend to sell fairly well.

Why would Activsion ditch the 3DS when COD has done so well on the DS?

Fact is, unless Activision stops liking money you will see COD games on both the 3DS and NGP.

And now that they can't get away with N64 quality and have to put some actual substance into their games, the much more capable NGP becomes the more desirable platform. as they can simply port over the PS3 version in a couple weeks and might even be able to integrate cross platform multi-player.

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#108 caryslan2
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[QUOTE="caryslan2"]

[QUOTE="groowagon"]

see some Black Ops sales figures. that might actually hold some water.

atleast i'd choose CoD over Pokemon anyday.

windsquid9000

And you honestly think the 3DS won't get COD games as well? In case you failed to notice, the DS has been the only handheld that has gotten the last few COD games and they tend to sell fairly well.

Why would Activsion ditch the 3DS when COD has done so well on the DS?

Fact is, unless Activision stops liking money you will see COD games on both the 3DS and NGP.

And now that they can't get away with N64 quality and have to put some actual substance into their games, the much more capable NGP becomes the more desirable platform. as they can simply port over the PS3 version in a couple weeks and might even be able to integrate cross platform multi-player.

On the same token, they could easily port over the Wii versions of COD and simply change the control scheme. And to be honest, how hard would it be for them to build a COD for the 3DS even if there is no Wii version to port? The graphics engine already exists, they can likely reuse assets from the Wii versions, and if Activision sees money that they can make from 3DS owners, you will see COD on there.

Think about this, Activision has made Wii versions of COD for years so how hard would it be to have a separate company or team working on 3DS COD games? If they sell on the 3DS and Activions can make a profit, then why would they ignore the platform?

Both handhelds will get COD.

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As a self-aware cow, I just have to say that many cows on SW really jump the gun.

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1. That 3G subscription model will not catch on because not that many people are gonna be willing to pay a monthly fee on top of a large expense for the machine. It's not a standard feature among the entire NGP base.

2. Higher tech has never meant winning any system's respective sales war. In fact, the lower tech systems always win.

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#111 ActicEdge
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Sorry but handheld systems are defined by one thing and that's games. So in a few years when we look at the libraries, the system with the most unique games will prove itself to be the better system.

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#112 ThePlothole
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gamecube had graphics like ps2 which means psp graphics

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No, Gamecube had graphic superior to PS2. Just compare both versions of Resident Evil 4. The PSP's capabilities are somewhere in-between the Dreamcast and PS2.
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1. That 3G subscription model will not catch on because not that many people are gonna be willing to pay a monthly fee on top of a large expense for the machine. It's not a standard feature among the entire NGP base.

2. Higher tech has never meant winning any system's respective sales war. In fact, the lower tech systems always win.

Bigboi500
1. is disputable. It depends on the type of person. Me? I'd be willing to have unlimited talk, text, and web for $60/month (actually found a prepaid GSM that would deliver) since it would allow quite a few things like augmented reality and online driving assistance. As for #2, IIRC the NES and SNES won their respective generations and were arguably the stonger consoles.
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#114 HuusAsking
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Sorry but handheld systems are defined by one thing and that's games. So in a few years when we look at the libraries, the system with the most unique games will prove itself to be the better system.

ActicEdge
Which can give the NGP an edge since more types of games are possible on it. Now, you don't have to mold the game so much to the system, especially in the controls department.
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#115 Bigboi500
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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

1. That 3G subscription model will not catch on because not that many people are gonna be willing to pay a monthly fee on top of a large expense for the machine. It's not a standard feature among the entire NGP base.

2. Higher tech has never meant winning any system's respective sales war. In fact, the lower tech systems always win.

HuusAsking

1. is disputable. It depends on the type of person. Me? I'd be willing to have unlimited talk, text, and web for $60/month (actually found a prepaid GSM that would deliver) since it would allow quite a few things like augmented reality and online driving assistance. As for #2, IIRC the NES and SNES won their respective generations and were arguably the stonger consoles.

Of course it's disputable, nothing is a sure thing, but the majority of sales from any video game system will come from kids, especially handhelds, so there's not gonna be that many parents that will agree to buying an expensive system plus $30 a month on top of that just so little Jimmy can play his NGP. I also don't believe a large amount of responsible working-class adults will be getting that sku either, they're used to getting the hardware (smart phones) at a discount, or even free when they pay a hefty monthly fee. I seriously doubt that Sony, or any 3G supplier will do that. The NES/SNES generations saw very similar power between rival systems, so that's kind of irrelevant.

