SW, what is it about the wii that makes so many of you inherently hate it?

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]You weren't impressed by SMG? :O It wasn't revolutionary, but by God it was good.foxhound_fox

most of the games that get releashed on it doesn't interest me

the whole idea of motion sensing isn't bad but it's need to be done better (maybe red steel 2 will prove me wrong)

graphics are important, it part of the immension of a game, imagine SMG on the ps3

in the end it's the games that matters and when i compare the wii list of games and the ps3's, there is no competition

da_illest101

I did. It wouldn't be as good. It would be missing al the pointer implementaion that was used so effectively. I like it where it is right now.

Not really. I'm not a big fan of 3D Mario platformers and Galaxy isn't any different. The only reason I like Mario 64 is due to nostalgia. I wish they would release 2D Mario platformers like SMB3 and Yoshi's Island again. Except, like with Yoshi's Island, actually do something new instead of just copying all the old stuff.

foxhound_fox

Well they are releasing a new co-op mario world side scroller. As for me, I just don't have the same taste as those who enjoy the Wii, beyond the first party and don't have ANY wii games. Not a single third party game, because they do not appeal to me, I am happy to see nintendos first party back in action for next year, but I don't enjoy the 3rd party games at all (I normally borrow from a friend), madworld was ok.. but short and very boring at times. NMH was giving me a headache watching it (more a visual thing than the game itself) and I haven't tried any others.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

What you are stating and the reality of the matter is different. This thread isn't about dislike, I really don't have a problem with that. My problem is that there are people (including yourself) who actually enjoyed that garbage? I'm not asking about taste, I'm asking why the hate about the wii has reached the level where everyone inherently hates it, wants it to fail and blatantly exercises fanboyism well talking about it and its accepted. Did you see the comments? Did you see the SW thread. Are you telling me you found that truly worthwhile? That was not a podcast for LOLZ, that was shear iggnorance and they meant every word of it. I don't want them to lighten up on it, I want them to be fair.

The good news is that the industry press and the vocal hardcore minority don't represent the entire populace's opinion of the Wii. A lot of real world people really enjoy the machine.

True but this is just ridiculous. The whole industry has this hate for the system but it boggles the mind since they don't support it. Lots of people enjoy the system yes, but the people who don't are the ones who have the industry by the balls.

[QUOTE="da_illest101"]

most of the games that get releashed on it doesn't interest me

the whole idea of motion sensing isn't bad but it's need to be done better (maybe red steel 2 will prove me wrong)

graphics are important, it part of the immension of a game, imagine SMG on the ps3

in the end it's the games that matters and when i compare the wii list of games and the ps3's, there is no competition

ActicEdge

I did. It wouldn't be as good. It would be missing al the pointer implementaion that was used so effectively. I like it where it is right now.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"] Asking for equity from the press is just asking for disappointment. Controversy sells.

The good news is that the industry press and the vocal hardcore minority don't represent the entire populace's opinion of the Wii. A lot of real world people really enjoy the machine.

mattbbpl

True but this is just ridiculous. The whole industry has this hate for the system but it boggles the mind since they don't support it. Lots of people enjoy the system yes, but the people who don't are the ones who have the industry by the balls.

It does. They inherently want the thing to fail because there tastes and talents are insulted by the Wii. The Wii proved that you can be successful without third parties, without tech and without cinimatic gaming. Things the industry holds dear. They don't want to be a part of that now and they didn't want to be part of it back then. Hence the poured all resources into other systems and when the wii became the success itis today they had nothing left. They built there userbases elsewhere, they din't establish a brand, that spent millions in tech. They can't throw it all to waste now and bar a big third party game, the wii userbase has been alienated to the point where they truly don't care for smaller titles. Those will sell fine but they won't be the next COD or anything abd that's what these publishers and devs want to make. That is there passion and focus, its admirable and sad at the same time but that's reality.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="da_illest101"]

most of the games that get releashed on it doesn't interest me

the whole idea of motion sensing isn't bad but it's need to be done better (maybe red steel 2 will prove me wrong)

graphics are important, it part of the immension of a game, imagine SMG on the ps3

in the end it's the games that matters and when i compare the wii list of games and the ps3's, there is no competition

da_illest101

I did. It wouldn't be as good. It would be missing al the pointer implementaion that was used so effectively. I like it where it is right now.

It would look better but in its current form it would be and is a better game on the wii for the reasons I stated.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="da_illest101"]

most of the games that get releashed on it doesn't interest me

the whole idea of motion sensing isn't bad but it's need to be done better (maybe red steel 2 will prove me wrong)

graphics are important, it part of the immension of a game, imagine SMG on the ps3

in the end it's the games that matters and when i compare the wii list of games and the ps3's, there is no competition

da_illest101

I did. It wouldn't be as good. It would be missing al the pointer implementaion that was used so effectively. I like it where it is right now.

