sorry hermits PC isn't the best (facts only)

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

[quote="Bebi_vegeta"]Then threads like this should be locked... there is no point in them if this is SW rules. If there is no way to determine what system is best... then what is ''system wars''. Might as well do separate parts of forums for each system... CaseyWegner

No, threads where people present their ideas, provide evidence, persuasion, and logical support for those ideas, and try and defend them against challengers are the only meaingful way to discuss the System War. Threads where people say "it has the most sales and highest ratings, therefore it wins" with no further support are what should be challenged. Just because there is no official means of determing a winner does not mean that someone won't form an unbeatable argument in favor of one platform.

Is it likely? Hell no - but the debate is what the forum is about. When you say "nope, there's no debate, we just tally up what Kevin-V says" then there is no point to having a forum. You might as well simply shut down the forum if you're going to do that - there's no room for intelligent discussion, there's no "I have a different way of thinking". It's "nope, this is how we play this game" and that's that.

-

And yes, I did everything in my power to remove that broken way of thinking, and I will never allow it to return. It would be an embarassment to gamers for the most trafficked forum on the most trafficked gaming site on the internet to reduce itself to the level of soulless accounting. We might have our fair share of repetitive and downright silly posting, but we get intelligent discussions as well. I'm not keen to see that freedom taken away simply to satisfy Casey's love of Excel. I know the rows and columns are tidier than "emotions" and "preferences" - but at the end of the day I want to be holding a controller, not a ledger.

the winner doesn't have to be your favorite.

but the question is what criteria decides the winner and who creates that criteria? The only tangible way for deciding the winner would be by sales but then you have to argue over what is more important: hardware (Wii) or software (360) sales?

[QUOTE="angryfodder"][QUOTE="Phenom316"]

This thread is seriously degradding, comparing PC Gaming to Consoles is pathetic.

Phenom316

Why? I play all formats and to be honest, I don't find PC any better than consoles at all. Games on PC are not leaps and bounds ahead of anything on console as far as I am concerned.

PC games are held back by the fact that need to be able to run on fairly basic PC's as well as the powerful gaming rigs that the "elite" have. So apart from graphical touches, the core gameplay/game is the same.

Even the almighty "CRYSIS" isn't that amazing that it makes console gaming pale in significance

Neither do i lol.

Its degradding because comparing these two (wait, its 3 vs 1) platforms can only be done by fact. And factually, PC beats the living crap out of consoles.

I wish we were in a time where it was "Your game is great, but i like mine better", instead of "Yours sucks, its always sucked, mine rules, im the best, ahahahaha".

in factuality, the sales of all pcs and any of the consoles can't be compared. like i said before, the vast majority of pc sales are not high-end gaming pcs.

but yes, a high-end gaming pc will always be more advanced than the consoles.

so, in the end, it all really comes to preference. and, because it is all preference, the reason to argue about which is better no longer exists.

, the vast majority of pc sales are not high-end gaming pcs.thesmiter

[QUOTE="XEviscerateX"]

Fact-Fallout 3 has better graphics on the PC

Fact-Far Cry 2 has much better graphics on PC

Fact-Consoles lack mmos and are terrible at RTSes

Fact-Diablo 3 anyone?

Fact-The vast majority of genres for games are better played for PC.

nVidiaGaMer

Fact - graphics don't make a game

People seem to think otherwise with the Wii. "Luk @ them last gen grafix! LoL"

[QUOTE="aliblabla2007"][QUOTE="jasonheyman"]

Chart of 07

angryfodder

Wow.

The PC is only ONE system, and all three consoles combined barely beat it 2006 and weren't even higher in sales by 25%? Wow.

Note the trend though (if you can call two results a trend(which is a no really)).

Consoles are on the rise

Be interesting to see this years

sorry, but pc is the best : Official Current Gen AAAA, AAA and AA Game List* NO DISCUSSIONS! Don't want to use GS scores but want to use to Gamerankings, go to gamerankings then

naval

[QUOTE="NerdMan"]
Stopped reading as soon as I saw Gamerankings links.devious742

This is GameSpot and we discuss the videogaming industry here. GameRankings is part of this industry. If you don't like it, get off GameSpot. It's that easy.

