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[QUOTE="Bgrngod"]Sounds like System Wars needs to be renamed Casey Wegner's System Wars.
I miss the good old days of light moderation and hardly a sticky thread to be found. Instead we get to see every other thread with a lock, and several stickies of Casey's personal opinions. Yay!
CaseyWegner
very few of these are opinion. :|
I don't think so. :(
Fact:
CaseyWagner is a cow.
She stickeys all posts that are positive to the PS3 but not 1 thats positive for the Wii or 360.
Unkind223
How about mentioning PSP and ports. Not that it doesn't have many ports but it is irrelevant to the end result. For instance, a big part of GBA high scoring and selling games were ports,decade old ones at that. Mil-m5^^^.....umm,my question here begs for an answer.
[QUOTE="Jandurin"]There are no myths with that.[QUOTE="DireToad"]Nothing about the handhelds?DireToad
DS > PSP
Games > Media
:lol:
I'm getting 3 AAAs for DS and 1 AAA for the PSP. :| (Using Gamerankings since any individual reviewer is going to have some biases towards a game)
On the other hand, the PSP has 37 AA titles while the DS has 29. Not a huge difference, but still an advantage to the PSP.
As for the "New and original" versus "only ports" arguement...
Out of the top 20 rated games for each platform (I'll try to do all 8.0+ for a own-topic verison of this list)
DS:
Multiplatform (2): Meteos, Puzzle Quest:CotW
Ports: (2) Super Mario 64, (arguably) Animal Crossing: Wild World
Compilations: (0)
"New and original": 3/3 AAAs, 13/17 AAs.
PSP:
Multiplatform: Lumines, Ridge Racer, Tekken: DD, GTA:LCS, Syphon Filter: DM, Burnout Legends, Puzzle Quest: CotW,GTA:VCS, LocoRoco, MLB 06:TS, X-men L2:RotA, Outrun 2006
Port: Not sure, if anyone knows of any please tell me.
"New and Original": 0/1 AAAs, 9/19 AAs.
(Note: Since I plan on doing a longer version of this for another topic, feedback is appreciated, especially suggestions on changes and/or mistakes. One change I'm probably going to make is to make it so if the only other platform is "mobile" then it goes under "New and Original". This would excuse Meteos, Lumines, and LocoRoco from the Multiplatform list.)
[QUOTE="Unkind223"]Fact:
CaseyWagner is a cow.
She stickeys all posts that are positive to the PS3 but not 1 thats positive for the Wii or 360.
bulb_or_parrot
i'm lazy and only shave once a week so i sort of have a beard by the end of the week. 8)
[QUOTE="Unkind223"]Fact:
CaseyWagner is a cow.
She stickeys all posts that are positive to the PS3 but not 1 thats positive for the Wii or 360.
Shadow_op
Fact:
Casey is a guy.
He also isn't a big fan of the PS3, read his posting history.
it's not that i'm not a big fan of the ps3. it's just the hardest one to argue in favor of considering i refuse to count a game as good until it's released.
Facts about the Xbox360.1. Most people argee is has the better online service.
2. Most people agree it has the better line-up now.
3. 360 is cheaper than the PS3
4.360 has faulty hardware.
5. M$ offers a great deal in warranty to cover that faulty hardware Yet, it steal can not manage to win ANY region in sales. Do you still think PS3 will be last now?IbukiNinja
That message is an oxymoron.
The word "Facts" and the phrase "most people" in the same statment.
Also, most people agree the 360 has better online? In this country maybe. However you have neglected to mention the many forign countries, countries like Korea where PC gaming**cough**cough**StarCraft**Cough*CoUGH** is considered sport. You think most ppl there perfer the 360? NOT A CHANCE! In america? Probably not, many would agree, many won't, therefore it is disputed.
Don't assume without factual evidence.
I'd also like to add the myth that the Wii is 'last gen'. Though it's specs may be comparable to that of last generation's systems, it is the home console that Nintendo released after the GameCube. The GameCube is part of the previous generation (the sixth generation) of consoles, along with the Xbox and PlayStation 2, making the Wii part of this generation (the seventh generation) of consoles. Its graphical capabilities are irrelevant to what generation it is are part of.