Ah I understand now, fair enough. New Mario Bros Wii might change that though.

tagyhag

The wii is bad for many reasons, theres loads more, but heres some.

For starters, its not a significant improvement over gamecube and is in fact making technology move backwards instead of forwards.

Compare Crysis, LBP, Halo 3 to Paper Mario or Warioware. I feel sorry for the hard work put into
The fact that it costs a lot less to make a game to sell millions and make millions is making Nintendo laugh around.

Even some developers see the wii as a 'novelty' console.
Its a console that has soccer moms and elderly people getting involved, instead of the real gaming audience.

Either way, if your over 20, playing just the wii, hate it so say it, but people need to grow up.
Its like watching nothing but disney movies.

The wii isnt 'winning', its 'cheating' by using outdated hardware and poor games and marketting to make it sell.
I dont think that the way you 'use' your controller as a significant part of the game.

Ones gotta ask, 'whos the most gullible to buy into the wii fad'.. kids and soccer moms.
However, japan is not buying into the wii now and the rest will follow.

Having a ps3 and 360 along with your HD LED Flatscreen tv, surround sound speakers and subwoofer, I have to say is very satisfying!

g0ddyX

I'm not even going to bother with you. There is nothing worth discussing in that post.

Wow :roll: I can't take seriously people who says that there's nothing in the wii that would interest them. That's different than saying "there isn't enough for me". Some people must know my stance on the HD twins, but I do own a Ps3 and had fun with it and I would like to play Shadow Complex. But I wouldn't buy the console just for that game, escially since there are more games for the systems I currently own that I would like to play than the time I got for them.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

True but this is just ridiculous. The whole industry has this hate for the system but it boggles the mind since they don't support it. Lots of people enjoy the system yes, but the people who don't are the ones who have the industry by the balls.

It does. They inherently want the thing to fail because there tastes and talents are insulted by the Wii. The Wii proved that you can be successful without third parties, without tech and without cinimatic gaming. Things the industry holds dear. They don't want to be a part of that now and they didn't want to be part of it back then. Hence the poured all resources into other systems and when the wii became the success itis today they had nothing left. They built there userbases elsewhere, they din't establish a brand, that spent millions in tech. They can't throw it all to waste now and bar a big third party game, the wii userbase has been alienated to the point where they truly don't care for smaller titles. Those will sell fine but they won't be the next COD or anything abd that's what these publishers and devs want to make. That is there passion and focus, its admirable and sad at the same time but that's reality.

Wow :roll: I can't take seriously people who says that there's nothing in the wii that would interest them. That's different than saying "there isn't enough for me". Some people must know my stance on the HD twins, but I do own a Ps3 and had fun with it and I would like to play Shadow Complex. But I wouldn't buy the console just for that game, escially since there are more games for the systems I currently own that I would like to play than the time I got for them.

loco145

Its a fair argument. The wii fails to deliver in many places that are important to the people of SW. I just don't get the misconception the the PS3 and 360 deliver in every area because that is far from the truth.

The Wii has some HUGE endemic flaws with the System it's self;

On-Line

The curret itteration of the on-line service is woefully inadeiquite even when compared to over a decade ago on the PC. Since the inception of the wordl wide internet we have moved beyond the use if IP adress linkages, the Wii uses a system alost identical to them. Freind codes. They are the biggest step back in terms of on-line in console histoy, I honesly think the dreamcast had a better system in places, the PS2 certainly. Just becuase Ninendo is incapable of making an on-line service does not me we should just shut up about it. Online gaming growth is the biggest thing to happen this generation, just look at games like L4D and RE5 and you will see the shift in focus of many titles, hell even singleplayer focused games like STALKER have a half decent on-line componant.

The on-line has not been developed since the launch of the Wii in any meaningful way, This is made worse by it being practically crippled in the first place, before we strart with anything else at least PSN has shown some Major development and LIVE has continuted to become for slick, feature filled and user freindly, Nintendo has just bot bothered at all, there is no excuse for it being in such an almost unuseable state.

Graphics/ Features

The Wii lacks the graphical capbilities of the other systems, it has show it's self to be on about a par with the original X-Box when it comes to visuals. This last generatoin graphical performace has caused little development in grpahics from the Game Cube and mean most Wii games lack the Scope, Scale and sheer head ****ing immersion of HD games. It also is horrific to look at in many cases, Graphics are eye candy and i after a development like we have seen on the PS3/360/PC of amazing looking titles it;s hard to go back to something that looks like the last generation.