This is GameSpot and we discuss the videogaming industry here. GameRankings is part of this industry. If you don't like it, get off GameSpot. It's that easy. Hexagon_777

[QUOTE="naval"]

sorry, but pc is the best : Official Current Gen AAAA, AAA and AA Game List* NO DISCUSSIONS! Don't want to use GS scores but want to use to Gamerankings, go to gamerankings then

Spybot_9

hmm.. i thought that would be true ... anyways consolites will just ignore this

[QUOTE="devious742"][QUOTE="NerdMan"]
Stopped reading as soon as I saw Gamerankings links.Hexagon_777

This is GameSpot and we discuss the videogaming industry here. GameRankings is part of this industry. If you don't like it, get off GameSpot. It's that easy.

so if you use gamespot score instead of some other site's score, you should get off gamespot :lol: great logic

[QUOTE="thesmiter"], the vast majority of pc sales are not high-end gaming pcs.Vandalvideo

where is your chart? i'm going off of experience. most of the people i know do not have computers that can play the more advanced games like crysis. i don't have one. my whole family doesn't have one. and game sales for the pc would indicate that most othe people don't. you may have one, but your market is statistically much smaller. look at the sales of the games.

and since when does a graphics card make an entire pc a high-end pc? i am not a computer expert, but aren't there a lot more parts to a computer, and can't things like the processor and ram run pretty expensive as well?

either way, read my other posts, i explain why it doesn't matter about the size of the pc market: they spend more on services. this isn't a bad thing. it is just how pc games generate more of their income. WoW is a perfect example.

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="naval"]

sorry, but pc is the best : Official Current Gen AAAA, AAA and AA Game List* NO DISCUSSIONS! Don't want to use GS scores but want to use to Gamerankings, go to gamerankings then

naval

hmm.. i thought that would be true ... anyways consolites will just ignore this

I agree that PC has more exclusives

where is your chart? i'm going off of experience. most of the people i know do not have computers that can play the more advanced games like crysis.thesmiter

and game sales for the pc would indicate that most othe people don't. you may have one, but your market is statistically much smaller.

look at the sales of the games. and since when does a graphics card make an entire pc a high-end pc? i am not a computer expert, but aren't there a lot more parts to a computer, and can't things like the processor and ram run pretty expensive as well?

either way, read my other posts, i explain why it doesn't matter about the size of the pc market: they spend more on services. this isn't a bad thing. it is just how pc games generate more of their income. WoW is a perfect example.

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="devious742"][QUOTE="NerdMan"]
Stopped reading as soon as I saw Gamerankings links.naval

This is GameSpot and we discuss the videogaming industry here. GameRankings is part of this industry. If you don't like it, get off GameSpot. It's that easy.

so if you use gamespot score instead of some other site's score, you should get off gamespot :lol: great logic

Your lack of reading comprehension is appalling. :|

http://kotaku.com/5038833/pc-gaming-a-107-billion-industry

The PC gaming industry pulled in $10.7 billion in 2007, with only 30 percent of that coming from retail sales, the president of the PC Gaming Alliance said today.

Speaking at the Games Convention Developer's Conference in Leipzig, Rand Stude said that online PC gaming was the top revenue earner in 2007 for PCs, pulling in $4.8 billion, nearly double the worldwide retail sales for PC games. Digital distribution sales approached $2 billion, while advertising revenues from websites, portals, and in-game ads accounted for $800 million.

"Our analysis clearly shows incredible growth in online PC gaming, proof that this industry is far stronger than anyone has reported," said Stude. "Today's consumers shop where they live - online."

blackdreamhunk

TC literally owned all the dumb hermits out there. well done man.rgame1

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]

http://kotaku.com/5038833/pc-gaming-a-107-billion-industry

The PC gaming industry pulled in $10.7 billion in 2007, with only 30 percent of that coming from retail sales, the president of the PC Gaming Alliance said today.

Speaking at the Games Convention Developer's Conference in Leipzig, Rand Stude said that online PC gaming was the top revenue earner in 2007 for PCs, pulling in $4.8 billion, nearly double the worldwide retail sales for PC games. Digital distribution sales approached $2 billion, while advertising revenues from websites, portals, and in-game ads accounted for $800 million.

"Our analysis clearly shows incredible growth in online PC gaming, proof that this industry is far stronger than anyone has reported," said Stude. "Today's consumers shop where they live - online."

blue_hazy_basic

No I seen that too! I agree with online gaming and PC is higher then console at the moment... But....

Eventually consoles will have a huge baseline in that as well, and no one can deny that it's growing especially xbox live...

Each has it's strong points but neither is dominate over the other if you take certain things into consideration...

