Splinter Cell vs Metal Gear Solid?

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="idontbeliveit"] there was a codec conversation everytime you defeated a B&B. taking that into account, you should know theres well over 15 conversations. if cutscenes should stop storytelling, then what would be the point of them? they would just be useless features in the game that add nothing whatsoever.

idontbeliveit

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="idontbeliveit"] there was a codec conversation everytime you defeated a B&B. taking that into account, you should know theres well over 15 conversations. if cutscenes should stop storytelling, then what would be the point of them? they would just be useless features in the game that add nothing whatsoever.

Catpee

In your opinion. But I like them, and so do millions of other gamers that love MGS. If you like SnoozerCell with it's zero story and zero replayability, then by all means play it and enjoy.

I wouldn't go as far as to say that Splinter Cell is a bad franchise, but for some reason I personally have never liked it. I played Chaos Theory and Double Agent and neither one of them were able to hold my attention. The gameplay feels like it takes itself too seriously and the stories were really nothing special. In my opinion, the only thing the Splinter Cell series had going for it would be the graphics. As for the Metal Gear series, I have always loved the gameplay and storytelling in each (except MGS4's). MGS can deliver entertainment and convey a powerful, moving story that makes you feel emotionally attached to the character (again, with the exception of MGS4) without taking itself completely seriously. Each MGS game has an either an emotional or entertaining moment that I can remember... I honestly can't say I remember much from Splinter Cell except that I spent most of the time hiding in shadows.

P.S. To the guy that said Sam Fisher kick Snake's(either one) ass: get real :P In a fair, no weapons one on one scenario, Snake would definitely destroy Sam :P

CyberRuler

Yeah, I remember the first SC, but honestly, I can't remember Pandora Tomorrow, I only got about 2 missions into Chaos Theory, and I didn't bother with Double Agent after playing it for around 10 minutes. It just seems to be updating itself graphically but the stories aren't memorable at all so they all just sort of meld together and the game-play has stagnated.

I wouldn't go as far as to say that Splinter Cell is a bad franchise, but for some reason I personally have never liked it. I played Chaos Theory and Double Agent and neither one of them were able to hold my attention. The gameplay feels like it takes itself too seriously and the stories were really nothing special. In my opinion, the only thing the Splinter Cell series had going for it would be the graphics. As for the Metal Gear series, I have always loved the gameplay and storytelling in each (except MGS4's). MGS can deliver entertainment and convey a powerful, moving story that makes you feel emotionally attached to the character (again, with the exception of MGS4) without taking itself completely seriously. Each MGS game has an either an emotional or entertaining moment that I can remember... I honestly can't say I remember much from Splinter Cell except that I spent most of the time hiding in shadows.

P.S. To the guy that said Sam Fisher kick Snake's(either one) ass: get real :P In a fair, no weapons one on one scenario, Snake would definitely destroy Sam :P

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]Splinter Cell for gameplay, MGS for graphics, neither for story. Stories in both of them aren't special at all.superapo

If you're into anime. If not it's laughable.

i like mgs because splinter cell just wasnt for me

[QUOTE="idontbeliveit"][QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"] No, the cut scenes shouldn't be there AT ALL.AAllxxjjnn

[QUOTE="idontbeliveit"][QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"] I already told you why MGS gets picked on. Halo, Gears, and Final Fantasy are RARELY compared to other mediums, while MGS is said to up there with the best movies in the story department. It relies solely on cut scenes to deliver it's narrative. Go ahead and compare those to movies, even though Halo and Gears also rely on in-game narrative for most of the game rather than using cutscenes ranging upwards of 20 minutes as their main source of story telling. Cut scenes are overrated and out-dated in this medium. Many developers are straying away from them. GOTY awards don't really matter since gaming journalism is a complete joke.

AAllxxjjnn

[QUOTE="superapo"][QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]Splinter Cell for gameplay, MGS for graphics, neither for story. Stories in both of them aren't special at all.Brendissimo35

If you're into anime. If not it's laughable.

Wrong.

I hate anime and I think it's awesome.

Ha!, SC better story than MGS?? i don't even remember how it was, and i have played the entire franchise to many times...

MGS story is epic

SC on the other hand is all about gameplay... thats the only thing that does better than MGS....

but anyway Thief wins over the tree so Thief >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rest

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="idontbeliveit"] MGS4 doesnt solely rely on cutscenes for explanation of the narrative, they also vastly use the codec conversations to give further explanations. besides, Metal Gear is known for its extensively long cutscenes, its nothing new, its part of what the series is.seannn199

I've never played Splinter Cell, but I'll take everyone's word for it and say its stealth is better, though MGS' isn't bad.

From the tiny bit of splinter cell i played i give the gameplay to it by a bit, graphics im going with a tie haven't played the new SC so i can't tell,and story i gotta give it to MGS am i the only one who doesn't find it convulted like it's not really hard to understand.

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[QUOTE="superapo"] are you joking? mgs has one of the best stories in video game historyCatpee

If you're into anime. If not it's laughable.

Wrong.

I hate anime and I think it's awesome.

So you must be able to tolerate the long white, effeminate hair on men, and the ridiculous level of undress on women without bursting into laughter. And of course there's the silly, never ending, convoluted line of heroes and villains who are all indirectly engineered from the same guy. The whole concept is just silly, like something out of 80's japanese sci fi gone horribly wrong.

how did splinter cell get so big.......just because 360 doesnt have much else coming up doesnt make this game huge.....Supa__Mario

Splinter Cell for gameplay, MGS for graphics, neither for story. Stories in both of them aren't special at all.pyromaniac223

Graphics: They both look equally good.

