Street Fighter 5 introduces console exclusive branding

lol and there it is.

So much xbox defenders came out the wood work for this one. The idiocy of their arguments to me are mind numbing.

Time to end all BS in this thread by clearing up the nonsense arguments.

First of all how are you "confusing" people who are already looking to pick up console games? There are little to no PC game sections anymore it's ALL digital! So who in the world is this going to "fool"? Duh duh duh Sony are going to confuse consumers lol yeah NO! Anyone in a gaming store or retail store looking for games IS LOOKING FOR GAMES TO PLAY ON CONSOLES! So saying a game is console exclusive isn't fooling anyone who actually cares about about PC.

Fact, anyone who is a PC gamer isn't going to be shifting through video game stores and retail markets looking for the latest game to play so that entire line of arguments about fooling people is stupid yet I seen entire rant walls dedicated to trying to defend that nonsense. Good going.

Secondly, xbox fanboys seem to be confusing why the term console exclusive wasn't allowed when they tried to use it vs what Sony is doing here. It's not the same thing. The big difference is xbox fanboys wanted "console exclusives" to be counted as exclusive games TOWARD THE METAGAME, thus giving the xbox360 more exclusives over PS3 as if the PC version didn't exist to help it win in the numbers over PS3 in AAE AAAE games...before they drooped the exclusive requirement in the spreadsheet.

This is not even remotely the same thing and it's no fanboys are using the term to try eliminate the existence of the PC version. What xbox fans were trying to do was gain a petty moral fanboy victory by pretending that PC versions of PC to 360 games didn't exist and have the 360 version counted as exclusive!!!! When that happened everyone had to remind xbox fans that those games weren't exclusive and that they were multiplat so they wouldn't be added to 360 as exclusives and PC counted for the metagame.

lol how is anyone even comparing this to what desperate xbox fans were trying to do with 360? Nonsense.

This has nothing to do with sony fans being desperate or Sony trying to fool anyone, it's a simple label to identify that PS4 is the only console Street Fighter V will be available on. No one is even trying to pretend the PC version doesn't exist like xbox fans were and no one is begging for the game to be counted as exclusive like xbox fanboys did so what are the hecklers confused about? Everyone understands and accepts that this game is multiplatform and the "console exclusive" term used in this situation isn't meant eliminate the PC versions existence for some silly metagame, it's only meant to identify the 1 specific console the game will be available on. FIN/

Finalstar it appears your thread is a hit, you didn't realize you'd touch the hearts of so many system warriors and cause so many dumb arguments and cause fakeboys so show their true faces with teary eyed emotional responses.

Honestly I've been a big street fighter fan since 2 but I have always liked killer instinct and at this point I do like killer instinct more. The beta didn't impress me at all.

LOL dude the salt in this post is funny....

When I use the term brand exclusive, I am saying that it is exclusive to Sony brand consoles. i.e. Persona 5 is exclusive to Sony brand consoles. But it's not exclusive to either of those consoles when taken as a single entity. Pretty simple.

My argument is that SFV is not exclusive to either consoles OR a specific console. The definition of exclusive requires that a game is restricted to a person, group, area. To argue that SFV is exclusive to PS4 among consoles does not belie the fact that SFV is not an exclusive game. You're simply zeroing in a subset in a way that's convenient but doesn't tell the objective truth of the game's exclusivity status, which is that it's NOT restricted to PS4. Your set of parameters is arbitrary and convenient while mine are objective.

I doubt they mean to mislead people who visit game boards. They want casual consumers to think the game is exclusive.

It's misleading in both cases. An equivocating marketing strategy on Sony's part and an attempt by lemmings to score some exclusives that they weren't entitled to.

Questions

Do you not think the casual consumer knows what a "PC" is?

also

If you are talking about "casual" consumers, are you saying you expect them to be PC gamers with gaming PCs that could play Street Fighter V and that this labeling might fool them into buying the console version?

I am just trying to find the justification for your argument of "fooling people" vs "casual consumers" it seem quite contradictory even at the simplest of levels.

Sold my ps4 cause the lack of games. So I'll be getting this on the PC

A casual consumer knows what a PC is, but they don't necessarily know that Street Fighter V is also on PC.

The idea that there are no casuals that play on PCs that can run advanced games is a myth. I know plenty of casuals that played stuff like Skyrim on their PCs.

The larger point is that Sony's label is an attempt to make something that's not exclusive seem exclusive.

