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#1 musicalmac  Moderator
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Some potentially major news- http://kotaku.com/342044/square-enix-calls-japanese-core-market-weak
...when it comes to games for core gamers, it's quite weak. Sooner or later core gamers will become impatient, and there'll be a point where 'real' games will resume growth, but it's not happening at the moment. However, for core games, the European and American markets are growing at enormous speed.Yoichi Wada referring to the Japanese market
More focus on the west, you say? Does this mean the 360 is about to get a lot more love from Square Enix? I'm looking at you, FFXIII.
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Ruh-roh, you suggested a high-profile PS3 exclusive going multiplat...

*braces for angry cow stampede*

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This doesn't supprise me at all. The Japanese market is stagnating, where as the american market is thriving and the European market has the biggest potential for Growth.
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Final Fantasy XIII: Star Wars Edition confirmed?
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#5 shiram
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ugh im really tired of those lame jrpg's, with lame characters looking like teen dream magazine rejects...
come on square! break out of the mold you imposed yourself
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#6 Ragnarok1051
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Didn't SE say this earlier this year?
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#7 aldez17
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Not surprising. Japan is becoming more focused on smaller,friendly games, which RPG's (Squeenix's speciality) are the total opposite of. Although, I do think that Square's insistance on releasing every Final Fantasy under the sun a million times, plus their insance focus on one genre, might have something to do with any lagging success they may be experiencing.

Edit: Although, their releasing of all those FF games has allowed me to play the one's I missed. So I guess it's not all bad.:?

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#8 aerman176
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It was pretty much inevitable,just about every gaming company's main priority is profit, so they wanted to expand their appeal. Take their new IP, The Last Remant, for example. It uses Unreal 3, it's immediately multi-plat, and it's going to have a simultaneous US/Japan release
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I THINK THEY NEED TO START BRINGING OUT SOME GAMES!!!!! other then DS and PSP games that were mainly ports, they havent done nothing this generation.
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Didn't SE say this earlier this year?Ragnarok1051
This is the first I've heard of it.
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GamesIndustry.biz: What brings you to Europe on this trip?

Yoichi Wada: The European market is of course very big as it is, but it has great potential for growth as well. So I would like Square Enix to be stronger in this particular market. One of the purposes of this visit is to get a better grasp of what's going on in this market at the moment, and also to find out about the other main players, and how they're doing.

How do you see the differences between the European and Japanese videogame markets?

It's not very appropriate to talk about Europe as just one block. Each country has different customs and a different culture. The risk for us Japanese is regarding Europe as one big area; that could lead to fatal mistakes.

Each country in Europe can be different in two things. Firstly, cultural background: for example in France, Japanese animation and manga are very popular, therefore they have a cultural background where overtly Japanese character design is highly appreciated.

Secondly, we have to consider their views on technology in general: how the people of a particular country regard networked systems, and if they're prepared to look at it as a means of fun.

Other big Japanese publishers like Sega and Capcom are targeting Western markets very aggressively, acquiring Western studios, signing Western games, even establishing new studios here, such as Sega Racing Studio. Square Enix hasn't made such moves yet. Do you have a similar strategy in mind?

Yes. We would like to develop a strategy to equal the moves made by Sega and Capcom, or maybe exceed them.

How are you planning to adapt and diversify your content for these markets? Will you publish a broader range of games in different genres and art styles?

Square Enix is best known for RPGs of course, but we have our own concept of the worlds we create within our games, and also they tend to be based on good storylines. RPGs tend to be seen as one genre, but it doesn't have to be so. The same kinds of concepts and stories can be expressed in action games, adventure games, even shooters. Our basic attitude to game production is that we take a lot of care, and that attitude can be expressed in any type of game.

Are there other markets beyond the US and Europe that you think it's important for Square Enix to expand in?

Obviously, Asia is a huge market for us. We've already tried some online games in China, and that's going very well. But we do see a necessity to change direction a little bit, and make a fresh start, not just in China but in every country in Asia. Our strategy might be quite different in China compared to the US and EU. The same content would not be appropriate, we think.

What's your analysis of the health of the Japanese games market at present?

It's haphazard growth, if you like. Nintendo has been doing really well, and DS particularly is enjoying a great boom. But when it comes to games for core gamers, it's quite weak. Sooner or later core gamers will become impatient, and there'll be a point where 'real' games will resume growth, but it's not happening at the moment. However, for core games, the European and American markets are growing at enormous speed.

