SW, what is it about the wii that makes so many of you inherently hate it?

I see. To be fair they aren't any less journalistic than the news on television already is. At least some of them have backgrounds in the business. One guy was part of the PR department for monolith for a long time, so when he makes an observation, the experience is at least there to backup some of the claims.

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[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

topgunmv

Its hardly the same. At all.

Whatever console they bash, theyre still man children and its offending to refer to them as journalists. But that specific video and the ensuing comments were referenced in this thread, so that is what I went by.

I suppose you are somewhat right insaying they arent any less journalistic than the stuff on TV, but I cannot take professional bashing of any console as newsworthy, or as any kind of fact. If that guy was a PR person, and knows the industry, then that only makes his position worse. Clearly, the Wii is not doomed, and Nintendo are not screwed and, as an industry insider, he should know that.

The kind of words and language they use, too, is disgusting and people just shouldnt accept it as news when its conjecture. Its not an observation. Its bad guess work and thinly veiled hope that Nintendo will do badly because, as a lot of fanboys do, he wants them to fail because of irrational and inherent hate.

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[QUOTE="falconclan"] But this is your term, this is how you interpret it, and it may very well be true that you see it this way, but its not the same way with me. If we have a universal ideal of what it is to be a gamer, I'd go by it, but for now I see gaming as the same thing, to me I have mastered games, I do play competitively and at one time and possibly again some day, it was my profession.

tok1879

So most of SW is not this demographic then because they lack your skill and knowledge correct?

So? I have friends who buy games similar to me who don't post here. How is grandma different then them? Do you know what Grandma buys? In fact, now that I'm at it, to all of the people around here, is this a welcoming environmet to grandma and others who like puzzles, brain age and wii sports resort? The way you people talk about them why would they feel welcome coming here? YOU TREAT THEM LIKE THEY ARE TRASH. How do they get a passion if no one caters to them to begin with? This is where all the elitest comments (I don't entirely agree) are coming from.

[QUOTE="tok1879"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

So most of SW is not this demographic then because they lack your skill and knowledge correct?

ActicEdge

So? I have friends who buy games similar to me who don't post here. How is grandma different then them? Do you know what Grandma buys? In fact, now that I'm at it, to all of the people around here, is this a welcoming environmet to grandma and others who like puzzles, brain age and wii sports resort? The way you people talk about them why would they feel welcome coming here?

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[QUOTE="tok1879"] But everyone in SW is here for a reason though, right? Gaming? We find if a big enough interest to be here, regardless of our skill levels. Guess who is not likely to be here. The grandma we speak of.tok1879

So? I have friends who buy games similar to me who don't post here. How is grandma different then them? Do you know what Grandma buys? In fact, now that I'm at it, to all of the people around here, is this a welcoming environmet to grandma and others who like puzzles, brain age and wii sports resort? The way you people talk about them why would they feel welcome coming here?

You completely dodged the question. What me and my buds play are irrelevant. This isn't about gamestop and it isn't about looking for new game releases. The point I made is you asked why they aren't here and I'm telling you that they wouldn't even be accepted if they wanted to be here in the first place so why do you act like it matters? Brain age and Wii Sports Resort aren't accepted topics in SW, they couldn't talk about their gaming interests. SW is for debate but yet she/they would be eaten alive and that very thought crossing my mind shows how pathetic this divide the core gamers have made is. But you're flopping now, there are grandmas on gamespot? You know what the fact is man, the same way grandma would be a minoruty in her group of gamers, we are too. Of all the people I know who game, I am the ONLY one who posts on forums frequently. What does that say?

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[QUOTE="tok1879"] But everyone in SW is here for a reason though, right? Gaming? We find if a big enough interest to be here, regardless of our skill levels. Guess who is not likely to be here. The grandma we speak of.tok1879

So? I have friends who buy games similar to me who don't post here. How is grandma different then them? Do you know what Grandma buys? In fact, now that I'm at it, to all of the people around here, is this a welcoming environmet to grandma and others who like puzzles, brain age and wii sports resort? The way you people talk about them why would they feel welcome coming here?

Its quite obvious that the large majority of people that game couldnt give a rats ass about this website, "professional" review sources, or anything. These sites are made by one demographic for another demographic, and nothing else is represented in that. If you suggets that people that post here are the only "true" gamers, well, thats such a tiny segment of people who play games, its not really worth mentioning.

We are a vocal bunch, but we are in the minority, here.

For the record, my grandma has gone into a gamestop equivilent and browsed the newest game releases. Im not sure how a grandma would buy video games for her console, otherwise.

[QUOTE="tok1879"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

So? I have friends who buy games similar to me who don't post here. How is grandma different then them? Do you know what Grandma buys? In fact, now that I'm at it, to all of the people around here, is this a welcoming environmet to grandma and others who like puzzles, brain age and wii sports resort? The way you people talk about them why would they feel welcome coming here?

eveileb-ekam

Its quite obvious that the large majority of people that game couldnt give a rats ass about this website, "professional" review sources, or anything. These sites are made by one demographic for another demographic, and nothing else is represented in that. If you suggets that people that post here are the only "true" gamers, well, thats such a tiny segment of people who play games, its not really worth mentioning. We are a vocal bunch, but we are in the minority, here. For the record, my grandma has gone into a gamestop equivilent and browsed the newest game releases. Im not sure how a grandma would buy video games for her console, otherwise.

