SW, what is it about the wii that makes so many of you inherently hate it?

[QUOTE="g0ddyX"]

The wii fanboyism is strong here, where are the 360 and ps3 fanatics?

But the way people talk and defend the wii so highly, makes one wonder if this wii warlock guy is here.

tagyhag

Hur hur I can do that too!

Are you trying to make me throw up? :evil: :P

Its okay to not like a console, but it is a whole different story if you say that it sucks.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]

[QUOTE="g0ddyX"]

The wii fanboyism is strong here, where are the 360 and ps3 fanatics?

But the way people talk and defend the wii so highly, makes one wonder if this wii warlock guy is here.

shoryuken_

Hur hur I can do that too!

Are you trying to make me throw up? :evil: :P

What has been seen, cannot be unseen. :P

It's sad when professional gaming sites act like solja boy

It's sad when professional gaming sites act like solja boy

goblaa

It's sad when professional gaming sites act like solja boy

goblaa

[QUOTE="dkrustyklown"]

[QUOTE="g0ddyX"]

Its a console that has soccer moms and elderly people getting involved, instead of the real gaming audience.

g0ddyX

When marketing a product, the audience is ANYONE WHO WILL PURCHASE said product. Basically, if you're human and have disposable income, then you're a part of a potential gaming audience. Don't blame Nintendo for reaching out to a more universal market while Sony & MS confine themselves to a TINY segment of the population.

Besides, what makes you think that you are better and therefore deserve more attention then "soccer moms and elderly"? Get over yourself. You are but one of 6 billion people on this planet, and your needs and wants aren't any more important than anyone else's. The market has spoken, and you are clearly just a tiny part of it. If you feel marginalized by the market, then it's only because your thoughts, attitudes, and perceptions are but a mere drop in the ocean. Deal with it.

Well, most of my circle of friends own Wii's, and we're all in the 25-40 range...

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="g0ddyX"]Your gaming taste differs, and what your interests are, can say a lot about you.g0ddyX

Waggle, 90% of the library and the fans who can't get over their lifelong loyalty to Nintendo.

Rob-Belmont

What you don't get is that nintendo is ripping everyone off. You can buy a gamecube for around $30 new today. Nintendo instead of investing in R & D, decided to take their old tech spruce up the old powerglove tech from the 1980's and sell that off for 210% profit..(estimate, don't know how much but a lot) ...sounds great for Nintendo from a business perspective, but as a gamer...who is expecting something in the new console than a slightly spruced up gamecube with a tweaked powerglove in the shape of a remote.... its makes people angry that they are making cash money, and not doing crap to deserve it. People bought the thing expecting much more and got much less, then you got Reggie and his smug arrogant attitude saying screw the core gamer, will give them "Animal Crossing" that's enough for them. ...lol (that is the most childish non-hardcore game I have ever heard of...lol). " Will get on stage and with Camy dunnaway and appeal to all the moms just to sell more. We will brag about how we are beating everyone every chance we get"... "We will get on stage and play fake instruments while looking like where having seizures and will make millions on the kiddies..." "Everyone says the wii doesn't' have enough core games...well we are working on two new Mario games is core enough for you?" No it's not .....

Everytime anyone mentions hardcore games to Reggie it's always "We have mario and zelda in the works." ...There is a lot more than just mario and zelda you don't see Sony making 20 versions of the same 2 characters over and over again...you see tons of 1st party titles, yes some have sequels but there is tons of new IP for core gamers...You don't see Microsoft make the same game series 4 times a gen...oh wait maybe you do, bad example... anyway the point is gamers are mad there is more to core games then throwing the core a bone every once in a while... And they have a right to be. Just because some of you will follow Nintendo off a bridge if they asked you doesn't mean the rest of us have to like what they are doing. Some of you get mad when we get mad about the wii...we have a right to be mad.

General lack of good games and the fact that its just an overclocked gamecube. I own one for the first party titles but its by far the least used console.

[QUOTE="dkrustyklown"]

[QUOTE="g0ddyX"]

Its a console that has soccer moms and elderly people getting involved, instead of the real gaming audience.

g0ddyX

When marketing a product, the audience is ANYONE WHO WILL PURCHASE said product. Basically, if you're human and have disposable income, then you're a part of a potential gaming audience. Don't blame Nintendo for reaching out to a more universal market while Sony & MS confine themselves to a TINY segment of the population.