@delta3074:

Cows + paying for online play + hypocrites

Cool, so...where do they buy their games?

Don't know, don't care. I'm just saying that not every person that plays on PC is a gaming enthusiast.

Let me ask you a question: if Sony wasn't counting on the game seeming like an exclusive, why would they even bother with this label?

What is funny about the back and forth arguments is that we have had games with console exclusive branding since the SNES. I recall SNES games proudly boasting that they were "Only on the SNES"

Sega, Sony, and Microsoft have done this for years to promote exclusives for their systems.

What is the big deal about Sony putting this on Street Fighter V's box? God knows Microsoft or Nintendo should do the same if they get their hands on an exclusive.

Not a big deal. But still mlsleading. That's the only thing I'm arguing (can't speak for others). It's no different from any other subtly misleading marketing and I'd guess that the vast majorities of companies engage in misleading marketing.

People going into stores to buy SF5 are buying it for ps4, there are no pc game sections in stores anymore as pc is mostly digital.. How this could mislead anyone is beyond me a quick search on the internet will get me all the info I need about SF5.

So if no one could possibly be mislead, if they are already going into the store to buy it for PS4, why even put that label on the box? What's the point?

My point is that "console exclusive" branding is deigned to get people to treat a multiplatform game as an exclusive even though it's also on PC. There is no other credible reason to put that on the box. They would much rather people buy the game for PS4 or buy a PS4 for the game than for PC.

Are you talking about actual exclusives here? That's the only time I remember "only on Nintendo" being a thing.

Street Fighter V isn't actually an exclusive at all, which is the only reason why this conversation is being had.

I hate those stickers, regardless which company does it.

I hate my Mass Effect 360 copy for having and i might hate this when i get it.

Nah, man. It's a "platforms that are not the PC" exclusive!

lol, you know just like any person who is a PC gamer knows, they got it digitally though steam or some other online retailer. Now it's you who is trying to feign ignorance as to not answer the questions truthfully but it kind of pointless since anyone and everyone who plays PC knows how these things work in 2015.

lol you are the one making the claim that "casual" gamers are running advanced games on PC but now you claim not to know where they get even the most basic of games; never mind the more complex ones? Do you even PC game Bro? If you are going to go on a rant about "lying" then you should at least not be dishonest when answering questions when you seem so passionate about it.

Secondly, It's not my job to prob the brain of the cooperate execs for why they do what ever they do as it would just be speculation, but my best guess would be to, I don't know, protect their investment??? lol you do know Sony helped fund Street Fighter V right? I don't know what you were thinking but It's only logical that Sony make sure that people know that their console is the only one that SFV will be available on since they helped to pay for it. That dose nothing to diminish the fact that a PC version exists nor is it an attempt to make any such claim, but this is all going off the subject of what I asked you and really deflection.

Again, you said Sony is trying to fool people, but any person who is a PC gamer, be it enthusiast or the "casuals" running advanced games like you mention all konw they get games thru digital services. So I ask you, unless someone had no intention to game on PC, who would this "fool"?

Turns out I've been playing nothing but exclusives for years actually. A constant supply of "non handheld exclusives" across consoles and PC. Feels good man.

I don't see the big deal here, sure it's trickery and marketing fodder for the uninformed but it's not necessarily untrue, I've always been a believer in the "console exclusive" terminology. There are a lot of non-PC gamers out there who only follow and play console games and to them this is very relative, in the console space games like this or Dead Rising 3 for example are exclusive in that eco-system.

Exclusive is not a black and white term, the very definition of the word is derived from exclusion, excluding something or multiple things. In relation to Street Fighter V; Xbox One and Wii U are being excluded, in relation to Dead Rising 3; PlayStation 4 and Wii U are being excluded.

In the console eco-system these games can exclusively be played on one console out of all that are available, the rest are excluded.

Yeah, accusing me of dishonesty with no actual proof beyond your assumptions is not an argument.

Protect their investment? lol.

There's a reason you don't want to answer this question. Because there's no other credible reason for them to put that sticker on the box other than the fact that they want people to buy the game on PS4 rather than PC. They want to make the game seem like a PS4 exclusive when it isn't. They have a significant interest in people not buying the game on PC. Doesn't matter if they helped fund it. They might have funded it as a way to make sure it doesn't go to Xbox, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't prefer people buy it on PlayStation.

In any case, PS4 console exclusive by itself is a misleading term in itself by virtue of the fact that the game is not exclusive any way you slice it.

You are extremely naive, but probably only when it comes to Sony.