TC literally owned all the dumb hermits out there. well done man.rgame1

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]

http://kotaku.com/5038833/pc-gaming-a-107-billion-industry

The PC gaming industry pulled in $10.7 billion in 2007, with only 30 percent of that coming from retail sales, the president of the PC Gaming Alliance said today.

Speaking at the Games Convention Developer's Conference in Leipzig, Rand Stude said that online PC gaming was the top revenue earner in 2007 for PCs, pulling in $4.8 billion, nearly double the worldwide retail sales for PC games. Digital distribution sales approached $2 billion, while advertising revenues from websites, portals, and in-game ads accounted for $800 million.

"Our analysis clearly shows incredible growth in online PC gaming, proof that this industry is far stronger than anyone has reported," said Stude. "Today's consumers shop where they live - online."

jasonheyman

No I seen that too! I agree with online gaming and PC is higher then console at the moment... But....

Eventually consoles will have a huge baseline in that as well, and no one can deny that it's growing especially xbox live...

Each has it's strong points but neither is dominate over the other if you take certain things into consideration...

Look at the kinds of games that console can't produce or don't have

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ko1a73VG1U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nzMdPwO2Qw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11tZ8lXUKik

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-x-XXtwpgk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgbUSsblCSQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELhtXtnV3pg

enough said! enough to wipe consoles!!!

I was all ready to finally upgrade my PC again to play the latest games this Xmas, with Mirror's Edge being number one on my purchase list. Then suddenly the news comes that the PC game is going to be delayed untill sometime this winter.

The realisation comes to me that I am going to be upgrading my PC for a game designed first for consoles, that is now delayed and will likely be full of annoying DRM.

And I ask myself what's the point?

For a little better visuals and the chance of some descent mods is it worth it?

I now have preordered mirror's edge, fallout 3 and Left4dead for my 360 instead. And upgrading has been put on hold.

I will probably upgrade eventually, when one of the (now rarer and rarer) real PC games comes out, Diablo 3, Dawn of War2 maybe. But once apon a time PC gaming where was I looked first.

I was all ready to finally upgrade my PC again to play the latest games this Xmas, with Mirror's Edge being number one on my purchase list. Then suddenly the news comes that the PC game is going to be delayed untill sometime this winter.

The realisation comes to me that I am going to be upgrading my PC for a game designed first for consoles, that is now delayed and will likely be full of annoying DRM.

And I ask myself what's the point?

For a little better visuals and the chance of some descent mods is it worth it?

I now have preordered mirror's edge, fallout 3 and Left4dead for my 360 instead. And upgrading has been put on hold.

I will probably upgrade eventually, when one of the (now rarer and rarer) real PC games comes out, Diablo 3, Dawn of War2 maybe. But once apon a time PC gaming where was I looked first.

cakeorrdeath

the best always comes last. enough said! It gives more time to the game devs to perfect their game for pc gamers.

Games devs know that pc gamers have high standards, not CHEAP LIKE CONSOLES.

low qauility games just doesn't sell well for pc game industrys.

I will probably upgrade eventually, when one of the (now rarer and rarer) real PC games comes out, Diablo 3, Dawn of War2 maybe. But once apon a time PC gaming where was I looked first.

cakeorrdeath

[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"]

I will probably upgrade eventually, when one of the (now rarer and rarer) real PC games comes out, Diablo 3, Dawn of War2 maybe. But once apon a time PC gaming where was I looked first.

blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"]

I will probably upgrade eventually, when one of the (now rarer and rarer) real PC games comes out, Diablo 3, Dawn of War2 maybe. But once apon a time PC gaming where was I looked first.

blue_hazy_basic

None of those require me to upgrade to play to a high level. :)

I still play on PC regularly, just not many of the really big "landmark" realeses anymore.

I will give you an exmaple you know super man game! all of them were made for consoles by console game devs. Lets say if dc was smart and wanted to really sell a game. They would go to pc game devs such as Blizzard,anet,bi-ware,id software. I bet that superman would rock. Now what if that superman game was maxed out on the pc! everyone would want to play the superman maxed out on the pc for sure!!!

It would sell mills and superman would lose it bad repuation

look at spiderman on pc it does very well!