Final Fantasy XI has been quite successful, but it hasn't kept pace with the very fast growth in the MMO market. Do you have plans to pursue this sector further, and challenge the markets of companies like Blizzard and NCSoft?

MMORPG is a big genre, but it can be diversified by different means - one is the game design, the other is the payment system. With FFXI, we intentionally haven't changed the game design or payment since we launched it five years ago. But when it comes to our MMORPG games for the domestic and Asian markets, as an experiment we have tried different formulae on a quite minor scale with smaller titles, such as a per-item payment system. Following that, we have already prepared a few MMORPGs that have been experimentally played internally.

With FFXI, your company was one of the first to try MMO gaming on consoles - PS2 and Xbox 360. Did you feel that was a success? Will consoles become a viable platform for MMOs on the same level as the PC?

In general we regard it as a success. Nowadays, all consoles are network-compatible. When we started the FFXI project, everybody thought it was a big challenge, but now we cannot imagine a console that's not networked. Obviously the PC market is still going strong, but on the console market is even stronger, so in order to seize good market share, I think we have to be on both console and PC.

We've seen a lot of industry consolidation recently - the creation of Activision Blizzard, big acquisitions like EA buying Bioware and Pandemic. How can Square Enix compete with these monsters? Will you have to consider mergers and acquisitions?

M&A is not necessarily our main method, but obviously it has to be deemed as one of the main strategy options. If we were to look for a place in the top three in the global games industry, obviously we would have to consider it seriously.

What was the thinking behind the acquisition of Taito back in 2005?

There were two strategic merits for us; the first one was financial, the other was in terms of making content.

Manufacturing game software is a bit like building a really huge building. It takes a lot of money, and for a year or even more in some cases, you cannot expect any profit. It's the kind of industry where simple physical strength is in demand. Taito, which runs arcades, can get cash flowing in; in that sense it's quite physically strong, and that was beneficial for us.

Secondly, when Square Enix was born as a result of the merger five years ago, we expected that the whole concept of games would change in three ways: input, output, and communication or networking. I think this consciousness must have been shared with Nintendo, because since then they've produced the Wii and the DS. As you know Square Enix does not produce game consoles itself, but if we have arcades, we can experiment in those areas.

Arcades are much more popular in Japan than in the West - do you think physical, social locations for game-playing have any future in Western markets?

We wouldn't write off the possibility, but probably not in the same way that arcades used to be. They used to have this image of being like a gambling venue. But a small section as part of a shopping arcade might work. There's no reason we should be optimistic about the future of arcades, but we still think there's a possibility that people can enjoy playing games 'outdoors' in European and American markets as well.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=31912

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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]Didn't SE say this earlier this year?musicalmac
This is the first I've heard of it.

I think they've mentioned expanding their western market before.

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Didn't SE say this earlier this year?Ragnarok1051
yes
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Well, the USA is the largest gaming market. So it makes perfect financial sense to cater to the USA (and EU too).

Like I've been saying since I got here; 3rd Party Devs are taking notice to the very, very strong 3rd party sales on the x360.

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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]Didn't SE say this earlier this year?flashattackfina
yes

Ok, knew I wasn't totally crazy.

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Enix are destroying Squaresoft
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Didn't SE say this earlier this year?Ragnarok1051

Its only the 8th of January how early do you want :P.

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Enix are destroying SquaresoftVitalife2

Indeed, they were much better when they were going against each other. Just goes to show you that competition is good for us.

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This just means they're going to look at other genres or possibly purchase a game studio or two. It doesn't mean FFXIII is going to the 360.
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This just means they're going to look at other genres or possibly purchase a game studio or two. It doesn't mean FFXIII is going to the 360.Zhengi
thank you zhengi

it wouldn't make sense because the FF series sells more in the East than theWest

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This just means they're going to look at other genres or possibly purchase a game studio or two. It doesn't mean FFXIII is going to the 360.Zhengi
I never claimed that it would. I just believe the possibility of that to be greater at this point than it was previously. You want to focus on Western markets? Why not bring your flagship title to the "Western" console? Regardless, whatever happens, it's going to be a great show. Hopefully we'll see some (more) really high quality JRPGs on the 360. That's what I'm most interested in.
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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]Didn't SE say this earlier this year?musicalmac
This is the first I've heard of it.

they said it before, that they were looking to the west and the 360. Also that they were going to try and havea hand in "all consoles" (this is all memory)
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[QUOTE="Zhengi"]This just means they're going to look at other genres or possibly purchase a game studio or two. It doesn't mean FFXIII is going to the 360.musicalmac
I never claimed that it would. I just believe the possibility of that to be greater at this point than it was previously. You want to focus on Western markets? Why not bring your flagship title to the "Western" console? Regardless, whatever happens, it's going to be a great show. Hopefully we'll see some (more) really high quality JRPGs on the 360. That's what I'm most interested in.[/QUOTE

think about what you such said Shooting games sells more in the west

which FFsell more in the east

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It means there going to be making alot more generic shooters like dirge of cerberus. Which is frankly a bad thing.. I liked them when they where Squaresoft, making a constant flow of different JRPGs(not just FFs), they've completely lost what made them square in the first place but oh well.

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#26 musicalmac  Moderator
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]Didn't SE say this earlier this year?Jandurin
This is the first I've heard of it.

they said it before, that they were looking to the west and the 360. Also that they were going to try and havea hand in "all consoles" (this is all memory)

I vaguely remember something like that, but I don't remember his comments about the Japanese market being "weak", which is why I found this to be interesting in the first place.
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I don't remember his comments about the Japanese market being "weak"musicalmac
True, I don't remember that either.

Though, that's easy enough to see. 2007 was a really poor year in Japan. Not much of anything except Pokemon and DSes were purchased. (and marioparty :P)

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[QUOTE="Zhengi"]This just means they're going to look at other genres or possibly purchase a game studio or two. It doesn't mean FFXIII is going to the 360.musicalmac
I never claimed that it would. I just believe the possibility of that to be greater at this point than it was previously. You want to focus on Western markets? Why not bring your flagship title to the "Western" console? Regardless, whatever happens, it's going to be a great show. Hopefully we'll see some (more) really high quality JRPGs on the 360. That's what I'm most interested in.

They have their games on a Sony platform which sells well in the East and the West. They dont NEED to make their game on the 360 to appeal to the west. What they are referring to is expanding their genres into genres that appeal to westerners like action adventure and shooters.

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[QUOTE="Zhengi"]This just means they're going to look at other genres or possibly purchase a game studio or two. It doesn't mean FFXIII is going to the 360.musicalmac
I never claimed that it would. I just believe the possibility of that to be greater at this point than it was previously. You want to focus on Western markets? Why not bring your flagship title to the "Western" console? Regardless, whatever happens, it's going to be a great show. Hopefully we'll see some (more) really high quality JRPGs on the 360. That's what I'm most interested in.

Umm... maybe because there is already a console in the West in the PS3?

Plus, why would they focus more on the Western market with more JRPGs? That's the same strategy they've been using since the 80s when they were with Nintendo.

No, they're looking to expand out of JRPGs and enter other genres that are growing. They see Sega and Capcom coming out with new Ips like Total War and Dead Rising and doing very well in the Western markets. They want in on the action. This suggests them looking to develop outside of JRPGs and possibly getting studios that can help them make these genres. They're not going to abandon JRPGs since it's their bread and butter, but they want to include more businesses like Taito to diversify the company. That's all it means.

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My guess is they will put a blond spikey wig on Marcus Pheonix and half the battle is done.
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They have their games on a Sony platform which sells well in the East and the West. They dont NEED to make their game on the 360 to appeal to the west. What they are referring to is expanding their genres into genres that appeal to westerners like action adventure and shooters.

Javy03

Umm... maybe because there is already a console in the West in the PS3?

Plus, why would they focus more on the Western market with more JRPGs? That's the same strategy they've been using since the 80s when they were with Nintendo.

No, they're looking to expand out of JRPGs and enter other genres that are growing. They see Sega and Capcom coming out with new Ips like Total War and Dead Rising and doing very well in the Western markets. They want in on the action. This suggests them looking to develop outside of JRPGs and possibly getting studios that can help them make these genres. They're not going to abandon JRPGs since it's their bread and butter, but they want to include more businesses like Taito to diversify the company. That's all it means.