Gameplay: MGS stealth gameplay is good, SC is better.

Story: MGS easily.

Splinter Cell looks like it will be a great game. I love the art style. There has never been anything I liked about MGS.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="idontbeliveit"] MGS4 doesnt solely rely on cutscenes for explanation of the narrative, they also vastly use the codec conversations to give further explanations. besides, Metal Gear is known for its extensively long cutscenes, its nothing new, its part of what the series is.seannn199

People complain about the cutscenes because MGS relies on them to be a complete, fleshed-out experience. I'm not saying that it doesn't have good gameplay, but if not for the cutscenes, it would fall flat.

Although I enjoy Metal Gear Solid more than the Splinter Cell series (though Conviction looks amazing), Kojima needs to stop the self-indulgence and learn to tell an economic story in which cutscenes are minimized and gameplay is maximized. There's no reason for the game to reply on cutscenes so heavily.

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[QUOTE="idontbeliveit"] so are you saying that you dont like games with cutscenes? because if thats the case then i can imagine you not liking a huge number of games.idontbeliveit

Many of MGS's cutscenes are entertaining, but there's no way that cutscenes are involving. In fact, they get flak precisely because they are an uninvolving peice of what is supposed to be an interactive experience.

SC being the better stealth game (emphasis on "stealth").... mgs feels like an action adventure game with some minor stealth elements sprinkled in in compariosn to SC

(agian the focus here is stealth gameplay)

but overall, all things considered, i like the mgs series more. i'm no fanboy so i can acknowledge the fact that mgs cant hold a candle to how SC handles stealth (no fanboy goggles ftw)

MGS hands down. Snake would pwn that stupid Fish boy.

[QUOTE="idontbeliveit"]

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"] Actually i never said i don't like games with cutscenes. I deal with them. I said cutscenes are outdated. And a number of games are evolving and beginning to not use cutscenes, they're taking a more innovative approach to story telling in games.

Many of MGS's cutscenes are entertaining, but there's no way that cutscenes are involving. In fact, they get flak precisely because they are an uninvolving peice of what is supposed to be an interactive experience.

I'm not a huge fan of stealth games in general but I really am interested in this new story telling mechanic they are doing with the new SC - having cutscenes, clues etc. painted and running into the background...very interesting style. It also seems to be an interesting way of keeping the story and the game moving without cutting to a non user controlled movie sequence.

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]Splinter Cell for gameplay, MGS for graphics, neither for story. Stories in both of them aren't special at all.Supa__Mario

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[QUOTE="Brendissimo35"]

If you're into anime. If not it's laughable.

Brendissimo35

Wrong.

I hate anime and I think it's awesome.

So you must be able to tolerate the long white, effeminate hair on men, and the ridiculous level of undress on women without bursting into laughter. And of course there's the silly, never ending, convoluted line of heroes and villains who are all indirectly engineered from the same guy. The whole concept is just silly, like something out of 80's japanese sci fi gone horribly wrong.

I can appreciate why people love Metal Gear's story and stylings. But it's just not for me. The characters and storytelling have too much of an anime sensibility for me to get into.

I enjoy Splinter Cell's more realistic take on stealth, as well it's more western-centric story.

I can't believe all the fanboy denial in this thread. The Metal Gear saga fathered the entire genre and is still the best at it. Splinter Cell's gameplay is terrible!Nephilim83

MGS has always been more action than stealth.

And quite frankly neither have been 'the best stealth games'.

Because the reality is.

THIEF >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Both as far as stealth games go.

Oh and Commandos is also one of the best, and underrated stealth titles.

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Oh but what is a better series of the two?

Metal Gear Solid, of course.

I can't believe all the fanboy denial in this thread. The Metal Gear saga fathered the entire genre and is still the best at it. Splinter Cell's gameplay is terrible!Nephilim83

Castle Wolfenstein was the first, years before.

And other titles evolved it further, beyond MG/MGSs rather... limited mechanics (its core design is still very true to its origins)

And no its not the best at stealth gameplay - hell MGS4s stealth game design had more flaws than its predecessors due to a shift in design.

As great as the series is - and I am quite a fan of it - its certainly not the strongest stealth series... but one of the great gaming series.

I don't think anyone has mentioned multiplayer yet. Splinter Cell outclasses Metal Gear when it comes to multiplayer, almost by default.

I mean MGS mastered many staples in the stealth genre.Javy03

[QUOTE="Javy03"]I mean MGS mastered many staples in the stealth genre.skrat_01

I think you misread his post. He meant to say:

How dare anyone even entertain idea that any series can hold a candle to Metal Gear. No one should be allowed to argue otherwise. *stick fingers in ears* Lalalalalalalalalala

[QUOTE="Javy03"]I mean MGS mastered many staples in the stealth genre.skrat_01

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Javy03"]I mean MGS mastered many staples in the stealth genre.VoodooHak

I think you misread his post. He meant to say:

How dare anyone even entertain idea that any series can hold a candle to Metal Gear. No one should be allowed to argue otherwise. *stick fingers in ears* Lalalalalalalalalala

i think splinter cell is aperfect game .metal gear has some fiction in it

MGS series = EPIC.