Its more than that, does he want them to actually come here and talk about there gaming interests?

[QUOTE="eveileb-ekam"][QUOTE="tok1879"] Well, i guess we don't know if your friends are gamers or not, do we? And do you really believe grandma goes into gamestop or even best buy looking for the newest game releases? Or to websites for gaming reasons? Well even if she did, she would still be in the minority(unless there is a sudden interest explosion of gaming for grandmas out there). There are "gamers" like her on gamespot already, they're just in the minority.ActicEdge

Its quite obvious that the large majority of people that game couldnt give a rats ass about this website, "professional" review sources, or anything. These sites are made by one demographic for another demographic, and nothing else is represented in that. If you suggets that people that post here are the only "true" gamers, well, thats such a tiny segment of people who play games, its not really worth mentioning. We are a vocal bunch, but we are in the minority, here. For the record, my grandma has gone into a gamestop equivilent and browsed the newest game releases. Im not sure how a grandma would buy video games for her console, otherwise.

Its more than that, does he want them to actually come here and talk about there gaming interests?

It's only this particular board that is hostile. The others can be quite friendly.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="eveileb-ekam"]

Its quite obvious that the large majority of people that game couldnt give a rats ass about this website, "professional" review sources, or anything. These sites are made by one demographic for another demographic, and nothing else is represented in that. If you suggets that people that post here are the only "true" gamers, well, thats such a tiny segment of people who play games, its not really worth mentioning. We are a vocal bunch, but we are in the minority, here. For the record, my grandma has gone into a gamestop equivilent and browsed the newest game releases. Im not sure how a grandma would buy video games for her console, otherwise.eveileb-ekam

Its more than that, does he want them to actually come here and talk about there gaming interests?

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="eveileb-ekam"]

Its quite obvious that the large majority of people that game couldnt give a rats ass about this website, "professional" review sources, or anything. These sites are made by one demographic for another demographic, and nothing else is represented in that. If you suggets that people that post here are the only "true" gamers, well, thats such a tiny segment of people who play games, its not really worth mentioning. We are a vocal bunch, but we are in the minority, here. For the record, my grandma has gone into a gamestop equivilent and browsed the newest game releases. Im not sure how a grandma would buy video games for her console, otherwise.eveileb-ekam

Its more than that, does he want them to actually come here and talk about there gaming interests?

Yup, it reflects badly on us and the industry. That's why gaming is not seen as positive. The wii forum is a fairly nice forum I have to admit though. There has been some rough debate but as a community it tries to respect each other which is a good start. I'd love if more people shared my hoby but I'm not the majority and this thread proves exactly that gamers just want to be left alone and not accepted.

[QUOTE="tok1879"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

So? I have friends who buy games similar to me who don't post here. How is grandma different then them? Do you know what Grandma buys? In fact, now that I'm at it, to all of the people around here, is this a welcoming environmet to grandma and others who like puzzles, brain age and wii sports resort? The way you people talk about them why would they feel welcome coming here?

ActicEdge

You completely dodged the question. What me and my buds play are irrelevant. This isn't about gamestop and it isn't about looking for new game releases. The point I made is you asked why they aren't here and I'm telling you that they wouldn't even be accepted if they wanted to be here in the first place so why do you act like it matters? Brain age and Wii Sports Resort aren't accepted topics in SW, they couldn't talk about their gaming interests. SW is for debate but yet she/they would be eaten alive and that very thought crossing my mind shows how pathetic this divide the core gamers have made is. But you're flopping now, there are grandmas on gamespot? You know what the fact is man, the same way grandma would be a minoruty in her group of gamers, we are too. Of all the people I know who game, I am the ONLY one who posts on forums frequently. What does that say?

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[QUOTE="tok1879"] Well, i guess we don't know if your friends are gamers or not, do we? And do you really believe grandma goes into gamestop or even best buy looking for the newest game releases? Or to websites for gaming reasons? Well even if she did, she would still be in the minority(unless there is a sudden interest explosion of gaming for grandmas out there). There are "gamers" like her on gamespot already, they're just in the minority.tok1879

You completely dodged the question. What me and my buds play are irrelevant. This isn't about gamestop and it isn't about looking for new game releases. The point I made is you asked why they aren't here and I'm telling you that they wouldn't even be accepted if they wanted to be here in the first place so why do you act like it matters? Brain age and Wii Sports Resort aren't accepted topics in SW, they couldn't talk about their gaming interests. SW is for debate but yet she/they would be eaten alive and that very thought crossing my mind shows how pathetic this divide the core gamers have made is. But you're flopping now, there are grandmas on gamespot? You know what the fact is man, the same way grandma would be a minoruty in her group of gamers, we are too. Of all the people I know who game, I am the ONLY one who posts on forums frequently. What does that say?