This might be more helpful.
ps. i think maltesers are much better than skittles. hm, they're all made by the same company so i guess they win in the end.
[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="knufsed"][I said that you had put a lemming slant on your topic, and that you favor the xbox. Am I wrong or sumthing?
Blackbond
It looks like you are. Here, based very generally on which each point promotes and detracts from:
Myth 1: Pro-Hermit (Anti-Lemming)
Myth 2: Universal (Anti-Lemming)
Myth 3: Universal
Myth 4: Pro-Hermit
Myth 5: Universal
Myth 6: Anti-Cow
Myth 7: Pro-Lemming
Myth 8: Pro-Sheep
Myth 9: Pro-Cow
Myth 10: Pro-Sheep
Myth 11: Anti-Sheep
Myth 12: Anti-Cow
Myth 13: Pro-Lemming
Myth 14: Pro-Hermit (Anti-Lemming)
Myth 15: Universal
Myth 16: Pro-Hermit
Myth 17: Pro-Lemming
Myth 18: Pro-Lemming
Myth 19: Anti-Lemming
Myth 20: Pro-Cow
Myth 21: Pro-Sheep
Myth 22: Universal
Myth 23: Pro-Lemming
Myth 24: The red ones are the best
Tally all those up and the points (+1 for a pro, -1 for an anti) go like this:
Hermits: 4
Cows: 1
Lemmings: 1
Sheep: 2
So no, not a Lemming slant, if anything, a Sheep and Hermit slant.
How can there be a slant on facts? Simply put there is no bias in facts.
Oh, I agree, there is no slant in what Casey is writing. I'm just trying to point out how that calling a slant, if there is any, towards Lemmings is ridiculous.
[QUOTE="bulb_or_parrot"][QUOTE="Unkind223"]Fact:
CaseyWagner is a cow.
She stickeys all posts that are positive to the PS3 but not 1 thats positive for the Wii or 360.
CaseyWegner
i'm lazy and only shave once a week so i sort of have a beard by the end of the week. 8)
so... if you're a hermit and you want Casey to side with you, always post on Sunday!
Objection!
Skittles is NOT the best! Mentos is the best!
Also, Coke is better than Pepsi! FACT!
Objection!
Skittles is NOT the best! Mentos is the best!
Also, Coke is better than Pepsi! FACT!
Technoweirdo
Peanut MandM's THE Best!! :D
[QUOTE="Technoweirdo"]Objection!
Skittles is NOT the best! Mentos is the best!
Also, Coke is better than Pepsi! FACT!
AdobeArtist
Peanut MandM's THE Best!! :D
Nice sig:lol:[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"][QUOTE="Technoweirdo"]Objection!
Skittles is NOT the best! Mentos is the best!
Also, Coke is better than Pepsi! FACT!
CJL13
Peanut MandM's THE Best!! :D
You doubt the power of Hershey's?
Actually I should say Hagen Dazs = absolute best. So yes, I be doubtin da powahz of Hershey :P :P
[QUOTE="CJL13"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"][QUOTE="Technoweirdo"]Objection!
Skittles is NOT the best! Mentos is the best!
Also, Coke is better than Pepsi! FACT!
AdobeArtist
Peanut MandM's THE Best!! :D
You doubt the power of Hershey's?
Actually I should say Hagen Dazs = absolute best. So yes, I be doubtin da powahz of Hershey :P :P
How about you add one something like this
26. Halo 3 will not sell systems because most Halo fans already own a 360 - No, this is not true....there are a lot of halo fans that own a 360. but most do not. In fact...most gamers havent adopted the next generation yet. Next Gen consoles are still expensive and most people are not willing to spend that much money on a new system until they think it is nesissary. Halo 3 will be that nessisary for Halo fans just like MGS, FF, Mario, or any other system seller would be to its respective console. Why this is said about Halo and not the other franchises i dont know...