The only issue I see here is how ugly that sticker is.

Yes, you could say that systems are being EXCLUDED. But that's fundamentally different from saying that a game is an EXCLUSIVE.

Pretty much my argument. But apparently Sony is too pure to resort to these things.

lol

But it is as an adjective, this is from the Oxford Dictionary, the end all be all of the English language.

@GreySeal9: This is one of the more honest examples I've seen in this industry. The fact that they're acknowledging the game is on PC is a huge improvement compared to stuff like this:

Sony makes a clear distinction between having no label, console exclusive, or only on playstation. Only way I can see it being improved further is changing it to only on playstation and PC, but it's still saying the same thing worded differently.

@nyadc said:

@GreySeal9 said:

@nyadc said:

Exclusive is not a black and white term, the very definition of the word is derived from exclusion, excluding something or multiple things. In relation to Street Fighter V; Xbox One and Wii U are being excluded, in relation to Dead Rising 3; PlayStation 4 and Wii U are being excluded.

Yes, you could say that systems are being EXCLUDED. But that's fundamentally different from saying that a game is an EXCLUSIVE.

But it is as an adjective, this is from the Oxford Dictionary, the end all be all of the English language.

But under this definition, any game that is not on any gaming device possible is an exclusive. It doesn't really make in terms of games. It makes more sense in terms of an "exclusive club" or something like that.

@chairman_yang said:

@GreySeal9: This is one of the more honest examples I've seen in this industry. The fact that they're acknowledging the game is on PC is a huge improvement compared to stuff like this:

Sony makes a clear distinction between having no label, console exclusive, or only on playstation. Only way I can see it being improved further is changing it to only on playstation and PC, but it's still saying the same thing worded differently.

It's being worded in such a way as to leave out the PC. There's a specific reason PC is omitted.

But wow, is that really on the Xbox version of Mass Effect? And did the Xbox and PC version release at the same time? If so, that's dishonest as **** and much much worse than Sony's label.

@GreySeal9 said:

@nyadc said:

@GreySeal9 said:

@nyadc said:

Exclusive is not a black and white term, the very definition of the word is derived from exclusion, excluding something or multiple things. In relation to Street Fighter V; Xbox One and Wii U are being excluded, in relation to Dead Rising 3; PlayStation 4 and Wii U are being excluded.

Yes, you could say that systems are being EXCLUDED. But that's fundamentally different from saying that a game is an EXCLUSIVE.

But it is as an adjective, this is from the Oxford Dictionary, the end all be all of the English language.

But under this definition, any game that is not on any gaming device possible is an exclusive. It doesn't really make in terms of games. It makes more sense in terms of an "exclusive club" or something like that.

I would agree but it's all dependent on the eco-system as far as I'm concerned, PC is an eco-system, consoles are an eco-system, handhelds are an eco-system etc.

They're all a part of gaming but they have their own things going on completely independent of what is going on around them, I would almost put the Wii U into a classification like this simply because it exists kind of on its own.

lol I guess you don't have any friends who play on PC then as you seem clueless about something this basic. Perhaps the lie was you saying you even had friends? Or was it just the PC part? It wasn't me who was trying to deflect when answering a question you knew the answer to, so it's funny you say I didn't want to answer something when I did fully answered your question.

And your bold, that is the conclusion you've come to and I care not to debate on whether I think it's right or wrong as I've told you even when I answered, it would only be speculation. You seem to take your own speculation and place a higher value on it as if it can be the only right conclusion. Childishness at it's best.

So no one here can have a logical discussion with you because you've already got your mind made up that your thinking is the only right answer and you are either too childish and or too stubborn to listen to any reasoning other than someone agreeing with you. I gave you credible reason for your question, even if speculation, but you TOTALLY glossed over it to tell me there is no other conclusion other than yours. Okay!

lol you can't even properly defend the accusations you make but want to come back with assumptions, speculation and conspiracies that you claim to be totally irrefutable? You call me naive because I don't agree with someone who's best response to straight forward questions regarding their argument is, "Don't know don't care"? No my friend, only a naive person would agree with someone like this. First learn how to debate using facts and not not just speculation while just scream "I'm right" then maybe you'll get somewhere with your self approved claims.

You are extremely narrow minded and lack the ability to engage in a rational two way conversation, but probably only when it comes to Sony-- see what I did there? :P

You really have no room to talk about not being able to engage in a rational two way conversation: it's why you've earned the name carsangry.