Besides, what makes you think that you are better and therefore deserve more attention then "soccer moms and elderly"? Get over yourself. You are but one of 6 billion people on this planet, and your needs and wants aren't any more important than anyone else's. The market has spoken, and you are clearly just a tiny part of it. If you feel marginalized by the market, then it's only because your thoughts, attitudes, and perceptions are but a mere drop in the ocean. Deal with it.

Shane from GT was harsh on the Wii but it's okay I really don't mind because even I believe that the difference between these 2 consoles are very slim in terms of price. I can see the Wii having problems but seriously at this point, I just want my first party Nintendo titles on the Wii and be happy with the PS3 I have.

On topic: I hate the fact that it's missing some of my favorite series from the GC like Soul Calibur, Prince of Persia and even Resident Evil 5. Otherwise I don't mind my Wii, my family and friends love it so I do too.

TC tries too hard for this thread... sad

Ratchet_Fan8

Trying too hared to have a good conversation? Yes, I do try too hard, thank you naruto.

Ah, the Wii is certainly not perfect -- there are plenty of reasons to dislike the Wii; plenty. :P

Stevo_the_gamer

Oh I know (I could probably list more than you) but the opening is really more about knee jerk wii hate and just a complete and utter disguust. Its rather ridiculous.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

Ah, the Wii is certainly not perfect -- there are plenty of reasons to dislike the Wii; plenty. :P

ActicEdge

Oh I know (I could probably list more than you) but the opening is really more about knee jerk wii hate and just a complete and utter disguust. Its rather ridiculous.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

Ah, the Wii is certainly not perfect -- there are plenty of reasons to dislike the Wii; plenty. :P

ActicEdge

Oh I know (I could probably list more than you) but the opening is really more about knee jerk wii hate and just a complete and utter disguust. Its rather ridiculous.

The Wii is like the new member of a fraternity - its gotta get paddled before it gets initiated.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

Ah, the Wii is certainly not perfect -- there are plenty of reasons to dislike the Wii; plenty. :P

Dystopian-X

Oh I know (I could probably list more than you) but the opening is really more about knee jerk wii hate and just a complete and utter disguust. Its rather ridiculous.

The opening is the difference between dislike and hate and disgust. The system doesn't deliver in some ways, it delivers in other. Not liking the wii is more than fine. However, the comments coming out of invisible walls and the likes of SW are far more than simple dislike. They don't HAVE to be comfortable with it, they just need to understand how it works, who is to blame and what is BS and what isn't. Its really sad when neogaf is like the only board on the net where trolling the wii will get you in trouble.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

Ah, the Wii is certainly not perfect -- there are plenty of reasons to dislike the Wii; plenty. :P

Shinobishyguy

Oh I know (I could probably list more than you) but the opening is really more about knee jerk wii hate and just a complete and utter disguust. Its rather ridiculous.

I wouldn't even call stevo a hater honestly. Criticism and problems =/= hate. Some of the comments in this thread and that gametrailers podcast and comment section = hate.

It's funny because I grew up with all Nintendo consoles, NES, SNES, N64. I don't "hate" it. It's good for families with children. As a mature adult gamer, I just think about 95% of the gaming library is complete garbage. DPhunkT

Wait, you think the library is garbage because it doesn't appeal to you? That's kinda elitest tight there.

So I'm curious. Since the announcement of the Wii gamers, publishers, developers and the enthusiest press (they aren't journalists people) have despised the console to the point of wanting it to fail and I'm curious as to why. What is it about the wii that make you hate it (and stop with the politically correct I don't hate it, its just . . . . BS because you're not fooling anyone). I hear the argument that nintendo has forgotten its core market but I don't believe that's true. A simple look at the release schedule for the console sees many of the same franchises coming out. They have added to there catalogue with less traditional software but they have developed the same thing for the last 20 years so I'm confused as to how they've abandoned anyone. Has it just become a taste thing? Is Mario and Zelda not your taste anymore and you want more mature software? If that's the case I'm confused as to the inherent anger since nintendo has never really been known for that.