Graphics are not just Eye candy either, people forget that technical prowess leads to;

• Better Pysics for more interactive enviroments/ more adaptive gameplay
• More emines on screen, we learned this the hard way with Dead Rising, the Wii simply lacks the ability to render the large ammont of enimes seen in other games
• More objects on screen; the phyical barrier of how big an envorment can be is painfully clear on the Wii, Scope is almost non exixitant.
• Immersion; Anyone who has played Dead Space, STALKER hell even HL2 will tell you how immisive a well presented world can be, it's one of the thing i look for in a game and on the Wii it nowhere near as effective.
• Cinematic gaming, a buzz word i know but it has added a whole new dimension to games this generation, Mass Effect was a prime example of this cimenatic feel only really possinbe on the higher powered systems. The Wii misses this boat.

The Wii lacks the ability to do many things the 360/PS3 can do like play DVDs, stream movies, see freinds of freinds, propper voive chat, hell everthing live and PSN do outside of playing games without a freaking code!

and we hav't even touched on the Wiimote and the biggest issue; the library.

I'm not going to read through 8 pages of comments, so I'm just jumping in blind. Up until the Wii came out, it seems like there was a fair bit of continuity in here; the MS camp were the graphics-whores, the Sony group were the "casuals" for lack of a better term due to the PS2 being such a high seller, and the Nintendo side represented the "hard-core" group (as far as you can actually say that a console-only gamer is "hard-core").

With every new generation of hardware came a jump in graphic quality; this was a given up until this point. So when MS' and Sony's new consoles took that graphical leap, Nintendo chose to go in a different direction and focused on not only how people played games, but also people who didn't play games or used to play games but drifted away for whatever reason. This made the Wii an easy target for the other two groups, and you started to hear stuff like "the Wii is a last-gen console" or the "Xbox 1.5", etc. The word "casual" started getting thrown around left, right and center, too.

Then the unthinkable happened when the Wii was released, became a pop-cuture phenomenon, and started selling to the point where there were hardware shortages a good 2 years after the launch. The other fanboys just couldn't wrap their heads around an underpowered console that offered something different was selling the crap out of their beloved HD graphical powerhouses.

And that's when the animosity set in...

and is in fact making technology move backwards instead of forwards.

Compare Crysis, LBP, Halo 3 to Paper Mario or Warioware. I feel sorry for the hard work put into

Its a console that has soccer moms and elderly people getting involved, instead of the real gaming audience.

Either way, if your over 20, playing just the wii, hate it so say it, but people need to grow up.
Its like watching nothing but disney movies.

I dont think that the way you 'use' your controller as a significant part of the game.

Ones gotta ask, 'whos the most gullible to buy into the wii fad'.. kids and soccer moms.
However, japan is not buying into the wii now and the rest will follow.

g0ddyX

All Consoles are making technology stall, it makes us PC gamers mad at you guys.:x :P

That argument doesn't work because anything you compare Crysis to gets destroyed on a technical level, including LBP and Halo 3...

No need to sound so elitist,:) they still cater to their fans, albeit not as much as before I can admit that.

This post oozes irony.

There are a lot of games that use the controller as significant part, you just have to look...

Still calling the Wii a fad huh....:lol: Japan is still buying the Wii more than 360's and PS3's, and not to mention more people own Wii's in Japan more than they own 360's and PS3's so it's amazing that they're still selling more.

Once Silent Hill comes out for the Wii, it will become my favorite console of the three.

[QUOTE="loco145"]

Wow :roll: I can't take seriously people who says that there's nothing in the wii that would interest them. That's different than saying "there isn't enough for me". Some people must know my stance on the HD twins, but I do own a Ps3 and had fun with it and I would like to play Shadow Complex. But I wouldn't buy the console just for that game, escially since there are more games for the systems I currently own that I would like to play than the time I got for them.

ActicEdge

Its a fair argument. The wii fails to deliver in many places that are important to the people of SW. I just don't get the misconception the the PS3 and 360 deliver in every area because that is far from the truth.

The Wii has some HUGE endemic flaws with the System it's self;

On-Line

The curret itteration of the on-line service is woefully inadeiquite even when compared to over a decade ago on the PC. Since the inception of the wordl wide internet we have moved beyond the use if IP adress linkages, the Wii uses a system alost identical to them. Freind codes. They are the biggest step back in terms of on-line in console histoy, I honesly think the dreamcast had a better system in places, the PS2 certainly. Just becuase Ninendo is incapable of making an on-line service does not me we should just shut up about it. Online gaming growth is the biggest thing to happen this generation, just look at games like L4D and RE5 and you will see the shift in focus of many titles, hell even singleplayer focused games like STALKER have a half decent on-line componant.

The on-line has not been developed since the launch of the Wii in any meaningful way, This is made worse by it being practically crippled in the first place, before we strart with anything else at least PSN has shown some Major development and LIVE has continuted to become for slick, feature filled and user freindly, Nintendo has just bot bothered at all, there is no excuse for it being in such an almost unuseable state.

Graphics/ Features

The Wii lacks the graphical capbilities of the other systems, it has show it's self to be on about a par with the original X-Box when it comes to visuals. This last generatoin graphical performace has caused little development in grpahics from the Game Cube and mean most Wii games lack the Scope, Scale and sheer head ****ing immersion of HD games. It also is horrific to look at in many cases, Graphics are eye candy and i after a development like we have seen on the PS3/360/PC of amazing looking titles it;s hard to go back to something that looks like the last generation.

Graphics are not just Eye candy either, people forget that technical prowess leads to;

• Better Pysics for more interactive enviroments/ more adaptive gameplay
• More emines on screen, we learned this the hard way with Dead Rising, the Wii simply lacks the ability to render the large ammont of enimes seen in other games
• More objects on screen; the phyical barrier of how big an envorment can be is painfully clear on the Wii, Scope is almost non exixitant.
• Immersion; Anyone who has played Dead Space, STALKER hell even HL2 will tell you how immisive a well presented world can be, it's one of the thing i look for in a game and on the Wii it nowhere near as effective.
• Cinematic gaming, a buzz word i know but it has added a whole new dimension to games this generation, Mass Effect was a prime example of this cimenatic feel only really possinbe on the higher powered systems. The Wii misses this boat.

The Wii lacks the ability to do many things the 360/PS3 can do like play DVDs, stream movies, see freinds of freinds, propper voive chat, hell everthing live and PSN do outside of playing games without a freaking code!

and we hav't even touched on the Wiimote and the biggest issue; the library.

BoloTheGreat

Without even reading the whole thing you missed the point. This isn't about disliking the wii and not seeing its flaws. Its about hating it, wanting it to fail and acting like its destryed the fabric of gaming when it has only let more people enjoy it. I hate to be an ass but all that wasn't necessary.

• The Games
• the online
• the graphics
• the casual focus
• the name
• the price
• etc.

:)

Because Wii's success make them realize that "hardcore" gamers are obsolete in the real world, which threatens their ego.

• The Games
• the online
• the graphics
• the casual focus
• the name
• the price
• etc.

:)

jakehouston88

Everything ive said in previous post, is based on facts, sales and articles, based on other websites and magazines.
If you dont like it, then i guess thats too bad.

Either way, the wii is a poorer console out of the 3 and you cant play sales if your gonna use that excuse.

Another one of many wii blind fanboys.

g0ddyX

[QUOTE="g0ddyX"]

Everything ive said in previous post, is based on facts, sales and articles, based on other websites and magazines.
If you dont like it, then i guess thats too bad.

Either way, the wii is a poorer console out of the 3 and you cant play sales if your gonna use that excuse.

Another one of many wii blind fanboys.

loco145

I lol'd at the based on facts part. :lol:

Though, I do believe that the Wii is the weakest stand-alone console, it makes for the best combo console.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"] I'm actually really surprised that some of the people in the driver's seat (namely third party developers) haven't turned this around more due to economic factors like the lower dev costs and high install base of the Wii. The potential for profits from the system is really great, and there are only a handful of developers that have offered up any meaningful support. It doesn't make any (rational) sense to me.mattbbpl

It does. They inherently want the thing to fail because there tastes and talents are insulted by the Wii. The Wii proved that you can be successful without third parties, without tech and without cinimatic gaming. Things the industry holds dear. They don't want to be a part of that now and they didn't want to be part of it back then. Hence the poured all resources into other systems and when the wii became the success itis today they had nothing left. They built there userbases elsewhere, they din't establish a brand, that spent millions in tech. They can't throw it all to waste now and bar a big third party game, the wii userbase has been alienated to the point where they truly don't care for smaller titles. Those will sell fine but they won't be the next COD or anything abd that's what these publishers and devs want to make. That is there passion and focus, its admirable and sad at the same time but that's reality.

Yes but at this point they have to make a big move or they will fail. There pregedice is holding them back to some degree. Its why they didn't support the console at launch and why its not being supported now. Its ignorance at its finest. You would think the CEOs would have a clue but a quick look at there financial statements tells me they don't get it and they never will.

Everything ive said in previous post, is based on facts, sales and articles, based on other websites and magazines.
If you dont like it, then i guess thats too bad.

Either way, the wii is a poorer console out of the 3 and you cant play sales if your gonna use that excuse.

Another one of many wii blind fanboys.

g0ddyX

Like I said, if you want to troll my thread then feel free. I'm not going to take you seriously however.

• The Games
• the online
• the graphics
• the casual focus
• the name
• the price
• etc.

:)

jakehouston88

I was expeccting an effort post from you. This is rather weak to be honest. goddy beat you here man.

[QUOTE="g0ddyX"]

Everything ive said in previous post, is based on facts, sales and articles, based on other websites and magazines.
If you dont like it, then i guess thats too bad.

Either way, the wii is a poorer console out of the 3 and you cant play sales if your gonna use that excuse.

Another one of many wii blind fanboys.

loco145

You might like Mario, Zelda or even Party Babies than Gta4, Halo3, LBP, Forza 2, Cod4 online etc.

