SW, what is it about the wii that makes so many of you inherently hate it?

all of there games are easy, boring, and just not fun to play at all. Any good ps3/360 game ends up being a rail shooter port or just a horrible port. Very generic, and very casual oriented gaming.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

Hmmm I'm really tired so all I'll say is that sure it's hated, probably more so than any other console at this point in time but that probably stems from the fact Nintendo seems to be content with the lack of quality titles the Wii has been recieving compared to the competition.

They just don't seem serious about reaching that "hardcore" audience because well they're banking so what's the point in pleasing the people on these forums for? So of course it's gonna get quite a bit of hate AND at the same time over shadowed by the PS3 and 360.

W1NGMAN-

You can't force third parties to develop for you. They have to want to work with you before you can actually start to have some relattion going on and that's where Nintendo can't win. Let me get a former post that highlights the problem (because I'm actually passionate about the issue)

On why third parties dislike the wii:

"It does. They inherently want the thing to fail because there tastes and talents are insulted by the Wii. The Wii proved that you can be successful without third parties, without tech and without cinimatic gaming. Things the industry holds dear. They don't want to be a part of that now and they didn't want to be part of it back then. Hence the poured all resources into other systems and when the wii became the success itis today they had nothing left. They built there userbases elsewhere, they din't establish a brand, that spent millions in tech. They can't throw it all to waste now and bar a big third party game, the wii userbase has been alienated to the point where they truly don't care for smaller titles. Those will sell fine but they won't be the next COD or anything abd that's what these publishers and devs want to make. That is there passion and focus, its admirable and sad at the same time but that's reality."

You can't fight that perception, if you are talking of Nintendo's own games nothing has changed except its expanded more.

I don't know I just look at Sony and see how much effort they've been putting when it comes to their first party titles, their online service... I'm sure if the two companies switched positions it would be a different story but still I would like to see Nintendo try and revamp their online service and quit giving us BS comments like "people don't like gaming online because they don't like losing" or some crap like that...

All in all Nintendo isn't delivering for the people on this forum, when it comes to their gaming library and online service. Until these things change, the Wii will continue to be ignored in SWs.

I agree to some extent. However the opening is addressing the hate of the wii, not the flaws. If you want to talk flaws, IU'll make a thread and list every last thing about the wii that pisses me off but that doesn't excuse the type of comments on SW and that podcast. That is what this thread is getting at.

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

You can't force third parties to develop for you. They have to want to work with you before you can actually start to have some relattion going on and that's where Nintendo can't win. Let me get a former post that highlights the problem (because I'm actually passionate about the issue)

On why third parties dislike the wii:

"It does. They inherently want the thing to fail because there tastes and talents are insulted by the Wii. The Wii proved that you can be successful without third parties, without tech and without cinimatic gaming. Things the industry holds dear. They don't want to be a part of that now and they didn't want to be part of it back then. Hence the poured all resources into other systems and when the wii became the success itis today they had nothing left. They built there userbases elsewhere, they din't establish a brand, that spent millions in tech. They can't throw it all to waste now and bar a big third party game, the wii userbase has been alienated to the point where they truly don't care for smaller titles. Those will sell fine but they won't be the next COD or anything abd that's what these publishers and devs want to make. That is there passion and focus, its admirable and sad at the same time but that's reality."

You can't fight that perception, if you are talking of Nintendo's own games nothing has changed except its expanded more.

ActicEdge

I don't know I just look at Sony and see how much effort they've been putting when it comes to their first party titles, their online service... I'm sure if the two companies switched positions it would be a different story but still I would like to see Nintendo try and revamp their online service and quit giving us BS comments like "people don't like gaming online because they don't like losing" or some crap like that...

All in all Nintendo isn't delivering for the people on this forum, when it comes to their gaming library and online service. Until these things change, the Wii will continue to be ignored in SWs.

I agree to some extent. However the opening is addressing the hate of the wii, not the flaws. If you want to talk flaws, IU'll make a thread and list every last thing about the wii that pisses me off but that doesn't excuse the type of comments on SW and that podcast. That is what this thread is getting at.

Yea but when one of your flaws is your gaming library how do you expect it not to recieve hate on a GAMING forum? It goes hand in hand.

Yea but when one of your flaws is your gaming library how do you expect it not to recieve hate on a GAMING forum? It goes hand in hand.W1NGMAN-

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="subrosian"] It's spelled "insight" ( incite literally means to "spur" or "push" - as in "to incite war" ) and if you're going to mock people for their opinions, why bother soliciting them?subrosian

Yes, I picked that up by another poster. I'm also not playing the game of spelling. I am not perfect, I make grammatical errors but I also want to have a thoughtful debate and if your intention is to troll my thread (I'm really not interested whether the mods want to suspend me or punish me) I'm gonna call it out. Do you have a problem with that? Take it to the mods, I'll take my punishment.