(It would probably not go in factown cause it isnt provable, but its still true)
How about you add one something like this
26. Halo 3 will not sell systems because most Halo fans already own a 360 - No, this is not true....there are a lot of halo fans that own a 360. but most do not. In fact...most gamers havent adopted the next generation yet. Next Gen consoles are still expensive and most people are not willing to spend that much money on a new system until they think it is nesissary. Halo 3 will be that nessisary for Halo fans just like MGS, FF, Mario, or any other system seller would be to its respective console. Why this is said about Halo and not the other franchises i dont know...
(It would probably not go in factown cause it isnt provable, but its still true)
ApocalypseXIVV
i tried as much as possibleto avoid things based on what could happen in the future.
[QUOTE="thew13"]YOu said the media was not business, not me. I am saying academics (no matter what you are studying) is not the same as real world business experience, so if you are in college for business you aren't in the business world yet.
subrosian
First off all you totally went off topic and didn't even address my real issue, instead subverting the whole thing by bringing up your experience and academic in the business world - which still has nothing to directly do with my argument. But first, a (bachelor's) degree only means to a company that you are able to learn: you will always learn a company's way of doing things and it will never be even close to the what you did in your simulated and'real' businesses you did for your degree. I am in IT and we did plenty of 'real world' things in school, but they can never simulate the multitude of different ways different companies do things or the issues that arise in everyday business.
Anyway - my point still is so called 'console-exclusive' (although not acceptable in here) does effect the bottom lines of the companies that are in the console business. You are usingthe term 'exclusive', which I have never argued the meaning of, and replaced the term I was using(console-exclusive) because it is the only way to help your argument. I am talking about the effects on dollars and cents and you are ranswering with dictionary meanings.
Anyway - my point still is so called 'console-exclusive' (although not acceptable in here) does effect the bottom lines of the companies that are in the console business. You are usingthe term 'exclusive', which I have never argued the meaning of, and replaced the term I was using(console-exclusive) because it is the only way to help your argument. I am talking about the effects on dollars and cents and you are ranswering with dictionary meanings.
thew13
it does affect it. i'm not the only one not buying a 360 because of it's shared games.:|
[QUOTE="thew13"]Anyway - my point still is so called 'console-exclusive' (although not acceptable in here) does effect the bottom lines of the companies that are in the console business. You are usingthe term 'exclusive', which I have never argued the meaning of, and replaced the term I was using(console-exclusive) because it is the only way to help your argument. I am talking about the effects on dollars and cents and you are ranswering with dictionary meanings.
CaseyWegner
it does affect it. i'm not the only one not buying a 360 because of it's shared games.:|
But how much? Also is the reverse true? - does the 360 effect PC gaming sales? Also the casual gamer sees a game says I can play that on 360 but not on the PS3 or Wii, the PC doesn't even enter their mind. You, Iand other people onhere aren't the mormal casual gamer.
[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="thew13"]Anyway - my point still is so called 'console-exclusive' (although not acceptable in here) does effect the bottom lines of the companies that are in the console business. You are usingthe term 'exclusive', which I have never argued the meaning of, and replaced the term I was using(console-exclusive) because it is the only way to help your argument. I am talking about the effects on dollars and cents and you are ranswering with dictionary meanings.
thew13
it does affect it. i'm not the only one not buying a 360 because of it's shared games.:|
But how much? Also is the reverse true? - does the 360 effect PC gaming sales? Also the casual gamer sees a game says I can play that on 360 but not on the PS3 or Wii, the PC doesn't even enter their mind. You, Iand other people onhere aren't the mormal casual gamer.
doesn't matter. doesn't matter doesn't matter. none of that changes the fact that having them on both the pc and the 360 creates competition and the sales of one does affect the sales of the other.
[QUOTE="thew13"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="thew13"]Anyway - my point still is so called 'console-exclusive' (although not acceptable in here) does effect the bottom lines of the companies that are in the console business. You are usingthe term 'exclusive', which I have never argued the meaning of, and replaced the term I was using(console-exclusive) because it is the only way to help your argument. I am talking about the effects on dollars and cents and you are ranswering with dictionary meanings.