Your gaming taste differs, and what your interests are, can say a lot about you.

A lot of people are in denial and a lot of people dont like to 'change' or 'move on'.

But down on paper, the wii is outdated, at least admit to that... lol

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"]

The Wii has some HUGE endemic flaws with the System it's self;

On-Line

The curret itteration of the on-line service is woefully inadeiquite even when compared to over a decade ago on the PC. Since the inception of the wordl wide internet we have moved beyond the use if IP adress linkages, the Wii uses a system alost identical to them. Freind codes. They are the biggest step back in terms of on-line in console histoy, I honesly think the dreamcast had a better system in places, the PS2 certainly. Just becuase Ninendo is incapable of making an on-line service does not me we should just shut up about it. Online gaming growth is the biggest thing to happen this generation, just look at games like L4D and RE5 and you will see the shift in focus of many titles, hell even singleplayer focused games like STALKER have a half decent on-line componant.

The on-line has not been developed since the launch of the Wii in any meaningful way, This is made worse by it being practically crippled in the first place, before we strart with anything else at least PSN has shown some Major development and LIVE has continuted to become for slick, feature filled and user freindly, Nintendo has just bot bothered at all, there is no excuse for it being in such an almost unuseable state.

Graphics/ Features

The Wii lacks the graphical capbilities of the other systems, it has show it's self to be on about a par with the original X-Box when it comes to visuals. This last generatoin graphical performace has caused little development in grpahics from the Game Cube and mean most Wii games lack the Scope, Scale and sheer head ****ing immersion of HD games. It also is horrific to look at in many cases, Graphics are eye candy and i after a development like we have seen on the PS3/360/PC of amazing looking titles it;s hard to go back to something that looks like the last generation.

Graphics are not just Eye candy either, people forget that technical prowess leads to;

• Better Pysics for more interactive enviroments/ more adaptive gameplay
• More emines on screen, we learned this the hard way with Dead Rising, the Wii simply lacks the ability to render the large ammont of enimes seen in other games
• More objects on screen; the phyical barrier of how big an envorment can be is painfully clear on the Wii, Scope is almost non exixitant.
• Immersion; Anyone who has played Dead Space, STALKER hell even HL2 will tell you how immisive a well presented world can be, it's one of the thing i look for in a game and on the Wii it nowhere near as effective.
• Cinematic gaming, a buzz word i know but it has added a whole new dimension to games this generation, Mass Effect was a prime example of this cimenatic feel only really possinbe on the higher powered systems. The Wii misses this boat.

The Wii lacks the ability to do many things the 360/PS3 can do like play DVDs, stream movies, see freinds of freinds, propper voive chat, hell everthing live and PSN do outside of playing games without a freaking code!

and we hav't even touched on the Wiimote and the biggest issue; the library.

ActicEdge

Without even reading the whole thing you missed the point. This isn't about disliking the wii and not seeing its flaws. Its about hating it, wanting it to fail and acting like its destryed the fabric of gaming when it has only let more people enjoy it. I hate to be an ass but all that wasn't necessary.

[QUOTE="loco145"]

[QUOTE="g0ddyX"]

Everything ive said in previous post, is based on facts, sales and articles, based on other websites and magazines.
If you dont like it, then i guess thats too bad.

Either way, the wii is a poorer console out of the 3 and you cant play sales if your gonna use that excuse.

Another one of many wii blind fanboys.

tagyhag

I lol'd at the based on facts part. :lol:

Though, I do believe that the Wii is the weakest stand-alone console, it makes for the best combo console.

Oh,so thats it.Well,as someone has stated before,it gets UNDESERVED attraction and sales.since the wii is Flawed in almost everyway (Online,graphs,and a library full of crap) And all those things,despite being crap,sell. Very sad,and some quality games such as Infamous,hardly sell.

Ratchet_Fan8

Your gaming taste differs, and what your interests are, can say a lot about you.g0ddyX

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"]

The Wii has some HUGE endemic flaws with the System it's self;

On-Line

The curret itteration of the on-line service is woefully inadeiquite even when compared to over a decade ago on the PC. Since the inception of the wordl wide internet we have moved beyond the use if IP adress linkages, the Wii uses a system alost identical to them. Freind codes. They are the biggest step back in terms of on-line in console histoy, I honesly think the dreamcast had a better system in places, the PS2 certainly. Just becuase Ninendo is incapable of making an on-line service does not me we should just shut up about it. Online gaming growth is the biggest thing to happen this generation, just look at games like L4D and RE5 and you will see the shift in focus of many titles, hell even singleplayer focused games like STALKER have a half decent on-line componant.

The on-line has not been developed since the launch of the Wii in any meaningful way, This is made worse by it being practically crippled in the first place, before we strart with anything else at least PSN has shown some Major development and LIVE has continuted to become for slick, feature filled and user freindly, Nintendo has just bot bothered at all, there is no excuse for it being in such an almost unuseable state.