Actually, I just got done saying that if "only for Xbox" if really on the Mass Effect box, that's much worse than Sony's sticker, so the whole attempt to turn around "only when it comes to Sony" fails.

You're not avoiding answering the question because of speculation purposes. You're avoiding because you know that the sticker's most likely purpose is to give the game the weight of exclusivity when it's only on PC. They have significant interest in this game seeming like an exclusive. Why this hurts you so much is beyond me.

@nyadc said:

@GreySeal9 said:

@nyadc said:

@GreySeal9 said:

@nyadc said:

Exclusive is not a black and white term, the very definition of the word is derived from exclusion, excluding something or multiple things. In relation to Street Fighter V; Xbox One and Wii U are being excluded, in relation to Dead Rising 3; PlayStation 4 and Wii U are being excluded.

Yes, you could say that systems are being EXCLUDED. But that's fundamentally different from saying that a game is an EXCLUSIVE.

But it is as an adjective, this is from the Oxford Dictionary, the end all be all of the English language.

But under this definition, any game that is not on any gaming device possible is an exclusive. It doesn't really make in terms of games. It makes more sense in terms of an "exclusive club" or something like that.

I would agree but it's all dependent on the eco-system as far as I'm concerned, PC is an eco-system, consoles are an eco-system, handhelds are an eco-system etc.

They're all a part of gaming but they have their own things going on completely independent of what is going on around them, I would almost put the Wii U into a classification like this simply because it exists kind of on its own.

Fair enough. I'm not against the idea that these games that are shared on PC have weight in determining one console over the other. They're not exclusive, but they can be a reason to buy one console over another (i.e. for someone whose not interested in acquiring or building a gaming PC).

@casharmy said:

@Livecommander said:

@aigis: how is telling people its the only console you can play it on fooling them ? Whoever has a pc will obviously know its coming out steam alone will tell them.

lol and there it is.

So much xbox defenders came out the wood work for this one. The idiocy of their arguments to me are mind numbing.

Time to end all BS in this thread by clearing up the nonsense arguments.

First of all how are you "confusing" people who are already looking to pick up console games? There are little to no PC game sections anymore it's ALL digital! So who in the world is this going to "fool"? Duh duh duh Sony are going to confuse consumers lol yeah NO! Anyone in a gaming store or retail store looking for games IS LOOKING FOR GAMES TO PLAY ON CONSOLES! So saying a game is console exclusive isn't fooling anyone who actually cares about about PC.

Fact, anyone who is a PC gamer isn't going to be shifting through video game stores and retail markets looking for the latest game to play so that entire line of arguments about fooling people is stupid yet I seen entire rant walls dedicated to trying to defend that nonsense. Good going.

Secondly, xbox fanboys seem to be confusing why the term console exclusive wasn't allowed when they tried to use it vs what Sony is doing here. It's not the same thing. The big difference is xbox fanboys wanted "console exclusives" to be counted as exclusive games TOWARD THE METAGAME, thus giving the xbox360 more exclusives over PS3 as if the PC version didn't exist to help it win in the numbers over PS3 in AAE AAAE games...before they drooped the exclusive requirement in the spreadsheet.

This is not even remotely the same thing and it's no fanboys are using the term to try eliminate the existence of the PC version. What xbox fans were trying to do was gain a petty moral fanboy victory by pretending that PC versions of PC to 360 games didn't exist and have the 360 version counted as exclusive!!!! When that happened everyone had to remind xbox fans that those games weren't exclusive and that they were multiplat so they wouldn't be added to 360 as exclusives and PC counted for the metagame.

lol how is anyone even comparing this to what desperate xbox fans were trying to do with 360? Nonsense.

This has nothing to do with sony fans being desperate or Sony trying to fool anyone, it's a simple label to identify that PS4 is the only console Street Fighter V will be available on. No one is even trying to pretend the PC version doesn't exist like xbox fans were and no one is begging for the game to be counted as exclusive like xbox fanboys did so what are the hecklers confused about? Everyone understands and accepts that this game is multiplatform and the "console exclusive" term used in this situation isn't meant eliminate the PC versions existence for some silly metagame, it's only meant to identify the 1 specific console the game will be available on. FIN/

Finalstar it appears your thread is a hit, you didn't realize you'd touch the hearts of so many system warriors and cause so many dumb arguments and cause fakeboys so show their true faces with teary eyed emotional responses.

Wow, what a post! TLHBO.