Look at the kinds of games that console can't produce or don't have

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ko1a73VG1U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nzMdPwO2Qw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11tZ8lXUKik

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-x-XXtwpgk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgbUSsblCSQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELhtXtnV3pg

enough said! enough to wipe consoles!!!

blackdreamhunk

And yes my good gosh post is to you! Both posts are a rant. PC's will not wipe out consoles ever for that matter

Your lack of reading comprehension is appalling. :|

Hexagon_777

Oh really :roll: I don't think so

[QUOTE="thesmiter"]where is your chart? i'm going off of experience. most of the people i know do not have computers that can play the more advanced games like crysis.Vandalvideo

and game sales for the pc would indicate that most othe people don't. you may have one, but your market is statistically much smaller.

look at the sales of the games. and since when does a graphics card make an entire pc a high-end pc? i am not a computer expert, but aren't there a lot more parts to a computer, and can't things like the processor and ram run pretty expensive as well?

either way, read my other posts, i explain why it doesn't matter about the size of the pc market: they spend more on services. this isn't a bad thing. it is just how pc games generate more of their income. WoW is a perfect example.

so, what does it take to be a 'pc gamer?'

play a game on a pc? have a GeForce?

i fit both of those descriptions. my GeForce is garbage. i play medieval total war with it, and i run it at lowest settings, and guess what, it still runs slow.

yet you count this as a victory, ZOMG TEH WORLD HAS INFINITE GEFORCE!!!111!!!11! so all of them are high end? all 189 million of those are for high end pcs?

and what does it take to be an online pc gamer? play some cheap $5 downloadable game online against others? play 'my hp games' online? they cost money for the full versions, they can be played online. you don't state anywhere what is meant my 'pc gamer.'

the fact is, according to these charts, console sofware generates more this year. explain that if there are 500 trillion billion infinity squared people playing real, this gen games on pc.

and is all that money that blizzard makes from WoW really all for maintenance? if it is, its a wasted of time. they've made sooo much off of that game. mmorpg are a great way for pc games to continue to make money, even if they don't sell a lot. and WoW sold a lot anyway.

and, can you please explain to me, why consoles sell at all if there are 189 million high end pcs out there? how are there any?

target market! my original argument! there are obviously enough casual gamers to still want to buy consoles! otherwise, there wouldn't be any consoles. yet, they exist, and they will continue to exist. there will always be a market for both consoles and pc, so please stop hating on me, hermit.

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]

Look at the kinds of games that console can't produce or don't have

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ko1a73VG1U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nzMdPwO2Qw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11tZ8lXUKik

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-x-XXtwpgk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgbUSsblCSQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELhtXtnV3pg

enough said! enough to wipe consoles!!!

jasonheyman

And yes my good gosh post is to you! Both posts are a rant. PC's will not wipe out consoles ever for that matter

marvel allinace my personal favrite super hero game

check out what all the console players miss out on

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xOR0XVuufo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN-lHofiGTo&feature=related

oh yea lets talk about the mods shall we

marvel allinace my personal favrite super hero game

check out what all the console players miss out on

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xOR0XVuufo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN-lHofiGTo&feature=related

blackdreamhunk

Look, I'm not denying PC can put out the graphics! But I don't want to pay for it and if you take all the console hardware and software sold a lot of other peeps feel the same way.

PC's aren't going anywhere, but they sure don't "own" the consoles.... For sure.....

so, what does it take to be a 'pc gamer?' play a game on a pc? have a GeForce?i fit both of those descriptions. my GeForce is garbage. i play medieval total war with it, and i run it at lowest settings, and guess what, it still runs slow.thesmiter

yet you count this as a victory, ZOMG TEH WORLD HAS INFINITE GEFORCE!!!111!!!11! so all of them are high end? all 189 million of those are for high end pcs?

and what does it take to be an online pc gamer? play some cheap $5 downloadable game online against others? play 'my hp games' online? they cost money for the full versions, they can be played online. you don't state anywhere what is meant my 'pc gamer.'

the fact is, according to these charts, console sofware generates more this year. explain that if there are 500 trillion billion infinity squared people playing real, this gen games on pc.

and is all that money that blizzard makes from WoW really all for maintenance? if it is, its a wasted of time. they've made sooo much off of that game. mmorpg are a great way for pc games to continue to make money, even if they don't sell a lot. and WoW sold a lot anyway.

and, can you please explain to me, why consoles sell at all if there are 189 million high end pcs out there? how are there any?

target market! my original argument! there are obviously enough casual gamers to still want to buy consoles! otherwise, there wouldn't be any consoles. yet, they exist, and they will continue to exist. there will always be a market for both consoles and pc, so please stop hating on me, hermit.

[QUOTE="EVOLV3"]So 1 year represents all PC games?nVidiaGaMer

You could put all console games together as well.

