Splinter Cell vs Metal Gear Solid?

I agree with this totally. A lot of people try to say MGS is more action than stealth, but it really depends on how you play. Honestly, I like going all out stealth on one play through and run and gun on the next. Its a nice option to have. There's one thing MGS wins at for sure: Replay value. :PNephilim83

No. SC has superior multiplayer with both cooperative and adversarial play with mechanics directly related to stealth.

I like SC, cause i love realism stealth games.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Javy03"]I mean MGS mastered many staples in the stealth genre.Nephilim83

[QUOTE="Javy03"]I mean MGS mastered many staples in the stealth genre.skrat_01

Act 3 in MGS4 is pure stealth. The stealth mechanics truly shine there with the Octocamo suit, crawling, rolling, and slivering in the dark European streets. It may not be super realistic, but MGS4 provided a unique type of stealth and allowed you to do whatever you want whenever basically.TREAL_Since

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"] Act 3 in MGS4 is pure stealth. The stealth mechanics truly shine there with the Octocamo suit, crawling, rolling, and slivering in the dark European streets. It may not be super realistic, but MGS4 provided a unique type of stealth and allowed you to do whatever you want whenever basically.Stevo_the_gamer

- Actually there were more opportunities for stealth in MGS4 than all out action. Some people even complained that theey wish there was more action like in Act 2 South America. The great thing about EVERY action segement in MGS4 is that you had the option to not fight at all and take a total stealth approach with multiple pathways to boot (save for the mansion area in South America and vehicle segments which were impossible to play go stealth).

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Javy03"]I mean MGS mastered many staples in the stealth genre.VoodooHak

I think you misread his post. He meant to say:

How dare anyone even entertain idea that any series can hold a candle to Metal Gear. No one should be allowed to argue otherwise. *stick fingers in ears* Lalalalalalalalalala

please dont compare MGS to splinter cell. Yeah maybe SC is more realistic but MGS series is the better game overall.

but MGS series is the better game overall.

___gamemaster__

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[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Heck no it hasn't. From a purely stealth design perspective it completely lacks the complexity and depth of other stealth titles.Javy03

I think you misread his post. He meant to say:

How dare anyone even entertain idea that any series can hold a candle to Metal Gear. No one should be allowed to argue otherwise. *stick fingers in ears* Lalalalalalalalalala

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Heck no it hasn't. From a purely stealth design perspective it completely lacks the complexity and depth of other stealth titles.Nephilim83

I think you misread his post. He meant to say:

How dare anyone even entertain idea that any series can hold a candle to Metal Gear. No one should be allowed to argue otherwise. *stick fingers in ears* Lalalalalalalalalala

Oh come on. It's all in good fun.

And really, the only real thing Metal Gear advanced is the cinematic style of presentation. In that regard, MG will find very few, if any, rivals. But that's where my appreciation of the series ends.

There are better stealth games out there. Splinter Cell being one of them in my opinion. Thief is another. Hitman isn't too far off either.

[QUOTE="___gamemaster__"]but MGS series is the better game overall.

Stevo_the_gamer

oh? care to prove me wrong? i doubt you didnt even play MGS4.

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Heck no it hasn't. From a purely stealth design perspective it completely lacks the complexity and depth of other stealth titles.Javy03

I think you misread his post. He meant to say:

How dare anyone even entertain idea that any series can hold a candle to Metal Gear. No one should be allowed to argue otherwise. *stick fingers in ears* Lalalalalalalalalala

To be clear, I meant it the way it sounded: purely in jest.

oh? care to prove me wrong? i doubt you didnt even play MGS4.

___gamemaster__

Opinion =/= Fact

[QUOTE="___gamemaster__"]oh? care to prove me wrong? i doubt you didnt even play MGS4.

Stevo_the_gamer

Opinion =/= Fact

well im waiting for you to prove splinter cell is better than MGS ? im stating facts here MGS series is better score wise and sales wise.

Best stealth game? I guess you could say Splinter Cell Best game? For me it's MGS ----------------------------- SC is straight up stealth (the former games at least). It looks like Conviction is taking the MGS4 route to offer stealth and action at any given point. I'm eager to see how the "execution" feature will play out. It looks very fun and should provide some dynamic gameplay. At the same time I'm disappointed Ubi decided to show off action sequences more than stealth. The series was based on stealth up until now. I have full faith it will be balanced though.TREAL_Since

Splinter Cell murders MGS when it comes to stealth.....MGS is a good action game with cool cutscenes

well im waiting care to prove splinter cell is better than MGS ? im stating facts here MGS series is better score wise and sales wise.

___gamemaster__

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="___gamemaster__"]oh? care to prove me wrong? i doubt you didnt even play MGS4.

___gamemaster__

Opinion =/= Fact

well im waiting for you to prove splinter cell is better than MGS ? im stating facts here MGS series is better score wise and sales wise.

scores dont matter, MGS and SC are suppose to be stealth games and that is where SC murders MGS. yes ive played MGS4 and SCCT is my fav game of all time

While I find SC a nice stealth game it lacks variety and all the uniqueness in MGS games.

