SVOGI removed from UE4, no dynamic GI, The PS4 already holding back PC gaming!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=537654

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Quote:Fully dynamic lighting and precomputed lighting are just two tools in our UE4 toolbox. We have games being made like Fortnite that are using fully dynamic lighting, no lighting build times, and the game has full flexibility to change what it desires at runtime. In the case of Fortnite, this is used to great effect with building and harvesting of resources. We don't yet have a solution for dynamic GI in the fully dynamic lighting path, this is something we hope to address in the future. this is what it looked likeand it's goneIt's all the quad's fault.After Digital Foundry made that comparison between the PC UE4 demo and the PS4 demo, they've thus reversed their position on using SVGOI - claiming "inefficiencies". If it took this this long; up until the point of finishing the PS4 UE4 demo to make this conclusion; then it already makes it obvious that due to the lack of power in the PS4, Epic decided to remove a feature from their engine.Plus by next year you could get GTX 680 performance for a lot cheaper. Curse you Kaz Hirai!!! The master race shall have their revenge!!!

No pc is holding back pc gaming a hell of a lot of people are still using xp with dx 9. OMG teh ps4 does not have a 1000$ gpu in it!

I doub it. They realized it was too resource intensive for those trying to run UE4 on intel integrated chipsets.

Who cares?

Consoles are the true cancer of gaming. Constantly holding back graphical enhancements before they're even released. Teh quadz can't even run tech demos properly.

This is actually the first time you can actually say a console has held back a PC in some form. They had great lighting with SVOGI on the PC demo and then had to remove it cos the PS4 wasn't as good as they expected. Hence why the PS4 demo looked really rough, but if the demo was shown on PC again it would look just as rough because the GI was removed. 

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="new_gamer244"]

Who cares...the lighting look just fine on todays games even if it prebaked

gpuking

Alright lets see what SVOGI is and how it works, come on, enlighten us. And don't fvcking copy paste the reserach paper from Nvidia or Epic explain in simple terms how it worked. And whatever demanding or not, fact is PS4 couldn't handle it and because of it we have to suffer. And just for your information Epic also added support for static lighting after the reveal of PS4, I wonder why!

Arghhhhhhh.........that piece of trash. And we have to suffer beacuse of it. By the way is KZ:SF using any realtime GI or still using the brebaked lighting? I guess, later one.

Who cares...the lighting look just fine on todays games even if it prebaked

Damn consoles...

So something that makes games more immersive and nice looking...and immersive gets trashed because the PS4 can't maintain 29FPS with it. WTF Epic is wrong with you?

Also, my reaction-

Who cares...the lighting look just fine on todays games even if it prebaked

new_gamer244

[QUOTE="new_gamer244"]

Who cares...the lighting look just fine on todays games even if it prebaked

faizan_faizan

How will we live without SVOGI :( ...

[QUOTE="new_gamer244"]

Who cares...the lighting look just fine on todays games even if it prebaked

faizan_faizan

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="new_gamer244"]

Who cares...the lighting look just fine on todays games even if it prebaked

gpuking

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="new_gamer244"]

Who cares...the lighting look just fine on todays games even if it prebaked

gpuking

Yeah, even with the PS4 demo looking worse, it was having framerate issues, there is no way PS4 would be able to handle dynamic GI

[QUOTE="gpuking"][QUOTE="faizan_faizan"] Static Lighting = Static Almost Everything. Wonder how you can't react with things illuminating in a game? i.e. Lights etc. Real Time lighting = Faster load times as well. SVOGI is(was) going to be the next big thing.faizan_faizan

Indeed, it was running perfectly fine on a 680, they removed it because of PS4, plain & simple

Yeah, even with the PS4 demo looking worse, it was having framerate issues, there is no way PS4 would be able to handle dynamic GI

HaloinventedFPS

PC Gamers:Bu..Bu-But next gen games will be made on PC and THEN ported to consoles!:cry::cry::cry:

If devs are electing to be console-centric, it's clearly because the latter is a more lucrative business. The only ones 'holding' PC gaming back are the devs, but like anybody else, they're there to make profit, not pander to people.

PC Gamers:Bu..Bu-But next gen games will be made on PC and THEN ported to consoles!:cry::cry::cry:

call_of_duty_10

If devs are electing to be console-centric, it's clearly because the latter is a more lucrative business. The only ones 'holding' PC gaming back are the devs, but like anybody else, they're there to make profit, not pander to people.