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#116 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Sorry but handheld systems are defined by one thing and that's games. So in a few years when we look at the libraries, the system with the most unique games will prove itself to be the better system.

HuusAsking

Which can give the NGP an edge since more types of games are possible on it. Now, you don't have to mold the game so much to the system, especially in the controls department.

You are confused, It doesn't matter how the games are formed or whether they are ports or etc. When the years past, we will like at the defining games and the unique experiences and that sysytem will be the best handheld device. As of right now, no system has any edge what so ever because none of them have playable games.

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#117 SaltyMeatballs
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Nintendo that hook: 3D no glasses, outta' the box, nothing else needed. They will win.
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#118 Console_Gamer93
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Nintendo wins because it is Nintendo

Snakemaster9

More like 'Nintendo gets a free pass because it is Nintendo". As long as Pokemon, Mario, and a few others show up people will buy their product in drones.

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#119 SaltyMeatballs
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[QUOTE="Snakemaster9"]

Nintendo wins because it is Nintendo

Console_Gamer93

More like 'Nintendo gets a free pass because it is Nintendo". As long as Pokemon, Mario, and a few others show up people will buy their product in drones.

What's that? Games make people buy a console? OMG!
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#120 Console_Gamer93
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[QUOTE="Console_Gamer93"]

[QUOTE="Snakemaster9"]

Nintendo wins because it is Nintendo

SaltyMeatballs

More like 'Nintendo gets a free pass because it is Nintendo". As long as Pokemon, Mario, and a few others show up people will buy their product in drones.

What's that? Games make people buy a console? OMG!

"The same old games from the 80's/90's make people buy a console"? Is that what you were trying to say?

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#121 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"][QUOTE="Console_Gamer93"]

More like 'Nintendo gets a free pass because it is Nintendo". As long as Pokemon, Mario, and a few others show up people will buy their product in drones.

Console_Gamer93

What's that? Games make people buy a console? OMG!

"The same old games from the 80's/90's make people buy a console"? Is that what you were trying to say?

No, games people lik make people buy a console. Its not a hard concept.

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#122 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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Nintendo wins because Nintendo never loses in the handheld market. Fact.
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#123 SaltyMeatballs
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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"][QUOTE="Console_Gamer93"]

More like 'Nintendo gets a free pass because it is Nintendo". As long as Pokemon, Mario, and a few others show up people will buy their product in drones.

Console_Gamer93

What's that? Games make people buy a console? OMG!

"The same old games from the 80's/90's make people buy a consle"? Is that what you were trying to say?

Ah, much clearer now. Discussion is now over as far as I'm concerned.
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#124 blaznwiipspman1
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congratulations on having ps3 level graphics on a handheld. Unfortunately ps3 graphics has been outdated for the past 3 years and the PC is already on the level of ps5 graphics/xbox 1080

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[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

TC wrote: The PSP2 is just better in technology. Nintendo has 3D therefore has sony better graphics. 3DS is just as strong as PSP while NGP is as strong as a PS3. 3D is pretty useless for handhelds.

Having the least powerful hardware didn't stop the DS from outselling the PSP. Also the 3DS is far more powerful than the the first PSP (3DS offers gamecube like graphics)

HFkami

gamecube had graphics like ps2 which means psp graphics

the gamecube had much better graphics than the ps2.

And the 3ds has much better graphics than the psp.

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Dear god ...it's like we've all traveled back to 2005
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#127 Console_Gamer93
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[QUOTE="Console_Gamer93"]

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"] What's that? Games make people buy a console? OMG!ActicEdge

"The same old games from the 80's/90's make people buy a console"? Is that what you were trying to say?

No, games people lik make people buy a console. Its not a hard concept.

Well people like Killzone and Uncharted yet people here were complaining "oh PSP2 is just a PS3...same games" yet Nintendo does practically the same thing with their franchises and get no flak for it. Its called a double standard.

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#128 abmac713
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But the next handheld generation hasn't even started yet. :?

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trollolololololololololol, TC you crazy man.
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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"][QUOTE="Console_Gamer93"]

More like 'Nintendo gets a free pass because it is Nintendo". As long as Pokemon, Mario, and a few others show up people will buy their product in drones.

Console_Gamer93

What's that? Games make people buy a console? OMG!

"The same old games from the 80's/90's make people buy a console"? Is that what you were trying to say?

Those are the same games because they have the same chars, right?

Really, Mario has changed a lot more than Halo, etc. have.