Dont mean to jump in, but you know as well as I do that any user coming on this board to talk about games would be roasted alive if they were part of that expanded audience, if how Wii only owners - and lovers - are treated is any indication to go by.

So you are arguing a term that is subjective and full of opinion - fine, dont consider some people that play games gamers, and do consider other people who play games gamers. And then once thats settled, we could get back on topic...

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[QUOTE="garland51"]

Let's see here:

1.) About 85% of the titles are based on shovelware, party, remakes, excerising, & PS2 ports. The other 15% are great games. Even if you played every day, it would take you more time than this whole gen to play all 15%. Besides, who cares if the other 85% is shovelware? Are you going out and playing bad games?

2.) You'll get bored with it over time if another 1st party game doesn't come out soon. Then maybe you shouldn't ignore the great third party games?

3.) I don't want to keep waving my arms around to play games. Then don't. Nearly all good wii games have very little waggle.

4.) The Wii is more powerful than X-Box, yet due to a lack of amount of system RAM and less processing power, it can't handle graphics above 480p. Pathetic. Even some games from the original X-Box like MK: Armageddon & Soul Calibur 2 run in 720p. So, your a graphics whore who can't enjoy a game unless it's cutting edge?

5.) They don't even have DVD playback, despite them using DVD's for games. Both X-Box & PS2 had them last gen, but Nintendo didn't have it. Both 360 & PS3 have them, yet, Nintendo still doesn't have it. So? I have about 5 DVD players in my house already. Why would I need a 7th?

garland51

Maybe you should try thinking before you type next time.

Huh? Say what? Let's see here:

1.) The other 15% are great games. Even if you played every day, it would take you more time than this whole gen to play all 15%. Besides, who cares if the other 85% is shovelware? Are you going out and playing bad games?

Maybe so, but it's still not enough for me to waste $250 out on. The NES, SNES, the N64, & the GC had all sorts of great, quality games.

2.) So, your a graphics whore who can't enjoy a game unless it's cutting edge?

So what? I enjoyed playing games that aren't on the HD level, & I enjoyed playing them on the HD level. Are you trying to tell me that I should stick with last gen graphics forever?

3.) So? I have about 5 DVD players in my house already. Why would I need a 7th?

They just need to get with the times already. They're so behind in that category.

Maybe you should try thinking before you type next time.

If you can't accept people's opinions, then why post?

1.) Still more games than you could possibly have time for. I fail to see that as a bad thing.

2.) nothing is wrong with liking great visuals, but there nothing wrong with enjoying agme on a weaker system. A game is a game is a game is a game is a game is a game.

3.) That's still a crap excuse. Whats the point of including tech that no one would ever use. Why don't they just stick a calculator on the side while their at it.

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[QUOTE="tok1879"] Well, i guess we don't know if your friends are gamers or not, do we? And do you really believe grandma goes into gamestop or even best buy looking for the newest game releases? Or to websites for gaming reasons? Well even if she did, she would still be in the minority(unless there is a sudden interest explosion of gaming for grandmas out there). There are "gamers" like her on gamespot already, they're just in the minority.tok1879

You completely dodged the question. What me and my buds play are irrelevant. This isn't about gamestop and it isn't about looking for new game releases. The point I made is you asked why they aren't here and I'm telling you that they wouldn't even be accepted if they wanted to be here in the first place so why do you act like it matters? Brain age and Wii Sports Resort aren't accepted topics in SW, they couldn't talk about their gaming interests. SW is for debate but yet she/they would be eaten alive and that very thought crossing my mind shows how pathetic this divide the core gamers have made is. But you're flopping now, there are grandmas on gamespot? You know what the fact is man, the same way grandma would be a minoruty in her group of gamers, we are too. Of all the people I know who game, I am the ONLY one who posts on forums frequently. What does that say?

They wouldn't be accepted because I post here and see the things people say and its not welcoming at all. I'm not sure why you argue otherwise. This place treats those types of gamers like trash. This thread is all the ammo I need to prove you are denying what you know. (I never said I know there are grandmas either, I haven't said yes or no, only that the environment isn't welcoming). And gamestop is for entuisiests, people buy games at generic places too so why GAMEstop? I can't (or won't even bother anymore) arguing who or who isn't a gamer, I'm saying you are not answering the question when its obvious the point has been made.

[QUOTE="tok1879"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

So? I have friends who buy games similar to me who don't post here. How is grandma different then them? Do you know what Grandma buys? In fact, now that I'm at it, to all of the people around here, is this a welcoming environmet to grandma and others who like puzzles, brain age and wii sports resort? The way you people talk about them why would they feel welcome coming here?

eveileb-ekam

Its quite obvious that the large majority of people that game couldnt give a rats ass about this website, "professional" review sources, or anything. These sites are made by one demographic for another demographic, and nothing else is represented in that. If you suggets that people that post here are the only "true" gamers, well, thats such a tiny segment of people who play games, its not really worth mentioning.