CaseyWegner
it does affect it. i'm not the only one not buying a 360 because of it's shared games.:|
But how much? Also is the reverse true? - does the 360 effect PC gaming sales? Also the casual gamer sees a game says I can play that on 360 but not on the PS3 or Wii, the PC doesn't even enter their mind. You, Iand other people onhere aren't the mormal casual gamer.
doesn't matter. doesn't matter doesn't matter. none of that changes the fact that having them on both the pc and the 360 creates competition and the sales of one does affect the sales of the other.
Does matter, does matter does matter! Only doesn't matter here in SW.Once again how much does it effect it? Shoprite soda effect the sales of Coke - butCoke doesn't worry about store brands -only worry about Pepsi(or other name brand soda).
And don't respond with Store brand isn't PC - it is the sales effect not a direct correlation
Does matter, does matter does matter! Only doesn't matter here in SW.Once again how much does it effect it? Shoprite soda effect the sales of Coke - butCoke doesn't worry about store brands -only worry about Pepsi(or other name brand soda).
And don't respond with Store brand isn't PC - it is the sales effect not a direct correlation
thew13
thank you.
[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="thew13"]YOu said the media was not business, not me. I am saying academics (no matter what you are studying) is not the same as real world business experience, so if you are in college for business you aren't in the business world yet.
thew13
First off all you totally went off topic and didn't even address my real issue, instead subverting the whole thing by bringing up your experience and academic in the business world - which still has nothing to directly do with my argument. But first, a (bachelor's) degree only means to a company that you are able to learn: you will always learn a company's way of doing things and it will never be even close to the what you did in your simulated and'real' businesses you did for your degree. I am in IT and we did plenty of 'real world' things in school, but they can never simulate the multitude of different ways different companies do things or the issues that arise in everyday business.
Anyway - my point still is so called 'console-exclusive' (although not acceptable in here) does effect the bottom lines of the companies that are in the console business. You are usingthe term 'exclusive', which I have never argued the meaning of, and replaced the term I was using(console-exclusive) because it is the only way to help your argument. I am talking about the effects on dollars and cents and you are ranswering with dictionary meanings.
[QUOTE="thew13"]Does matter, does matter does matter! Only doesn't matter here in SW.Once again how much does it effect it?Shoprite soda effect the sales of Coke - butCoke doesn't worry about store brands -only worry about Pepsi(or other name brand soda).
And don't respond with Store brand isn't PC - it is the sales effect not a direct correlation
CaseyWegner
thank you.
Comprehision issue? HOW MUCH is the question?
Even a better example, more closely tied to this issue. How much competion do SmartPhones give to MP3 players. They can play MP3s to teh same quality as pure MP3 players and do so much more, a little more expensive but hey it can do everything.
It has so much effect that the leading MP3 player just put out it's own smartphone. Why? to compete against it's own MP3 players? NO to get into another market that effect to a small extent MP3 player sales, but so little that it is considered a totally seperate market.
System Wars and the Real/Business world are two totally seperate things that aren't even close.
[QUOTE="thew13"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="thew13"]YOu said the media was not business, not me. I am saying academics (no matter what you are studying) is not the same as real world business experience, so if you are in college for business you aren't in the business world yet.
subrosian
First off all you totally went off topic and didn't even address my real issue, instead subverting the whole thing by bringing up your experience and academic in the business world - which still has nothing to directly do with my argument. But first, a (bachelor's) degree only means to a company that you are able to learn: you will always learn a company's way of doing things and it will never be even close to the what you did in your simulated and'real' businesses you did for your degree. I am in IT and we did plenty of 'real world' things in school, but they can never simulate the multitude of different ways different companies do things or the issues that arise in everyday business.
Anyway - my point still is so called 'console-exclusive' (although not acceptable in here) does effect the bottom lines of the companies that are in the console business. You are usingthe term 'exclusive', which I have never argued the meaning of, and replaced the term I was using(console-exclusive) because it is the only way to help your argument. I am talking about the effects on dollars and cents and you are ranswering with dictionary meanings.
Thank you you fianlly see my point. That is all I was saying.
Edit:
And Coke is spending all that advertisement to combat Pepsi and other brand name Soda makers. People know what coke is, if they want to save money they buy store brand or generic. If the want a full priced Soda they will but one, but that's were the choice comes in.
[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="thew13"]Does matter, does matter does matter! Only doesn't matter here in SW.Once again how much does it effect it?Shoprite soda effect the sales of Coke - butCoke doesn't worry about store brands -only worry about Pepsi(or other name brand soda).
And don't respond with Store brand isn't PC - it is the sales effect not a direct correlation
thew13
thank you.
Comprehision issue? HOW MUCH is the question?
i'm not arguing how much.
[QUOTE="thew13"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="thew13"]Does matter, does matter does matter! Only doesn't matter here in SW.Once again how much does it effect it?Shoprite soda effect the sales of Coke - butCoke doesn't worry about store brands -only worry about Pepsi(or other name brand soda).
And don't respond with Store brand isn't PC - it is the sales effect not a direct correlation
CaseyWegner
thank you.
Comprehision issue? HOW MUCH is the question?
i'm not arguing how much.
Then why are you even responding to me - because that is the whole basis of my argument. I have said PC does not effect console gaming to a large extent(how much?). I never said it doesn't effect it at all.
[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="thew13"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="thew13"]Does matter, does matter does matter! Only doesn't matter here in SW.Once again how much does it effect it?Shoprite soda effect the sales of Coke - butCoke doesn't worry about store brands -only worry about Pepsi(or other name brand soda).
And don't respond with Store brand isn't PC - it is the sales effect not a direct correlation
thew13
thank you.
Comprehision issue? HOW MUCH is the question?
i'm not arguing how much.
Then why are you even responding to me - because that is the whole basis of my argument. I have said PC does not effect console gaming to a large extent(how much?). I never said it doesn't effect it at all.
then why were you arguing with me? i never said there was a large extentand all i've ever said is that the competition is there.
Thank you you fianlly see my point. That is all I was saying.
Edit:
And Coke is spending all that advertisement to combat Pepsi and other brand name Soda makers. People know what coke is, if they want to save money they buy store brand or generic. If the want a full priced Soda they will but one, but that's were the choice comes in.
thew13
[QUOTE="thew13"]Thank you you fianlly see my point. That is all I was saying.
Edit:
And Coke is spending all that advertisement to combat Pepsi and other brand name Soda makers. People know what coke is, if they want to save money they buy store brand or generic. If the want a full priced Soda they will but one, but that's were the choice comes in.
subrosian
Using drug manufactures doesn't equate. Tylenol spent lots of money on R&D for acetaminophen(generic name). No other drug manufacture makes acetaminophen in a brand name - all generics. They do compete against Bayer(aspirin) and Motrin(Ibuprofen) in the general pain-killer market and do direct advertisement against them
Generic acetaminophen is exactly the same as Tylenol so of course it effects them. Generic acetaminophen eats into Tylenol market share alot more than generic sodas do against Coke. Generic and store brand sodas have different tastes and for,mulas then Coke, so it the argument doesn't fly.
Look at Viagra,Cialis and Levitra. The have no generic competion at the moment so they advertise against each other. Why if advertising is because of the brand name? When generic products come out(Viagra may have one already not sure), they will contimue to pay advertisement money to 'fend off' the brand name competitiors not the generic of theoir product(or not a very large amount if they do)
Anyway, it seems you agree on my general point, that in SW console-exclusive means nothing but to MS, Sony and Nintendoi it means alot(at least something)
[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="thew13"]Thank you you fianlly see my point. That is all I was saying.
Edit:
And Coke is spending all that advertisement to combat Pepsi and other brand name Soda makers. People know what coke is, if they want to save money they buy store brand or generic. If the want a full priced Soda they will but one, but that's were the choice comes in.
thew13
Using drug manufactures doesn't equate. Tylenol spent lots of money on R&D for acetaminophen(generic name). No other drug manufacture makes acetaminophen in a brand name - all generics. They do compete against Bayer(aspirin) and Motrin(Ibuprofen) in the general pain-killer market and do direct advertisement against them
Generic acetaminophen is exactly the same as Tylenol so of course it effects them. Generic acetaminophen eats into Tylenol market share alot more than generic sodas do against Coke. Generic and store brand sodas have different tastes and for,mulas then Coke, so it the argument doesn't fly.
Look at Viagra,Cialis and Levitra. The have no generic competion at the moment so they advertise against each other. Why if advertising is because of the brand name? When generic products come out(Viagra may have one already not sure), they will contimue to pay advertisement money to 'fend off' the brand name competitiors not the generic of theoir product(or not a very large amount if they do)
Anyway, it seems you agree on my general point, that in SW console-exclusive means nothing but to MS, Sony and Nintendoi it means alot(at least something)
[QUOTE="thew13"][QUOTE="subrosian"][
No, actually Coke is spending all that money to differntiate themselves from generic products. That is the point of *branding*. The entire purpose of developing a brand name is to be able to charge more for your product than a brandless company would. Coca-Cola creates a certain image for the drink - they show people singing, celebrities drinking it, dudes at parties full of sexy girls sharing Cokes - and they make it seem like something more than a generic brand.
In short - the *entire* purpose of branding is to let them charge you that extra $0.25 or whatever over the store brand. They're not doing it just to fight other "brand name" soda - they're doing it so they can charge you more for a product. Tylenol is in competition with generic headache pills - that's why they're doing their whole "trust tylenol" ad campaign right now, where they show you all the people who work at the company promising to make a safe, effective product. They want, in your mind, when you go the store - that extra $2.00 for the Tylenol to seem justified, because you haven't been introduced to the people who make the generic medicine.
Branding is about creating the *perception* of quality.
However, yes, this is system wars - not console wars. The term "console-exclusive" is meaningless here, especially in the kind of debates it gets pulled into. A game on any system sells that system by improving its library, and if it is a choice between one console or another, then one console having that game over the other can help - but we cannot *remove* PC from the equation, and putting qualifiers in front of exclusive makes it meaningless.
I could say "HD-exclusive" for games on the 360 that are also on the Wii... but that wouldn't mean much, and in the end the fact that a game exists on multiple platforms will inevitably affect the sales of that platform, because the choice can (and does) come down to two platforms (like PC vs 360) where being the "console exclusive" doesn't mean anything.
subrosian
Using drug manufactures doesn't equate. Tylenol spent lots of money on R&D for acetaminophen(generic name). No other drug manufacture makes acetaminophen in a brand name - all generics. They do compete against Bayer(aspirin) and Motrin(Ibuprofen) in the general pain-killer market and do direct advertisement against them
Generic acetaminophen is exactly the same as Tylenol so of course it effects them. Generic acetaminophen eats into Tylenol market share alot more than generic sodas do against Coke. Generic and store brand sodas have different tastes and for,mulas then Coke, so it the argument doesn't fly.
Look at Viagra,Cialis and Levitra. The have no generic competion at the moment so they advertise against each other. Why if advertising is because of the brand name? When generic products come out(Viagra may have one already not sure), they will contimue to pay advertisement money to 'fend off' the brand name competitiors not the generic of theoir product(or not a very large amount if they do)
Anyway, it seems you agree on my general point, that in SW console-exclusive means nothing but to MS, Sony and Nintendoi it means alot(at least something)
To an extent yes, but there main worry is Pepsi, the generics are secondary, especially at this point and time.
Also how does this fit into the video game market. Are you comparing the PC to generic and store brand soda - that argument doesn't fly either. So once again you are subverting the actual argument with non-relevant analogies.
The point is and has always been, that although the term 'console-exlcusive' is frowned upon and in your words being phased out of SW, it does exist for the marketing(the ones who do the advertising) departments of MS, Sony and Nintendo and to them and the average consumer it carries quite a large weight.
This is the most intresting thing I have ever read 10.0! I wish i could sign my name in red ink WOOOOOOOOOOO!:P
This is the most intresting thing I have ever read 10.0! I wish i could sign my name in red ink WOOOOOOOOOOO!:P
ghoffbad83
:| You can, cut the tip of your finger and write Casey over your chest, procees to take pics or it didn't happen.
[QUOTE="ghoffbad83"]This is the most intresting thing I have ever read 10.0! I wish i could sign my name in red ink WOOOOOOOOOOO!:P
Hoobinator
:| You can, cut the tip of your finger and write Casey over your chest, procees to take pics or it didn't happen.
He said red ink, not blood.[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="ghoffbad83"]This is the most intresting thing I have ever read 10.0! I wish i could sign my name in red ink WOOOOOOOOOOO!:P
slothboyadvance
:| You can, cut the tip of your finger and write Casey over your chest, procees to take pics or it didn't happen.
He said red ink, not blood.I know.
*begins slow clap building to full applause*[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]21. Nintendo is ruining gaming -no. the onlyplace it's ruining gaming is system wars. the last generation had the sales leader also being the clear games leader. this isn't the case for this generation. the 360 will soon be overtaken in the sales department by the wii even though it's lacking in games...here. things aren't as popular as they are for as long as they are for no reason. although nintendo's approach to gaming doesn't mesh well with the traditional system wars historical view on gaming, outside of system wars its approach is very appealing. people obviously want the kinds of games and gameplay that nintendo is offering. if you personally don't like it, you're rapidly approaching a minority spot amongst gamers. nintendo has never been known to conform.want to say that the wii mainly appeals to casuals? where would this industry be without casuals? it would most likely be worse off.still want to say that nintendo is ruining gaming? what's so bad about changing the way games are played? it's not all minigames.what do you see your console of choice doing in the future? is it going to "sell out", as you'd probably put it, to appeal to the casuals and leave you behind? if the companies that you support would do that to you, then gaming for you is already ruined...you just don't know it yet.Hoffgod
Well put. Hopefully the plague of those topics will end now.
LIES AND DECEIT! Skittles are juicy like Starburst but infinately more substantial, creating a more satisfying candy experience by far! You know not of what you say sir!I agree with everything but #24. Starbursts are the best.
blizzvalve
Yeah I agree the whole Wii ruining gaming is the most annoying for me, at least Nintendo are trying something new.
Also people don't realise Nintendo had to go this way to survive in the home console market, so yeah now Nintendo might not be for everyone but thats ok.
Actually I was thinking about it and I think technology is ruining gaming to a degree. While its nice to have stunning looking games, generally games have become shorter and are concentrating on graphics too much, I remember last gen and so on when developers actually made proper games, nice long and decent looking, not just decent looking, although the new CPU's are really good this time for physics and ai which is more important, but I have yet to see any developers putting that much effort into ai.
I think Casey broke the 5 qoute chain rule on first page (depending if you opted for max posts on one page), teh disruptive postingz tut tut... jokes :D
I think Casey broke the 5 chain rule on first page, teh disruptive postingz tut tut... jokes :D
Darth_DuMas
it's okay to have five quotes. more than five is what's not allowed.
[QUOTE="Darth_DuMas"]I think Casey broke the 5 chain rule on first page, teh disruptive postingz tut tut... jokes :D
CaseyWegner
it's okay to have five quotes. more than five is what's not allowed.
You were number 6, when I did that I got modded.
[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="Darth_DuMas"]I think Casey broke the 5 chain rule on first page, teh disruptive postingz tut tut... jokes :D
Darth_DuMas
it's okay to have five quotes. more than five is what's not allowed.
You were number 6, when I did that I got modded.
no. yours had six quotes in the chain. mine had five.
[QUOTE="Darth_DuMas"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="Darth_DuMas"]I think Casey broke the 5 chain rule on first page, teh disruptive postingz tut tut... jokes :D
CaseyWegner
it's okay to have five quotes. more than five is what's not allowed.
You were number 6, when I did that I got modded.
no. yours had six quotes in the chain. mine had five.
Ok I yield.
Nice list, but I fear it won't change much here on system wars.
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