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#131 DJ_Headshot
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If Sony priced it below the 3ds it would win imo but with all the tech there packing not likely even if they are selling it at a lose.

[QUOTE="HFkami"]3D is not ready for handhelds it will eat to much battery life while nintendo has nothing new with their controls besides that one analogstick.

MonsieurX

And having a portable PS3 will grant a great battery life,yeah!

:roll:

We have no official specs of the NGP battery life what we do know is the 3d of the 3ds drains battery life 5 hours of battery life with the 3d on at lowest brightness and only 3 hours at max. That's around what the first psp got me so the NGP will have alot power no doubt but the oled screen will help conserve power i expect both handhelds to have similar battery life no clear advantage for nintendo with the ds vs psp.

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#132 Bigboi500
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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"][QUOTE="Console_Gamer93"]

More like 'Nintendo gets a free pass because it is Nintendo". As long as Pokemon, Mario, and a few others show up people will buy their product in drones.

Console_Gamer93

What's that? Games make people buy a console? OMG!

"The same old games from the 80's/90's make people buy a console"? Is that what you were trying to say?

That's what they like, so what's the problem? It's no different from Sony fans who want more Uncharted, Ratchet, God of War etc. It just so happens that Nintendo fans support their favorite system makers more than anybody else.

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#133 trugs26
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Nintendo wins because Nintendo never loses in the handheld market. Fact.charizard1605

The problem of induction

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#134 YoYo278
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How people can even argue about the battery life being detriment to the success of the (already vastly superior in every possible way) NGP is astonishing.

1. 3DS has a 3 HOUR battery life

2. NGP has 8+ HOURS BATTERY LIFE, (take a look at the testers on ign who managed to crank out 9 hours playing the PsOne port of FF6)

The thing is, even with it 'three' screens;

Pixels on a 3ds = (800*240) + (320*240) = 268800

pixels on a ngp =
522240

which is MORE THAN DOUBLE the amount



The only way nintendo can possibly win this david vs Goliath is if they pull they're 3DS from releasing on shelves in february, and revamp the graphics and screen in time for the holiday season, otherwise its yet another victiory in the bag for sony

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#135 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Console_Gamer93"]

"The same old games from the 80's/90's make people buy a console"? Is that what you were trying to say?

Console_Gamer93

No, games people lik make people buy a console. Its not a hard concept.

Well people like Killzone and Uncharted yet people here were complaining "oh PSP2 is just a PS3...same games" yet Nintendo does practically the same thing with their franchises and get no flak for it. Its called a double standard.

Naw, its just you seeing what you wanna see. I will throw it out there that KZ and UC are not popular enough or offer unique enough experiences to make people go out and buy a new system for them especially when the feature set of these new games will be worse then there PS3 counterparts. People will go out and buy a Nintendo handheld for pokemon or mario because the competion doesn't offer much similar to those products, they have huge brand recognition and they are tailored to handheld gaming. That's why ninty gets less flak, because pokemon on a handheld is a unique experience vs all the games released in the last 15 or so years. Also, "people said so and so" is a uselsee statement, the issue was people buy a system for games and the response is, duh. Why would you argue some other random point?

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#136 93BlackHawk93
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How people can even argue about the battery life being detriment to the success of the (already vastly superior in every possible way) NGP is astonishing.

1. 3DS has a 3 HOUR battery life

2. NGP has 8+ HOURS BATTERY LIFE, (take a look at the testers on ign who managed to crank out 9 hours playing the PsOne port of FF6)

The thing is, even with it 'three' screens;

Pixels on a 3ds = (800*240) + (320*240) = 268800

pixels on a ngp =
522240

which is MORE THAN DOUBLE the amount



The only way nintendo can possibly win this david vs Goliath is if they pull they're 3DS from releasing on shelves in february, and revamp the graphics and screen in time for the holiday season, otherwise its yet another victiory in the bag for sony

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#137 dercoo
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I still believe NGP biggest advantage is dual analog.:P

Touch screen option (acting as 2nd analog) is ***** by comparison.

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#138 Hakkai007
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The PSP had better tech in it than the DS and look how that went......

I might pick up a NGP but it will depend on if it offers games I want.

I could care less about graphics on a hand held when I have a PC for that.

Give me games like 999, Professor Layton and Hotel Dusk and I will get a NGP.

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#139 Console_Gamer93
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[QUOTE="Console_Gamer93"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

No, games people lik make people buy a console. Its not a hard concept.