@speak_low: What's the 'LMAO'? Street Fighter is definitely far better than Killer Instinct, but there is nothing about Uncharted 4 that seems conclusively better than Quantum Break, the two look evenly matched in that department. It could go either way.

I really have to say, based upon what exactly?

They're both extremely well built fighters which are mechanically sound, and stick to their roots quite well.

Exactly, and honestly even for PC owners it can hold weight.

I love my PC, it's what I've done in gaming longer than anything, however there are just some games I enjoy better for what they are on a console, on my couch and so on, it's just a different experience.

Except I answered your question, perhaps you can't read? Or perhaps you are still childishly thinking i had to answer with the conclusion that you came up with for it to count as "answering" in your universe?

Sigh since you've resorted to LYING now I'll post my answer to your question again and I'll disconnect from worrying about your response since I see you really don't have a problem with lying or being dishonest at all so you must be on this emotional mission to rant about sony for some other petty personal reason. Not my concern.

"my best guess would be to, I don't know, protect their investment??? lol you do know Sony helped fund Street Fighter V right? I don't know what you were thinking but It's only logical that Sony make sure that people know that their console is the only one that SFV will be available on since they helped to pay for it. That dose nothing to diminish the fact that a PC version exists nor is it an attempt to make any such claim"

There you go, might want to get some glasses since you can't see or read.

Did you just say that the Max Payne games don't have a deep story?

Also the way you're talking about Uncharted sounds extremely exaggerated, you're clearly a fanatic although there is some truth to what you're saying in what to expect, they're great games and I'll give credit where credit is due, but really?

"My hands, now, tingle expectantly from all the fun, eye-popping, jaw-dropping memories I got from this series."

Really?

Funny that you didn't include the whole quote:

"Secondly, It's not my job to prob the brain of the cooperate execs for why they do what ever they do as it would just be speculation, but my best guess would be to, I don't know, protect their investment??? lol you do know Sony helped fund Street Fighter V right?"

So, yes, you evasively answered the question, but you clearly don't want to talk about why Sony would do this regardless of your weak token answer because you know that the logical answer is that they are engaging in the marketing of equivocation: creating the sense that the game is a PS4 exclusive through omission.

You don't have to agree with me, but you should attempt to come up with something remotely substantial.

The truth is you can't come up with a better alternative to them wanting to make people think that a non-exclusive actually is an exclusive and you're frustrated about that, hence the "it's not my job to speculate" comment. You're perfectly happy to speculate about other things.

This is especially ironic considering that you're asking me to speculate as to where people get their games and calling me a liar when I don't.

Haha. That's just yucky.

LMAO, that's rich, ok let's get back to the FACTs our interaction was initiated by ME! I asked YOU a question and your response was "don't know down care". COMPLETE wash and ran away trying to change the subject then you asked me a question to which I cared not to answer because it's something I really couldn't know and something you couldn't know because we aren't at the board meetings so "speculation" and you only used it as a method to run away from the question I asked you.

You can't make a fact out of speculation kiddo, but it's a fact that if you are a PC gamer in 2015 that you are getting damn near all games through digital retail stores if not all, but YOU didn't want to answer that truthfully because it didn't fit the argument you were desperately trying to portray but there really was ONLY one correct answer to my question.

I don't need to come up with a better argument because it's not my argument, it's yours and it's 100% self made speculation and conspiracy. You can't prove ANYTHING you are saying but I can easily prove my point with facts and outside sources. You got nothing but hot air to argue with and it's clear that's all you're going to have.

Good luck on your speculation argument campaign tho, that kind of thing should work well with preschoolers.

I stand by my answer: I don't know for sure where they get their games. It's likely they get them on Steam, but it's perfectly possible that they bought a hard copy. Regardless, you can hardly cry about speculation and then ask me to speculate on something.

Haha. To call the idea that they are marketing through equivocation a conspiracy in hilarious because it's not a conspiracy. The term "PS4 console exclusive" is not an honest sticker. It's an equivocation meant to distract from the fact that there's also a PC version and anybody with a modicum of critical thinking and ability to parse out rhetoric can see this. Your counter argument does not wash. You are very aware that you scraped it from the bottom of the barrel just to have a theory. But I guess a weak theory is better than none at all.

Keep on holding onto your pure image of Sony if that helps you sleep at night.

The thread started with salt and still filled with salt, this thread is like an ocean right now

Also, @casharmy, I thought you were going to tune out my response, yet you're still here.

In any case, this thread is one of the worst examples of corporate ball licking that I've seen on these forums.