[QUOTE="___gamemaster__"]well im waiting care to prove splinter cell is better than MGS ? im stating facts here MGS series is better score wise and sales wise.

Stevo_the_gamer

Anyone who says that hasn't thoroughly played an MGS game then. MGS is one of the games with more varied gameplay options out there.Dystopian-X

[QUOTE="___gamemaster__"]well im waiting care to prove splinter cell is better than MGS ? im stating facts here MGS series is better score wise and sales wise.

Stevo_the_gamer

After playing both MGO and Splinter Cell MP I can say that they offer REALLY different things. Things that each other "will never achieve", simply becasue of the design. MGS fans overlook Splinter Cell MP whihc is great, and MANY people overlook MGO which could literally stand alone as it's own game (which it does).

[QUOTE="___gamemaster__"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]*facepalm*

Opinion =/= Fact

sikanderahmed

well im waiting for you to prove splinter cell is better than MGS ? im stating facts here MGS series is better score wise and sales wise.

scores dont matter, MGS and SC are suppose to be stealth games and that is where SC murders MGS. yes ive played MGS4 and SCCT is my fav game of all time

and now score doesnt matter anymore? being more stealthy doesnt mean its much better game isnt? MGS is much better game OVERALL than SC and thats where MGS murders SC. see what i did there?

[QUOTE="Dystopian-X"]Anyone who says that hasn't thoroughly played an MGS game then. MGS is one of the games with more varied gameplay options out there.IronBass

Also why must some of you always bring the subjective factor when I didin't even mention anything subjective? I said MGS games have a more varied gameplay options and I can prove and name them all against SC.

Also why must some of you always bring the subjective factor when I didin't even mention anything subjective? Dystopian-X

Yes, yes you did:

I'm sure I could waste my time explaining to you why Splinter Cell does things better than MGS, and also has features and mutiplayer options that MGS will never come close to achieve, but in the end, it'd just be my opinion. Stevo_the_gamer

Anyone who says that hasn't thoroughly played an MGS game then.Dystopian-X

and now score doesnt matter anymore? being more stealthy doesnt mean its much better game isnt? MGS is much better game OVERALL than SC and thats where MGS murders SC. see what i did there?

___gamemaster__

thx for your opinion, but IMHO SC is overall better not only in stealth but in everything else too, the only thing SC lacks is retarded story like MGS. Also SCCT is the greatest game ever made IMHO. Splinter Cell Double Agent is the best stealth game this gen (that is until SC Convictin comes out)

Yes, yes you did:

IronBass

Yup, way to edit out the following sentence: MGS is one of the games with more varied gameplay options out there.

Which was my reply to his:

I could waste my time explaining to you why Splinter Cell does things better than MGS, and also has features and mutiplayer options that MGS will never come close to achieve

Which is wrong if we were to put MGS gameplay feature options against SC.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="___gamemaster__"]well im waiting care to prove splinter cell is better than MGS ? im stating facts here MGS series is better score wise and sales wise.

TREAL_Since

After playing both MGO and Splinter Cell MP I can say that they offer REALLY different things. Things that each other "will never achieve", simply becasue of the design. MGS fans overlook Splinter Cell MP whihc is great, and MANY people overlook MGO which could literally stand alone as it's own game (which it does).

Which is wrong if we were to put MGS gameplay feature options against SC.Dystopian-X

"Splinter Cell does things better than MGS, and also has features and mutiplayer options that MGS will never come close to achieve".

A lot of subjectivity there.

AS SOMEONE who actually plays the hell out of GAMES (Check SIGS), and as someone who OWNS every single console version of Metal Gear Solid and Splinter Cell, let me tell you what I found out.

Once you played a Splinter Cell, you've played them all.

The only hope the latest Splinter Cell has is the VARIETY the devs are trying to achieve, which is funny, because that's what MGS is all about, ESPECIALLY MGS4.

Not much to say, they are both good games, but MGS as a series has a pretty untouchable record, whereas SC is spotty, mostly due to the latest SC.

I have SC reserved, but I have a feeling what I do in the first 3 levels won't be much different than the rest of the game, STAY TUNED to find out. My Gamerscore (93,500+, yes 93K...) will undoubtable prove my words though.

[QUOTE="IronBass"]

Yes, yes you did:

Dystopian-X

Yup, way to edit out the following sentence: MGS is one of the games with more varied gameplay options out there.

Which was my reply to his:

I could waste my time explaining to you why Splinter Cell does things better than MGS, and also has features and mutiplayer options that MGS will never come close to achieve

Which is wrong if we were to put MGS gameplay feature options against SC.

what features? portable barrels and boxes? ability to carry gazillion weapons? ability to buy ammo where ever you want? this isnt stealth yo

[QUOTE="Dystopian-X"]Which is wrong if we were to put MGS gameplay feature options against SC.IronBass

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]I'm sure I could waste my time explaining to you why Splinter Cell does things better than MGS, and also has features and mutiplayer options that MGS will never come close to achieve, but in the end, it'd just be my opinion. An opinion which you won't even take notice to in the end, and no matter how well I provide the basis and conclusion on the difference between the two games -- you're belief will hold firm. And in that regard, I won't waste my time conveying my views.