Could it be a hate for the wiimote? I can understand this, the wiimote is an incredibly flawed controller, it isn't perfect and it doesn't perform the average genre title as well as a standard controller. Its newer technology that has never been implemeted on the scale of a major console launch before and hence it has muliple flaws. The controller has its benefits too of course but this isn't really my point. It seems as though there is an inherent hate from the core market for the wii and I'm not understanding exactly the main reason. Its not a matter of software because the type of hate far exceeds not appealing to the average age 18 - 35 male gamer taste (this isn't me being mean, this is the reality of who buysmost of the hyped games).It seems as though the hate goes deeper.

The media hates the wii. They talk crap about it, they rip on it, they want it to fail. Listen to any podcast when the name wii is mentioned. No, here, let me do it for you:

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/episode-71-invisible-walls/54781

Some quotes to make my point:

The big loser, Nintendo" And said with a chuckle.

"Nintendo is looking more ***ed than a Tijuana whore"

"There just lookin' out of touch" The irony.

"They can't get over themselves"

"Who is gonna get the Wii for 250 when you can get the beasts of machine for an extra 50"

"You know motion controls are coming and you can play with those controls on games that look and sound way better"

"Almost like the toy my 1st videogame console"

"I would say everyone stop buying the Wii but they already have"

"Nintendo it's game over bro"

"Sony just released a console that looks completely different from the PS3"

"Created a system for people who don't buy freakin games"

"No people that buy software"

"Would a price cut even work"

"Could cut the price to $150 and see a bump but no long term benefit"

Nintendo "Were doomed were done"

"Punch-Out tanked"

"hope 50% on Wii has gotten a taste for gaming and buy a PS3"

"Between MS and Sony they can really finish off the Wii as a game console in the next 12 months"

"Not gonna shed a tear over the Wii"

"Sick of that console, I have No respect for Nintendo right now"

NSMB Wii "frickin' lame"

"could be the start of a 2 horse race"

"Nintendo can make their toys which is what there best at They've stopped making hardcore games"

Yes people, a professional website podcast said this and there are many more examples. This isn't just dislike, this is hate and a desire for nintendo and the wii to fail. There is no denying that people think this. The wii was able to succeed by capturing the imagination of the public and yet now the gamers hate on nintendo for discarding the things the average person doesn't find all that mind bending, graphics, cinimatics etc. Itamuses me and saddens me at the same time that the wii has all this potential but the people who act as if they want to see it used are the same people who won't buy games for it and want it to fail.

The bait has been thrown out SW, now discuss.

ActicEdge

I hate it(yes i do) because i feel it decelerated the advancements from gen to gen. Why do i feel it did? The Wii has been tremendously successful and will continue to be successful(despite what was said on Invisible Wall). And this really bothers me, because i don't feel Nintendo tried hard enough. The only thing the Wii has over the ps2, the GC and the original xbox is its motion controls, which in my opinion does not do anything for gaming as a whole, as it is pretty much inapplicable in most genres that I, as a gamer, am interested in. But the most unsettling thing though, which i hate as well, is the undeniable fact that Sony and M$ wish they were in Nintendo's shoes right now. This makes me predict that there would not be as much effort put in the next migration to another gen of consoles, as it has been seen and noted that the company that tried the least got the best reward.

tok1879

Okay then, my first question would be this:

Why hasn't Nintendo tried hard enough. When I say this I mean remove the hardcore glasses, look at the big picture and tell me what else they have to do to prove they have tried hard.

Second would be:

Is it fair to blame Nintendo for the whole industry when the whole industry doesn't support nintendo? No third parties give the system the time of day sp why exactly is it Nintendo's fault if the industry takes its path? Its not like they have shown any interest in the wii since it was announced.

Third would be:

How is it fair to say Nintendo tried the least? They have some of the best forst party games this gen, they fully support 2 consoles, they have ventured into unknown territory with their software, they are trying to offer new experiences. If all you are talking about is your hardcore gaming ego than they may disappoint but the overall picture says its rather silly to act like this company hasn't tried.