Graphics/ Features

The Wii lacks the graphical capbilities of the other systems, it has show it's self to be on about a par with the original X-Box when it comes to visuals. This last generatoin graphical performace has caused little development in grpahics from the Game Cube and mean most Wii games lack the Scope, Scale and sheer head ****ing immersion of HD games. It also is horrific to look at in many cases, Graphics are eye candy and i after a development like we have seen on the PS3/360/PC of amazing looking titles it;s hard to go back to something that looks like the last generation.

Graphics are not just Eye candy either, people forget that technical prowess leads to;

• Better Pysics for more interactive enviroments/ more adaptive gameplay
• More emines on screen, we learned this the hard way with Dead Rising, the Wii simply lacks the ability to render the large ammont of enimes seen in other games
• More objects on screen; the phyical barrier of how big an envorment can be is painfully clear on the Wii, Scope is almost non exixitant.
• Immersion; Anyone who has played Dead Space, STALKER hell even HL2 will tell you how immisive a well presented world can be, it's one of the thing i look for in a game and on the Wii it nowhere near as effective.
• Cinematic gaming, a buzz word i know but it has added a whole new dimension to games this generation, Mass Effect was a prime example of this cimenatic feel only really possinbe on the higher powered systems. The Wii misses this boat.

The Wii lacks the ability to do many things the 360/PS3 can do like play DVDs, stream movies, see freinds of freinds, propper voive chat, hell everthing live and PSN do outside of playing games without a freaking code!

and we hav't even touched on the Wiimote and the biggest issue; the library.

ActicEdge

Without even reading the whole thing you missed the point. This isn't about disliking the wii and not seeing its flaws. Its about hating it, wanting it to fail and acting like its destryed the fabric of gaming when it has only let more people enjoy it. I hate to be an ass but all that wasn't necessary.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"]

The Wii has some HUGE endemic flaws with the System it's self;

On-Line

The curret itteration of the on-line service is woefully inadeiquite even when compared to over a decade ago on the PC. Since the inception of the wordl wide internet we have moved beyond the use if IP adress linkages, the Wii uses a system alost identical to them. Freind codes. They are the biggest step back in terms of on-line in console histoy, I honesly think the dreamcast had a better system in places, the PS2 certainly. Just becuase Ninendo is incapable of making an on-line service does not me we should just shut up about it. Online gaming growth is the biggest thing to happen this generation, just look at games like L4D and RE5 and you will see the shift in focus of many titles, hell even singleplayer focused games like STALKER have a half decent on-line componant.

The on-line has not been developed since the launch of the Wii in any meaningful way, This is made worse by it being practically crippled in the first place, before we strart with anything else at least PSN has shown some Major development and LIVE has continuted to become for slick, feature filled and user freindly, Nintendo has just bot bothered at all, there is no excuse for it being in such an almost unuseable state.

Graphics/ Features

The Wii lacks the graphical capbilities of the other systems, it has show it's self to be on about a par with the original X-Box when it comes to visuals. This last generatoin graphical performace has caused little development in grpahics from the Game Cube and mean most Wii games lack the Scope, Scale and sheer head ****ing immersion of HD games. It also is horrific to look at in many cases, Graphics are eye candy and i after a development like we have seen on the PS3/360/PC of amazing looking titles it;s hard to go back to something that looks like the last generation.

Graphics are not just Eye candy either, people forget that technical prowess leads to;

• Better Pysics for more interactive enviroments/ more adaptive gameplay
• More emines on screen, we learned this the hard way with Dead Rising, the Wii simply lacks the ability to render the large ammont of enimes seen in other games
• More objects on screen; the phyical barrier of how big an envorment can be is painfully clear on the Wii, Scope is almost non exixitant.
• Immersion; Anyone who has played Dead Space, STALKER hell even HL2 will tell you how immisive a well presented world can be, it's one of the thing i look for in a game and on the Wii it nowhere near as effective.
• Cinematic gaming, a buzz word i know but it has added a whole new dimension to games this generation, Mass Effect was a prime example of this cimenatic feel only really possinbe on the higher powered systems. The Wii misses this boat.

The Wii lacks the ability to do many things the 360/PS3 can do like play DVDs, stream movies, see freinds of freinds, propper voive chat, hell everthing live and PSN do outside of playing games without a freaking code!

and we hav't even touched on the Wiimote and the biggest issue; the library.

Ratchet_Fan8

Without even reading the whole thing you missed the point. This isn't about disliking the wii and not seeing its flaws. Its about hating it, wanting it to fail and acting like its destryed the fabric of gaming when it has only let more people enjoy it. I hate to be an ass but all that wasn't necessary.