Episode_Eve

After playing both MGO and Splinter Cell MP I can say that they offer REALLY different things. Things that each other "will never achieve", simply becasue of the design. MGS fans overlook Splinter Cell MP whihc is great, and MANY people overlook MGO which could literally stand alone as it's own game (which it does).

puts on MGS fanboy cap* Actually, using logic that has been used in this thread -- all that is objective. Opinions = fact, Iron. Didn't you get the memo? 8)Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Dystopian-X"]Which is wrong if we were to put MGS gameplay feature options against SC.Stevo_the_gamer

I hate Anime and everything it influences. Therefore, a large part of MGS gets on my nerves. Yes, I play the games because they're fun but I enjoy the game play of Splinter Cell infinitely better.

All you Anime/MGS fanboys in this thread go ahead and flame me. I'll only sit back and laugh :D

I hate Anime and everything it influences. Therefore, a large part of MGS gets on my nerves. Yes, I play the games because they're fun but I enjoy the game play of Splinter Cell infinitely better.

All you Anime/MGS fanboys in this thread go ahead and flame me. I'll only sit back and laugh :D

DeckardLee

I hate Anime and everything it influences.

DeckardLee

Well, I liked Transformers, Ninja Turtles, and Matrix to name a few, and plenty of other things influenced by anime. To each his own, I guess.
Metal Gear has a lot more in common with American Cinema and American Culture than Anime though, honestly.

When it comes to stealth games, I'm a bit of a purist. If there's little penalty to getting caught, then the game loses some of it's appeal for me. In that respect, Splinter Cell does a much better job.

I like that Splinter Cell limits weapons to a modular rifle with ammo gears primarily toward stealth. Air foils, chaff, various vision enhancements, gas, sticky cams, sticky shocker, EMP gun... and the fact that they are compact enough for all of it to fit on Sam's body. The idea that I can carry multiple rifles, explosives, including a rocket launcher without any penalty to stealth kinda takes me out of the game. So does that idea that I can change the camo on my suit and my face as quickly as I can manipulate the menus, again, takes me out of the experience.

I also prefer SC's use of shadows and light to his advantage. Move for move, Sam gives me a much better feelling of being a ninja or master thief.

Then there's the aesthetic itself. MG's anime vibe is totally lost on me.

I don't begrudge anyone's preference of Metal Gear. Splinter Cell is just the purer stealth game in my eyes.

[QUOTE="DeckardLee"]

I hate Anime and everything it influences. Therefore, a large part of MGS gets on my nerves. Yes, I play the games because they're fun but I enjoy the game play of Splinter Cell infinitely better.

All you Anime/MGS fanboys in this thread go ahead and flame me. I'll only sit back and laugh :D

LeGoofyGoober

When he refers to anime, I think he's talking about the over-the-top boss battles the heavy handed, almost preachy, dialogue that sometimes seems out of place in a particular situation. The effeminite-looking mail villains. You see all of these in many Japanese games... almost to the point of being feature archetypes.

Metal gear series for me, Splinter Cell takes itself too serious its not even funny, so slow gameplay wise slower than Metal gear, it has the habit of trial and error while Metal gear doesn't have, you could proceed to your missions in alot of different ways.

Gameplay, metal gear, like I said there are alot of ways to approach the missions, faster paced than SC's gameplay, alot of great and innovative futuristic gadgets, alot of creative ideas like getting the frequency of one of snake's comrades from the back of the game's box was an awesome thing to do, switching controllers to kill bosses,the boss battles, who doesn't like boss battles?

I mean I grew up gaming fighting bosses from the nes, snes era to this day, it gives a better experience and impact for the game because the player will remember those boss battles and those enemies you fought making the game more memorable.

Graphics, Metal gear, I don't think SC fans praise it for its graphics, even Conviction doesn't look that good for current gen 09 standards, it looks like a 05-06 game, on the other hand, Metal Gear always pioneered in the graphics department.

On the other hand, graphically and technically wise, I don't remember playing a MGS game with glitches, framerate issues or bugs even in this generation the only bug free game I've played thie gen is MGS, no patches no nothing, you play the game from start to finish smoothly.

Story its so obvious, MGS series are story driven games unlike SC, in SC the player play from mission to mission and don't care about the story and is irrelevant.

SC is good but it is no way near the MGS series.

... even Conviction doesn't look that good for current gen 09 standards, it looks like a 05-06 game...HAZE-Unit

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]... even Conviction doesn't look that good for current gen 09 standards, it looks like a 05-06 game...IronBass

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94OtV6IbKk8&hd=1 Looks better than MGSIV to me...AAllxxjjnn

It was one of the best looking games of this E3, that without a doubt.

Far from looking "like a 05-06 game" >_>

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]... even Conviction doesn't look that good for current gen 09 standards, it looks like a 05-06 game...IronBass

When I saw the demo at the conference I was shocked how the graphics looked good but when I saw the high quality videos it didn't look as good, it looked like a 08-07 game.