When I said troll my thread I was not refering to you, I was refering to general posters. Its apparent when the goal is to troll and when the goal is to disagree.

As for my harsh tone, that's just the way I post. I'm not nice when the person I debate with isn't here to discuss. It seems harsh and it is harsh but that's just the way I do my posts. I also am curious as to why everyone has access to my posting history. I thought I was on private. Anyway . . . I wouldn't call myself a smart poster, I would call myself someone who doesn't want to say something that will bite me in the butt later which is why I like to fact check.

However I feel as though you haven't read the whole thread because I make several points that are not my own opinion. I like the wii but I make no claims to tell others the same. In the opening I criticize the wiimote. I have a long list of things I think Nintendo needs to improve. I also understand why people dislike the system, what I don't understand is the media perception from the press. Its just boggling to me. I'm willing to discuss though. (in a new thread perhaps, I dislike the size of this one)

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]Yea but when one of your flaws is your gaming library how do you expect it not to recieve hate on a GAMING forum? It goes hand in hand.IronBass

Oh I don't know, some people take this crap too seriously.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

I don't know I just look at Sony and see how much effort they've been putting when it comes to their first party titles, their online service... I'm sure if the two companies switched positions it would be a different story but still I would like to see Nintendo try and revamp their online service and quit giving us BS comments like "people don't like gaming online because they don't like losing" or some crap like that...

All in all Nintendo isn't delivering for the people on this forum, when it comes to their gaming library and online service. Until these things change, the Wii will continue to be ignored in SWs.

W1NGMAN-

I agree to some extent. However the opening is addressing the hate of the wii, not the flaws. If you want to talk flaws, IU'll make a thread and list every last thing about the wii that pisses me off but that doesn't excuse the type of comments on SW and that podcast. That is what this thread is getting at.

Yea but when one of your flaws is your gaming library how do you expect it not to recieve hate on a GAMING forum? It goes hand in hand.

Out of shear curiousity, did you infact read the opening? There is "hate", (dislike, disappointment, etc) and then there is HATE (the podcasts, the constant developer bashing, the attacks, the knee jerk attacks etc). I'm not sure if you understand what I'm really getting at and if you did read the opening then next time I need to be more clear it seems.

Oh I don't know, some people take this crap too seriously.W1NGMAN-

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]It also tends to be a sign that you will be ban shortly :(IronBass

Wait, when did SMR get ban? This sucks.

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]Oh I don't know, some people take this crap too seriously.IronBass

Wait those quotes are from gametrailers?! I thought they were SW fanboys :|, wow....I gotta watch to see for myself.

Wait, when did SMR get ban? This sucks.ActicEdge

Waggle, 90% of the library and the fans who can't get over their lifelong loyalty to Nintendo.

Rob-Belmont

Waggle, 90% of the library and the fans who can't get over their lifelong loyalty to Nintendo.Rob-Belmont

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]Oh I don't know, some people take this crap too seriously.W1NGMAN-

Wait those quotes are from gametrailers?! I thought they were SW fanboys :|, wow....I gotta watch to see for myself.

Generally speaking, that is the point of why I made this thread. If it was only SW I wouldn't bother.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]Wait, when did SMR get ban? This sucks.IronBass

That's disappointing, I don't honestly see why he would be ban. I guess its just a compilation of moderations I guess.

Easy. You can't show your tru skillz using motion controls :P Personally, I love Wii. It made gaming feel fresh again. Honestly, I felt so dissapointed when I took my 360 home on launch day and played Perfect Dark Zero. Nothing had changed. Woo! Shaders! :roll:

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]It also tends to be a sign that you will be ban shortly :(ActicEdge

Wait, when did SMR get ban? This sucks.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]Wait, when did SMR get ban? This sucks.IronBass

SMR. Whats that stand for?Shinobishyguy

He told me once. The names of his pets, I think.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="IronBass"] Just be very careful with what you post. GUFU has lost some very good members lately (SMR R.I.P. ), and I really don't want to lose you.Cherokee_Jack

Wait, when did SMR get ban? This sucks.

Its actually how SW works. SW has an actually awesome community of posters and I actually find gamespot to be a great and inviting community. However the TOU are somthing I don't agree with. It doesn't encourage positivity when good posters are ban and trolls who are clever about the TOU aren't. If you compare SW to neogaf on a moderation level te difference is, you go to Neogaf to be part of the communtiy and not cause problems and annoy or you will be ban. In SW, you don't nned to do anything but not break the TOU which are flawed. Trolling is fine, even when its obvious and calling it out labels you as the troll as long as the TOU were danced aroud carefully. Its clear that some of the crap that happens in SW would be blatant banishment anywhere else. I really think the TOU need work.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]SMR. Whats that stand for?IronBass

He told me once. The names of his pets, I think.

I thought it was the first name of his siblings?

As for my harsh tone, that's just the way I post...It seems harsh and it is harsh but that's just the way I do my posts.

ActicEdge

Arctic is cold.

I thought it was the first name of his siblings?ActicEdge

He just told me via IRC:

S= Saad, the name of his worm (don't ask why he has a worm as pet).

M= Martine, the name of his cat

R= Robert, for his dog.

I find it kinda cute.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]I thought it was the first name of his siblings?IronBass

He just told me via IRC:

S= Saad, the name of his worm (don't ask why he has a worm as pet).

M= Martine, the name of his cat

R= Robert, for his dog.

I find it kinda cute.

Its different for sure I would say. Pretty cool.

I originally intended to buy the system. Then I looked at it's library and actually played the damn thing.

1. The controls are awkward and the novelty of motion controls wears of quickly. I'd rather buy a Nintendo system with a standard controller than keep that mess in my "collection."

2. I honestly think that the majority of AA titles available for the system look more like A titles and would have scored A if on other consoles, especially the PS2 last gen.

3. I think the motion controls actually limit gameplay because they're not actually capable of replicating the depth of a standard button controller with the motion technology. What we end up having is simpler games ... with motion!

The Wii has some HUGE endemic flaws with the System it's self;

On-Line

The curret itteration of the on-line service is woefully inadeiquite even when compared to over a decade ago on the PC. Since the inception of the wordl wide internet we have moved beyond the use if IP adress linkages, the Wii uses a system alost identical to them. Freind codes. They are the biggest step back in terms of on-line in console histoy, I honesly think the dreamcast had a better system in places, the PS2 certainly. Just becuase Ninendo is incapable of making an on-line service does not me we should just shut up about it. Online gaming growth is the biggest thing to happen this generation, just look at games like L4D and RE5 and you will see the shift in focus of many titles, hell even singleplayer focused games like STALKER have a half decent on-line componant.

The on-line has not been developed since the launch of the Wii in any meaningful way, This is made worse by it being practically crippled in the first place, before we strart with anything else at least PSN has shown some Major development and LIVE has continuted to become for slick, feature filled and user freindly, Nintendo has just bot bothered at all, there is no excuse for it being in such an almost unuseable state.

Graphics/ Features

The Wii lacks the graphical capbilities of the other systems, it has show it's self to be on about a par with the original X-Box when it comes to visuals. This last generatoin graphical performace has caused little development in grpahics from the Game Cube and mean most Wii games lack the Scope, Scale and sheer head ****ing immersion of HD games. It also is horrific to look at in many cases, Graphics are eye candy and i after a development like we have seen on the PS3/360/PC of amazing looking titles it;s hard to go back to something that looks like the last generation.

Graphics are not just Eye candy either, people forget that technical prowess leads to;

• Better Pysics for more interactive enviroments/ more adaptive gameplay
• More emines on screen, we learned this the hard way with Dead Rising, the Wii simply lacks the ability to render the large ammont of enimes seen in other games
• More objects on screen; the phyical barrier of how big an envorment can be is painfully clear on the Wii, Scope is almost non exixitant.
• Immersion; Anyone who has played Dead Space, STALKER hell even HL2 will tell you how immisive a well presented world can be, it's one of the thing i look for in a game and on the Wii it nowhere near as effective.
• Cinematic gaming, a buzz word i know but it has added a whole new dimension to games this generation, Mass Effect was a prime example of this cimenatic feel only really possinbe on the higher powered systems. The Wii misses this boat.

The Wii lacks the ability to do many things the 360/PS3 can do like play DVDs, stream movies, see freinds of freinds, propper voive chat, hell everthing live and PSN do outside of playing games without a freaking code!

and we hav't even touched on the Wiimote and the biggest issue; the library.

BoloTheGreat

I tried to play it and I don't like it. I tried plenty of high end exclusives.

TP just made me think of playing OoT, which was actually fun.

MP3 got really, really boring about an hour in.

I also tried multiplats but lets face it: I tried playing multiplats on the Wii. I deserved it.

i dont think there is "hate". people just have "preference".

i dont think there is "hate". people just have "preference".

boybrushdred

Naw, that podcast was hate.

[QUOTE="boybrushdred"]

i dont think there is "hate". people just have "preference".

ActicEdge

Naw, that podcast was hate.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="boybrushdred"]

i dont think there is "hate". people just have "preference".

NinjaDuckling

Naw, that podcast was hate.

I think so too but apparently that isn't common concencus around here.

it is about trying to find why there is an inherent and intense hatred for it by everyone but the people buying it.

ActicEdge

Actually, I have found that even the people buying it tend to develope this hate for it also :?

You see them all the time in SW, the Wii Section of this site, and other gaming sites just bashing away at their wii's for "collecting dust", "crappy 3rd party support", "horrible online experience", and the ever so popular "not enough zelda/mario/starfox/(insert 1st party ninty title), ect.

I truley believe Ninty reached its goal and audience (like you mentioned on the first page in a response), the only thing is alot of those people aren't exactly the ones to be posting in gaming sites if you know what I mean ;)

Don't expect the wii hate to end any time soon or ever for that fact!

[QUOTE="DPhunkT"]It's funny because I grew up with all Nintendo consoles, NES, SNES, N64. I don't "hate" it. It's good for families with children. As a mature adult gamer, I just think about 95% of the gaming library is complete garbage. Thunderdrone

Congratulations Mature Adult Gamer(tm), you grew up enjoying garbage.

You are joking, right?

Back to discussion again.

What people don't realize about the library is that NOT ALL THE GAMES ARE FOR THEM. Unlike Microsoft and Sony, Nintendo makes games for a larger crowd instead of just teenage boys and young men. They don't expect a hardcore gamer to play a pet simulator. If you want a wider variety of "mature" games, then don't buy the Wii, and get another console which is more suitable for your taste. If you like a mix between the traditional Nintendo series and all those M games, then buy both.

So technically the library isn't "garbage," it doesn't suit your taste. There is a difference.

Even us Nintendo fanboys feel the slightest amount of hate towards the games meant for people other than us, but it is just something we have to live with.

The generation after us needs to start somewhere, and it is probably not good to start with a rated M FPShooter. That is why the Wii is better for them, and does not suit most of our tastes.

I love (I'm in a trippy mood right now.) all consoles and my PC. I understand the hate for the Wii though, it's simple enough. The third party support has been pretty weak at best, and it's largely because of developers reluctance to develop for the console, which meansalot of the Wii userbase looking for good third party titles come out disapointed and because they see no one else to blame they blame Nintendo, despite the fact they are just doing what they allways have as well as they allways have. Other fanboys take advantage of this and blow things out of proportion to the point where they can make a total joke out of the Wii. The Nintendo fanbase then slip away from System Wars because the titles released on the Wii and other consoles are completely diffrent. Basically it's an easy target. There are great games on the Wii though, and the jokes on them because they miss out on them. You wont seemany fanboys playing quality titles like Zack and Wiki.

The Wii has some HUGE endemic flaws with the System it's self;

On-Line

The curret itteration of the on-line service is woefully inadeiquite even when compared to over a decade ago on the PC. Since the inception of the wordl wide internet we have moved beyond the use if IP adress linkages, the Wii uses a system alost identical to them. Freind codes. They are the biggest step back in terms of on-line in console histoy, I honesly think the dreamcast had a better system in places, the PS2 certainly. Just becuase Ninendo is incapable of making an on-line service does not me we should just shut up about it. Online gaming growth is the biggest thing to happen this generation, just look at games like L4D and RE5 and you will see the shift in focus of many titles, hell even singleplayer focused games like STALKER have a half decent on-line componant.

The on-line has not been developed since the launch of the Wii in any meaningful way, This is made worse by it being practically crippled in the first place, before we strart with anything else at least PSN has shown some Major development and LIVE has continuted to become for slick, feature filled and user freindly, Nintendo has just bot bothered at all, there is no excuse for it being in such an almost unuseable state.

Graphics/ Features

The Wii lacks the graphical capbilities of the other systems, it has show it's self to be on about a par with the original X-Box when it comes to visuals. This last generatoin graphical performace has caused little development in grpahics from the Game Cube and mean most Wii games lack the Scope, Scale and sheer head ****ing immersion of HD games. It also is horrific to look at in many cases, Graphics are eye candy and i after a development like we have seen on the PS3/360/PC of amazing looking titles it;s hard to go back to something that looks like the last generation.

Graphics are not just Eye candy either, people forget that technical prowess leads to;

• Better Pysics for more interactive enviroments/ more adaptive gameplay
• More emines on screen, we learned this the hard way with Dead Rising, the Wii simply lacks the ability to render the large ammont of enimes seen in other games
• More objects on screen; the phyical barrier of how big an envorment can be is painfully clear on the Wii, Scope is almost non exixitant.
• Immersion; Anyone who has played Dead Space, STALKER hell even HL2 will tell you how immisive a well presented world can be, it's one of the thing i look for in a game and on the Wii it nowhere near as effective.
• Cinematic gaming, a buzz word i know but it has added a whole new dimension to games this generation, Mass Effect was a prime example of this cimenatic feel only really possinbe on the higher powered systems. The Wii misses this boat.

The Wii lacks the ability to do many things the 360/PS3 can do like play DVDs, stream movies, see freinds of freinds, propper voive chat, hell everthing live and PSN do outside of playing games without a freaking code!

and we hav't even touched on the Wiimote and the biggest issue; the library.

Midnightshade29

See those are some great points that I as a wii owner can agree on! But just because I recognize these faults with the system dosen't mean I am going to "hate" it. Theirs is still many great games for it and new ones coming down the road which make me enjoy playing my wii alot! As for the faults you listed, I own a 360 so I'm covered there :P

However, I do hope Ninty releases a system next gen on par with sony and microsoft (so we get the multiplats andbetter online)so I can go back to owning just a Ninty console like I have my entire life minus this gen!

"In anycase does anyone want to buy my wii? The wife hasn't touched it in 8 months , so I can finaly sell it, before the value goes down even more. Its only $90 trade in at gamestop."

Lol, even on the page I posted about how even people buying wii's are hating them their is a response/proof like this, lol!

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

it is about trying to find why there is an inherent and intense hatred for it by everyone but the people buying it.

kenakuma

Actually, I have found that even the people buying it tend to develope this hate for it also :?

You see them all the time in SW, the Wii Section of this site, and other gaming sites just bashing away at their wii's for "collecting dust", "crappy 3rd party support", "horrible online experience", and the ever so popular "not enough zelda/mario/starfox/(insert 1st party ninty title), ect.

I truley believe Ninty reached its goal and audience (like you mentioned on the first page in a response), the only thing is alot of those people aren't exactly the ones to be posting in gaming sites if you know what I mean ;)

Don't expect the wii hate to end any time soon or ever for that fact!

Did you ever stop to think that people actually truly are disappointed with the Wii's library for genuine reasons?

A friend of mine bought the wii and now he's waiting to sell it for a PS3. He views the purchase as a mistake and I don't think he's alone. If I had gone ahead and bought the Wii like I intended to I would too. A lot of people view the Wii as a huge disappointment.

I hate the Wii because of the lack of good quality titles i dnt care about graphics i care that I am playing a good game that isnt over in less then an hour

[QUOTE="kenakuma"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

it is about trying to find why there is an inherent and intense hatred for it by everyone but the people buying it.

hakanakumono

Actually, I have found that even the people buying it tend to develope this hate for it also :?

You see them all the time in SW, the Wii Section of this site, and other gaming sites just bashing away at their wii's for "collecting dust", "crappy 3rd party support", "horrible online experience", and the ever so popular "not enough zelda/mario/starfox/(insert 1st party ninty title), ect.

I truley believe Ninty reached its goal and audience (like you mentioned on the first page in a response), the only thing is alot of those people aren't exactly the ones to be posting in gaming sites if you know what I mean ;)

Don't expect the wii hate to end any time soon or ever for that fact!

Did you ever stop to think that people actually truly are disappointed with the Wii's library for genuine reasons?

A friend of mine bought the wii and now he's waiting to sell it for a PS3. He views the purchase as a mistake and I don't think he's alone. If I had gone ahead and bought the Wii like I intended to I would too. A lot of people view the Wii as a huge disappointment.

Did you read the opening?

Damn! Where the hell was I when this thread happened!? :x It's going to take me forever to go through all these posts. >.> I'll try to keep this short and hope I'm not repeating what anyone else has said.

Anywho, if you were ask me to attempt to come up with an original response, it's not a matter of why people hate the Wii. I'd say it's a matter of why so many haters exist. Yes, confusing, I know, but bear with me here.

The problem comes from last-gen with the rise of online gaming for two of the three consoles. Everyone has Internet access, but back then, it was a...How would you say, a common stigma that video gamers are low-life, childish 12-year old boys. You'd probably be ashamed to claim you're a gamer, so sites like GameSpot would be filled with only the truly dedicated gamers.

With the rise of online however, the average person back then would've found out that they're not the only one in the world, and that much less than 99% of gamers you meet really are 12-year olds. Communities build and so does interest in gaming, resulting in a crossover to here along with any developments of tastes, biases, etc.

The Gamecube, heck, even the Wii, doesn't support online community development very well, preventing a crossover from happening, thus reducing the number of Wii fans we have here and making it seem like there's an overwhelming majority of Wii haters.

Whether or not you're from last-gen, the standard "I just don't like *insert something here*" applies as well.

The Wii has some HUGE endemic flaws with the System it's self;

On-Line

The curret itteration of the on-line service is woefully inadeiquite even when compared to over a decade ago on the PC. Since the inception of the wordl wide internet we have moved beyond the use if IP adress linkages, the Wii uses a system alost identical to them. Freind codes. They are the biggest step back in terms of on-line in console histoy, I honesly think the dreamcast had a better system in places, the PS2 certainly. Just becuase Ninendo is incapable of making an on-line service does not me we should just shut up about it. Online gaming growth is the biggest thing to happen this generation, just look at games like L4D and RE5 and you will see the shift in focus of many titles, hell even singleplayer focused games like STALKER have a half decent on-line componant.

The on-line has not been developed since the launch of the Wii in any meaningful way, This is made worse by it being practically crippled in the first place, before we strart with anything else at least PSN has shown some Major development and LIVE has continuted to become for slick, feature filled and user freindly, Nintendo has just bot bothered at all, there is no excuse for it being in such an almost unuseable state.

Graphics/ Features

The Wii lacks the graphical capbilities of the other systems, it has show it's self to be on about a par with the original X-Box when it comes to visuals. This last generatoin graphical performace has caused little development in grpahics from the Game Cube and mean most Wii games lack the Scope, Scale and sheer head ****ing immersion of HD games. It also is horrific to look at in many cases, Graphics are eye candy and i after a development like we have seen on the PS3/360/PC of amazing looking titles it;s hard to go back to something that looks like the last generation.

Graphics are not just Eye candy either, people forget that technical prowess leads to;

• Better Pysics for more interactive enviroments/ more adaptive gameplay
• More emines on screen, we learned this the hard way with Dead Rising, the Wii simply lacks the ability to render the large ammont of enimes seen in other games
• More objects on screen; the phyical barrier of how big an envorment can be is painfully clear on the Wii, Scope is almost non exixitant.
• Immersion; Anyone who has played Dead Space, STALKER hell even HL2 will tell you how immisive a well presented world can be, it's one of the thing i look for in a game and on the Wii it nowhere near as effective.
• Cinematic gaming, a buzz word i know but it has added a whole new dimension to games this generation, Mass Effect was a prime example of this cimenatic feel only really possinbe on the higher powered systems. The Wii misses this boat.

The Wii lacks the ability to do many things the 360/PS3 can do like play DVDs, stream movies, see freinds of freinds, propper voive chat, hell everthing live and PSN do outside of playing games without a freaking code!

and we hav't even touched on the Wiimote and the biggest issue; the library.

Midnightshade29

Even at that the Wii can have games the other systems can't. Games like Zack and Wiki and LKS would not play the same on other consoles, and not nessecarily because of the controls. Having limited system capabilites can lower the expectations in the graphics department allowing the developers to focus on other key areas to a greater extent. It can quite easily balance out, and it means that you see quite alot of nice unique titles on the system that would end up being limited toeither theSteam, Arcade, PSN or any other similar platformon other systems where they will go largely ignored. The Wii offers a very diffrent experience from other systems this generation, and this is blatantly obvious when you see the large number of shared titles between the PC, PS3 and Xbox 360. They are practically the same console (PS3 and 360.). I would rather have the console not go down exactly the same route as the other ones already available.

If you take the time to look for the games you can find them. Alot of the time they get slipped under the carpet.

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[QUOTE="kenakuma"]

Actually, I have found that even the people buying it tend to develope this hate for it also :?

You see them all the time in SW, the Wii Section of this site, and other gaming sites just bashing away at their wii's for "collecting dust", "crappy 3rd party support", "horrible online experience", and the ever so popular "not enough zelda/mario/starfox/(insert 1st party ninty title), ect.

I truley believe Ninty reached its goal and audience (like you mentioned on the first page in a response), the only thing is alot of those people aren't exactly the ones to be posting in gaming sites if you know what I mean ;)

Don't expect the wii hate to end any time soon or ever for that fact!

ActicEdge

Did you ever stop to think that people actually truly are disappointed with the Wii's library for genuine reasons?

A friend of mine bought the wii and now he's waiting to sell it for a PS3. He views the purchase as a mistake and I don't think he's alone. If I had gone ahead and bought the Wii like I intended to I would too. A lot of people view the Wii as a huge disappointment.

Did you read the opening?

What about it?

to be honest i think on sw and other similar places people are such fanboys that it really burns them up that the wii is selling so well. They HATE it with the fires of 1000 suns! I think its great to see them so mad.

Let's see here:

1.) About 85% of the titles are based onshovelware, party, excerising, & PS2 ports.

2.) You'll get bored with it over time if another 1st party game doesn't come out soon.

3.) I don't want to keep waving my arms around to play games.

4.) The Wii is more powerful than X-Box, yet due to a lack of amount of system RAM and less processing power, it can't handle graphics above 480p. Pathetic. Even some games from the original X-Box like MK: Armageddon & Soul Calibur 2 run in 720p.

5.) They don't even have DVD playback, despite them using DVD's for games. Both X-Box & PS2 had them last gen, but Nintendo didn't have it. Both 360 & PS3 have them, yet, Nintendo still doesn't have it.

I could go on & on. They're like the McDonald's of the gaming industry.

Let's see here:

1.) About 85% of the titles are based onshovelware, party, excerising, & PS2 ports. The other 15% are great games. Even if you played every day, it would take you more time than this whole gen to play all 15%. Besides, who cares if the other 85% is shovelware? Are you going out and playing bad games?

2.) You'll get bored with it over time if another 1st party game doesn't come out soon. Then maybe you shouldn't ignore the great third party games?

3.) I don't want to keep waving my arms around to play games. Then don't. Nearly all good wii games have very little waggle.

4.) The Wii is more powerful than X-Box, yet due to a lack of amount of system RAM and less processing power, it can't handle graphics above 480p. Pathetic. Even some games from the original X-Box like MK: Armageddon & Soul Calibur 2 run in 720p. So, your a graphics whore who can't enjoy a game unless it's cutting edge?

5.) They don't even have DVD playback, despite them using DVD's for games. Both X-Box & PS2 had them last gen, but Nintendo didn't have it. Both 360 & PS3 have them, yet, Nintendo still doesn't have it. So? I have about 5 DVD players in my house already. Why would I need a 7th?

garland51

Maybe you should try thinking before you type next time.

What I hate about the Wii:

-Developers milk it and use it as a fad. Many people do not care to use the console to make quality games, they use it to make quick money. Shovelware annoys me.

-It's overpriced. $250 is too much. Nintendo knows it, but they dont change it. Fortunately for them, they sell like crazy.

-Nintendo is on cruise control. Compare them to Sony's software lineup and you can see Sony trying. When pushed against a wall, a company like Sony will try to compete. Nintendo has no competitive drive. They do not care. They don't have to, nor do they want to cater to what the fans have been asking for.

-Pathetic Online Service

Generally, I hate that Nintendo has been so successful because it has allowed them to pull out of the gaming industry and become something too broad. I don't think I necessarily hate the console: I think Nintendo has pioneered an evolution of gameplay (motion control). However, as pioneers, I do not respect the shovelware and the total lack of gaming-centric direction the Wii has taken. I think that they are like the Eagle that flies in its natural habitat when it should be a canary in a cage. I want Nintendo to bend to the Gamer. I want Nintendo to fear Gamers. Instead, Nintendo does not fear losing, in my opinion, the more heavier gamers. They realize they are successful much beyond the gaming industry. They have created a fad that has made them a ton of money.

Now, the DS is a great piece of hardware. My "Nintendo" dismay is solely on what the Wii has done.

As much as I would like to read every comment here on the subject, I'm not. That's just too daunting of a task at this point, and from what I've read to the point I stopped, most of the comments really didn't get to the point anyway. If someone has already made the point I'm about to, I apologize, but here goes...

First and foremost, I really DON'T hate the Wii. In fact, it's the only one of the next-gen systems I own, and I admire what the system is and what it has done to this point. That being said, perhaps I am not the best one to be answering the question on why so many people hate the system, but I do think I have a reason as to why it gets the reaction it does nevertheless. To put it simply, over the course of time, people have always shown hatred and fear over things that are different and made an impact, and it's clear that over the past two and a half years, the Wii has done just that in a way NO ONE anticipated. And while you have millions of consumers enjoying the system to its fullest, you also have people to this day still trying to figured out what the heck has happened. Looking back, I think I can understand the reaction to an [small] extent.

Over three years ago, the things the Wii has done weren't even considered possible in the video game industry. Many enthusiasts within the video game universe, whether they were gamers, media, developers, etc., were looking at the system as a last hurrah for Nintendo that would end up as a short-live sideshow. Afterall, there was NO way that a system so underpowered in comparison to its HD/Media-driven counterparts was going to be able to attract new consumers with an entirely new control scheme, and given Nintendo's recent history with third party developers, the chances of any major publisher pushing products on the system was as close to zero as you can get it. In short, the Wii's fate was supposed to be similar to that of the Dreamcast's with a weird controller. The main event card had an all-out war between the Xbox 360 and PS3 in terms of games, format, and online, leaving Nintendo's little longshot (or no-shot in many's eyes) as that JV-like exhibition that only few would bother to see and would eventually get cancelled.

Fast forward to today, and it's the Wii that has become the main event superstar. Not only has Nintendo done everything it set out to do, but it did so in a way not even Nintendo itself imagined. The Wii has become the face of console gaming this gen, and it has managed to do so with an approach, a lineup of games and an audience that has been unconventional in previous years. It has created a shock factor, and I think it's not only because the Wii has become so successful, but it has done so without needing the 18-35 yrs. demographic to a great extent and the truckload of shooters and sandbox games that were all the rage last gen. I think the fact that games like Wii Fit and Mario Kart have so greatly outsold the Grand Theft Autos and Halos of the world has surprised a lot of the more established gamers, not because these are bad games (they're not), but because they are no longer by far the most important group of gamers, or even THE most important, for that matter.

Because of this, there are two ways to react to such a drastic movement: Embrace the drastic change or hate it. Over the course of these past three years, many have come to embrace the Wii for what it is, but sadly, when you look in areas such as System Wars, most have come to the conclusion that it's better for them to hate the system instead. While I don't think many will agree with me, I think people fear what the Wii has brought to the table. While it's not the first time a less powerful system has dominated, it has never been as clear as it is now, and now you have many wondering if in future gens, power will be sacrificed for sake of something else. People think that lengthy games with engaging storylines will be replaced by mini-game compiliations that most will only play for around an hour at a time. There's a fear that elements like online gaming, which the Xbox lineup of systems has pushed over the last two gens, will start to have a deminished role in how games are played. These points may have some validity to them, but I don't think Nintendo's idea was to push gaming ten years back, and that seems to be what many are thinking about the company.

That said, there are things that have happened recently that hasn't helped too much. For starters, it is true that the Wii has been flooded with uninspired, rip-off mini-game collections created by developers more interested in cashing in on the system than making quality efforts. And while most of these games aren't as successful as people try to make them, the fact that a few of them have sold well has kinda sent a bad vibe. This has nothing to do with the Wii as a system, but you still have some highlighting these games and making it look like a fact that the Wii is an unworthy system. It also doesn't help that Microsoft and Sony has seen the success of the Wii and have been trying to make their systems more like it every since. I can see how that might scare some fans of some games, even if those systems' demographics and gaming lineup doesn't suggest that the focus of gaming development will be heavily favored towards the family-friendly lineup the Wii has. In fact, I could easily see Sony and Microsoft's motion-controlled alternates not doing well at all, seeing as how they will be competing with a Wii lineup hundreds of games in and out-of-the-box functionality that the PS3/Xbox 360 won't have (unless they're bundled). The debate on how well Natal and Sony's wand will do in full is for another topic, though. :P

This is merely my theory on the subject, and while I will not try to force my opinions or feelings on people, I do wish that the attitude towards the Wii would change. I understand that it's not everyone's cup of tea, and I can accept that, but it is sad to see responses such as the one from GameTrailers given to a product that has proven to be a shot in the arm for this industry. Last gen, you couldn't look at the news without video games as a whole being slammed for some GTA related incident involving some kid, but this gen, that seems to have been replaced by people who many thought gaming could never appeal to enjoying themselves in a very positive light. If nothing else, Nintendo's new direction has given this industry a more positive image than it has ever been before. I realize that this post here will prove to be futile to some people, but that can't be helped. If even one person manages to understand my point and learns something, I'll be content, and if that doesn't happen, I still couldn't care less. :P

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

it is about trying to find why there is an inherent and intense hatred for it by everyone but the people buying it.

hakanakumono

Actually, I have found that even the people buying it tend to develope this hate for it also :?

You see them all the time in SW, the Wii Section of this site, and other gaming sites just bashing away at their wii's for "collecting dust", "crappy 3rd party support", "horrible online experience", and the ever so popular "not enough zelda/mario/starfox/(insert 1st party ninty title), ect.

I truley believe Ninty reached its goal and audience (like you mentioned on the first page in a response), the only thing is alot of those people aren't exactly the ones to be posting in gaming sites if you know what I mean ;)

Don't expect the wii hate to end any time soon or ever for that fact!

Did you ever stop to think that people actually truly are disappointed with the Wii's library for genuine reasons?

A friend of mine bought the wii and now he's waiting to sell it for a PS3. He views the purchase as a mistake and I don't think he's alone. If I had gone ahead and bought the Wii like I intended to I would too. A lot of people view the Wii as a huge disappointment.

I understand what you mean, when I got me wii at launch all I wanted out of it where awesome 1st part titles (already had a 360 for all the other stuff),any cool 3rd party ones I would see as an added bonus! So when their was a lack of multiplats and GOOD 3rd party support I was still content with my wii as it's library still met my personal expectations, the only thing that bothers me withare slow downs in 1st party titles and the "wii" games, however in the near future where getting a ton of 1st party titles so I'll be SUPER happy with my wii :)

But yeah I can totally see how most gamers such as your freind would not be content with the wii's library (none of my freinds own a wii except for one and he sold it for a 360 last year)! The only solution I can think of for that is getting a PS3 or 360 to help.