We are a vocal bunch, but we are in the minority, here.

For the record, my grandma has gone into a gamestop equivilent and browsed the newest game releases. Im not sure how a grandma would buy video games for her console, otherwise.

[QUOTE="tok1879"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

You completely dodged the question. What me and my buds play are irrelevant. This isn't about gamestop and it isn't about looking for new game releases. The point I made is you asked why they aren't here and I'm telling you that they wouldn't even be accepted if they wanted to be here in the first place so why do you act like it matters? Brain age and Wii Sports Resort aren't accepted topics in SW, they couldn't talk about their gaming interests. SW is for debate but yet she/they would be eaten alive and that very thought crossing my mind shows how pathetic this divide the core gamers have made is. But you're flopping now, there are grandmas on gamespot? You know what the fact is man, the same way grandma would be a minoruty in her group of gamers, we are too. Of all the people I know who game, I am the ONLY one who posts on forums frequently. What does that say?

ActicEdge

They wouldn't be accepted because I post here and see the things people say and its not welcoming at all. I'm not sure why you argue otherwise. This place treats those types of gamers like trash. This thread is all the ammo I need to prove you are denying what you know. (I never said I know there are grandmas either, I haven't said yes or no, only that the environment isn't welcoming). And gamestop is for entuisiests, people buy games at generic places too so why GAMEstop? I can't (or won't even bother anymore) arguing who or who isn't a gamer, I'm saying you are not answering the question when its obvious the point has been made.

[QUOTE="eveileb-ekam"]

[QUOTE="tok1879"] Well, i guess we don't know if your friends are gamers or not, do we? And do you really believe grandma goes into gamestop or even best buy looking for the newest game releases? Or to websites for gaming reasons? Well even if she did, she would still be in the minority(unless there is a sudden interest explosion of gaming for grandmas out there). There are "gamers" like her on gamespot already, they're just in the minority.tok1879

Its quite obvious that the large majority of people that game couldnt give a rats ass about this website, "professional" review sources, or anything. These sites are made by one demographic for another demographic, and nothing else is represented in that. If you suggets that people that post here are the only "true" gamers, well, thats such a tiny segment of people who play games, its not really worth mentioning.

We are a vocal bunch, but we are in the minority, here.

For the record, my grandma has gone into a gamestop equivilent and browsed the newest game releases. Im not sure how a grandma would buy video games for her console, otherwise.

Okay, apologise, but I read one thing and it seemed to infer that you would believe the opposite was true. Its late here, and Ive been working all day :P

I dont believe it is rare because grandmas who may own Wiis probably do not have a grasp of the internet, and there arent really many options for them to go. Maybe my grandmother is rare - she doesnt shop in a supermarket, so if she wants something, she will go to a specific store to get it.

I wonder what you think my answer was going to be? In honest to god truth, it was for herself and her husband. My grandad has just been diagnosed with alzheimers, so she wanted to get Big Brain Academy for some simple stuff he can do. She also got Wii Sports Resort.

Its probably worth baring in mind that my Grandma is in her early 60s - not old, really, and certainly not a, uh, traditional grandma.

[QUOTE="tok1879"][QUOTE="eveileb-ekam"]

Its quite obvious that the large majority of people that game couldnt give a rats ass about this website, "professional" review sources, or anything. These sites are made by one demographic for another demographic, and nothing else is represented in that. If you suggets that people that post here are the only "true" gamers, well, thats such a tiny segment of people who play games, its not really worth mentioning.

We are a vocal bunch, but we are in the minority, here.

For the record, my grandma has gone into a gamestop equivilent and browsed the newest game releases. Im not sure how a grandma would buy video games for her console, otherwise.

eveileb-ekam

Okay, apologise, but I read one thing and it seemed to infer that you would believe the opposite was true. Its late here, and Ive been working all day :P

I dont believe it is rare because grandmas who may own Wiis probably do not have a grasp of the internet, and there arent really many options for them to go. Maybe my grandmother is rare - she doesnt shop in a supermarket, so if she wants something, she will go to a specific store to get it.

I wonder what you think my answer was going to be? In honest to god truth, it was for herself and her husband. My grandad has just been diagnosed with alzheimers, so she wanted to get Big Brain Academy for some simple stuff he can do. She also got Wii Sports Resort.

Its probably worth baring in mind that my Grandma is in her early 60s - not old, really, and certainly not a, uh, traditional grandma.

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[QUOTE="tok1879"] How would they not be accepted? Would they be denied a gamespot scrname? Does everyone here share the same tastes in games? There are people here who go nuts over games i couldn't care less for. I said if she did come here, she would be a gamer but in the minority as a gamer, because there are already gamers who share her tastes on gamespot not grandmas on gamespot(it's also funny how you know for certain that grandma's couldn't be on gamespot). When i mentioned gamestop, i was using that as a way to tell if someone actually likes gaming enough to go out to buy one. Regarding your last question, it says that you for sure, are a gamer. But the other people who you know might be gamers(note: in what "I" refer to as gamers).tok1879

They wouldn't be accepted because I post here and see the things people say and its not welcoming at all. I'm not sure why you argue otherwise. This place treats those types of gamers like trash. This thread is all the ammo I need to prove you are denying what you know. (I never said I know there are grandmas either, I haven't said yes or no, only that the environment isn't welcoming). And gamestop is for entuisiests, people buy games at generic places too so why GAMEstop? I can't (or won't even bother anymore) arguing who or who isn't a gamer, I'm saying you are not answering the question when its obvious the point has been made.

Generally speaking nope. You are right, they don't have to be accepted. It would be nice if the commentity get off its high horse and accept everybody but it doesn't need to happen. Didn't see the best by I admit, though I'm not really sure why where you buy your games is important. I mean Gamestop is overpriced :P

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[QUOTE="tok1879"] I never made any such claims. I am not even referring to this website alone. And while taking into consideration everyone including us who visit gaming websites, i'm certain that we are a minority among gamers as a whole. All i am saying is that the people who do visit gaming websites due to their interest in gaming in my definition ARE gamers. I'm not saying that the people who don't are not or are any less of gamers. And i never said it was impossible for grandma to go into a gamestop by a game for her console, i just believe it is very rare. And out of curiosity(i know what your answer's going to be), did your grandma go to gamestop to buy a game for herself or for you?tok1879

Okay, apologise, but I read one thing and it seemed to infer that you would believe the opposite was true. Its late here, and Ive been working all day :P

I dont believe it is rare because grandmas who may own Wiis probably do not have a grasp of the internet, and there arent really many options for them to go. Maybe my grandmother is rare - she doesnt shop in a supermarket, so if she wants something, she will go to a specific store to get it.

I wonder what you think my answer was going to be? In honest to god truth, it was for herself and her husband. My grandad has just been diagnosed with alzheimers, so she wanted to get Big Brain Academy for some simple stuff he can do. She also got Wii Sports Resort.

Its probably worth baring in mind that my Grandma is in her early 60s - not old, really, and certainly not a, uh, traditional grandma.

I guess it just depends on which generation a grandma belongs to. Someone in their 50s or 60s would be more likely to than someone approaching their 90s. My Grandad is a proper technology and sci-fi buff, always has been, so its never been unnatural to find up-to-date stuff in their house.

My Nan did go to GAME, though, which is bigger, whiter and cleaner than other stores. Much more inviting for a lapsed, non or casual gamer. The difference in clientel between GAME and Game Station, for example, is very obvious.

Its just what she is used to. Its not a bad thing. Superstores arent that great, and if you are in town and want a video game, you might as well go to the shop that has GAME in massive letters above it. ;)

Sorry to double post, but I cant believe the amount of off-topic twists and turns this thread has. I dont think anybody has really tackled the TCs major question in an acceptable way, and here we are talking about different types of Grandma, and whether they are allowed on Gamespot. :D

Sorry to double post, but I cant believe the amount of off-topic twists and turns this thread has. I dont think anybody has really tackled the TCs major question in an acceptable way, and here we are talking about different types of Grandma, and whether they are allowed on Gamespot. :D

eveileb-ekam

The question has been answered already. If you read between the lines I think that with all the posts you can see where the problem lies. Now Its just waiting until someone else comes in lol.

[QUOTE="eveileb-ekam"]

Sorry to double post, but I cant believe the amount of off-topic twists and turns this thread has. I dont think anybody has really tackled the TCs major question in an acceptable way, and here we are talking about different types of Grandma, and whether they are allowed on Gamespot. :D

ActicEdge

The question has been answered already. If you read between the lines I think that with all the posts you can see where the problem lies. Now Its just waiting until someone else comes in lol.

All I can see is the usual nonsense about disliking the Wii, not inherently hating it. It seems you said one thing, and everyone read another. I dont know, Im tired and this thread has confused me :P

Someone else?

[QUOTE="eveileb-ekam"]

Sorry to double post, but I cant believe the amount of off-topic twists and turns this thread has. I dont think anybody has really tackled the TCs major question in an acceptable way, and here we are talking about different types of Grandma, and whether they are allowed on Gamespot. :D

ActicEdge

The question has been answered already. If you read between the lines I think that with all the posts you can see where the problem lies. Now Its just waiting until someone else comes in lol.

What "problem" are you talking about? hThere are legit reasons, like the ones I posted last night, that indicate why people are frustrated with the Wii. I don't hate the Wii in the sense that I want it to fail, but I do hate what it has become and what it is today.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="eveileb-ekam"]

Sorry to double post, but I cant believe the amount of off-topic twists and turns this thread has. I dont think anybody has really tackled the TCs major question in an acceptable way, and here we are talking about different types of Grandma, and whether they are allowed on Gamespot. :D

Alpha-Male22

The question has been answered already. If you read between the lines I think that with all the posts you can see where the problem lies. Now Its just waiting until someone else comes in lol.

What "problem" are you talking about? hThere are legit reasons, like the ones I posted last night, that indicate why people are frustrated with the Wii. I don't hate the Wii in the sense that I want it to fail, but I do hate what it has become and what it is today.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="eveileb-ekam"]

Sorry to double post, but I cant believe the amount of off-topic twists and turns this thread has. I dont think anybody has really tackled the TCs major question in an acceptable way, and here we are talking about different types of Grandma, and whether they are allowed on Gamespot. :D

eveileb-ekam

The question has been answered already. If you read between the lines I think that with all the posts you can see where the problem lies. Now Its just waiting until someone else comes in lol.

All I can see is the usual nonsense about disliking the Wii, not inherently hating it. It seems you said one thing, and everyone read another. I dont know, Im tired and this thread has confused me :P

Someone else?

It actually has surprisingly, its a combination of things and this thread actually had some usefulness. The pure hate, the worry, the ration, the third parties, if puy it all together I think I got close to my answer. Only a few more things. Try and go through the thread through each perspective, ignoring the troll ones of course and then put them together almost like a puzzle. Its becoming actually more clear now.

It's because the wii is geared towards kids rather than the teenagers and adults who want something a bit more mature. Thats what the other systems are for. Nintendo wants the Wii to be for everyone but when you get right down to it, its the kids and old people that buy it.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="eveileb-ekam"]

Sorry to double post, but I cant believe the amount of off-topic twists and turns this thread has. I dont think anybody has really tackled the TCs major question in an acceptable way, and here we are talking about different types of Grandma, and whether they are allowed on Gamespot. :D

Alpha-Male22

The question has been answered already. If you read between the lines I think that with all the posts you can see where the problem lies. Now Its just waiting until someone else comes in lol.

What "problem" are you talking about? hThere are legit reasons, like the ones I posted last night, that indicate why people are frustrated with the Wii. I don't hate the Wii in the sense that I want it to fail, but I do hate what it has become and what it is today.

You're angry. And you missed the point of the thread, a lot of people have. Until you stop, read what EVERYONE is saying, forget your hate (I don't care whether you want to say you don't have it) and then look at the broad picture, you may see it. I think I figured it out though.

[QUOTE="tok1879"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

They wouldn't be accepted because I post here and see the things people say and its not welcoming at all. I'm not sure why you argue otherwise. This place treats those types of gamers like trash. This thread is all the ammo I need to prove you are denying what you know. (I never said I know there are grandmas either, I haven't said yes or no, only that the environment isn't welcoming). And gamestop is for entuisiests, people buy games at generic places too so why GAMEstop? I can't (or won't even bother anymore) arguing who or who isn't a gamer, I'm saying you are not answering the question when its obvious the point has been made.

ActicEdge

Generally speaking nope. You are right, they don't have to be accepted. It would be nice if the commentity get off its high horse and accept everybody but it doesn't need to happen. Didn't see the best by I admit, though I'm not really sure why where you buy your games is important. I mean Gamestop is overpriced :P

[QUOTE="eveileb-ekam"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

The question has been answered already. If you read between the lines I think that with all the posts you can see where the problem lies. Now Its just waiting until someone else comes in lol.

ActicEdge

All I can see is the usual nonsense about disliking the Wii, not inherently hating it. It seems you said one thing, and everyone read another. I dont know, Im tired and this thread has confused me :P

Someone else?

It actually has surprisingly, its a combination of things and this thread actually had some usefulness. The pure hate, the worry, the ration, the third parties, if puy it all together I think I got close to my answer. Only a few more things. Try and go through the thread through each perspective, ignoring the troll ones of course and then put them together almost like a puzzle. Its becoming actually more clear now.

[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

The question has been answered already. If you read between the lines I think that with all the posts you can see where the problem lies. Now Its just waiting until someone else comes in lol.

eveileb-ekam

What "problem" are you talking about? hThere are legit reasons, like the ones I posted last night, that indicate why people are frustrated with the Wii. I don't hate the Wii in the sense that I want it to fail, but I do hate what it has become and what it is today.

He and many people in this thread simply aren't listening to the point I and others are making. Many actually get it in there own way, were not all in total agreement but we get it in general. He thinks this thread is about flaws, he is wrong. Until he get's that, he's not relevant to the discussion regardless of what he says.

[QUOTE="Brawl578"]

I can easily say I enjoyed the Wii more than the 360. Honestly the 360 has even LESS good exclusives than the Wii. Some 360 games are so overrated to the point people want to burn the game down (cough*Halo3*cough). The people complaining about the Wii's lack of good exclusives should really take a look at the 360's exclusive line-up before they start bashing lack of exclusives on Wii. Sure, 2010 looks like a pretty good year for the 360, but let's face it, some "exclusives" will end up being ported to the PC or PS3. Bioshock is a fine example. It stayed on the 360 for awhile... then got ported to the PS3.

Ratchet_Fan8

This is one of my absolute favourite Wii-hate rants! Last gen (and this is from what I've read on here since I wasn't around System Wars then) multiplats counted for nothing, and it was all about the exclusives; the exclusive games were the ones that really counted.

Now, and extremely conveniently I might add, all of a sudden this gen mulitplats are invaluable! "The Wii sucks because it doesn't get all the good multiplats!"

Bravo, Naruto!

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="tok1879"] Well, i guess the point is, do they have to be accepted? You and i don't necessarily share the same tastes. Even if you were in the minority, it doesn't mean you can't share your views on this forums. Nobody is going to kick you or anyone out because of their choice of games. The point is We're both here. It's not some exclusive club where entrance is denied. God! And again, i mentioned Gamestop as a place to note an INTEREST in gaming. If you look closely at that post, you would see i included Best Buy as well. See?tok1879

Generally speaking nope. You are right, they don't have to be accepted. It would be nice if the commentity get off its high horse and accept everybody but it doesn't need to happen. Didn't see the best by I admit, though I'm not really sure why where you buy your games is important. I mean Gamestop is overpriced :P

I know, I waan't arguing that part, I see your point now lol. And gamestop did that to my sister, I haven't gone back since.

The games mainly.

There are too few of the good ones. And the majority of them is just too easy.

It's like it's really a console made for casual gamers (even if saying this sounds too cliché).

It's because the wii is geared towards kids rather than the teenagers and adults who want something a bit more mature. Thats what the other systems are for. Nintendo wants the Wii to be for everyone but when you get right down to it, its the kids and old people that buy it.

Hungry_Jello

[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

The question has been answered already. If you read between the lines I think that with all the posts you can see where the problem lies. Now Its just waiting until someone else comes in lol.

ActicEdge

What "problem" are you talking about? hThere are legit reasons, like the ones I posted last night, that indicate why people are frustrated with the Wii. I don't hate the Wii in the sense that I want it to fail, but I do hate what it has become and what it is today.

You're angry. And you missed the point of the thread, a lot of people have. Until you stop, read what EVERYONE is saying, forget your hate (I don't care whether you want to say you don't have it) and then look at the broad picture, you may see it. I think I figured it out though.

If you are going to act as if you found some revelation and then withhold that information, accusing me of anger, then I sincerely doubt you have figured anything. But that's ok. I'm asking you to tell me the point of the thread, but if you don't want to, then I'm done.

I already told you I don't hate the Wii in the strictest use of the term "hate". I can't believe your actually telling me how I feel about it.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="eveileb-ekam"]

All I can see is the usual nonsense about disliking the Wii, not inherently hating it. It seems you said one thing, and everyone read another. I dont know, Im tired and this thread has confused me :P

Someone else?

eveileb-ekam

It actually has surprisingly, its a combination of things and this thread actually had some usefulness. The pure hate, the worry, the ration, the third parties, if puy it all together I think I got close to my answer. Only a few more things. Try and go through the thread through each perspective, ignoring the troll ones of course and then put them together almost like a puzzle. Its becoming actually more clear now.

Just skim lol, no need to fully read, takes about an hour. Anyway, have fun . . . . . sleeping lol.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"]

What "problem" are you talking about? hThere are legit reasons, like the ones I posted last night, that indicate why people are frustrated with the Wii. I don't hate the Wii in the sense that I want it to fail, but I do hate what it has become and what it is today.

Alpha-Male22

You're angry. And you missed the point of the thread, a lot of people have. Until you stop, read what EVERYONE is saying, forget your hate (I don't care whether you want to say you don't have it) and then look at the broad picture, you may see it. I think I figured it out though.

If you are going to act as if you found some revelation and then withhold that information, accusing me of anger, then I sincerely doubt you have figured it out.

I already told you I don't hate the Wii in the strictest use of the term "hate". I can't believe your actually telling me how I feel about it.

No kidding, what the heck Actic let us know since we were all able to contribute to your answer.

TC, if you want, could you please post a follow up thread with your findings from this discussion so we can debate about them?

If it isnt too much work, that is ;) And it will be easier to follow than this mammoth, and it will probably deserve its own topic.

TC, if you want, could you please post a follow up thread with your findings from this discussion so we can debate about them?

If it isnt too much work, that is ;) And it will be easier to follow than this mammoth, and it will probably deserve its own topic.

eveileb-ekam

I'm not doing that and you know why? It will do 2 things

1. My findings are going to piss a lot of people off. The thread will be far worse than this one. I also have no tolerance for trolling which if you read this thread you will see. My moderation history is simply too bad to take a chance on that :P
2. I think anyone who wants to find the answer will. If you want, I'll PM you personally about what I thought anf found.

Might break the record for the system with the most shovel ware in the history of gaming. Few games have any depth. And honestly I don't hate it. But if I didn't own a Xbox 360 and PS3 I would be a true hater! Because I would be so angry with the lack of quality games that actually have some depth. Inferior graphics to Xbox in most games and the lack of quality sports games.

atarigrad

How about instead of complaining about the "shovelware" on the Wii, you actually go do some research? Then you'll actually find out that the Wii has a good amount of quality games out for it!

That goes for anyone else who uses the "shovelware" and "no good games" excuse.

[QUOTE="Razlses"]

I have been reading through the thread and find very funny how ppl bash Wii for his lower specs and great amont of shovelware and praise Ps2...

Ratchet_Fan8

If you looked at the numbers instead of ratios...

Wow. This thread has some good legs.

People hate the Wii because it doesn't have as good graphics as the PS3 or 360. They're graphics ho's.

Everything stems from that.

Wow. This thread has some good legs.

People hate the Wii because it doesn't have as good graphics as the PS3 or 360. They're graphics ho's.

Everything stems from that.

gamecubepad

That is not true at all.

[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

You're angry. And you missed the point of the thread, a lot of people have. Until you stop, read what EVERYONE is saying, forget your hate (I don't care whether you want to say you don't have it) and then look at the broad picture, you may see it. I think I figured it out though.

ActicEdge

If you are going to act as if you found some revelation and then withhold that information, accusing me of anger, then I sincerely doubt you have figured anything. But that's ok. I'm asking you to tell me the point of the thread, but if you don't want to, then I'm done.

I already told you I don't hate the Wii in the strictest use of the term "hate". I can't believe your actually telling me how I feel about it.

No, I just am not playing the game with you anymore because you don't get it. I'm not doing this to be a jerk, I'm doing this because this whole thread I have been discussing an issue that is not about flaws. Some people have come to the conclusion that I was looking for in different ways, you however are just arguing features. What do you want me to say to someone who has already made up there mind that this thread has no point? Explaining it defeats the purpose. If you look, and I mean actually try to look you will find some useful stuff. Even I have left with some useful information that I didn't think I'd gain. All you have done is argue a point that really lacks relevance to my thread and I have no further wish to discuss it with you.

I'd think that if you truly found no relevance to my points you would have told me earlier instead of having you debate me like you did.

You have still yet to make any substantial statement as to what you have "discovered". Of course I don't "get it". I told you I don't get it and asked for clarification. You wish not to give that to me, because "I don't get it". That makes no sense. If I'm to get this right, since I can't see the same light you have, you refuse to acknowledge me.

"What do you want me to say to someone who has already made up there mind that this thread has no point?" I never said I made up mind, which is why I'm asking for clarification. I want you to tell me what this "big picture" is.

"Explaining it defeats the purpose." How convenient.

Your question was why SW hates the Wii.

I argued a point as to why I "hate" the Wii. I fail to see how there is no relevance. You asked a question, and I gave you an answer. You disputed my answer, I disputed back, and then the conversation dropped. I come back a few hours later to find that you have discovered some miraculous answer.

But fine, if you don't want to share your discovery, good day to you.

Edit: And now you are offering to send a PM as to what you have found, despite telling me that it defeats the purpose.

[QUOTE="gamecubepad"]

Wow. This thread has some good legs.

People hate the Wii because it doesn't have as good graphics as the PS3 or 360. They're graphics ho's.

Everything stems from that.

ActicEdge

That is not true at all.

Oh yes, it is.

This is why the Wii doesn't get all the same multiplats and therefore has/had a perceived lack of 3rd party support.

The people who truly "hate" the Wii do so because it doesn't have the power of the other 2 consoles. Have you noticed how many "gfx king ultra#1!1!" type threads there are between the 360 and PS3 fanatics? These are the people who truly hate the Wii. imo of course.:D

Edit: And now you are offering to send a PM as to what you have found, despite telling me that it defeats the purpose.

Alpha-Male22

[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"]

Edit: And now you are offering to send a PM as to what you have found, despite telling me that it defeats the purpose.

ActicEdge

He gets a PM because I refuse to make another thread with my finding because it'll end badly. I'm almost positive he has come to some conclusion. You don't get a PM because you aren't getting what I've been saying the whole thread. Now let me drag you to the posts that makes me refuse to respond. Don't expect a response after it though I will still be in the thread but I'm not debating with you. See if you get why I refuse to tell you anything.

So you favor those who bend to your perceptions and refuse to finish debates you start with me. I don't how you got this "revelation", but seeing that you use it to make others who disagree look ignorant, I don't care for it anymore.

Don't bother finding anything-- if you are simply going to post a few things that show why you refuse to acknowledge me, then tell me that you wont acknowledge me again thereafter, you have already manipulated the situation to make yourself the default winner.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"]

Edit: And now you are offering to send a PM as to what you have found, despite telling me that it defeats the purpose.

Alpha-Male22

He gets a PM because I refuse to make another thread with my finding because it'll end badly. I'm almost positive he has come to some conclusion. You don't get a PM because you aren't getting what I've been saying the whole thread. Now let me drag you to the posts that makes me refuse to respond. Don't expect a response after it though I will still be in the thread but I'm not debating with you. See if you get why I refuse to tell you anything.

And you just missed my edit damn it. Read it, and look for it when it appears. but the tread is over for this.