Here's the thing, its not undeserved. Nintendo went a different route, they threw away alll the things they felt were holding back people from gaming and provided them with a console and software to enjoy. Sony and Microsoft didn't do this. They don't even get credit for trying. Your flaws are part of the point of this thread, the things you see as flaws aren't a flaw to the general public. That's why the console is successful. Its not Nintendo's fault inFamous could only sell like 750k units. Its sony's fault for not understanding what and what isn't important to the buyer.

I don't hate it, I do have a list of problems with it as big as your arm but it's still a console that has brought more pop culture noteriety to modern gaming. Is that a bad thing? Yes in some respects (pop culture is on whole whole made up by those who want to sell it to us at biggest profit with least effort) but at the very lest it has reduced the stigma of gaming even if most of the new audience is transagent and fickle some will stay and move on deeper things either on the same system (LKS that kind of thing) or even better on a real.... i mean other system.

BoloTheGreat

[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

Most members of the vocal press are 18-45 year old males ..... and the mentality is to get excited about these types of games (I'll just use all 360 games for instance , that seems to be the default console to own for the western press over the last few years).-

• GTA IV and expansions
• Call of Duty 4
• Bioshock
• Gears of War 2
• Fallout 3
• Halo 3
• Oblivion
• The Orange Box
• Left 4 Dead
• Fable 2
• Burnout Paradise
• Ninja Gaiden II
• Dead Space
• Resident Evil 5
• Street Fighter IV
• etc

And what do they get excited about on Wii if they have one ?

• Zelda
• Metroid
• Super Mario Galaxy

Most of these guys don't seem to care about games like SBBBand Mario Kart like Nintendo fans do. Every once in awhile they'll take notice of No More Heroes or MadWorld .... but for some reason those games fall flat in comparision to what's on the other platforms in execution or they don't bother with them. They are siding with the big 360 games in HD ,teh achievement points , their xbox live experience , and the touted PS3 exclusives over what's available on the Wii.

I don't blame them for that , but they really should lighten up at this pointwith trashingthe Wii .... there's a lot of good games for the system and they have to realise its probably fineto most of the people that own one.

ActicEdge

What you are stating and the reality of the matter is different. This thread isn't about dislike, I really don't have a problem with that. My problem is that there are people (including yourself) who actually enjoyed that garbage? I'm not asking about taste, I'm asking why the hate about the wii has reached the level where everyone inherently hates it, wants it to fail and blatantly exercises fanboyism well talking about it and its accepted. Did you see the comments? Did you see the SW thread. Are you telling me you found that truly worthwhile? That was not a podcast for LOLZ, that was shear iggnorance and they meant every word of it. I don't want them to lighten up on it, I want them to be fair.

[QUOTE="Ratchet_Fan8"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Without even reading the whole thing you missed the point. This isn't about disliking the wii and not seeing its flaws. Its about hating it, wanting it to fail and acting like its destryed the fabric of gaming when it has only let more people enjoy it. I hate to be an ass but all that wasn't necessary.

ActicEdge

Here's the thing, its not undeserved. Nintendo went a different route, they threw away alll the things they felt were holding back people from gaming and provided them with a console and software to enjoy. Sony and Microsoft didn't do this. They don't even get credit for trying. Your flaws are part of the point of this thread, the things you see as flaws aren't a flaw to the general public. That's why the console is successful. Its not Nintendo's fault inFamous could only sell like 750k units. Its sony's fault for not understanding what and what isn't important to the buyer.

Well, I've been wanting to get one for the last month so far. At first before any of the current gen systems came out, I was really anticipating the Wii's motion controls and the more than likely awesome library that was going to be on it. I figured there would be some really awesome exclusive RPGs and that it was going to be a fresh idea. The current gen started and I decided not to buy any consoles.

One of my best friends ended up picking up a Wii based on my hype for that and the PS3. After about a week of playing it I realized how gimmicky and bad the motions controls were for it (before the fix). So I was turned off already, didn't want anything to do with the system, and now that they "fixed" it and made it more precise, I'm looking at the library and there's just nothing I want... until this fall.

I'm now looking forward to, a boy and his blob, metroid the other m, monster hunter 3, muramasa: demon blade, cursed mountain, no more heroes 1 + 2 and maybe even trying out mario galaxy. We'll have to see if my opinion has changed since I've last tried it out.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

It does. They inherently want the thing to fail because there tastes and talents are insulted by the Wii. The Wii proved that you can be successful without third parties, without tech and without cinimatic gaming. Things the industry holds dear. They don't want to be a part of that now and they didn't want to be part of it back then. Hence the poured all resources into other systems and when the wii became the success itis today they had nothing left. They built there userbases elsewhere, they din't establish a brand, that spent millions in tech. They can't throw it all to waste now and bar a big third party game, the wii userbase has been alienated to the point where they truly don't care for smaller titles. Those will sell fine but they won't be the next COD or anything abd that's what these publishers and devs want to make. That is there passion and focus, its admirable and sad at the same time but that's reality.

Yes but at this point they have to make a big move or they will fail. There pregedice is holding them back to some degree. Its why they didn't support the console at launch and why its not being supported now. Its ignorance at its finest. You would think the CEOs would have a clue but a quick look at there financial statements tells me they don't get it and they never will.

Come on, you know better than to argue with most of the SW posters.

I only started with Nintendo and it weren't for them, I wouldn't be gaming right now.

I got tired of graphical progression and constant violent games a while ago. From experience, the excuses I typically here for hating the wii is "it's too kiddy, sony rules". Just speaking from my experience.

The wii is bad for many reasons, theres loads more, but heres some.

For starters, its not a significant improvement over gamecube and is in fact making technology move backwards instead of forwards.

Compare Crysis, LBP, Halo 3 to Paper Mario or Warioware. I feel sorry for the hard work put into
The fact that it costs a lot less to make a game to sell millions and make millions is making Nintendo laugh around.

Even some developers see the wii as a 'novelty' console.
Its a console that has soccer moms and elderly people getting involved, instead of the real gaming audience.

Either way, if your over 20, playing just the wii, hate it so say it, but people need to grow up.
Its like watching nothing but disney movies.

The wii isnt 'winning', its 'cheating' by using outdated hardware and poor games and marketting to make it sell.
I dont think that the way you 'use' your controller as a significant part of the game.

Ones gotta ask, 'whos the most gullible to buy into the wii fad'.. kids and soccer moms.
However, japan is not buying into the wii now and the rest will follow.

Having a ps3 and 360 along with your HD LED Flatscreen tv, surround sound speakers and subwoofer, I have to say is very satisfying!

g0ddyX

My thoughts exactly. I feel as if people over 20 who own the Wii and think it's the best console, really need to expand and broaden their horizons, or grow up. As for me, I don't hate the Wii, I just find it boring and none of its games appealed to me, I'd love to sell my Wii but so far no one wants to buy it. Maybe on Christmas break, there'll probably be some buyers.

Admittedly, the Wii's 2010 lineup looks good, but it will have many average or bad years. For some reason, I really dislike Nintendo's life-long sheep fans who think Nintendo always delivers

They don't really hate the Wii , nobody does. It's just an object , it's not serious business.

Nike_Air

Here's the thing, its not undeserved. Nintendo went a different route, they threw away alll the things they felt were holding back people from gaming and provided them with a console and software to enjoy. Sony and Microsoft didn't do this. They don't even get credit for trying. Your flaws are part of the point of this thread, the things you see as flaws aren't a flaw to the general public. That's why the console is successful. Its not Nintendo's fault inFamous could only sell like 750k units. Its sony's fault for not understanding what and what isn't important to the buyer.

ActicEdge

So? Simon Cowell knows what people want it doesn't stop 90% od what he produces being utter **** that people will throw away next month. People get mixed up here. Popular =/= good. Queens of the stone gae sell less records than Bass Hunter, i don't care what the masses of mindless consumers want i care about decent games!! Who gives a **** waht the man on the street thinks, most wii onwes wouldn't know a decent third party game if a beat them to death with it. I once met someone who thought the greatest shooter ever made was Red Steel. That just isn't right.

I don't hate it, I do have a list of problems with it as big as your arm but it's still a console that has brought more pop culture noteriety to modern gaming. Is that a bad thing? Yes in some respects (pop culture is on whole whole made up by those who want to sell it to us at biggest profit with least effort) but at the very lest it has reduced the stigma of gaming even if most of the new audience is transagent and fickle some will stay and move on deeper things either on the same system (LKS that kind of thing) or even better on a real.... i mean other system.

BoloTheGreat

That's nice but the thing is I still think you have missed the point. Nintendo hasn't been evil with the wii. They went a different direction but the way the industry shiftts is out of thier hands. I don't want the non traditional gamers to go buy the games you like man. Let's be honest, that's not what they want to play and it wasn't created for them. Please grasp this simple concept. The software is designed for newer gamers to enjoy, the tradittional software is for everyone. Wanting the library to improve is in the hands of the industry, the people no one is blaming.

I do not dislike the Wii. I just want it to have more games like Kingdom hearts, Devil May Cry, and Spider Man 2. I think most people dont like the Wii because their tastes have changed from back in the day. People are growing up and want the kind of variety that PS3/360 has instead of the Wii. If you look at the Wiis library and look at the GCs library, you notice how different it was. The GC had a lot more third party support than the Wii has.

Also the core demographic has gone to the kids, new gamers, and adults. How many 50 year old people do you see playing Halo, GTA, or Gran Turismo? Not too many but you will find a helluva lot playing Wii Sports and Wii fit. I like the idea that more people are into gaming but most people dont want lil kids and ol hags hogging their systems with games like Carnival games and Wii Music.