ActicEdge

Well people like Killzone and Uncharted yet people here were complaining "oh PSP2 is just a PS3...same games" yet Nintendo does practically the same thing with their franchises and get no flak for it. Its called a double standard.

Naw, its just you seeing what you wanna see. I will throw it out there that KZ and UC are not popular enough or offer unique enough experiences to make people go out and buy a new system for them especially when the feature set of these new games will be worse then there PS3 counterparts. People will go out and buy a Nintendo handheld for pokemon or mario because the competion doesn't offer much similar to those products, they have huge brand recognition and they are tailored to handheld gaming. That's why ninty gets less flak, because pokemon on a handheld is a unique experience vs all the games released in the last 15 or so years. Also, "people said so and so" is a uselsee statement, the issue was people buy a system for games and the response is, duh. Why would you argue some other random point?

How was my point random? My first comment was that "Nintendo get a free pass becuase they are Nintendo". Your entire post pretty much backs up my original statement.

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#140 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Console_Gamer93"]

Well people like Killzone and Uncharted yet people here were complaining "oh PSP2 is just a PS3...same games" yet Nintendo does practically the same thing with their franchises and get no flak for it. Its called a double standard.

Console_Gamer93

Naw, its just you seeing what you wanna see. I will throw it out there that KZ and UC are not popular enough or offer unique enough experiences to make people go out and buy a new system for them especially when the feature set of these new games will be worse then there PS3 counterparts. People will go out and buy a Nintendo handheld for pokemon or mario because the competion doesn't offer much similar to those products, they have huge brand recognition and they are tailored to handheld gaming. That's why ninty gets less flak, because pokemon on a handheld is a unique experience vs all the games released in the last 15 or so years. Also, "people said so and so" is a uselsee statement, the issue was people buy a system for games and the response is, duh. Why would you argue some other random point?

How was my point random? My first comment was that "Nintendo get a free pass becuase they are Nintendo". Your entire post pretty much backs up my original statement.

No it doesn't, nintendo isn't getting a free pass because they are called nintendo. They are popular because they have content people want. How is that a free pass? Its not my fault sony sucks at making hits, its not nintendo's fault, its not the stockholders fault, its Sony's. Boo hoo, people love Pokemon and Mario, there is a reason why.

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#141 Funconsole
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Nintendo wins because it is Nintendo

Snakemaster9
/thread Guess someone forgot about the PS3 and it's better tech ;)
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#142 Gamingclone
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Make all the predictions you want, while you are doing that, I'll be enjoy the games on the 3DS.

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How people can even argue about the battery life being detriment to the success of the (already vastly superior in every possible way) NGP is astonishing.

1. 3DS has a 3 HOUR battery life

2. NGP has 8+ HOURS BATTERY LIFE, (take a look at the testers on ign who managed to crank out 9 hours playing the PsOne port of FF6)

The thing is, even with it 'three' screens;

Pixels on a 3ds = (800*240) + (320*240) = 268800

pixels on a ngp =
522240

which is MORE THAN DOUBLE the amount



The only way nintendo can possibly win this david vs Goliath is if they pull they're 3DS from releasing on shelves in february, and revamp the graphics and screen in time for the holiday season, otherwise its yet another victiory in the bag for sony

YoYo278

Yet another victory for Sony? Sorry to burst your bubble, but the reality is that the PS3 and PSP are behind Nintendo consoles in marketshare.

Also, you need to check your history when it comes to handheld consoles. The Game Gear, Turbo Express, Game.Com, Atari Lynx, Wonderswan, Neo Geo Pocket, Sega Nomad, and PSP all boasted more powerful hardware and had more features then the Nintendo handhelds of their time.

Aside from the PSP, all of those are failures that were nothing more then footnotes in the history of gaming. Its been proven time after time that simply boasting superior hardware is not enough to defeat Nintendo in the hardware market.

If Sony prices NGP too high, then they will be in for a tough battle even if they boast superior hardware.

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#144 blaznwiipspman1
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the ONLY thing I repeat the ONLY thing that could possibly hurt nintendo in this gen's handheld race is the battery life of the 3DS. ALL gameboys have had at least a 5-6 hour battery life on their very 1st iteration. A 3 hour battery life is worse than alot of gaming laptops out there and that is just pathetic and sad on Nintendos part.

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#145 mynamesdenvrmax
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Good point about google. But I really think that Sony will mess this up. They will over price it, not support the US market well enough and if it doesnt sell well it will be forgotten by Sony. Apple is going to continue to grow in the handheld market. I think all Apple needs to do to win is sell a cradle with buttons and joystiqs for the iPhone/pod and its over for Sony especially, Nintendo will still do okay.