Zhengi
You both seem very sure of your points, and I can respect that. I just don't think you have all the answers, regardless of how confidently you may state them. I am hopeful that this new from SE means more than what you would like to believe, simply because I am an optimistic person. I'm still holding on to hope that FFXIII hits the 360 somehow ;)
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Its a pretty simple reality really. Japan has 130 million people. NA and Western Europe have around 3/4 of a billion people. To keep up Japanese devleopers have to expand their focus.
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They have their games on a Sony platform which sells well in the East and the West. They dont NEED to make their game on the 360 to appeal to the west. What they are referring to is expanding their genres into genres that appeal to westerners like action adventure and shooters.Javy03
A lot more 360s in the west than PS3s.
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Yeah it makes sense. I mean they said the West were getting more advance in gaming technology than in Japan.And besides there are newer and younger eager developers in the West while the developers are much older and maybe less eager in coming out with something fresh in the East. And a company like Square Enix always wants the latest and greatest for their games. Jump in.

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My guess is they will put a blond spikey wig on Marcus Pheonix and half the battle is done.Riverwolf007
But it will play like FF7: Dirge of Curberus. There were times were Square made games that would try to catch the westrn world eye but they never do good and they were some good titles: Parasite Eve 1,2, Driving Emotion Type S, Einhander theres more but I can't think of the titles at the moment.
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[QUOTE="Javy03"] They have their games on a Sony platform which sells well in the East and the West. They dont NEED to make their game on the 360 to appeal to the west. What they are referring to is expanding their genres into genres that appeal to westerners like action adventure and shooters.Jandurin
A lot more 360s in the west than PS3s.

I think this is a factor, but I think there are other factors to consider. For example, will the 360 continue to sell well and does the PS3 have a chance of catching up to it? I think the biggest question mark right now is the announcement of Warner going with Blu-Ray. Just how much will this news affect the PS3?

Plus, in terms of JRPG sales on the 360, those aren't doing as well as other genres. Sales have been mild so this will factor into their strategy as well.

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The easiest read for the article is that Sony wants to abandon FF to a certain extent, focus on new ip's and multiplay stuff. Mix up the genres. I'm not sure where you're getting that FFXIII will go multiplat. It seems as if it's almost the opposite. They want to chomp up more of the market in the west, and not just scrub off their FF franchise alone.

Edit: I don't know if they'll do well outside the RPG genre, but I think their presentation may take a tweaking in new IP's. Their cinematics might edge more towards hollywood, and away from anime. The action sequences might pull away from that ridiculously over the top advent children stuff and move again, more towards hollywood, which focuses less on wild choreography and more on the drama in the action. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking something like Vagrant Story (conceptually and visually, not gameplay wise) would be a nice fit for western audiences.

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Well, it's not very shocking for me. I mean, Japan has pretty much said 'screw you' to anything that doesn't have the Nintendo logo on it...
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Yeah it makes sense. I mean they said the West were getting more advance in gaming technology than in Japan.And besides there are newer and younger eager developers in the West while the developers are much older and maybe less eager in coming out with something fresh in the East. And a company like Square Enix always wants the latest and greatest for their games. Jump in.

ReverseCycology

That's not the problem at all. Do you think an american company would have let a loly hal labs video game developer like Iwata run MS gaming devision?

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For example, will the 360 continue to sell well and does the PS3 have a chance of catching up to it? I think the biggest question mark right now is the announcement of Warner going with Blu-Ray. Just how much will this news affect the PS3?

Plus, in terms of JRPG sales on the 360, those aren't doing as well as other genres. Sales have been mild so this will factor into their strategy as well.Zhengi

I think the 360 will sell at the same rate as last year until they drop the price another 50. I think the PS3 will not catch up to it.

It doesn't matter if more PS3s are bought for BluRay if people are just going to buy like 1 game and 10 movies. Developers look at software sales and then console sales.

True that JRPG sales have been lackluster on the 360. ALL software sales on the PS3 have been lackluster, though.

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[QUOTE="Javy03"]

They have their games on a Sony platform which sells well in the East and the West. They dont NEED to make their game on the 360 to appeal to the west. What they are referring to is expanding their genres into genres that appeal to westerners like action adventure and shooters.

musicalmac

Umm... maybe because there is already a console in the West in the PS3?