[QUOTE="DPhunkT"]It's funny because I grew up with all Nintendo consoles, NES, SNES, N64. I don't "hate" it. It's good for families with children. As a mature adult gamer, I just think about 95% of the gaming library is complete garbage. ActicEdge

Wait, you think the library is garbage because it doesn't appeal to you? That's kinda elitest tight there.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="DPhunkT"]It's funny because I grew up with all Nintendo consoles, NES, SNES, N64. I don't "hate" it. It's good for families with children. As a mature adult gamer, I just think about 95% of the gaming library is complete garbage. DPhunkT

Wait, you think the library is garbage because it doesn't appeal to you? That's kinda elitest tight there.

The library isn't amazing but I wouldn't call it bad. There are some quality experiences on the system for sure. I'm mighty enjoying MP3 right now for example.

[QUOTE="DPhunkT"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Wait, you think the library is garbage because it doesn't appeal to you? That's kinda elitest tight there.

ActicEdge

The library isn't amazing but I wouldn't call it bad. There are some quality experiences on the system for sure. I'm mighty enjoying MP3 right now for example.

[QUOTE="tok1879"]

I hate it(yes i do) because i feel it decelerated the advancements from gen to gen. Why do i feel it did? The Wii has been tremendously successful and will continue to be successful(despite what was said on Invisible Wall). And this really bothers me, because i don't feel Nintendo tried hard enough. The only thing the Wii has over the ps2, the GC and the original xbox is its motion controls, which in my opinion does not do anything for gaming as a whole, as it is pretty much inapplicable in most genres that I, as a gamer, am interested in. But the most unsettling thing though, which i hate as well, is the undeniable fact that Sony and M$ wish they were in Nintendo's shoes right now. This makes me predict that there would not be as much effort put in the next migration to another gen of consoles, as it has been seen and noted that the company that tried the least got the best reward.

ActicEdge

Okay then, my first question would be this:

Why hasn't Nintendo tried hard enough. When I say this I mean remove the hardcore glasses, look at the big picture and tell me what else they have to do to prove they have tried hard.

Second would be:

Is it fair to blame Nintendo for the whole industry when the whole industry doesn't support nintendo? No third parties give the system the time of day sp why exactly is it Nintendo's fault if the industry takes its path? Its not like they have shown any interest in the wii since it was announced.

Third would be:

How is it fair to say Nintendo tried the least? They have some of the best forst party games this gen, they fully support 2 consoles, they have ventured into unknown territory with their software, they are trying to offer new experiences. If all you are talking about is your hardcore gaming ego than they may disappoint but the overall picture says its rather silly to act like this company hasn't tried.

"Is it fair to blame Nintendo for the whoe industry..." I remember getting peeved once in the previous gen, when someone from Nintendo said they don't want games like GTA on their console. I don't think the industry hates Nintendo, and even if they had a reason to, the ultimate goal of making money usually makes people compromise. So i don't think everyone in the industry got together to plot against Nintendo, the only logical explanation for the lack of said support is internal decisions made by Nintendo themselves.

And for the third part, Like i said they brought an outdated piece of tech to the game, which is unlike them and lacks effort in my view. Yes, they had some of the best first party games, but where are the games i can relate to? I'm no longer 12. I now demand a mature theme in my gaming experiences. What does Nintendo have to offer me? Sony has resistance, God of War, M$ has Halo, Gears of War. They are not afraid to depict blood(not that it's important, but still it CAN be there if NEEDED). Metroid is the closest thing Nintendo has to these. Every other thing is just as appealing as Barney. Why are they afraid to give a truly Mature theme their (in-house)blessing? Are they afraid of not appearing kid-friendly?

People are jealous of the sells. There are soo many PS3/360 fanboys, that tug atthe Wii whenever it gets a bad selling game. As if the 360 and PS3 never get bad sells.And they are the ones who always bring up sales. I have never seen a sheep or anyone, use the Wiis sells as a strong point for the Wii. Sheep don't care about sales, or graphics. They care about the games itself.I find it funny actually.

Quite possibly the most embarresing thing i've ever seen videogame related (this invisible walls episode).

This truly is an epic showcase of professional fanboy trolling, malicious wishfull thinking and childish mockery/insult of a certain demographic that they decide to humiliate even though they're part of the audience who keep these manbaby rejects from society in business.

I swear that if i was their boss, they would be pumping gas the very next day for a living, this industry will NEVER grow with imbeciles like these setting an example to the easily influenced greasy teens who swarm game forums in zerg-like numbers.

A normal guy who just bought a Wii and is having a blast with GST or whatever decides to hear a podcast,webisode on his new found hobby and what is he told? That he is an idiot for enjoying an inferior and now dead product and has no taste if he doesnt buy a PS360 instead.

Yup, these are the embassadors we have, they are the ones who inform the rest of the world about our hobby. And then people wonder why videogames are still associated with anti-social, fat nerd virgins who never come out of the basement.

It's funny because I grew up with all Nintendo consoles, NES, SNES, N64. I don't "hate" it. It's good for families with children. As a mature adult gamer, I just think about 95% of the gaming library is complete garbage. DPhunkT

Congratulations Mature Adult Gamer(tm), you grew up enjoying garbage.

Quite possibly the most embarresing thing i've ever seen videogame related (this invisible walls episode).

This truly is an epic showcase of professional fanboy trolling, malicious wishfull thinking and childish mockery/insult of a certain demographic that they decide to humiliate even though they're part of the audience who keep these manbaby rejects from society in business.

I swear that if i was their boss, they would be pumping gas the very next day for a living, this industry will NEVER grow with imbeciles like these setting an example to the easily influenced greasy teens who swarm game forums in zerg-like numbers.

A normal guy who just bought a Wii and is having a blast with GST or whatever decides to hear a podcast,webisode on his new found hobby and what is he told? That he is an idiot for enjoying an inferior and now dead product and has no taste if he doesnt buy a PS360 instead.

Yup, these are the embassadors we have, they are the ones who inform the rest of the world about our hobby. And then people wonder why videogames are still associated with anti-social, fat nerd virgins who never come out of the basement.

It's funny because I grew up with all Nintendo consoles, NES, SNES, N64. I don't "hate" it. It's good for families with children. As a mature adult gamer, I just think about 95% of the gaming library is complete garbage. DPhunkT

Congratulations Mature Adult Gamer(tm), you grew up enjoying garbage.

Wow the new avatar. You surely found one that matches the sig. Who's the lady, if you excuse my ignorance?IronBass

Believe it or not, Kristen Bell. :P

Quite possibly the most embarresing thing i've ever seen videogame related (this invisible walls episode).

This truly is an epic showcase of professional fanboy trolling, malicious wishfull thinking and childish mockery/insult of a certain demographic that they decide to humiliate even though they're part of the audience who keep these manbaby rejects from society in business.

I swear that if i was their boss, they would be pumping gas the very next day for a living, this industry will NEVER grow with imbeciles like these setting an example to the easily influenced greasy teens who swarm game forums in zerg-like numbers.

A normal guy who just bought a Wii and is having a blast with GST or whatever decides to hear a podcast,webisode on his new found hobby and what is he told? That he is an idiot for enjoying an inferior and now dead product and has no taste if he doesnt buy a PS360 instead.

Yup, these are the embassadors we have, they are the ones who inform the rest of the world about our hobby. And then people wonder why videogames are still associated with anti-social, fat nerd virgins who never come out of the basement.

Thunderdrone

So I guess you agree with me then :P

Hmmm I'm really tired so all I'll say is that sure it's hated, probably more so than any other console at this point in time but that probably stems from the fact Nintendo seems to be content with the lack of quality titles the Wii has been recieving compared to the competition.

They just don't seem serious about reaching that "hardcore" audience because well they're banking so what's the point in pleasing the people on these forums for? So of course it's gonna get quite a bit of hate AND at the same time over shadowed by the PS3 and 360.

[QUOTE="Ratchet_Fan8"]

TC tries too hard for this thread... sad

ActicEdge

Trying too hared to have a good conversation? Yes, I do try too hard, thank you naruto.

[QUOTE="tok1879"]

I hate it(yes i do) because i feel it decelerated the advancements from gen to gen. Why do i feel it did? The Wii has been tremendously successful and will continue to be successful(despite what was said on Invisible Wall). And this really bothers me, because i don't feel Nintendo tried hard enough. The only thing the Wii has over the ps2, the GC and the original xbox is its motion controls, which in my opinion does not do anything for gaming as a whole, as it is pretty much inapplicable in most genres that I, as a gamer, am interested in. But the most unsettling thing though, which i hate as well, is the undeniable fact that Sony and M$ wish they were in Nintendo's shoes right now. This makes me predict that there would not be as much effort put in the next migration to another gen of consoles, as it has been seen and noted that the company that tried the least got the best reward.

ActicEdge

Okay then, my first question would be this:

Why hasn't Nintendo tried hard enough. When I say this I mean remove the hardcore glasses, look at the big picture and tell me what else they have to do to prove they have tried hard.

Second would be:

Is it fair to blame Nintendo for the whole industry when the whole industry doesn't support nintendo? No third parties give the system the time of day sp why exactly is it Nintendo's fault if the industry takes its path? Its not like they have shown any interest in the wii since it was announced.

Third would be:

How is it fair to say Nintendo tried the least? They have some of the best forst party games this gen, they fully support 2 consoles, they have ventured into unknown territory with their software, they are trying to offer new experiences. If all you are talking about is your hardcore gaming ego than they may disappoint but the overall picture says its rather silly to act like this company hasn't tried.

In terms of "trying the least", Nintendo's not the one who knew about their hardware being faulty and decided to release their console anyway, and then tacked an extra year onto their warranty when a full product recall was what should've taken place...

Hmmm I'm really tired so all I'll say is that sure it's hated, probably more so than any other console at this point in time but that probably stems from the fact Nintendo seems to be content with the lack of quality titles the Wii has been recieving compared to the competition.

They just don't seem serious about reaching that "hardcore" audience because well they're banking so what's the point in pleasing the people on these forums for? So of course it's gonna get quite a bit of hate AND at the same time over shadowed by the PS3 and 360.

W1NGMAN-

You can't force third parties to develop for you. They have to want to work with you before you can actually start to have some relattion going on and that's where Nintendo can't win. Let me get a former post that highlights the problem (because I'm actually passionate about the issue)

On why third parties dislike the wii:

"It does. They inherently want the thing to fail because there tastes and talents are insulted by the Wii. The Wii proved that you can be successful without third parties, without tech and without cinimatic gaming. Things the industry holds dear. They don't want to be a part of that now and they didn't want to be part of it back then. Hence the poured all resources into other systems and when the wii became the success itis today they had nothing left. They built there userbases elsewhere, they din't establish a brand, that spent millions in tech. They can't throw it all to waste now and bar a big third party game, the wii userbase has been alienated to the point where they truly don't care for smaller titles. Those will sell fine but they won't be the next COD or anything abd that's what these publishers and devs want to make. That is there passion and focus, its admirable and sad at the same time but that's reality."

You can't fight that perception, if you are talking of Nintendo's own games nothing has changed except its expanded more.

What you don't get is that nintendo is ripping everyone off. You can buy a gamecube for around $30 new today. Nintendo instead of investing in R & D, decided to take their old tech spruce up the old powerglove tech from the 1980's and sell that off for 210% profit..(estimate, don't know how much but a lot) ...sounds great for Nintendo from a business perspective, but as a gamer...who is expecting something in the new console than a slightly spruced up gamecube with a tweaked powerglove in the shape of a remote.... its makes people angry that they are making cash money, and not doing crap to deserve it. People bought the thing expecting much more and got much less, then you got Reggie and his smug arrogant attitude saying screw the core gamer, will give them "Animal Crossing" that's enough for them. ...lol (that is the most childish non-hardcore game I have ever heard of...lol). " Will get on stage and with Camy dunnaway and appeal to all the moms just to sell more. We will brag about how we are beating everyone every chance we get"... "We will get on stage and play fake instruments while looking like where having seizures and will make millions on the kiddies..." "Everyone says the wii doesn't' have enough core games...well we are working on two new Mario games is core enough for you?" No it's not .....

Everytime anyone mentions hardcore games to Reggie it's always "We have mario and zelda in the works." ...There is a lot more than just mario and zelda you don't see Sony making 20 versions of the same 2 characters over and over again...you see tons of 1st party titles, yes some have sequels but there is tons of new IP for core gamers...You don't see Microsoft make the same game series 4 times a gen...oh wait maybe you do, bad example... anyway the point is gamers are mad there is more to core games then throwing the core a bone every once in a while... And they have a right to be. Just because some of you will follow Nintendo off a bridge if they asked you doesn't mean the rest of us have to like what they are doing. Some of you get mad when we get mad about the wii...we have a right to be mad.