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#146 caryslan2
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[QUOTE="Snakemaster9"]

Nintendo wins because it is Nintendo

Console_Gamer93

More like 'Nintendo gets a free pass because it is Nintendo". As long as Pokemon, Mario, and a few others show up people will buy their product in drones.

And I'm sure people will buy the NGP because it has God of War, Uncharted, and other major Sony franchises that they loved from previous Playstation consoles.

Honestly, what is your point? Nintendo is not getting a free pass because of who they are. People still enjoy Mario, Pokemon, and their other franchises.

How is that any different then Sony banking on a God of War fan to buy a NGP? Its called having a killer app for your system and the simple fact is that Nintendo boasts some of the most recognizable franchises in gaming.

New Super Mario Bros did not sell because people were giving Nintendo a free pass. It sold in the millions because people wanted to play a 2-D Mario game.

Yes, Nintendo is banking on Mario and their other franchises to help sell the 3DS. Its called having the games that people want to play.

But Sony is doing the same thing by banking on God of War, Uncharted, COD, and their other franchises to move the NGP.

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[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

1. That 3G subscription model will not catch on because not that many people are gonna be willing to pay a monthly fee on top of a large expense for the machine. It's not a standard feature among the entire NGP base.

2. Higher tech has never meant winning any system's respective sales war. In fact, the lower tech systems always win.

Bigboi500

1. is disputable. It depends on the type of person. Me? I'd be willing to have unlimited talk, text, and web for $60/month (actually found a prepaid GSM that would deliver) since it would allow quite a few things like augmented reality and online driving assistance. As for #2, IIRC the NES and SNES won their respective generations and were arguably the stonger consoles.

Of course it's disputable, nothing is a sure thing, but the majority of sales from any video game system will come from kids, especially handhelds, so there's not gonna be that many parents that will agree to buying an expensive system plus $30 a month on top of that just so little Jimmy can play his NGP. I also don't believe a large amount of responsible working-class adults will be getting that sku either, they're used to getting the hardware (smart phones) at a discount, or even free when they pay a hefty monthly fee. I seriously doubt that Sony, or any 3G supplier will do that. The NES/SNES generations saw very similar power between rival systems, so that's kind of irrelevant.

Fine enough. The NGP's also supposed to be available, like the PSP, WiFi-only.
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#148 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="Console_Gamer93"]

[QUOTE="Snakemaster9"]

Nintendo wins because it is Nintendo

caryslan2

More like 'Nintendo gets a free pass because it is Nintendo". As long as Pokemon, Mario, and a few others show up people will buy their product in drones.

And I'm sure people will buy the NGP because it has God of War, Uncharted, and other major Sony franchises that they loved from previous Playstation consoles.

Honestly, what is your point? Nintendo is not getting a free pass because of who they are. People still enjoy Mario, Pokemon, and their other franchises.

How is that any different then Sony banking on a God of War fan to buy a NGP? Its called having a killer app for your system and the simple fact is that Nintendo boasts some of the most recognizable franchises in gaming.

New Super Mario Bros did not sell because people were giving Nintendo a free pass. It sold in the millions because people wanted to play a 2-D Mario game.

Yes, Nintendo is banking on Mario and their other franchises to help sell the 3DS. Its called having the games that people want to play.

But Sony is doing the same thing by banking on God of War, Uncharted, COD, and their other franchises to move the NGP.

More like people want the games because Mario or Pikachu or whatever are on it. People have been exposed to Mario for over 25 years now (actually, close to 30). He's so iconic that almost anything that has him in it sells: regardless of the genre. Put it this way. Make a decent 2D platformer with jump, stomp action, and so on, and you'll be booed as a copycat. Toss Mario in it, and it's a remake and instant hit. But let's not forget that Nintendo has dropped the ball in the past, making the wrong move in gamer expectations.
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1 wow they partner with google who cares,

2- the same could have been said about psp ,-more powerful,

so with that said keep making false claims you know darn well , you cant tell us whos gonna win but guess what ,, i bet your a fanboy

so here we go again in the 2nd time in a row that sony has made mistakes

1-lower battery life ign confirmed same as psp 3ds is 2 hours more as was ds when it first launch then the psp

2 price higher then 3ds

any gamer any real gamer will agree psp 2 is good but nintendo just has that deverse software line up backing it up , its not just a ds with 3d , its more then that,

and if any thing psp 2 is just a psp with upgraded graphics and touch somthing nintnedo does so well im a fraid since psp only has one screen its hampered by that fact, oh i didnt see a stylus either , put a negative on that well ya cause i hate my smart phone for playing games with no stylus , ya my stylus would have worked so darn well if they made it work ,, that being said , im gettin both, i just dont see it winning look at the ds fanbase compared to psp 1 , ,

sorry your like out numbered 2 to 1 -seriously 145 m vs 60 m , , thats your fanbase for psp , there is no way people willl pass up somthing nintendo done so good for was it 4 strieght gens , -nintendos holding a royalflush in its hands ,

and another reason why i think sony will not win ----giving nintendo that much head start again , --even more then it did the last time ,

lack of psp bc with my games is another reason and i refuse to download them wasting memory i know psp aint got that much of ---for me id need more then what even xbox 360 offers atm to be satisfied with dl big games like that

so no i think sony is in the same spot --doing good , but not shall we say taking nintendo out of this industry ,

oh i noticed some one toss a list of psp games , ok well didnt psp-1 have those games you listed -yes it had god of war lbp resistance motorstorm gt even twisted metal and rand c , ,

did that stop the original ds ,whos library was so varied , it isnt funny ,--

same will be said about 3ds,

its already got that kind of look to it,

---whats announced for it you say

1-saints row drive by-i bet you didnt see this coming considering gta ctw did bad

2 driver renegade yet again i bet you also didnt bank on this one happening

3 starfox3ds

4 kid icaris not only is this title been craved for by so many fans ,this is only the 2nd entry into it which makes this a rather new game

5-mariokart 3ds- ya ill whoop ya ,in this baby , - this is one of the most reason i continue to support nintendo , no one makes a cart racing game as fun as this -its been tried several times even by rare when it was nintendos 2nd party

6-paper mario , uh huh

7 rayman 3d- uh huh

8 raving rabbits 3ds-uh huh like i said before variety beats power

althogh 3ds graphics arent that bad considering we are getting the following

resident evil revelations 3ds

resident evil 3ds-ones a true horror game ones an action game

zelda ocrina of time

pilotwings ya its been that long since the last pilot wings i wont -pass this opertunity up!

ridge racer 3ds

final fantasy 3ds-what this will be i dont know but it has the name ff in it

mgs 3 - - it was awsome on ps2 , but it will be even awsomer on the go

the sims 3 no brainer

nintendogs 2 plus cats this sold like hot cakes on the ds what makes you think twice the same fans will not buy this

asphalt urban gt 3ds - i bought the original it was awsome, now this time it will be better,

oh and do you know that more third party studios signed on for the 3ds then the psp2 , genious heres why , your games on psp 2 will cost 59,99

vs 29 -49

dj hero 3ds -ya i can bet a guitar hero 3ds is in the works as well ,

not to mention a few titles that were just announced for the original ds which are bc with 3ds , and um did i mention bc , ya we already have thosands of titles plus vc service, -adding more , so think before you bring up games which we already can enjoy on our first psps including call of duty ,

lol from the looks of the psp 2 library as it stands it looks like my only choices are uncharted and maybe killzone or resistence and lets face it , im not gonaa buy into cod , no way, seams to me psp 2 got no variety which is what hurt psp 1 - - to many ports of ps3 titles , and news flash once again im sick of fpses , so 3 -4 fps in that starting line up already makes me sick ,oh ya did i forget to mention 3ds is getting kingdom hearts donkey kong 3ds , -you didnt know this , well now you do , also wait for it wait for it , ac3ds ya the most fun game on xbox 360 /ps3 , which newest edition is brother hood is getting another entry this time on the 3ds and ace combat is coming to 3ds , somthing ps2 was good for ,

not to forget bc cause i still got goldeneye to complete , so ya who said sonys gonna win before they even come out now?

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#150 Yo-gan
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[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

TC wrote: The PSP2 is just better in technology. Nintendo has 3D therefore has sony better graphics. 3DS is just as strong as PSP while NGP is as strong as a PS3. 3D is pretty useless for handhelds.

Having the least powerful hardware didn't stop the DS from outselling the PSP. Also the 3DS is far more powerful than the the first PSP (3DS offers gamecube like graphics)

HFkami

gamecube had graphics like ps2 which means psp graphics

Gamecube graphics >>> PS2 graphics (Go compare versions Resident Evil 4) and > PSP graphics.