Plus, why would they focus more on the Western market with more JRPGs? That's the same strategy they've been using since the 80s when they were with Nintendo.

No, they're looking to expand out of JRPGs and enter other genres that are growing. They see Sega and Capcom coming out with new Ips like Total War and Dead Rising and doing very well in the Western markets. They want in on the action. This suggests them looking to develop outside of JRPGs and possibly getting studios that can help them make these genres. They're not going to abandon JRPGs since it's their bread and butter, but they want to include more businesses like Taito to diversify the company. That's all it means.

Zhengi

You both seem very sure of your points, and I can respect that. I just don't think you have all the answers, regardless of how confidently you may state them. I am hopeful that this new from SE means more than what you would like to believe, simply because I am an optimistic person. I'm still holding on to hope that FFXIII hits the 360 somehow ;)

LOL...I think "hope" is the key word in your statement.I know you want Square enix to support the 360 with its big hitters but the fact is the lack of the 360's diversity in its fanbase is why its not being embraced. If you are a true gamer you should be hoping for new genresand IPsrather then hoping and praying for another games exclusives. If you really want those games maybe you should just consider...gasp...getting a PS3.

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[QUOTE="Javy03"] They have their games on a Sony platform which sells well in the East and the West. They dont NEED to make their game on the 360 to appeal to the west. What they are referring to is expanding their genres into genres that appeal to westerners like action adventure and shooters.Jandurin
A lot more 360s in the west than PS3s.

But more then enough PS3s in the West for Square Enix to make a substantial profit and not have to worry about fitting this game into two different consoles with different specs. Especially by the time FFXIII comes out in the end of 08 and 09. Not to mention Europe where the PS3 is selling very well as well.

Making the game on the PS3 means it will hit its target audience in Japan hard, it will hit a large size of the U.S. and European market as well which buy JRPGs but not like Japan.

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[QUOTE="Javy03"]

They have their games on a Sony platform which sells well in the East and the West. They dont NEED to make their game on the 360 to appeal to the west. What they are referring to is expanding their genres into genres that appeal to westerners like action adventure and shooters.

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Umm... maybe because there is already a console in the West in the PS3?

Plus, why would they focus more on the Western market with more JRPGs? That's the same strategy they've been using since the 80s when they were with Nintendo.

No, they're looking to expand out of JRPGs and enter other genres that are growing. They see Sega and Capcom coming out with new Ips like Total War and Dead Rising and doing very well in the Western markets. They want in on the action. This suggests them looking to develop outside of JRPGs and possibly getting studios that can help them make these genres. They're not going to abandon JRPGs since it's their bread and butter, but they want to include more businesses like Taito to diversify the company. That's all it means.

Zhengi

You both seem very sure of your points, and I can respect that. I just don't think you have all the answers, regardless of how confidently you may state them. I am hopeful that this new from SE means more than what you would like to believe, simply because I am an optimistic person. I'm still holding on to hope that FFXIII hits the 360 somehow ;)

Nothing's impossible, but if it's happening, it's definitely not hinted at in the article.

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The easiest read for the article is that Sony wants to abandon FF to a certain extent, focus on new ip's and multiplay stuff. Mix up the genres. I'm not sure where you're getting that FFXIII will go multiplat. It seems as if it's almost the opposite. They want to chomp up more of the market in the west, and not just scrub off their FF franchise alone.

Edit: I don't know if they'll do well outside the RPG genre, but I think their presentation may take a tweaking in new IP's. Their cinematics might edge more towards hollywood, and away from anime. The action sequences might pull away from that ridiculously over the top advent children stuff and move again, more towards hollywood, which focuses less on wild choreography and more on the drama in the action. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking something like Vagrant Story (conceptually and visually, not gameplay wise) would be a nice fit for western audiences.

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My reason for mentioning FFXIII, is if they really want to bring something big to the "western" (360) market, why not their flagship title?

LOL...I think "hope" is the key word in your statement.I know you want Square enix to support the 360 with its big hitters but the fact is the lack of the 360's diversity in its fanbase is why its not being embraced. If you are a true gamer you should be hoping for new genresand IPsrather then hoping and praying for another games exclusives. If you really want those games maybe you should just consider...gasp...getting a PS3.