Midnightshade29

How many Ratchet & Clank games have there been in the last 5-6 years?

[QUOTE="IronBass"] Wow the new avatar. You surely found one that matches the sig. Who's the lady, if you excuse my ignorance?Thunderdrone

Believe it or not, Kristen Bell. :P

So I guess you agree with me then :P ActicEdge

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"] So I guess you agree with me then :P Thunderdrone

I feel as though this topic has put a huge target over my head lol. Oh well, wanted to say this for a while.

[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"] So I guess you agree with me then :P ActicEdge

I feel as though this topic has put a huge target over my head lol. Oh well, wanted to say this for a while.

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

I just think it sucks...just flat out sucks, I hate waggle.

ActicEdge

Thank you for the amazing incite. :roll:

I feel as though this topic has put a huge target over my head lol. ActicEdge

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

I just think it sucks...just flat out sucks, I hate waggle.

subrosian

Thank you for the amazing incite. :roll:

Yes, I picked that up by another poster. I'm also not playing the game of spelling. I am not perfect, I make grammatical errors but I also want to have a thoughtful debate and if your intention is to troll my thread (I'm really not interested whether the mods want to suspend me or punish me or define trolling differently than me) I'm gonna call it out. Do you have a problem with that? Take it to the mods, I'll take my punishment. I'm not the type to be an ass without a reason but if you don't want to be read the opening and contribute, I will be a jerk. That's just how I am.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]I feel as though this topic has put a huge target over my head lol. IronBass

It also tends to be a sign that you will be ban shortly :(

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

Hmmm I'm really tired so all I'll say is that sure it's hated, probably more so than any other console at this point in time but that probably stems from the fact Nintendo seems to be content with the lack of quality titles the Wii has been recieving compared to the competition.

They just don't seem serious about reaching that "hardcore" audience because well they're banking so what's the point in pleasing the people on these forums for? So of course it's gonna get quite a bit of hate AND at the same time over shadowed by the PS3 and 360.

ActicEdge

You can't force third parties to develop for you. They have to want to work with you before you can actually start to have some relattion going on and that's where Nintendo can't win. Let me get a former post that highlights the problem (because I'm actually passionate about the issue)

On why third parties dislike the wii:

"It does. They inherently want the thing to fail because there tastes and talents are insulted by the Wii. The Wii proved that you can be successful without third parties, without tech and without cinimatic gaming. Things the industry holds dear. They don't want to be a part of that now and they didn't want to be part of it back then. Hence the poured all resources into other systems and when the wii became the success itis today they had nothing left. They built there userbases elsewhere, they din't establish a brand, that spent millions in tech. They can't throw it all to waste now and bar a big third party game, the wii userbase has been alienated to the point where they truly don't care for smaller titles. Those will sell fine but they won't be the next COD or anything abd that's what these publishers and devs want to make. That is there passion and focus, its admirable and sad at the same time but that's reality."

You can't fight that perception, if you are talking of Nintendo's own games nothing has changed except its expanded more.

I don't know I just look at Sony and see how much effort they've been putting when it comes to their first party titles, their online service... I'm sure if the two companies switched positions it would be a different story but still I would like to see Nintendo try and revamp their online service and quit giving us BS comments like "people don't like gaming online because they don't like losing" or some crap like that...

All in all Nintendo isn't delivering for the people on this forum, when it comes to their gaming library and online service. Until these things change, the Wii will continue to be ignored in SWs.

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Thank you for the amazing incite. :roll:

ActicEdge

Yes, I picked that up by another poster. I'm also not playing the game of spelling. I am not perfect, I make grammatical errors but I also want to have a thoughtful debate and if your intention is to troll my thread (I'm really not interested whether the mods want to suspend me or punish me) I'm gonna call it out. Do you have a problem with that? Take it to the mods, I'll take my punishment.

It also tends to be a sign that you will be ban shortly :(ActicEdge