DarthJohnova

it depends on the game or developer.   Either way most games get made to the lowest common denominator.  Even pc exclussives

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

PC Gamers:Bu..Bu-But next gen games will be made on PC and THEN ported to consoles!:cry::cry::cry:

faizan_faizan

SVOGI in regular games would choke any current card, considering that the original 680 demo used 50% of the resources and it was a controlled tech demo. The whole consoles holding back technology is really silly and I thought you guys actually learned that on neogaf already... 

The point of UE4 is not the lighting engine, but more simplified options and streamlined features for the regular dev. It's true that it's sad that Sparse Voxel Octree Global Ilumination is not making the cut, but it's not a surprise really. It was speculated back when the original elemental demo was released that it would probably get axed, since it was a prototype technique (and it was a resource hog). 

*The new infiltrator demo would be a lot less impressive scale wise with SVOGI with a 680 also. Isn't that demo pretty great looking?

We are still pretty far away from SVOGI in all our games. It might return in a year or two, once it was tweaked a bit more and cards actually can support it without taking a major hit in performance.  

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

PC Gamers:Bu..Bu-But next gen games will be made on PC and THEN ported to consoles!:cry::cry::cry:

call_of_duty_10

SVOGI in regular games would choke any current card, considering that the original 680 demo used 50% of the resources and it was a controlled tech demo. The whole consoles holding back technology is really silly and I thought you guys actually learned that on neogaf already... 

The point of UE4 is not the lighting engine, but more simplified options and streamlined features for the regular dev. It's true that it's sad that Sparse Voxel Octree Global Ilumination is not making the cut, but it's not a surprise really. It was speculated back when the original elemental demo was released that it would probably get axed, since it was a prototype technique (and it was a resource hog). 

*The new infiltrator demo would be a lot less impressive scale wise with SVOGI with a 680 also. Isn't that demo pretty great looking?

We are still pretty far away from SVOGI in all our games. It might return in a year or two, once it was tweaked a bit more and cards actually can support it without taking a major hit in performance.  

Razor_defiace

[QUOTE="gpuking"][QUOTE="faizan_faizan"] Static Lighting = Static Almost Everything. Wonder how you can't react with things illuminating in a game? i.e. Lights etc. Real Time lighting = Faster load times as well. SVOGI is(was) going to be the next big thing.zeeshanhaider

Alright lets see what SVOGI is and how it works, come on, enlighten us. And don't fvcking copy paste the reserach paper from Nvidia or Epic explain in simple terms how it worked. And whatever demanding or not, fact is PS4 couldn't handle it and because of it we have to suffer. And just for your information Epic also added support for static lighting after the reveal of PS4, I wonder why!

SVOGI in regular games would choke any current card, considering that the original 680 demo used 50% of the resources and it was a controlled tech demo. The whole consoles holding back technology is really silly and I thought you guys actually learned that on neogaf already... 

The point of UE4 is not the lighting engine, but more simplified options and streamlined features for the regular dev. It's true that it's sad that Sparse Voxel Octree Global Ilumination is not making the cut, but it's not a surprise really. It was speculated back when the original elemental demo was released that it would probably get axed, since it was a prototype technique (and it was a resource hog). 

*The new infiltrator demo would be a lot less impressive scale wise with SVOGI with a 680 also. Isn't that demo pretty great looking?

We are still pretty far away from SVOGI in all our games. It might return in a year or two, once it was tweaked a bit more and cards actually can support it without taking a major hit in performance.  

Razor_defiace

 What controlled tech demo? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOvfn1p92_8faizan_faizan

"Controlled" as in within the limits of the hardware. The world scale, the amount of geometry, characters on screen are the prime examples. I don't see anything that actually shows me it being an actual typical "game" environment. Controlled might be wrong term to use in this case, but I stand by my examples.
 
Anyway my point was that with SVOGI we are sacrificing bigger environments in favour of smaller confined spaces and non-interactable geometry. 

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="gpuking"] You honestly have no idea of SVOGI do you? Firstly it's only the realtime GI that's been removed, they still have normal dynamic lighting which you can see in the Infiltrator demo and many other UE3 games. Also Epic has already confirmed SVOGI is too demanding for everything platforms including highest end PCs. Many other graphical features would be sacrificed if you don't prebake realtime GI in that Infiltrator demo.No one's holding anyone back, it's just like you can't do ray tracing in game like Crysis 3 yet on any systems. HaloinventedFPS

Indeed, it was running perfectly fine on a 680, they removed it because of PS4, plain & simple

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]

 What controlled tech demo? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOvfn1p92_8Razor_defiace

"Controlled" as in within the limits of the hardware. The world scale, the amount of geometry, characters on screen are the prime examples. I don't see anything that actually shows me it being an actual typical "game" environment. Controlled might be wrong term to use in this case, but I stand by my examples.
 
Anyway my point was that with SVOGI we are sacrificing bigger environments in favour of smaller confined spaces and non-interactable geometry. 

[QUOTE="zeeshanhaider"]

[QUOTE="gpuking"] You honestly have no idea of SVOGI do you? Firstly it's only the realtime GI that's been removed, they still have normal dynamic lighting which you can see in the Infiltrator demo and many other UE3 games. Also Epic has already confirmed SVOGI is too demanding for everything platforms including highest end PCs. Many other graphical features would be sacrificed if you don't prebake realtime GI in that Infiltrator demo. No one's holding anyone back, it's just like you can't do ray tracing in game like Crysis 3 yet on any systems. gpuking

Alright lets see what SVOGI is and how it works, come on, enlighten us. And don't fvcking copy paste the reserach paper from Nvidia or Epic explain in simple terms how it worked. And whatever demanding or not, fact is PS4 couldn't handle it and because of it we have to suffer. And just for your information Epic also added support for static lighting after the reveal of PS4, I wonder why!

[QUOTE="zeeshanhaider"]

[QUOTE="gpuking"] You honestly have no idea of SVOGI do you? Firstly it's only the realtime GI that's been removed, they still have normal dynamic lighting which you can see in the Infiltrator demo and many other UE3 games. Also Epic has already confirmed SVOGI is too demanding for everything platforms including highest end PCs. Many other graphical features would be sacrificed if you don't prebake realtime GI in that Infiltrator demo. No one's holding anyone back, it's just like you can't do ray tracing in game like Crysis 3 yet on any systems. gpuking

Alright lets see what SVOGI is and how it works, come on, enlighten us. And don't fvcking copy paste the reserach paper from Nvidia or Epic explain in simple terms how it worked. And whatever demanding or not, fact is PS4 couldn't handle it and because of it we have to suffer. And just for your information Epic also added support for static lighting after the reveal of PS4, I wonder why!

In other words, you don't know jack about SVOGI. And no, high end PCs don't need static lighting. We have already seen fully dynamic lighting with CryEngine 3.

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]

 What controlled tech demo? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOvfn1p92_8Razor_defiace

"Controlled" as in within the limits of the hardware. The world scale, the amount of geometry, characters on screen are the prime examples. I don't see anything that actually shows me it being an actual typical "game" environment. Controlled might be wrong term to use in this case, but I stand by my examples.
 
Anyway my point was that with SVOGI we are sacrificing bigger environments in favour of smaller confined spaces and non-interactable geometry. 

Yup, and KZ:SF onrails demo is real, not controlled at all while still failing. You cows are amusing.

[QUOTE="gpuking"][QUOTE="zeeshanhaider"]

Alright lets see what SVOGI is and how it works, come on, enlighten us. And don't fvcking copy paste the reserach paper from Nvidia or Epic explain in simple terms how it worked. And whatever demanding or not, fact is PS4 couldn't handle it and because of it we have to suffer. And just for your information Epic also added support for static lighting after the reveal of PS4, I wonder why!

zeeshanhaider

In other words, you don't know jack about SVOGI. And no, high end PCs don't need static lighting. We have already seen fully dynamic lighting with CryEngine 3.

[QUOTE="Razor_defiace"]

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]

 What controlled tech demo? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOvfn1p92_8zeeshanhaider

"Controlled" as in within the limits of the hardware. The world scale, the amount of geometry, characters on screen are the prime examples. I don't see anything that actually shows me it being an actual typical "game" environment. Controlled might be wrong term to use in this case, but I stand by my examples.
 
Anyway my point was that with SVOGI we are sacrificing bigger environments in favour of smaller confined spaces and non-interactable geometry. 

Yup, and KZ:SF onrails demo is real, not controlled at all while still failing. You cows are amusing.

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="gpuking"] You honestly have no idea of SVOGI do you? Firstly it's only the realtime GI that's been removed, they still have normal dynamic lighting which you can see in the Infiltrator demo and many other UE3 games. Also Epic has already confirmed SVOGI is too demanding for everything platforms including highest end PCs. Many other graphical features would be sacrificed if you don't prebake realtime GI in that Infiltrator demo.No one's holding anyone back, it's just like you can't do ray tracing in game like Crysis 3 yet on any systems. HaloinventedFPS

Indeed, it was running perfectly fine on a 680, they removed it because of PS4, plain & simple

If devs took things out of there engines because consoles couldn't run them then what about all the DX 11 effects that have been in games for the past year? You hermits are completely pathetic, this may be a new low of stupidity from the most pathetic fan boy class on system wars. 

i've never heard of an unreleased console having such a hard time running a watered down tech demo. sony has set a new low with the ps4. :(