Javy03
You don't have to try to be so mean about it all the time, you know. And you make a huge, sweeping generalization about 360 owners that won't really hold up. Besides, what's wrong with hoping? And the chances of me getting a PS3 at this point are pretty slim.
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[QUOTE="Zhengi"]For example, will the 360 continue to sell well and does the PS3 have a chance of catching up to it? I think the biggest question mark right now is the announcement of Warner going with Blu-Ray. Just how much will this news affect the PS3?

Plus, in terms of JRPG sales on the 360, those aren't doing as well as other genres. Sales have been mild so this will factor into their strategy as well.Jandurin

I think the 360 will sell at the same rate as last year until they drop the price another 50. I think the PS3 will not catch up to it.

It doesn't matter if more PS3s are bought for BluRay if people are just going to buy like 1 game and 10 movies. Developers look at software sales and then console sales.

True that JRPG sales have been lackluster on the 360. ALL software sales on the PS3 have been lackluster, though.

uh the PS3 will catch the 360 do you know why? because the 360 doesn't sell well in the east also you said developers look at software sales before hardware sales

when explain why the wii is getting more games than the 360?

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when explain why the wii is getting more games than the 360?flashattackfina
How many of those games aren't made by Nintendo that are also worth 50 bucks?
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[QUOTE="flashattackfina"]when explain why the wii is getting more games than the 360?Jandurin
How many of those games aren't made by Nintendo that are also worth 50 bucks?

very little
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[QUOTE="Zhengi"]For example, will the 360 continue to sell well and does the PS3 have a chance of catching up to it? I think the biggest question mark right now is the announcement of Warner going with Blu-Ray. Just how much will this news affect the PS3?

Plus, in terms of JRPG sales on the 360, those aren't doing as well as other genres. Sales have been mild so this will factor into their strategy as well.Jandurin

I think the 360 will sell at the same rate as last year until they drop the price another 50. I think the PS3 will not catch up to it.

It doesn't matter if more PS3s are bought for BluRay if people are just going to buy like 1 game and 10 movies. Developers look at software sales and then console sales.

True that JRPG sales have been lackluster on the 360. ALL software sales on the PS3 have been lackluster, though.

The main difference here is that for SE, their best market is the Japanese market and that is where the 360 fails tremendously. They already know they'll do well if they release FF on the PS3 in that market. It'll do pretty well in Europe since anecdotal evidence seems to suggest the PS3 is outselling the 360 there.

The only place that seems to be a problem is the US, but FF is a system seller and people will purchase a PS3 for this game.

So really, SE doesn't appear to have too much incentive to bring the game over to the 360, especially if Sony moneyhatted for FFXIII to be exclusive.

Also, to your middle argument, didn't you just use this argument in a previous post "A lot more 360s in the west than PS3s." Huh? Contradict much? :)

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[QUOTE="ace52387"]

The easiest read for the article is that Sony wants to abandon FF to a certain extent, focus on new ip's and multiplay stuff. Mix up the genres. I'm not sure where you're getting that FFXIII will go multiplat. It seems as if it's almost the opposite. They want to chomp up more of the market in the west, and not just scrub off their FF franchise alone.

Edit: I don't know if they'll do well outside the RPG genre, but I think their presentation may take a tweaking in new IP's. Their cinematics might edge more towards hollywood, and away from anime. The action sequences might pull away from that ridiculously over the top advent children stuff and move again, more towards hollywood, which focuses less on wild choreography and more on the drama in the action. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking something like Vagrant Story (conceptually and visually, not gameplay wise) would be a nice fit for western audiences.

musicalmac

My reason for mentioning FFXIII, is if they really want to bring something big to the "western" (360) market, why not their flagship title?

The interview linked on the article isn't saying that. The article specifically refers to SE wanting to acquire western studios and create new games that target the west specifcally, much like sega and capcom. Porting FFXIII to the 360 doesn't expand its western market from what it was back in the PS2 days. Besides, they must get some bennies for keeping titles exclusive to PS3. Just like their unlimited whatchamacallit title on the 360. Microsoft must have offered incentives, as Sony did.

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Also, to your middle argument, didn't you just use this argument in a previous post "A lot more 360s in the west than PS3s." Huh? Contradict much? :)
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I will modify my earlier statement to read: a lot more software is bought in the west, and a lot of that software is on the 360. :wink: