SW, what is it about the wii that makes so many of you inherently hate it?

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

Which there is plenty of if, you know, do some research...

svetzenlether

I'm just wondering when people started to buy Nintendo consoles based on 3rd party games...have I been missing something for the last 13 years??

You must have missed out on Resident Evil for the gamecube. It's worthing owning the gamecube over alone.

You know whats a blast? Reading Gametrailer comments from that IW episode.

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-"Nintendo is for kiddies.Grow up and get a pair of balls.Man up and move on to the big consoles.That is where the real gamers hang."

-"though I agree with what Marcus said in the end it would still be sad to see Nintendo go as one of the bigshots in gaming industry, eventhough they have themselves to blame.
It kinda reminds me of SEGA in a way, who also should still be a huge contender in the hardware/software business but also lost it due to bad decisions as a gaming company.

-Agreed.

Hopefully the toaster will be put into its grave...as it can only toast one slice of bread at a time."

-"Wow Nintendo is Game Over Bro. Great episode, sony deserve all of this"

-"i was really cheering for nintendo. but i think their time is finally done."

-"Good episode guys, may we all unite to overthrow the tyranny that is know as Nintendo."

-"It does seem like Sony finally decided to just see they were not doing well in sells and have listened to the people of gaming. Now that Microsoft has also decided to change their price Nintendo needs to do something big in order to compete against Sony and Microsoft."

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My GOD, this is alarming.

Its like i'm reading comments made by empty, almost lifeless vessels that just absorb info spewed out by individuals only slightly smarter than them, take it as the unquestioned truth, and build their badly formed "opinions" from there.

Look at all these idiots that act like nintendo is doomed after this random webcast, jesus this is BAD. And apperently the PS3 won the generation already.

I mean...

"I never thought that Nintendo would be on the run already. They really need NSMB Wii to be a hit among casual gamers, or they're in for some trouble."

W...T...F is this ****? How stupid can one be? I dont care if this one is 12 years old, Darwin rolls in his grave anytime one of these successfully contributes to the gene pool.

And you wanna see what a thumbed down comment looks like?

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-"Everyone who's saying Nintendo is done... Take a step back for a second, past the brainwashing of the mainstream gaming media and think about the stupidity of what you are saying.

Wii continues to outsell PS3 and 360 COMBINED almost every week and there is no sign of this trend reversing, especially with Monster Hunter 3 now out in Japan. Not to mention Wii is currently the ONLY console that is profitable in terms of hardware and Software.. Think for a moment, does that really sound like a doomed console to you?"

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smh

[QUOTE="eveileb-ekam"]

Hardly ownage. You start off by dismissing the Wii's line up, and cite a bunch of games as setting the bar this generation, even though they do the same things as last generation, with a shinier coat of paint. All of those games are safe bets.

Old movies may look dated, but they are still relevant. Art house films, stylised films, budget films are all made with the same philosophy as the Wii - they take a value that is not associated with Hollywood style crappy story big budget nonsense, and run with it, contrary to what a lot of other people are doing at the time. Therefore, your analogy is tired and weak.

Do you own a PS3 or an Xbox? If so, why do you use them if you can use the PC? Same argument, after all.

Lets not play list wars, especially not one that is accomanpied by arbitrary review scores by a group of journalist enthusiasts that inherently dont like the Wii.

There is no difference. There are enough games on the Wii to offset the shovelware, unless you are unfortunate enough to be forced to play the likes of Ninja Bread Man. But you are not, so the point is moot. The software on the Wii is worth the entry fee.

And why is that? RE4 is a better control scheme, fact. The Wii does something the other two dont. There is a reason why so many people are upset Umbrella / Darkside Chronicles and Dead Space Extraction are on-rails. Nice to try and dig at the Wii owners for a port of an old game, but the fact is that the Wiimote is a superior controller for those types of games.

You clearly havent played Wii Sports Resort if you feel the control is less than a standard controller for table tennis. I would suggest you form your opinion on actual information and experience next time, before starting to pull things out of your ass.

But, clearly, people dont want a "much more advanced" PS3, otherwise they would be buying it. They want the features available on the Wii, and no amount of storming and nerd raging will change that.

hakanakumono

Videogames are not movies and technology does different things for videogames than movies. With movies big budget means more special effects for things like action movies and the like, but with videogames improvements in technology greatly benefit art games as well because greater graphical capabilities mean greater artistic capabilities. And there are stricter technical limitations when it comes to Videogames. Consider the difference between the PS1 and the PS2.

I think you'd be hard pressed to call a game like LBP the equivalent of a "big budget hollywood production"

It was not me that used that analogy, I only continued it. Greater graphical capabilities CAN mean greater artistic capabilities, but it doesnt necessarily mean it has to. I believe there is a reason most of the niche, artisically different games end up on the Wii, and that has nothing to do with technology. And though you get games like Prince of Persia and Valkyria Chronicles and Street Fighter IV, I find it difficult to believe that a graphical styIe similar to those is difficult to achieve on the machine. Resident Evil 5, and other high profile photo-realistic games, on the other hand...

How are there stricter technical limitations when it comes to videogames over film? There is a lot in video games that cannot be done by film, and yet it is games that follows and takes inspiration from the movie industry.

One game does not negate an entire library of movie-esque games. Everywhere, developers are intent on writing story and plot into their games. Mirrors Edge, Dead Space, RE5, Call of Duty even, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, MGS4, Assassins Creed, Fallout, PoP... name me a game that isnt racing, fighting or sports based that doesnt comply with conventions set by film and early videogames, and I can name you ten that do.

[QUOTE="svetzenlether"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"] You don't need to even do research because anything remotely good on the wii is hyped here in system wars by sheep. The wii 3rd party lineup is really subpar.

hakanakumono

I'm just wondering when people started to buy Nintendo consoles based on 3rd party games...have I been missing something for the last 13 years??

You must have missed out on Resident Evil for the gamecube. It's worthing owning the gamecube over alone.

I never owned a Gamecube. I got the Wii-version, and I agree, it's great. REALLY glad I got the Wii version, too; just the thought of wrestling with a standard controller during that game and it would've probably been thrown against a wall.

Anyway, my point was that it's pretty common knowledge that since the N64 days, Nintendo hasn't had the best track record with 3rd parties for reasons at the start of the N64 era that were mostly their fault. There are always exceptions (Resident Evil games, No More Heroes, Tiger Woods 10, etc.) but people mainly buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games. It's the main reason I got a Wii, and unlike alot of very vocal people in System Wars, mine doesn't collect dust. So the fact that there ARE some quality 3rd party titles for it is a pleasant surprise. Maybe not as many as the other consoles, but it's not a wasteland, either.

Edit: just realized you were talking about the remake of the original RE and not 4. I wasn't a fan of the original. The controls were horrible, and seeing there was no improvement made in that respect to the REmake I figured there was no point. 4 was actually the first RE game I liked.

Came to post some interesting info i read at GAF, regarding how western developers percieve nintendo, by someone who actually saw it first hand (timetokill).

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"Simply put, they don't like Nintendo. They don't play Nintendo games. These are guys who have a massive hard-on for Hollywood and want to be known for "epic, mature" games. That is not what Nintendo is about. The only appreciation you get from these guys is for Zelda because it comes closest to that label, but even as far as that, most of them don't play Zelda anymore. There are developers I know at Sony who constantly trash Mario games.

At EA, roughly 75% of the people I worked with didn't know what "Majora's Mask" was until I told them it was a Zelda game. Even then, I never met anybody who had played the game."

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"I remember when the Wii was first announced, the motion controller and the specs.-- I literally heard "Nintendo just gave up in the console race" and "It's over for Nintendo, Sony won with PS3 already." And: "I doubt we'll make anything for Wii, they're not relevant.The prevailing sentiment was that by abandoning graphics, Nintendo had given up on games."

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"Guys at EA could not wrap their heads around the idea that people wouldn't care about graphics."

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Regarding journalists...

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"My suspicion is that a lot of these journalists and developers are worried that Nintendo was right, that graphics don't matter as much as they'd hoped, and that this is the end of their dream of making "epic, mature" games. These guys really do hate the Wii for making that seem like a possibility. The suggestion that the biggest games in the industry are Wii Sports and Wii Fit is like poison for them. Now they're praying that they were right when they said the Wii was only selling well because it was so cheap.

Anyway, sure it's anecdotal but from my experience it's been pretty consistent from every western developer I've been a part of or talked to."

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Amazing stuff huh?

Western (american) development is being ran by insecure manboys with the same child-like fascination about shiny things as Michael Bay. Take away the expensive CGI and explosions, and you have a run-of-the-mill, short-sighted hack, as smart and educated as the drunk hobo rotting behind your local McDonalds.

I don't hate it,I don't even dislike it.

I nothing it.

That is to say if the Wii had never existed it would pretty much make no difference to my hobby.

What i hate is the community constantly defending it, it is not up to the standards of the other 3 big systems. It's just not. BoloTheGreat

in your opinion.

Came to post some interesting info i read at GAF, regarding how western developers percieve nintendo, by someone who actually saw it first hand (timetokill).

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"Simply put, they don't like Nintendo. They don't play Nintendo games. These are guys who have a massive hard-on for Hollywood and want to be known for "epic, mature" games. That is not what Nintendo is about. The only appreciation you get from these guys is for Zelda because it comes closest to that label, but even as far as that, most of them don't play Zelda anymore. There are developers I know at Sony who constantly trash Mario games.

At EA, roughly 75% of the people I worked with didn't know what "Majora's Mask" was until I told them it was a Zelda game. Even then, I never met anybody who had played the game."

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"I remember when the Wii was first announced, the motion controller and the specs.-- I literally heard "Nintendo just gave up in the console race" and "It's over for Nintendo, Sony won with PS3 already." And: "I doubt we'll make anything for Wii, they're not relevant.The prevailing sentiment was that by abandoning graphics, Nintendo had given up on games."

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"Guys at EA could not wrap their heads around the idea that people wouldn't care about graphics."

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Regarding journalists...

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"My suspicion is that a lot of these journalists and developers are worried that Nintendo was right, that graphics don't matter as much as they'd hoped, and that this is the end of their dream of making "epic, mature" games. These guys really do hate the Wii for making that seem like a possibility. The suggestion that the biggest games in the industry are Wii Sports and Wii Fit is like poison for them. Now they're praying that they were right when they said the Wii was only selling well because it was so cheap.

Anyway, sure it's anecdotal but from my experience it's been pretty consistent from every western developer I've been a part of or talked to."

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Amazing stuff huh?

Western (american) development is being ran by insecure manboys with the same child-like fascination about shiny things as Michael Bay. Take away the expensive CGI and explosions, and you have a run-of-the-mill, short-sighted hack, as smart and educated as the drunk hobo rotting behind your local McDonalds.

Thunderdrone

This is one of those times I'm very glad that I'm Asian :D

Seriously? Can someone already lock this thread already.If someone tries to prove a point,the TC keeps going on and on about it,over 100 posts says about teh wii'z faults and why people hate it. But no,the TC keeps going on and on about,somebody has to lock this damn thread already Ratchet_Fan8

Don't like my thread Naruto, then leave. I know its hard to BELIEVE IT but the thread cannot be locked because I have not broken the terms of use. Sorry, go to a PS3 hype thread if a debate isn't your cup of tea.

What i hate is the community constantly defending it, it is not up to the standards of the other 3 big systems. It's just not. BoloTheGreat

What I hate is that it seems people still don't get why I am doing this. This whole thread almost exactly proves my point. Its not like you are stating it to its end point, if you want to argue flawss, go do it, I'll be there listing too, I however will not defend baseless accusation like the podcast and SW spew and then pretend as if its nothing at all.

What i hate is the community constantly defending it, it is not up to the standards of the other 3 big systems. It's just not. BoloTheGreat

What i hate is the community constantly defending it, it is not up to the standards of the other 3 big systems. It's just not. BoloTheGreat

Honestly Bolo, do you think this is about standards or do you think there is something else? In this thread I have minimally told people they are wrong on there dislike. I am addressing a deeper issue, one that seems few want to. If you want me to go to a corner and accept the wii as inferior to the other 2 sure, this is SW I know the consoles place. If you want me to accept the way the industry acts towards the console, you best leave my thread now because there is no way in hell that will ever happen.

RABicle, youre the first person to get my username. Have a cookie :)

You wont believe hows its been interpreted over PSN. ;)

eveileb-ekam

You can hardly blame a small but vocal community constantly defending it, when the poor machine gets attacked from all angles - fanboys, developers and publishers. All this use of the word "standards" is ridiculous.

The other systems fail in their own ways too, but just because the audience sony introduced with the ps1 doesnt like it, its suddenly not up to scratch. People need to stop being so elitist concerning their hobby. Its great more people get to enjoy it, and its great that simple, fun games are making a return, as they havent had much prominence since the 8 bit / 16 bit days. eveileb-ekam

I dont defend the Wii, i attack elitism behavior and hive mind mentality that force random standards and ideas made by the stupid videogame media down your throat.

Someone doesnt like the Wii? Okay, i dont like alot of things others do, but i dont regard them as inferior beings for not sharing my tastes and opinions, and i'm opened minded and detached from my preferences enough to aknowledge quality on things i dont particularly like, or at least why its enjoyed by so many others.

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"]What i hate is the community constantly defending it, it is not up to the standards of the other 3 big systems. It's just not. ActicEdge

Honestly Bolo, do you think this is about standards or do you think there is something else? In this thread I have minimally told people they are wrong on there dislike. I am addressing a deeper issue, one that seems few want to. If you want me to go to a corner and accept the wii as inferior to the other 2 sure, this is SW I know the consoles place. If you want me to accept the way the industry acts towards the console, you best leave my thread now because there is no way in hell that will ever happen.

[QUOTE="eveileb-ekam"] its not that hard you just inverted the spelling, but then again my warcraft three name was dogmaisurrealnumber5

I know, I didnt think it was that hard either. Until I got people online calling me evil kneival and ekans (which, interestingly, is snake backwards ;) )

[QUOTE="eveileb-ekam"]

You can hardly blame a small but vocal community constantly defending it, when the poor machine gets attacked from all angles - fanboys, developers and publishers. All this use of the word "standards" is ridiculous.

The other systems fail in their own ways too, but just because the audience sony introduced with the ps1 doesnt like it, its suddenly not up to scratch. People need to stop being so elitist concerning their hobby. Its great more people get to enjoy it, and its great that simple, fun games are making a return, as they havent had much prominence since the 8 bit / 16 bit days. Thunderdrone

I dont defend the Wii, i attack elitism behavior and hive mind mentality that force random standards and ideas made by the stupid videogame media down your throat.

Someone doesnt like the Wii? Okay, i dont like alot of things others do, but i dont regard them as inferior beings for not sharing my tastes and opinions, and i'm opened minded and detached from my preferences enough to aknowledge quality on things i dont particularly like, or at least why its enjoyed by so many others.

If only more developers / publishers thought like that.

There are reasons and many of the GT comments, though harsh, were right on the money.

BoloTheGreat

You really think any of these comments right on the money?

-"Nintendo is for kiddies.Grow up and get a pair of balls.Man up and move on to the big consoles.That is where the real gamers hang."

-Hopefully the toaster will be put into its grave...as it can only toast one slice of bread at a time."

-"Good episode guys, may we all unite to overthrow the tyranny that is know as Nintendo."

Don't get me wrong, some people had some honest and accurate comments, but a lot of this is just hyperbole.

Wow :o

This thread posting is massive and I can't believe I read them all! I think I deserve a cookie ;)

Anyway, I am amazed how much one console that is 'different' than the others can generate so much hate.

All of these are going to be true statements, and I do not have any intention of inciting a fanboy war, or flaimg or anything else whatsoever:

1. The Wii is chock full of shovelware andcrappy games that shouldn't even be sold, and yet manage to become million sellers.

2. The Wii has all those stupid one game use accessories no one gives a damn about.

3. The Wii is "underpowered," which, strangely enough, seems to account for something in this era of HD wars.

4. It has underutilised potential. To an extent, Nintendo themselves are to blame for this.

5. No quality control on Nintendo's part means the console's library is flooded with flimsy titles.

6. No shooters.

7. No percieved hardcore games (I think that to the superfluous gamer today, points 6 and 7 are one and the same).

8. The Wii misses out on most multiplats.

9. Motion control on the Wii, until now and with few exceptions, has been shoddy at best.

10. Let's face it, nobody expected Nintendo to succeeded- they were all caught off guard, and made to look like fools. This is how they choose to retaliate.

You know whats a blast? Reading Gametrailer comments from that IW episode.

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-"Nintendo is for kiddies.Grow up and get a pair of balls.Man up and move on to the big consoles.That is where the real gamers hang."

-"though I agree with what Marcus said in the end it would still be sad to see Nintendo go as one of the bigshots in gaming industry, eventhough they have themselves to blame.
It kinda reminds me of SEGA in a way, who also should still be a huge contender in the hardware/software business but also lost it due to bad decisions as a gaming company.

-Agreed.

Hopefully the toaster will be put into its grave...as it can only toast one slice of bread at a time."

-"Wow Nintendo is Game Over Bro. Great episode, sony deserve all of this"

-"i was really cheering for nintendo. but i think their time is finally done."

-"Good episode guys, may we all unite to overthrow the tyranny that is know as Nintendo."

-"It does seem like Sony finally decided to just see they were not doing well in sells and have listened to the people of gaming. Now that Microsoft has also decided to change their price Nintendo needs to do something big in order to compete against Sony and Microsoft."

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My GOD, this is alarming.

Its like i'm reading comments made by empty, almost lifeless vessels that just absorb info spewed out by individuals only slightly smarter than them, take it as the unquestioned truth, and build their badly formed "opinions" from there.

Look at all these idiots that act like nintendo is doomed after this random webcast, jesus this is BAD. And apperently the PS3 won the generation already.

I mean...

"I never thought that Nintendo would be on the run already. They really need NSMB Wii to be a hit among casual gamers, or they're in for some trouble."

W...T...F is this ****? How stupid can one be? I dont care if this one is 12 years old, Darwin rolls in his grave anytime one of these successfully contributes to the gene pool.

And you wanna see what a thumbed down comment looks like?

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-"Everyone who's saying Nintendo is done... Take a step back for a second, past the brainwashing of the mainstream gaming media and think about the stupidity of what you are saying.

Wii continues to outsell PS3 and 360 COMBINED almost every week and there is no sign of this trend reversing, especially with Monster Hunter 3 now out in Japan. Not to mention Wii is currently the ONLY console that is profitable in terms of hardware and Software.. Think for a moment, does that really sound like a doomed console to you?"

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smh

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"]

There are reasons and many of the GT comments, though harsh, were right on the money.

goblaa

You really think any of these comments right on the money?

-"Nintendo is for kiddies.Grow up and get a pair of balls.Man up and move on to the big consoles.That is where the real gamers hang."

-Hopefully the toaster will be put into its grave...as it can only toast one slice of bread at a time."

-"Good episode guys, may we all unite to overthrow the tyranny that is know as Nintendo."

Don't get me wrong, some people had some honest and accurate comments, but a lot of this is just hyperbole.

I think the reason it gets so much hate is the extreme and undeserved love it gets from nintendo fans, seriously, did you think people just woke up one day and said to themselves: "Hey! let's start hating the Wii and nintendo!" ?? I mean in terms of game library, I don't see how the Wii is so different from the gamecube, yet it gets so much more love, why?? because of the sales?.

In almost every thread, a single "lol wii sucks it has no games" fanboy comment will make %90 of sheep on this forum reply to that post with big list of upcoming japanese games that they copy pasted from neogaf, most of which they have never heard about. most of the time the list isn't nearly as impressive as they make it out to be. IMO the fact that sheep are too defensive is another reason the Wii gets so much hate.

I think the reason it gets so much hate is the extreme and undeserved love it gets from nintendo fans, seriously, did you think people just woke up one day and said to themselves: "Hey! let's start hating the Wii and nintendo!" ?? I mean in terms of game library, I don't see how the Wii is so different from the gamecube, yet it gets so much more love, why?? because of the sales?.

In almost every thread, a single "lol wii sucks it has no games" fanboy comment will make %90 of sheep on this forum reply to that post with big list of upcoming japanese games that they copy pasted from neogaf, most of which they have never heard about. most of the time the list isn't nearly as impressive as they make it out to be. IMO the fact that sheep are too defensive is another reason the Wii gets so much hate.

qewrewq

We post those lists to prove that the fanboy in question is making **** up. Anyways, why does it matter if the games are Japanese? Does that suddenly make them have lower quality than Western developers? What are you trying to say here?

[QUOTE="qewrewq"]

I think the reason it gets so much hate is the extreme and undeserved love it gets from nintendo fans, seriously, did you think people just woke up one day and said to themselves: "Hey! let's start hating the Wii and nintendo!" ?? I mean in terms of game library, I don't see how the Wii is so different from the gamecube, yet it gets so much more love, why?? because of the sales?.

In almost every thread, a single "lol wii sucks it has no games" fanboy comment will make %90 of sheep on this forum reply to that post with big list of upcoming japanese games that they copy pasted from neogaf, most of which they have never heard about. most of the time the list isn't nearly as impressive as they make it out to be. IMO the fact that sheep are too defensive is another reason the Wii gets so much hate.

shoryuken_

We post those lists to prove that the fanboy in question is making **** up. Anyways, why does it matter if the games are Japanese? Does that suddenly make them have lower quality than Western developers? What are you trying to say here?

nope, it doesn't matter much, aside from the fact that some of these games may never come to states, anyway that wasn't my point, try reading the rest of my post..

also, I bet most sheep that hyped MH3 here never played it before and never had interest in it until it was announced to a nintendo console, isn't that kinda funny? sometimes it's like you guys are desperate for a good game announcement.

[QUOTE="shoryuken_"]

[QUOTE="qewrewq"]

I think the reason it gets so much hate is the extreme and undeserved love it gets from nintendo fans, seriously, did you think people just woke up one day and said to themselves: "Hey! let's start hating the Wii and nintendo!" ?? I mean in terms of game library, I don't see how the Wii is so different from the gamecube, yet it gets so much more love, why?? because of the sales?.

In almost every thread, a single "lol wii sucks it has no games" fanboy comment will make %90 of sheep on this forum reply to that post with big list of upcoming japanese games that they copy pasted from neogaf, most of which they have never heard about. most of the time the list isn't nearly as impressive as they make it out to be. IMO the fact that sheep are too defensive is another reason the Wii gets so much hate.

We post those lists to prove that the fanboy in question is making **** up. Anyways, why does it matter if the games are Japanese? Does that suddenly make them have lower quality than Western developers? What are you trying to say here?

nope, it doesn't matter much, aside from the fact that some of these games may never come to states, anyway that wasn't my point, try reading the rest of my post..

also, I bet most sheep that hyped MH3 here never played it before and never had interest in it until it was announced to a nintendo console, isn't that kinda funny? sometimes it's like you guys are desperate for a good game announcement.

I think the reason it gets so much hate is the extreme and undeserved love it gets from nintendo fans, seriously, did you think people just woke up one day and said to themselves: "Hey! let's start hating the Wii and nintendo!" ?? I mean in terms of game library, I don't see how the Wii is so different from the gamecube, yet it gets so much more love, why?? because of the sales?.

In almost every thread, a single "lol wii sucks it has no games" fanboy comment will make %90 of sheep on this forum reply to that post with big list of upcoming japanese games that they copy pasted from neogaf, most of which they have never heard about. most of the time the list isn't nearly as impressive as they make it out to be. IMO the fact that sheep are too defensive is another reason the Wii gets so much hate.

qewrewq

You are looking at the situation wrong. The Wii gets extra hate because its the market leader AND its a Nintendo console - it appears to get extra love from Nintendo fans because it gets attacked more, therefore they respond more.

People didnt wake up one day and hate the Wii. Developers, publishers and "hardcore" gamers have hated Nintendo since the end of the SNES's lifecycle (some even beforehand). The Wii was written off when it was announced by nearly everyone, then it bit back. Thats why there is such a large backlash against the machine, and why there appears to be more support for it.

I dont like fanboys of any kind, but you can hardly attack that 90% of sheep that start list wars without acknowledging that the comment "lol wii sucks it has no games" is stupid and deserves to be attacked equally.

Its no wonder Wii users are so defensive, when the entire industry irrationally hates the machine and is determined to not acknowledge its success, whatever the cost (Free Radical, Grin and Factor 5).

[QUOTE="qewrewq"]

I think the reason it gets so much hate is the extreme and undeserved love it gets from nintendo fans, seriously, did you think people just woke up one day and said to themselves: "Hey! let's start hating the Wii and nintendo!" ?? I mean in terms of game library, I don't see how the Wii is so different from the gamecube, yet it gets so much more love, why?? because of the sales?.

In almost every thread, a single "lol wii sucks it has no games" fanboy comment will make %90 of sheep on this forum reply to that post with big list of upcoming japanese games that they copy pasted from neogaf, most of which they have never heard about. most of the time the list isn't nearly as impressive as they make it out to be. IMO the fact that sheep are too defensive is another reason the Wii gets so much hate.

eveileb-ekam

You are looking at the situation wrong. The Wii gets extra hate because its the market leader AND its a Nintendo console - it appears to get extra love from Nintendo fans because it gets attacked more, therefore they respond more.

People didnt wake up one day and hate the Wii. Developers, publishers and "hardcore" gamers have hated Nintendo since the end of the SNES's lifecycle (some even beforehand). The Wii was written off when it was announced by nearly everyone, then it bit back. Thats why there is such a large backlash against the machine, and why there appears to be more support for it.

I dont like fanboys of any kind, but you can hardly attack that 90% of sheep that start list wars without acknowledging that the comment "lol wii sucks it has no games" is stupid and deserves to be attacked equally.

Its no wonder Wii users are so defensive, when the entire industry irrationally hates the machine and is determined to not acknowledge its success, whatever the cost (Free Radical, Grin and Factor 5).

Lack of third party support and arguably first party support as well. It's like nintendo isn't even trying anymore. It's quite sad really.

Trinners

All of these are going to be true statements, and I do not have any intention of inciting a fanboy war, or flaimg or anything else whatsoever:

1. The Wii is chock full of shovelware andcrappy games that shouldn't even be sold, and yet manage to become million sellers.

2. The Wii has all those stupid one game use accessories no one gives a damn about.

3. The Wii is "underpowered," which, strangely enough, seems to account for something in this era of HD wars.

4. It has underutilised potential. To an extent, Nintendo themselves are to blame for this.

5. No quality control on Nintendo's part means the console's library is flooded with flimsy titles.

6. No shooters.

7. No percieved hardcore games (I think that to the superfluous gamer today, points 6 and 7 are one and the same).

8. The Wii misses out on most multiplats.

9. Motion control on the Wii, until now and with few exceptions, has been shoddy at best.

10. Let's face it, nobody expected Nintendo to succeeded- they were all caught off guard, and made to look like fools. This is how they choose to retaliate.

charizard1605

That post is wrong in so many ways.

I think a lot of the hate comes from the fact that the success of the Wii has proven them wrong. By traditional standards, the Wii should have been left in the dust. Afterall, how many people said "No HD? Limited online? Last-gen tech? This thing will never sell." Yet it did sell, and sold so well that it surpassed the other consoles like they were standing still. Same thing goes for software. Wii Sports Resort, Wii Fit, Wii Play, people are buying them, and people are enjoying them. No matter how many times someone goes "b-b-but GTA4 got a 10, don't you see how much better is is than Wii Fit." Face it, no one likes to be repeatedly shown that they are wrong.

Yes the Wii has a lot of faults, but it also has a lot of things going for it that people want to overlook. I don't see how any of the consolse have more variety then the Wii. There are so many unique games that just aren't making it to or working for the 360/PS3. Yet we're still stuck on "Wii isn't getting Batman:AA" or "Ha ha look at the poor CoD port a year late."

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I think the reason it gets so much hate is the extreme and undeserved love it gets from nintendo fans, seriously, did you think people just woke up one day and said to themselves: "Hey! let's start hating the Wii and nintendo!" ?? I mean in terms of game library, I don't see how the Wii is so different from the gamecube, yet it gets so much more love, why?? because of the sales?.

In almost every thread, a single "lol wii sucks it has no games" fanboy comment will make %90 of sheep on this forum reply to that post with big list of upcoming japanese games that they copy pasted from neogaf, most of which they have never heard about. most of the time the list isn't nearly as impressive as they make it out to be. IMO the fact that sheep are too defensive is another reason the Wii gets so much hate.

eveileb-ekam

You are looking at the situation wrong. The Wii gets extra hate because its the market leader AND its a Nintendo console - it appears to get extra love from Nintendo fans because it gets attacked more, therefore they respond more.

People didnt wake up one day and hate the Wii. Developers, publishers and "hardcore" gamers have hated Nintendo since the end of the SNES's lifecycle (some even beforehand). The Wii was written off when it was announced by nearly everyone, then it bit back. Thats why there is such a large backlash against the machine, and why there appears to be more support for it.

I dont like fanboys of any kind, but you can hardly attack that 90% of sheep that start list wars without acknowledging that the comment "lol wii sucks it has no games" is stupid and deserves to be attacked equally.

Its no wonder Wii users are so defensive, when the entire industry irrationally hates the machine and is determined to not acknowledge its success, whatever the cost (Free Radical, Grin and Factor 5).

How about this; It just plain sucks. There's a well reasoned unbias argument for you :PBoloTheGreat

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There are reasons and many of the GT comments, though harsh, were right on the money.

BoloTheGreat

You really think any of these comments right on the money?

-"Nintendo is for kiddies.Grow up and get a pair of balls.Man up and move on to the big consoles.That is where the real gamers hang."

-Hopefully the toaster will be put into its grave...as it can only toast one slice of bread at a time."

-"Good episode guys, may we all unite to overthrow the tyranny that is know as Nintendo."

Don't get me wrong, some people had some honest and accurate comments, but a lot of this is just hyperbole.

The number of unappealing games on the wii greatly outweigh the number of interesting ones... that about sums up my distaste for the wii...

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"]What i hate is the community constantly defending it, it is not up to the standards of the other 3 big systems. It's just not. eveileb-ekam

Exactly. Microsoft's quality control "standards" have failed this time around...

It only has a handful of must have games, and Nintendo has been pretty absent with their big titles for most of the last 3 years. And its not getting any better until next year (hopefully).

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"]How about this; It just plain sucks. There's a well reasoned unbias argument for you :PActicEdge

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[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"]How about this; It just plain sucks. There's a well reasoned unbias argument for you :PAlpha-Male22

I did get my answer or atleast part of it but hardly from what you or many other posters typed. That was really just a waste of my time honestly. If people still do not understand the point, I have nowishto tell them. If you don't get it, don't bother me with this trivial question, it was not a hard question. I found my answer another way though so there was some worth, just not as initially planned. And I have not challenged the positions of other posters, I am trying to provide a different perspective to look at. People see this as challenge but not once in this thread have I said you are wrong for not liking the system. Not once.

Edit: I really do get sick of certain posters however not even reading and trying to understands what I'm saying. Where I'm taking the convo. The point is not to make people think like me. Its not to say Nintendo is perfect, its not even to say that I think the wii is worth owning but it appears like I say one thing people don't like and they're all pissed off. Asking for the thread to be locked, telling me I'm not listening when I have read every single post in this thread and have tried to respond to everyone. If you people don't enjoy what I'm doing, report me, but don't bother me with posts like this, I'm not apt to be nice if you don't even try to understand the point. And this post was not just about SW.

I have no idea where to start here. Some of the "dislikes" that people have for the Wii in this thread are so false and uneducated...just wow. This is somewhat overwhelming.NinjaDuckling

The dislikes are fine, they just aren't the point of the thread.

[QUOTE="NinjaDuckling"]I have no idea where to start here. Some of the "dislikes" that people have for the Wii in this thread are so false and uneducated...just wow. This is somewhat overwhelming.ActicEdge

The dislikes are fine, they just aren't the point of the thread.

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[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"]How about this; It just plain sucks. There's a well reasoned unbias argument for you :PAlpha-Male22

Oh this thread got an answer alright, it didnt paint a flattering image of those who did the answering, but its there.