Pathetic,you are comparing CONSOLES (ps3,x360,wii,ps2,nes,snes,n64,segadreamcast etc.) (all years) vs pc? :roll:

Pc owns,gg gl hf

I always felt that PC games don't have the heart and soul console games have. IDK its hard to explain.Zero5000X

there is gamers who have been playing games like guild wars for more that 4 years with 10000 hours played on it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMl6R6YsBao

I always felt that PC games don't have the heart and soul console games have. IDK its hard to explain.Zero5000X

for multiplats, i agree. i'm not computer literate, so i also hate having to put up with the errors and othe bullcrap that happens when playing on the computer. good old crash to desktop, fatal error stuff.

i don't care what hermits say, consoles are good. they appeal to people who aren't computer literate or hardcore enough to pay for upgrades. i am one of those people. maybe when i have my degree, and can afford a house, and other necessities, i'll put extra money towards a great pc.

but not now...

[QUOTE="Zero5000X"]I always felt that PC games don't have the heart and soul console games have. IDK its hard to explain.blackdreamhunk

there is gamers who have been playing games like guild wars for more that 4 years with 10000 hours played on it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMl6R6YsBao

just his feelings. don't get all bent out of shape, there, mister hermit.

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="devious742"]same here...next time go by gamespot..since this is gamespot btw :?naval

This is GameSpot and we discuss the videogaming industry here. GameRankings is part of this industry. If you don't like it, get off GameSpot. It's that easy.

so if you use gamespot score instead of some other site's score, you should get off gamespot :lol: great logic

Your lack of reading comprehension is appalling. :|

Oh really :roll: I don't think so

Well, I do. ;)

Let's look at the facts:

You assumed that because of what I said, if someone uses a GameSpot score instead of a score from another site, they should get off GameSpot. That, however, is not what I said. I simply implied that only using GameSpot is retarded because we discuss the videogame industry here, of which GameRankings is a part of.

It's that simple. Reading comprehension FTW! :lol:

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]

[QUOTE="Zero5000X"]I always felt that PC games don't have the heart and soul console games have. IDK its hard to explain.thesmiter

there is gamers who have been playing games like guild wars for more that 4 years with 10000 hours played on it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMl6R6YsBao

just his feelings. don't get all bent out of shape, there, mister hermit.

In our guild we gives out in game gifts to each other each year at christmas!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DOYuktGGe0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gnbZSlnPl8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEW2mo1LnZk

guild wars even have has racing events

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=belm7RABHHk

all in one game, tell me you that in a console game!!!!

I meant more along the lines of the "feeling" of playing not the time put in. Heck I put more time into WoW than any other game. I feel like PC games are just computer programs that i get enjoyment from whereas console games are actual "games." Like i said its hard to explain. IDk maybe it just has to do with the fact that consoles are meant for games.Zero5000X

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URb8uh51DDs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlYCCIb6180

vandalvideo, what accounts for the other 70% of software sales? consoles and handhelds, correct? the pc is the biggest singular platform. but the consoles are systems developed specifically for gaming. they fall into the category of 'console.' it counts as one big category. they all appeal to roughly the same casual target market. expensive pcs appeal to the more hardcore target market.

and, therefore, consoles as a whole do indeed outsell pc. why are consoles put together? they are all systems with the singular funtion of gaming. pcs aren't. so consoles are all put together when compared to the pc.

there are different kinds of pc, but all pcs are counted together. they are different inside, but they all play the same games. they are counted together.

pc is the largest platform, but consoles, acting as their own financial entity, defeat it in gaming sales.

I meant more along the lines of the "feeling" of playing not the time put in. Heck I put more time into WoW than any other game. I feel like PC games are just computer programs that i get enjoyment from whereas console games are actual "games." Like i said its hard to explain. IDk maybe it just has to do with the fact that consoles are meant for games.Zero5000X

Well, I do. ;)

Let's look at the facts:

You assumed that because of what I said, if someone uses a GameSpot score instead of a score from another site, they should get off GameSpot. That, however, is not what I said. I simply implied that only using GameSpot is retarded because we discuss the videogame industry here, of which GameRankings is a part of.

It's that simple. Reading comprehension FTW! :lol:

Hexagon_777

:lol: lets analyze the socalled facts

let's say if there some discrepancy between GS and gamerankings results (which was there in the wrong way TC used Gameankings here), what should be considered then - Gamespot or Gamerankings ? Since we are on GS,we should be preferring GS, right ? But according to you even if contradicts GS ratings, anybody not agreeing with Gamerankings socre should get off GS.So you as I said before nice logic there:roll: